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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Diaspora => Topic started by: FreespacePilot2010 on December 21, 2010, 09:43:43 pm
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This is interesting. Some concept art for B and C has been posted up on Blastr. The Cylon robot snake reminds me of a mechanical version of the worms from Dune. And the new Cylon model looks somewhat like a missing link between the old Centurions and the modern ones. I just hope they still have the old Centurions and this isnt another redesign of the Cylons.
http://blastr.com/2010/12/-concept-art-from-battles1s.php
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I'm not feeling this art at all. It's like they're saying, "Hey, let's reboot the reboot!" That "Cython" is just hokey, and the fourth image, which I imagine is some version of a Centurion, looks nothing like the Centurions we already saw in Razor (which has scenes that would chronologically take place after B&C). The only thing I'm liking is the retro Raptor; the design seems sort of '50s to me, which I actually like, especially because it's not a huge leap from the "modern" Raptor.
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Yeah I'm not feeling any of that. It's like they've asked some guy who's never seen the show to do concept art. I'll have to put a little bit of faith in the *actual* 3d designers to make it not suck.
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Yeah the Cython is bit of an over kill. And I pray that they keep the old centurions from Razor. Mabey that one will be a worker model and not a centurion?
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I dunno, the Centurions from Razor were basically the ones from TOS but 3D, not to mention they're seriously ass ugly, I think I prefer that fourth image to them. :nervous:
EDIT: And is it just me or does that second image look sorta like an Asari from Mass Effect but robotic?
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I'm not feeling it. I personally would prefer serious military take on it, RDM BSG was at its best when it was a carrier in space. Colonials with Leopard/Challenger 2 esq MBTs and LAVs vs a similar conventional Cylon Forces in broken urban/industrial landscapes would be what I'd like to see, not Cylon Shai-Hulud.
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I dunno, the Centurions from Razor were basically the ones from TOS but 3D, not to mention they're seriously ass ugly, I think I prefer that fourth image to them. :nervous:
EDIT: And is it just me or does that second image look sorta like an Asari from Mass Effect but robotic?
Those Centurions are canon, like them or not - regardless of their TOS originis, they are the original Centurions as established in "Caprica" and seen in "Razor" and "Daybreak". They're even in the painting in Adama's quarters on the Galactica. The new design in that fourth photo could be for some other function, as speculated already, or could be a second generation Centurion, with the tall models we saw in the majority of the new BSG being a third or later generation. As long as B&C doesn't use that design as the predominant Centurion model of the war, then continuity might not be harmed.
The Raptor image is interesting - to the BSG modern Raptors as the Viper MkII is to the MkVII. It looks a lot like it's flying through a Battlestar flight pod, the shape of which resembles more the Mercury Class' than the older ships, but being mere concept art, I suppose that's incidental and not necessarily a plot line either.
Like StarSlayer, I'd be keen to see some planetary warfare, not just the fleets and fighter slugging it out in space - we know there were land battles, so I hope to see some.
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Well, those are only concepts, which for every production are made and usually are... well... interresting.
Having BSG/ Razor already show FCW Centurions and Ships, which we all are thankfull for, i doubt that someone would be so stupid to implement Cylon snake-worms and Centurion-Skinjob hybrids with boobs.
That being said, i hope they not attempting to "awesome-ify" the BSG universe, 'cause that never ever worked out.
See Star Wars, see Star Trek and every other universe.
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I hope they retcon the original Centurions and Raiders out completely and go with new designs. I like the killer gynoid in that concept art, as well as the centurion design.
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I hope they retcon the original Centurions and Raiders out completely and go with new designs. I like the killer gynoid in that concept art, as well as the centurion design.
well, that Centurion concept, might work as work drone. You know, that sort of thing that was produced as prototype for a non-combat type. And then the war started and it was scrapped, and we see only the canon centurions. <--the bad ass ones.
The Centurion-Skonjob hybrid contradicts BSG canon.
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I hope they retcon the original Centurions and Raiders out completely and go with new designs. I like the killer gynoid in that concept art, as well as the centurion design.
