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Title: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Mobius on July 02, 2009, 01:20:46 pm
Hi there... ;)

It's been decided to move NTV to Game-Warden (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/index.php). I'm waiting for a reply to my project hosting request and I really have to say that I have great hopes on this one.

I know this may seem a weird move due to the fact that GW is not as active as HLP, but Game-Warden is a handy site I really want to support by bringing more life to it.

Also, don't forget to check out NTV's profile (http://www.moddb.com/mods/neo-terra-victorious) on ModDB. NTV's website here on HLP is outdated so the mod profile is the only source providing updates regarding the renewed project, such as my choice of making it compatible with Sushi's velocity mod.  :)
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Snail on July 02, 2009, 01:27:41 pm
Maybe now we'll get more cover for Game Warden.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: General Battuta on July 02, 2009, 01:35:11 pm
It's been decided to move NTV to Game-Warden (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/index.php).

Let me translate: you decided, without consulting any of the team members, to move to Game Warden as a result of your personal humiliation on HLP?

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I'm waiting for a reply to my project hosting request and I really have to say that I have great hopes on this one.

You mean the PM you sent out with the paragraph of apology and then eleven paragraphs of demands?

Funny how you continue to act like you're something more than a community member.

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I know this may seem a weird move due to the fact that GW is not as active as HLP, but Game-Warden is a handy site I really want to support by bringing more life to it.

Doesn't seem weird to me. Since your power grabs have been blocked at every turn on HLP you want to find a more permissive environment.

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Also, don't forget to check out NTV's profile (http://www.moddb.com/mods/neo-terra-victorious) on ModDB. NTV's website here on HLP is outdated so the mod profile is the only source providing updates regarding the renewed project, such as my choice of making it compatible with Sushi's velocity mod.  :)[/color]

I thought you made a big deal out of your 'release, then promote' philosophy.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Mobius on July 02, 2009, 01:44:11 pm
Maybe now we'll get more cover for Game Warden.

Of course, that's what I'd like to happen.

Before you ask, the team has been informed about the move. The only team member I haven't heard from is Galemp. Someone might say something like "What? You're moving without informing the project leader?!?" but since he decided to assign the role of leader to me and preferred to assist us as supervisor (I insisted on telling him that he should be more important than me in the hierarchy, though) I thought that informing him would be enough. In any case, I know what I'm doing so GW will be hopefully hosting us. :)


EDIT:

Oh well, looks like Battuta posted before me.

Let me translate: you decided, without consulting any of the team members, to move to Game Warden as a result of your personal humiliation on HLP?

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I'm waiting for a reply to my project hosting request and I really have to say that I have great hopes on this one.

You mean the PM you sent out with the paragraph of apology and then eleven paragraphs of demands?

Funny how you continue to act like you're something more than a community member.

I have been considering GW hosting for a while, so I have to disagree with what you posted there.

About the PM I sent to both the admins and the global moderators: I'm pretty sure I specified that the move is not intended to hurt HLP. It's an act of support towards Game Warden, and that's the only correct interpretation.

Doesn't seem weird to me. Since your power grabs have been blocked at every turn on HLP you want to find a more permissive environment.

Permissive environment? For what? GW is a moderated site, just like HLP.

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Also, don't forget to check out NTV's profile (http://www.moddb.com/mods/neo-terra-victorious) on ModDB. NTV's website here on HLP is outdated so the mod profile is the only source providing updates regarding the renewed project, such as my choice of making it compatible with Sushi's velocity mod.  :)[/color]

I thought you made a big deal out of your 'release, then promote' philosophy.

Let me quote the personal message I sent to you:

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Speaking of NTV, the only real advantage of HLP hosting is getting a lot of attention before the release of a mod or campaign. That advantage doesn't even match my philosophy on modding: "Attention comes after the release". I post screenshots and descriptions of my work on ModDB, only, and I've started doing that at encouraging rates only a few days ago. The results are promising and I intend to carry on.

As I said, I do that only on ModDB. I may start doing it on GW as well if necessary.

Good luck.

