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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on October 31, 2001, 06:48:00 am
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I've remade the FS node map in full 3D, peoples. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) The XY positions of the systems were calculated using the standard 2D map, but I then repositioned the systems along the Z axis according to how they are displayed in some of the command breifings. I've even included miniature jumpnode objects at the ends of all the intersystem subspace routes, and 3D labels for all the systems. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
The catch is that it is all in Rhino format. This means that I can't apply things like the jumpnode objects rendering in wireframe only, or that the system spheres render tgeir wireframes along with their surfaces, etc.
Anyways, I think this could really enhance the work of anyone doing command breifings and the like. I'll put it up for download (in Rhino's .3DM format, which 3D Exploration supports) in a few hours.
Enjoy! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/cool.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar (//"http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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people could enjoy it even more if you posted it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Correct!
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Originally posted by venom2506 at 4:52am:
people could enjoy it even more if you posted it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Originally posted by sandwich 4 minutes earlier:
I'll put it up for download (in Rhino's .3DM format, which 3D Exploration supports) in a few hours.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
I'm uploading it now... 1mb RAR. I ain't going to provide a ZIP, since that is 2.2mb... :-/ (I'm on a modem...)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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ARRRGH!! :-/
The place I was uploading it to informed me (after the upload had completed... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif) ) that they only allowed certain file types, among them .ZIP and .RAR. WTH?!? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif)
Ahhh, heck - I'll put it up on GeoCities...
EDIT: AAAGHHH! GeoCities doesn't allow RAR either. Ok, I renamed the file to 3d_nodemap.rar.zip and it seems to accept it. So don't forget to remove the ".ZIP" from the filename before you open it.
Download 3d_nodemap.rar.zip here. ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/fs2/files/3d_nodemap.rar.zip")
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 10-31-2001).]
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I forgot: let me know what you think! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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you have to copy and paste the link into your browser, that link dont werk.. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/fs2/files/3d_nodemap.rar.zip ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/fs2/files/3d_nodemap.rar.zip")
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Good work, Sandwich! I coverted it to .3ds. I don't think I got the "lines" from each system. I probably did something wrong. Well, I'll just try to convert it again.
Pez
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gahhhh!!
my 3d Exploation demo expired!!!
*pounds head on the wall*
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Hmmm... can you do an .ivr render? Seems that that would be much easier on those of us that don't have 3DX, since the plugin is pretty available and it's practically the same thing...
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Someone spent a whole hell of a lot more time on it than I did. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Pez:
Good work, Sandwich! I coverted it to .3ds. I don't think I got the "lines" from each system. I probably did something wrong. Well, I'll just try to convert it again.
I think I can help with that. Rhino can export to a number of different file formats, among them DXF, 3DS, etc. I've found that for making models for import into truespace, DXF woorks best. So here's the dialog box I get when I choose to export to DXF: (NOTE: this image probably won't work, would the powers that be here at HLP fix it? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) (http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/misc_images/rhino_dxf_export.gif)
Anyway, tell me if you need/want any special options set there, and I'll convert and upload it.
Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Hmmm... can you do an .ivr render? Seems that that would be much easier on those of us that don't have 3DX, since the plugin is pretty available and it's practically the same thing...
.IVR? Never heard of it, and besides, what's the point of doing a render of a thing like this? The whole point is that you can have it now in 3D - (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/v.gif) already supplies the 2D version.
Originally posted by Shrike:
Someone spent a whole hell of a lot more time on it than I did. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Probably not. It took me an hour. In Rhino. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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I really wish I could see this 3D nodemap, but I have no idea which application I need to use to open it and view it.
I think I have to call on a good friend of mine here who can help me out...
THORN! HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif)
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FRED Zone's Grammar editor/ FS history moderator
Former member of TCA
Member in good standing of 99th Skulls
Honorary member of TCS and UGC
"I created your civilization...now I will destroy it!"
--Ra, the Sun God
[This message has been edited by Su-tehp (edited 10-31-2001).]
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yeah, could someone post a pic of it btw?
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Originally posted by Su-tehp:
I really wish I could see this 3D nodemap, but I have no idea which application I need to use to open it and view it.
I think I have to call on a good friend of mine here who can help me out...
THORN! HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif)
Well, if you have Rhino, open it in that.
If not, downlaod 3D Exploration ("http://www.us.righthemisphere.com/products/3dexplore/index.htm") and convert it to a format that you can use...