Definitely agreed.
And then the war started and it was scrapped, and we see only the canon centurions. <--the bad ass ones.
They're not really all that badass, they look like they were hastily-made, cheap costumes
Or are you talking about the re-imagined ones?
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I hope they retcon the original Centurions and Raiders out completely and go with new designs. I like the killer gynoid in that concept art, as well as the centurion design.
:blah:
With some tweaks to the design to make it more robust/machine like and especially a T-600 esq blackened worn carapace look the traditional Centurion could look pretty badass. I think they should stay the hell away from humanoid Cylons since it completely screws main series plot. I'd much prefer a more ground war centric show looking at the psychology of fighting an attrition war against an ruthless mechanical foe. Especially if they could work in some of the social elements raised in World War Z like the "Redeker Plan."
(http://i41.tinypic.com/k3kqz9.jpg)
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I'm not big on the classic centurions, they've always looked kinda goofy to me. We know the Cylons were working on skinjobs even before the 5 arrived, they just never quite got things right - I'm cool with some semiskinjob stuff.
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And then the war started and it was scrapped, and we see only the canon centurions. <--the bad ass ones.
They're not really all that badass, they look like they were hastily-made, cheap costumes
Or are you talking about the re-imagined ones?
the re-imaginated Centurions from BSG.
Yeah, that's the point - they never achieved something, apart from the Hybrids, as seen in Razor. And that was a evolutionary dead end.
Re-imaging the re-imaginated stuff is bad, it contradicts all we've seen in BSG.
Slayer should send them concepts.
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How come there is so much hate for the original tos centurions? They were awesome. And like has just been said they are canon to BSG. But yeah although space battles are great ground battles could be epic in scale. Imagine it. Old school centurions storming a castle like in that painting with swords.
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Yeah, that's the point - they never achieved something, apart from the Hybrids, as seen in Razor. And that was a evolutionary dead end.
Re-imaging the re-imaginated stuff is bad, it contradicts all we've seen in BSG.
Slayer should send them concepts.
That fourth picture of the cylon isn't meant to replace the new, re-imagined cylon, it's to replace the old, ugly, goofy looking TOS Cylon.
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Yeah, that's the point - they never achieved something, apart from the Hybrids, as seen in Razor. And that was a evolutionary dead end.
Re-imaging the re-imaginated stuff is bad, it contradicts all we've seen in BSG.
Slayer should send them concepts.
That fourth picture of the cylon isn't meant to replace the new, re-imagined cylon, it's to replace the old, ugly, goofy looking TOS Cylon.
I'm not talking about the "new" re-imaginated Cylons, i'm talking about the TOS re-imaginated Cylons from Razor.
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They're not re-imagined considering they look exactly the same as the TOS Cylons, same as the old Hades-class battlestar and the old flying wing cylon raider.
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You kids have no appreciation for classic sci fi :) Personally I want to see the razor style classic centurions in there, as well as the razor style flying wing raiders (which looked a lot better than the original 70's design). Doesn't mean there's no room for new designs - as long as it's not a damn mechanical anaconda, that'd be just silly.
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They're not re-imagined considering they look exactly the same as the TOS Cylons, same as the old Hades-class battlestar and the old flying wing cylon raider.
No, they don't look exactly the same. I don't mind new stuff, as long it predates the stuff we've seen in Razor ( remember it was the end of the War!)
and doesn't introduce ridiculous designs.
This is the only acceptable Cylon evolution:
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/evolutioncylon-final.jpg)
:P
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This is the only acceptable Cylon evolution:
Agreed.
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They're not re-imagined considering they look exactly the same as the TOS Cylons, same as the old Hades-class battlestar and the old flying wing cylon raider.
No, they don't look exactly the same. I don't mind new stuff, as long it predates the stuff we've seen in Razor ( remember it was the end of the War!)
and doesn't introduce ridiculous designs.