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: ShadowGorrath on July 02, 2009, 02:21:42 pm
Moving from HLP to Game-Warden is almost the same as trading an F-22 Raptor for a... Su-24.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: TESLA on July 02, 2009, 02:27:26 pm
Best of luck :)
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Rodo on July 02, 2009, 02:43:10 pm
I think going to GW will not help the site, people just don't talk there anymore and I don't know why it just doesn't attract people.

Your intention is good, but will do nothing to help the site, you will post your updates there and after a couple of hours without response you'll find yourself posting the exact same thing over here in HLP waiting for some feedback/appreciation/encourage/and so on.

Even so, I wish you the best of luck, this project will definitely see the light of life sometime in the future, no mater where is it hosted.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Mobius on July 02, 2009, 02:48:40 pm
I'm well aware of that, and I intend to do something about it.

Also, you need to take into account that Earth Defense will bring a lot of activity to GW. :)
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Snail on July 02, 2009, 03:23:40 pm
Also, you need to take into account that Earth Defense will bring a lot of activity to GW. :)
In theory, that's right. In practice... Meeeh.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: General Battuta on July 02, 2009, 04:59:33 pm
Well, the hosting request just got denied, so I guess this isn't happening.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Snail on July 02, 2009, 05:02:23 pm
Meh. What now?
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: ShadowGorrath on July 02, 2009, 05:18:31 pm
Well, the hosting request just got denied, so I guess this isn't happening.

Oh, yeah, of course it got denied... Do you even have a reason for denying it?
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: General Battuta on July 02, 2009, 05:21:24 pm
I don't have anything to do with it. Kara laid out all the reasons over on GW.

I'm just an HLP mod, I don't know anything about GW.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Flipside on July 02, 2009, 05:29:39 pm
I don't go to GW, but the answer is essentially this:

MatthewPapa runs GamesWarden. MatthewPapa is not around lately, Kara was not given the authority to start handing out MP's FTP space, so until word can be got from MP, Kara can't really presume to be allowed to make space available.

Secondly, I'd very much like to hear from Galemp about this, since he is still listed as head of the Mod, so if something as major as a transfer of an entire project from one Forum to another is to take place, that really strikes me as something that the project head should be taking care of, I know that would certainly help in the decision-making process.

Edit: And if he is no longer the head, then he needs to inform administration himself.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: dragonsniper on July 03, 2009, 09:50:52 am
If NTV is transferred, then is if completely removed from HLP?
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: General Battuta on July 03, 2009, 09:56:26 am
NTV isn't transferred. The hosting request was turned down.

In any case, from what I know, the HLP admins want to hear from Galemp in order to clarify who's actually project lead right now. Mobius claims he's been designated lead (which I believe) but there's some confusion that needs to be sorted out.

Edited the first subject line to avoid that confusion, but you can feel free to change it back if you want, Mobius.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: dragonsniper on July 03, 2009, 10:00:47 am
NTV isn't transferred. The hosting request was turned down.
Ok. I saw the post for it, but if it was accepted, I was only curious to know if it would be moved from HL all together. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Flipside on July 03, 2009, 10:02:32 am
I would suspect that, if it goes, it goes, like Shadows of Lylat, although that was started on Game Warden, but nonetheless, other than announcements it has no physical presence on HLP, same thing would apply to NTV.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: dragonsniper on July 03, 2009, 10:05:36 am
Ok. Thanks for the info. :)
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Mobius on July 03, 2009, 11:55:05 am
I don't go to GW, but the answer is essentially this:

MatthewPapa runs GamesWarden. MatthewPapa is not around lately, Kara was not given the authority to start handing out MP's FTP space, so until word can be got from MP, Kara can't really presume to be allowed to make space available.

Secondly, I'd very much like to hear from Galemp about this, since he is still listed as head of the Mod, so if something as major as a transfer of an entire project from one Forum to another is to take place, that really strikes me as something that the project head should be taking care of, I know that would certainly help in the decision-making process.

Edit: And if he is no longer the head, then he needs to inform administration himself.

Good point here, IMO. :)

To be honest, I did not expect this kind of development - I'm not refering to Karajorma denying my request, but rather to the fact that HLP's administrationship interpreted mine as an unthinkable action: a second in command is not authorized to ask for such a radical change. I simply did not know that the admins were unaware of the change in hierarchies and thought that I proposed the move without asking Galemp first. Had not been for General Battuta, I would have never discovered this misunderstanding.

I can ensure you all that Galemp gave me the privilege of being NTV's leader. As I said before, I wanted him to be the leader but he rather preferred to assign that role to me. He can't be blamed for that, he has many WIPs to work on. I hope to hear from him ASAP so that he can sort things out. He remained in full charge of NTV until he found a "successor", but for obvious reasons he kept his mod powers on this board and effectively giving the impression of being NTV's project leader.

The admins can check the internal boards and verify that, for example, I have been writing the new storyline and creating the new modpack since my promotion: those tasks are usually up to a project leader. The admins can verify that now without hearing from Galemp, the evidence is quite obvious.

Also, unless you haven't noticed it, I realized how disruptive I am so I chose to move away (to some extent). All I need here on HLP is the permission to send PMs and post on both the INF and FSCRP forums. Other than that, I don't intend to bring any more problems and cause disruption. That's why I asked the admins to remove my moderation powers both here and on the FSCRP forum, and that's also why I won't be having moderation powers on the INF forum (Woomeister asked me if I wanted to become INF's second moderator due to my efforts for the project and the fact that SadisticSid is not active... under these circumstances, however, I can all but refuse his proposal).

For the time being, I will come to HLP only for reasons that are strictly related to the progress of the projects I work on. I might send a few PMs here and there (Happy Birthday PMs anyone?  :D), but I surely won't partecipate to public discussions as I did before. I'm serious in saying this.

I'd like, however, to have NTV moved elsewhere and limit my business on HLP to the FSCRP and INF, only. It's the only project I'm in charge of here, so I think I can ask for a move. I don't see why the very same people who want me out of there are also preventing me from moving a single project.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: General Battuta on July 03, 2009, 12:18:29 pm
Well, Mobius, if you can do what you're promising to do here with regards to minimizing disruption, that'd be great. I appreciate your efforts and your consideration in that respect. (I'm saying this without my mod hat on - I don't speak for Kara and Goob and Fury and all of them!)
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: karajorma on July 03, 2009, 12:41:51 pm
Personally I can't see how the situation on GW is likely to be any different. If you can't act mature enough to not cause a problem here, I doubt you'll be able to do it there either.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: ShadowGorrath on July 03, 2009, 12:58:20 pm
Mobius, why don't you try sectorgame, if you want NTV moved so much?
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Goober5000 on July 03, 2009, 01:08:09 pm
I simply did not know that the admins were unaware of the change in hierarchies
The admins can read the internal.  And I was present during the change in leadership.  There's a difference between delegating project responsibilities and abdicating to somebody else.  Unless Galemp makes it explicit that he's resigning (and he hasn't so far), he's still the project leader, even if you handle most of the day-to-day stuff.

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thought that I proposed the move without asking Galemp first
Even if we accept your argument that you are the project leader, it's very poor form to make that sort of decision unilaterally.  You should, at the very least, open an internal thread poll for the project members (including Galemp) to comment on.  You didn't and still haven't.

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That's why I asked the admins to remove my moderation powers both here and on the FSCRP forum
Don't try to rewrite history.  Your moderation powers were removed as a consequence of your being monkeyed, not based on any request of yours.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Snail on July 03, 2009, 01:23:05 pm
It's not a question of whether or not the project leaders want to move it, it's a question of how willing the website administrators are to host you.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Mobius on July 03, 2009, 01:31:23 pm
Personally I can't see how the situation on GW is likely to be any different. If you can't act mature enough to not cause a problem here, I doubt you'll be able to do it there either.

Sorry, but I think you're pretending to know me and guessing how things are going to be like. No offense, but I have this impression.