(http://darthmojo.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/razor_centurion.jpg?w=375&h=500)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:reMCMJH_D-cwyM:https://byyourcommand.net/photogallery/albums/Vulpa/BSG_classic_Gold_Cylon.sized.jpg&t=1)
yes they do, or at least, very closely.
the only design I really liked that much from Razor was the Guardian baseship
EDIT: This pic is a whole lot better
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IYihBiTh-cM/TNaUqLDCHzI/AAAAAAAADNU/8oIJuUlofZQ/s1600/cylon_compare.jpg)
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Hades, each "old" design in BSG was reimagined. They looked similar in essence but they were more of a homage to the old designs then a direct copy - if you started to take a close look at the details, you'd see they're not as similar as you think. You can see it clearly even on the pictures you linked, on the centurions; yes they're similar but definitely not identical. The old raider that appeared in razor looks significantly better than the old designs. Mark 1 shuttle has subtler differences but overall it was somewhat sleeker, and had subtle greeble differences. The only ship I'm not sure about is the tos baseship, because we never saw the CGI one in great detail - but I imagine they probably changed some things there as well. There were no direct copies of old designs used, but I do like staying faithful to the old designs in principle while improving them a bit here and there better than just replacing them with brand new stuff.
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Hades, each "old" design in BSG was reimagined. They looked similar in essence but they were more of a homage to the old designs then a direct copy - if you started to take a close look at the details, you'd see they're not as similar as you think. You can see it clearly even on the pictures you linked, on the centurions; yes they're similar but definitely not identical. The old raider that appeared in razor looks significantly better than the old designs. Mark 1 shuttle has subtler differences but overall it was somewhat sleeker, and had subtle greeble differences. The only ship I'm not sure about is the tos baseship, because we never saw the CGI one in great detail - but I imagine they probably changed some things there as well. There were no direct copies of old designs used, but I do like staying faithful to the old designs in principle while improving them a bit here and there better than just replacing them with brand new stuff.
this.
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Yeah, I really didn't like those reimagined designs, they should just ditch them and do something new. They looked very...old.
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Those models are the 005s.The only difference between them and the tos centurions is they look more robotic rather then just being a guy in a suit. Also remember that the prototypes are the U87. So that means in between the U87 and 005 there were 4 other models. That fully rendered 3d cylon model in the concept art is probably one of those missing models.
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I'm not big on the classic centurions, they've always looked kinda goofy to me. We know the Cylons were working on skinjobs even before the 5 arrived, they just never quite got things right - I'm cool with some semiskinjob stuff.
The Colonials got caught with their pants down because the Toasters created exact human replicas and infiltrated their infrastructure, something completely unexpected. If BloodChrome reveals that they were merely a hop skip and a jump away from humanoid Cylons back in 1CW and the Colonials knew it then it makes the Colonies pants on head moronic for allowing it to happen in the lead up to BSG. If infiltration was a Toaster Tactic in 1CW then it breaks BSG's plot for me.
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"The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They look human... sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot" :D
Seriously though I could buy a robot that has synthetic skin over it. But fully organic humanoid cylons shouldn't appear before the events depicted in the bsg mini. The colonials need to be in complete dark about the Cylons going organic before getting nuked or you have a huge inconsistency on your hands.
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That concept art doesn't look like a particularly convincing infiltrator to me.
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Giant Cylon snow snake?
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There are already at least two different kinds of 1cw cylon, the pilot (right) and the soldier (left)
(http://darthmojo.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/centurion_both.jpg)
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That concept art doesn't look like a particularly convincing infiltrator to me.
It's built to look like a woman, and apparently has the remains of a flesh and blood carapace on her right arm...
I think its fair to extrapolate that that chassis probably sported a full epidermal covering.
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I like the TOS Centurions - the way they moved in TOS was their let down, the limitations of actors fumbling around blindly, but such were the technical production difficulties of the day. Their CGI counterparts look very good, and I'd agree the changes were made just to make them look more mechanical and less like "the guy in the suit " the originals were. Having the subtle differences between the pilot and solder (and any other) versions also helps with a touch of realism. I think I prefer the new ones - they're certainly more intimidating with their height, their built-in weapons and claws and the deeper scanner noise. The rendered version on that concept are reminds me too much of the Star Wars medical droid (2-1B or something like that) and doesn't look Cylon - they need to keep the single scanning red light.