I acknowledged and expressed my idiocy/disruptiveness on the forums, but (no offense to anyone) I also have to say that many accidents that involved me were caused by wrong interpretations of my own actions. You personally considered this (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,63666.0.html) as an attempt to impose a rule even it wasn't. This thread has been considered as a way to show grudge towards HLP's administrationship even if it's not showing grudge of any sort. I could go ahead and specify other situations in which people did not get what I was up to. Useless to say that no one is responsible for those misunderstandings: they occurred and no one is to be blamed for that. Yet still, attempts to define me as a total disruptor are not going have my approval as a person - I caused problems, but I know for sure that I'm not as bad as someone is pretending me to be. There are things that go well beyond forum hiearchies, like personal respect.

Since there's enough evidence to prove that no one here can read other people's mind, I find it hard to anticipate what the consequences of NTV's move will be like. No offense, but that's what I think.

Mobius, why don't you try sectorgame, if you want NTV moved so much?

I have seriously considered Sectorgame (and the administrators know that perfectly because I specified my intention on the PM), so I'd like to wait for MatthewPapa's opinion on the whole deal before asking Hunter. I might even try to contact Swantz about possible hosting on FSMods (there already are 3 projects hosted there).

In any case, I don't want NTV to remain here on HLP.

The admins can read the internal.  And I was present during the change in leadership.  There's a difference between delegating project responsibilities and abdicating to somebody else.  Unless Galemp makes it explicit that he's resigning (and he hasn't so far), he's still the project leader, even if you handle most of the day-to-day stuff.

No, you weren't present when Galemp expressed his will. The event occurred during a discussion on IM and unless Galemp has given you the log of that convo (which is unlikely, there was no reason to do that) there's no way for you to know what happened back then.

Even if we accept your argument that you are the project leader, it's very poor form to make that sort of decision unilaterally.  You should, at the very least, open a thread poll for the project members (including Galemp) to comment on.  You didn't and still haven't.

I showed my personal intentions via PM, which is IMO a reliable way to manage things. The fact that I haven't posted anything you could read doesn't necessarily mean that I came out with the idea of moving away without informing the others first.

The rest of the team understood my reasons and accepted my proposal. In case of move, Galemp will be invited to come with us as a full member partecipating to the project. I surely don't want to kick him out, and he somewhat has to accept the fact that the rest of the team is moving from HLP.

Don't try to rewrite history.  Your moderation powers were removed as a consequence of your being monkeyed, not based on any request of yours.

Sorry, I did not know that and no one before you informed me about the true reasons behind the removal of my moderation powers.

In any case, I did express my will of having my mod powers removed before noticing that they were gone. This means that the moral validity of my request stands, as I didn't intend to ask for something which was already done at the time of writing.

It's not a question of whether or not the project leaders want to move it, it's a question of how willing the website administrators are to host you.

Giving the content of the replies I got, the discussion is based on supposed invalidity of my request. All team members except one (who hasn't denied the proposal - he hasn't responded yet) approved my proposal so it's only a matter of time before Galemp reckognizes that and expresses his own approval... the team needs to act as a whole, and even if I'm not 100% sure that Galemp will accept I trust him well enough to hope that he'll be on my side.

I hope that the new host will be Game-Warden. Otherwise, I'll try with Sectorgame or FSMods. If things don't proceed as planned, I know a private forum which will work fine to handle development. No matter of the new host, NTV will simply get away from HLP.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Snail on July 03, 2009, 01:34:08 pm
Giving from the comments, the discussion is based on supposed invalidity of my request. All team members except one (who hasn't denied the proposal - he hasn't responded yet) approved my proposal so it's only a matter of time before Galemp reckognizes that and expresses his own approval... the team needs to act as a whole, and even if I'm not 100% sure that Galemp will accept I trust him well enough to hope that he'll be on my side.

I hope that the new host will be Game-Warden. Otherwise, I'll try with Sectorgame or FSMods. If things don't proceed as planned, I know a private forum which will work fine to handle development. No matter of the new host, NTV will simply get away from HLP.
I don't see any reason why they'd doubt the legitimacy of your request. If Galemp didn't authorize or back the move I'm very sure he would have responded by now. It's not like he'd let this go unnoticed if he was against it.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Mobius on July 03, 2009, 01:38:48 pm
Of course.

I don't want to play things by the numbers, but even if he doesn't agree with me he'll be alone in doing that. This shouldn't even be a problem because I don't understand why he wouldn't accept - as I said, I trust him.

It's the progress of the project that counts. Even if NTV will not be "officially" moved, its progress will not continue here. Simple as it sounds.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Snail on July 03, 2009, 01:43:57 pm
Of course.

I don't want to play things by the numbers, but even if he doesn't agree with me he'll be alone in doing that
I guess this is the reason they're refusing your request...
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Mobius on July 03, 2009, 01:45:38 pm
I don't think it's a problem. I wholeheartedly trust Galemp and expect him to be with the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Mobius on July 03, 2009, 04:58:19 pm
Ok, this is not the best way to sort things out.

I have been thinking about the issue for a couple of hours and came to the conclusion that I need to talk with Galemp via IM ASAP. I don't exclude that I may reconsider my opinion on the matter, but there are many things he needs to know about the recent events.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Rodo on July 03, 2009, 05:58:53 pm
Good to see you think like that Mobius, we know you are a crazy folk but we also know that there's got to be someone else on the other side as well to generate a conflict.

Personally I think it would be best if you just forget about everything, take the smart choice (not like Derek) and just leave the issues behind.
FS community is quite small as it is and we don't need this kind of issues around, it will just hurt the project and the community as a hole.

Hope you can work the problems out with whoever is on the other side in the near future  :)

Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Goober5000 on July 06, 2009, 12:24:54 am
So it turns out the reason Galemp hasn't responded on the boards is that he's on vacation.  But he did respond to me via email.  He asked me to quote him on this:
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His role on NTV is as a custodian, until he proves himself a capable project manager and having leadership qualities.

It seems clear that Galemp is in agreement with the rest of the HLP management staff.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: karajorma on July 06, 2009, 02:19:42 am
Sorry, but I think you're pretending to know me and guessing how things are going to be like. No offense, but I have this impression.

Guess what, that's actually my job as admin on GW. In order for me to consider applications for hosted projects on GW I have to look both at the project AND the staff. I don't have the ability to see into the future so I have to judge what your actions on GW will be like based on your actions both there and on HLP. And based on them I see no reason why GW should host a project belonging to such an obvious troublemaker.

Furthermore the fact that instead of sorting out your problems on HLP you've decided to simply drag the entire project away from this board regardless of whether or not it is good for the project makes me dubious as to whether you'll do a good job with the project. You can claim that this is a HLP specific problem all you like but I'm dubious of that too. I don't see any signs that you're acting any differently on GW and given that the reason you got thrown out of the Diaspora forum was due to you insisting on publicly airing your grievances over a GW matter on HLP, I see little reason to believe you won't air your HLP grievances out on GW too. 

Finally, you are massively overcommitted. I don't believe you'd have time for NTV and the last thing GW needs is another moribund project. I probably wouldn't have accepted an application from anyone as busy as you are.

Yes, that's all in my judgement but my job as an admin of GW is to use that judgement and act for the good of the site.

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I acknowledged and expressed my idiocy/disruptiveness on the forums, but (no offense to anyone) I also have to say that many accidents that involved me were caused by wrong interpretations of my own actions. You personally considered this (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,63666.0.html) as an attempt to impose a rule even it wasn't.

Yes it was. This entire problem has been caused by you attempting to order things around when you had no authority to do so. You've made comments about FSCRP moving away from HLP even though that isn't your project, You've made an application to move this project without consulting Galemp, you've insisted repeatedly that everyone follow your particular way of working on the wiki even when others have refused.

And that's before we get to the fact that you were thrown out of the Diaspora forum for telling us when we should have gone public, why we should censor our users when they aren't talking directly about the game and how we should have handled our PR. Not suggesting, telling us we did it wrong and how your way is better, even though it actually showed quite breathtaking ignorance of the project.

So feel free to say that you are being maligned but it's simply not true. No one had this problem with you until recently, you managed to be a fairly reasonable member of the community for years until you decided to get up everyone's nose with a bunch of ridiculous affectations and a failed attempt to place yourself in charge of the entire board.