As for the semi-hybrid, I agree that while it is clearly meant to be fully flesh covered as Slayer says, I also agree with him and Newman that the concept seems a Terminator rip-off and completely wrecks the new-BSG's recurring and underlying theme of not knowing who your friends and enemies are - it's an allegory of modern terrorism and guerilla warfare as faced in Iraq and Afghanistan, bringing its own sense of paranoia and distrust. If the Cylons already had infiltrators, then the whole new- BSG premise fails to work.
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One way infiltrators would work in "Blood and Chrome" would be if no one lived to tell the tale. Anyone that learned the truth of one of these machines would have to meet their end. Of course such a huge advantage would have to be balanced out somehow so the two sides could reach the armistice.
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Way better and simpler to just not go there.
There are already at least two different kinds of 1cw cylon, the pilot (right) and the soldier (left)
(http://darthmojo.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/centurion_both.jpg)
Please use lvlshot tags instead of img for big images. See this post as an example.
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One way infiltrators would work in "Blood and Chrome" would be if no one lived to tell the tale. Anyone that learned the truth of one of these machines would have to meet their end. Of course such a huge advantage would have to be balanced out somehow so the two sides could reach the armistice.
And it wouldn't be suspicious at all, having all those piles of bodys. :P
Also, what newman said.
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I totally agree, I'd much rather see just robots fighting the first Cylon War. Unfortunately it's cheaper to have an actor on screen rather than CGI and I'd bet the rent they will find a way to do so.
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Say hello again to actors in tin costumes.
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They're not re-imagined considering they look exactly the same as the TOS Cylons, same as the old Hades-class battlestar and the old flying wing cylon raider.
No, they don't look exactly the same. I don't mind new stuff, as long it predates the stuff we've seen in Razor ( remember it was the end of the War!)
and doesn't introduce ridiculous designs.
This is the only acceptable Cylon evolution:
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/evolutioncylon-final.jpg)
:P
OMG LOLOLOL never seen thisb4 this utterly is the only truth .. frack when the toaster went rong... i pluged it in and it evovled into this guant cromed toaster O_O! i want a refund LOLOL!
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If they already have the CGI models, wouldn't it be easier, cheaper and better for them to map the models onto live actors with "reference dot" costumes?
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Speaking of TOS Centurions&Cylon fighters, the authors of reimagined BSG used old designs as a tribute towards their predecessors, but that can be considered a lack of originality. In my opinion, it's both. This is one of the main rules of contaminatio.
Let's not argue about this. :)
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I'm sure canon will prevail or they run the risk of losing their dedicated audience.
It is just too obvious to blow it quickly with unlikely changes like those images.
Obviously someone not familiar with maintaining proper theme or else they were told to deviate quite simply for the sake of testing fan loyalty.
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Well, concept art is a phase where you'll see a lot of "wild" ideas. Doesn't really mean that's what the show will look like.
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I want the wild deviation, the 70s Centurions and raiders are so baaaaaad
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You kids have no appreciation for classic sci fi. 70's sci fi was so cheesy it was cool. And doing a modern redesign based on those that works is awesome.
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ITT: massive nostalgic fanboys who would rather have the crappy old designs instead of good, new designs because then 'it wouldn't be the same'
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ITT: massive nostalgic fanboys who would rather have the crappy old designs instead of good, new designs because then 'it wouldn't be the same'
Good point there.
I gonna write a a few suggestions for reimagined FS2 ships, and post them on the FSU board.
All the upgraded meshes look exactly like the 10 year old ships from retail, just with more detail.
That's so yesteryear.
A mix of the Firefly, the Eagles from Space 1999 and Battleship Yamato would make a Badass new Orion class Destroyer.
And a mix of a BSG Raptor and Flipper would make an awesome new Hecate design.
:P
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ITT: massive nostalgic fanboys who would rather have the crappy old designs instead of good, new designs because then 'it wouldn't be the same'
All the upgraded meshes look exactly like the 10 year old ships from retail, just with more detail.