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Since there's enough evidence to prove that no one here can read other people's mind, I find it hard to anticipate what the consequences of NTV's move will be like. No offense, but that's what I think.

That's the point really. No one can anticipate. So we just have to judge you on your previous actions. These include screwing over your reputation on HLP, getting yourself banned from nearly all the public areas and then attempting to drag not one but two projects away from the board they have been hosted on for several years simply because you don't feel like staying here.

Yeah, I'm sure we can trust you to be a model project lead on GW. I'm sure we can trust you to put your project above your own petty desires.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Spicious on July 06, 2009, 02:33:40 am
This thread delivers. :yes:
The moving to support GW story failing to last even a day was a bit disappointing though.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 06, 2009, 02:39:22 am
"Aww man that hurts."

"It's supposed to hurt, it's an asskicking!"
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 06, 2009, 06:36:43 am
It's the progress of the project that counts. Even if NTV will not be "officially" moved, its progress will not continue here. Simple as it sounds.

Now to actually contribute something to the discussion, such as it is.

Let me get this straight.

You are essentially stating you have conducted a hostile takeover of the project, and if the project leader's wishes otherwise, **** him.

And you are threatening to shut down a project. No bull****, straight up, you are threatening to destroy NTV. Nevermind it's a threat you can't possibly fulfil. Nevermind if you tried you would destroy your standing in this community for all time.

You have just crossed the Rubicon. Burned your bridges. There is no going back. You have declared yourself an enemy of the community.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: ShadowGorrath on July 06, 2009, 06:57:49 am
Everyone, stop speaking b******t and shut up. If you can't help with anything or fix the problem, and just want to bash/flame Mobius then don't post. You're only getting the situation further f***ed up, just cause you want to satisfy your egos.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 06, 2009, 07:13:59 am
Then tell me what he meant by that statement. Tell me what he meant to say "even if it's not officially moved, its progress will not continue here". Tell me why he spoke unilaterally, when he is not capable of consulting Galemp on the subject.

Tell me why I'm wrong.

Or get the hell out of this discussion.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: General Battuta on July 06, 2009, 07:40:06 am
ShadowGorrath, hush.

NGTM-1R, I agree that Mobius did cross a line with this decision, but he's been contrite, reasonable, and productive in personal discussions lately, and I'm hopeful that things can get back to normal. There was a time when he didn't try to stick his fingers into every pie on HLP and I think that time might be able to come again. So let's give him a shot.

In the meantime the admins seem to be handling the pwnage pretty well and GalEmp has made it clear that Mobius is not project leader of NTV and cannot move it away from HLP.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Rodo on July 06, 2009, 09:00:40 am
agreed.. you could all give this thread a rest, I mean there's nothing more to it than emptying your hurt ego's as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: General Battuta on July 06, 2009, 09:03:55 am
agreed.. you could all give this thread a rest, I mean there's nothing more to it than emptying your hurt ego's as far as I can see.

No. There are genuine reasons to be upset here. However, it's time to move on to the healing stage of the process, methinks.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Mobius on July 06, 2009, 11:43:49 am
All I can say is that I need to talk with Galemp directly, because Goober's citation from his e-mail has caught my attention (in a particular way). I don't have to post again what I was aware of.

Other than that, what's the point in turning this into a big deal? Giving the current situation NTV may officially remain here, no doubt about that, but I refuse to make use of the private forum to handle progress. The administrators can't do anything to force me to use the private forum.

It's an act of protest which has absolutely no influence over members like NGTM-1R (who strangely seem to care too much about this deal) and HLP's administrationship. It's an act of protest against all the comments I have been getting in the past few days.

Also, it seems that the last thing people seem to care about is progress. All I want now is to work as I previously did, so please stop saying stuff like me trying to condemn NTV to death even if it's quite obvious that I'm keeping it alive. The last time I worked on the project was only a few hours ago and I intend to do more as long as RL and the other projects I work on will allow me to do it.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: General Battuta on July 06, 2009, 11:57:26 am
Just FYI, Mobius, GalEmp was in contact with Goob and the full email was posted, so we are definitely well informed on the situation.