Actually, there's a good few that do, like the current mvp medusa, apollo, ursa, dragon, TAC 1, Chronos,, etc. The list goes on.
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I'm just saying, it's possible to do a modern take on an old design that's both done well and isn't a blatant ripoff. Case in point, the Galactica, or the modernized tos raiders from "razor". You can still see the connection to the original Battlestar Galactica but everything's so much better :P
Now of course they could have gone a completely different route and make the Galactica not have those pods but say a single central landing bay, and made Cylons look like something out of Transformers - the question is, why even call it Battlestar Galactica if you're not going to keep any familiarity with the original one? Just make it your own new franchise then and don't be constrained by anything.
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I thought you all would like this. Especially if you make models for a 1cwar release it would come in handy.
The "MK1 Raider"
(http://www.shipschematics.net/bsg/images/cylon/raider_cylon_mk1.gif)
And the "MKI-B" Raider.
(http://www.shipschematics.net/bsg/images/cylon/raider_cylon_mk1b.jpg)
By the way sorry the pics are so big. Im not sure how to post them smaller.Edited:Thanks newman!
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By the way sorry the pics are so big. Im not sure how to post them smaller.
Instead of using [img] tags, you use [lvlshot].
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The Raptor looks kind of Tonka-Toyish.
Other than that they seem to be pretty decent concepts. I'm assuming the "Cython" is the female android thing? Interesting take on a first gen "skinjob".
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I'm assuming the "Cython" is the female android thing? Interesting take on a first gen "skinjob".
No, it's the huge sandworm-from-Dune-sized robotic snake you somehow missed :P
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Oh, it's the thing he's shooting in #3? That's pretty cool. :) I kind of just glossed over that picture.
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No, it's not cool. Neither is turning BSG into Star Wars prequels.
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well, it is "kinda" cool. It's just not BSG-ish.
I don't mind huge metal robot worms and female robot-human hybrids at all.
In a sci-fi universe that supports stuff like that, e.g. Star Wars, and billions of animes.
Just not in nBSG.
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ITT: massive nostalgic fanboys who would rather have the crappy old designs instead of good, new designs because then 'it wouldn't be the same'
I've only seen the original BSG a handful of times, mainly because it was so crappy IMO, I couldn't stand to watch it. That being said, I still prefer the reimagined old-school Cylons to anything in those concept images. Why? Because it's canon, because it fits the BSG image, and because if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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I liked the old Raiders, that Mk1-B is interesting though.
I did make my own stealth version deviation to mess around with in BtRL.
http://www.kewltoyz.com/GameShots.shtm
But I haven't gotten back to messing with the stuff in a long time.
I prefer canon based models though. My deviation was a bit over the top. =P
The Re-Imagined Centurions I believe are about as good as it should get.
Subtle variations are fine, but they looked damn near perfect to me.
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Am I the only one who noticed the skinjob's similarity to the Zoe skinjob at the end of Caprica? I'm betting it's an evolution of whatever she was or what became of her. Obviously skinjobs like her either never became convincing enough to pass as human, or more likely they never saw major usage to a point at which their existence was common knowledge.
As for the Cython, I look at it this way. It's a war show, most likely taking place way more on the soil (or snow, or whatever) of the Twelve Colonies. We saw no full on ground warfare in BSG aside from skirmishes. It seems that B&C is gonna be more of a war show than BSG was; imagine a show all about war that only has 3 types of enemies. Gotta have some variety in there, right??
Granted, I think it'll be interesting to see how they make cool looking **** that (hopefully) spans the gap between U87's and the RDM Centurions without making the Model 0005's and old school Raiders not look obsolete and out of place.
But let's be honest, it's BSG and we're gonna watch it regardless.
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I want a centurion tank.
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I want a centurion tank.
I designed one way back, MLRS job with a 30mm chain gun for infantry.
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that's some integrated circuitry for you there :pimp:
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I just made a fast vidéo : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmlAAcwxTSY
Really fast using windows movie maker (frak it =D)
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kewl =)