We'd love it if NTV could keep going but the manner in which that happens is up to GalEmp and he made it clear he wants it to remain on HLP.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious is (not) moving to Game-Warden!
Post by: Mobius on July 06, 2009, 11:58:18 am
Of course. NTV will remain on HLP... it's just that the private forum will not be that crowded...
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Goober5000 on July 06, 2009, 12:27:57 pm
Keeping the project on HLP includes keeping the work within the private forum.  After all, there are other HLP members who need to be kept up to speed (Galemp and BlackWolf to name two).
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Mobius on July 06, 2009, 12:56:05 pm
Any particular reason why Galemp and Black Wolf wouldn't agree on managing progress in a different way?

EDIT: Fixed.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: karajorma on July 06, 2009, 01:08:18 pm
Well it's quite possible that they'll see no reason to bend over backwards to put up with your ridiculous demands. I know that if any member of Diaspora said the same thing to me that you are, I'd tell them to go **** themselves.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Mobius on July 06, 2009, 01:11:00 pm
Ok...
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: karajorma on July 06, 2009, 01:34:23 pm
I'm serious. Since it's highly unlikely that you're going to get hosting on SG or GW you're basically saying that they should sign up to whatever forum you want to use simply because for some reason you don't want to use the perfectly good internal here.

If someone acted like such a prima donna on my team I would tell them to **** off until they could act like an adult. I'd see no good reason why I should have to put up with such blatant disregard for the fundamentals of team work.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Mobius on July 06, 2009, 01:38:04 pm
Check the private forum... :)
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: karajorma on July 06, 2009, 02:39:25 pm
Good. Keep that up. :)
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Mobius on July 07, 2009, 02:01:28 pm
:)

Yet again, I'm sorry for causing stupid problems.

One thing, though: because I want to prevent haters/flamers like NGTM-1R from appearing here and coming out with other debatable theories, I'd like to say that no one here is a liar. The whole accident was based on a small part of a several months old discussion, which is self explanatory.

Either I'm totally awful at remembering or Galemp completely forgot what he said. Not that it matters, of course, because things will proceed as if nothing happened. :nod:


And finally, it'd be a good thing if all NTV members became more active. :p
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Snail on July 07, 2009, 02:02:14 pm
Who is currently still active on NTV?
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Mobius on July 07, 2009, 02:14:52 pm
Me, Droid803 and dragonsniper. Galemp doesn't appear to be active, but he has RL issues and the FSPort to think about

A great :yes: to dragonsniper for his efforts...
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Bob-san on July 07, 2009, 03:06:47 pm
Who is currently still active on NTV?
Sort of, here. Bunch of different things happening. I host the other forum.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Snail on July 07, 2009, 04:35:19 pm
The Sagitta Project one right?
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Bob-san on July 07, 2009, 06:37:52 pm
The Sagitta Project one right?
Yar; not much in the way of storage space (beyond .fs2's) over there but still a simpler and, in a few ways, more secure way to host. Currently hosting a few projects too (mostly "on hold"); The Sagitta Project, Steadfast, Rise of the Phoenix, Inferno's voice acting, FSCRP voice acting, FreeSpam, and now NTV.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: General Battuta on July 07, 2009, 07:35:46 pm
No. Not if Galemp doesn't want it. Which he doesn't.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Bob-san on July 07, 2009, 08:22:05 pm
No. Not if Galemp doesn't want it. Which he doesn't.
What I more mean is those are the sections around.
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 08, 2009, 06:43:29 am
Why does this smell like dead fish?
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: Snail on July 08, 2009, 07:46:28 am
Because you walked in.


Lock?
Title: Re: Neo-Terra Victorious will remain here on HLP!
Post by: General Battuta on July 08, 2009, 07:50:50 am
Oy, there's no call for personal attacks. NGTM-1R's concerns about Mobius' behavior echoed those of the administration and they don't suggest any degree of vendetta on his part.

That said, I agree it's time to move on. Goob or Kara can undo this with further news/clarifications from Galemp, but for now, locked.