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OY! The link isn't working! WTH???
Both links to the geocities page are down. Is this going to be remedied anytime soon?
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FRED Zone's Grammar editor/ FS history moderator
Former member of TCA
Member in good standing of 99th Skulls
Honorary member of TCS and UGC
"I created your civilization...now I will destroy it!"
--Ra, the Sun God
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Send me a .dxf version and I'll show you why it's better. For now, all I'll say is it's compact, it works as a browser plugin, and that it isn't quite a 3D model, but it isn't exactly a standard render, either. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
[email protected]
[This message has been edited by Stryke 9 (edited 11-01-2001).]
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I've uploaded a DXF version of the nodemap, but the quality isn't as good as the Rhino one (spheres aren't spheres anymore...). Anyways, here's the link ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/fs2/files/nodemap_dxf.rar.zip"), and make sure you remove the .ZIP extension - the file is a RAR file!
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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Originally posted by venom2506:
yeah, could someone post a pic of it btw?
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There's not really anything to post a picture of - it looks like the node map. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
But in 3D. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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RAR. And we're supposed to open that with what, exactly? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
There's a reason .zip files are used- they're standard for most people. I too have a modem and reularly upload packages, and a .zip file that takes 15 minutes to upload is still invariably better than a file that takes 1 minute but that nobody can extract.
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WinRAR ("http://www.rarsoft.com/") - sorry, you're right, I should've posted a link to the proggie. Anyways, I use it 'cause it generally compresses stuff much better than Winzip.
EDIT: Wrong URL...
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 11-01-2001).]
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Oooooh, new goodies! Give it a minute or so and I'll have the .ivr and plugin up... believe me, you'll like.
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Wait a minute- this costs money! Damn capitalists- WHY do you assume I'm willing to support the economy??? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif)
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You can rest assured I'll make a heck of a lot of renders of it once I can get the damn thing of GeoCities... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Setekh (edited 11-05-2001).]
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Aw man, I was thinking it would be a spherical thing or something, not flat... never mind.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Aw man, I was thinking it would be a spherical thing or something, not flat... never mind.
Spherical? Whaddya mean?
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/index.html"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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something not planar... just different nodes scattered about in all 3 coordinates, or arranged in a hollow sphere about a central point... might as well explain it now, an .ivr is an (evidently extremely compact) image file that, when viewed using the program or plugin simulates standing in a fixed point looking around in 360*. Very, very cool looking, and smaller than a DXF.
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Ha har! I have to make my own galaxy (cos I anit resurching real ones and would like to not use FS2 stuff) So Im making a brand new one- My TC requires that you leave all knowlage at the door.
3D muiltplanar maps coming your ways. Someitme.
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Speaking of real galaxies, the Freespace nodemap shows quite clearly that the systems are not arranged according to anything obvious, like distance or direction. I say this because AlphaCen, which in Real Life™ is the closest star system to Sol, is most definetly not the closest in the nodemap.
So perhaps the map represents something more useful, considering it's about subspace nodes: relative subspace travel time from one system to another.
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/index.html"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
something not planar... just different nodes scattered about in all 3 coordinates, or arranged in a hollow sphere about a central point...
Something like this you mean? (quick and dirty screen grab from 3DE)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/shrike/map1.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/shrike/map2.jpg)
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But that's basically what Sandwich's one looks like...
Stryke, I dunno about you, but the 3dm that I got off Sandwich is far from planar... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif)
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Stryke, from what I can understand, you're talking about something along the lines of QuickTimeVR, right? Basically a 360x360 degree image?
EDIT: for all you drooler's, I've uploaded an animated GIF of the nodemap doing a full 360. It's around 930kb. Check it out! ("http://www.brainzipper.com/nodemap.gif") (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/index.html"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 11-10-2001).]
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That thing, I think it's what avenger uses. basically, you have a window, and you can rotate and zoom on a 3D object (why basically? it's EXACTLY that in fact.)
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Originally posted by sandwich:
EDIT: for all you drooler's, Shrike's uploaded an animated GIF of the nodemap doing a full 360. It's around 930kb. Check it out! ("http://www.brainzipper.com/nodemap.gif") (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by sandwich:
EDIT: for all you drooler's, Shrike's uploaded an animated GIF of the nodemap doing a full 360. It's around 930kb. Check it out! ("http://www.brainzipper.com/nodemap.gif") (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
True. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) Everybody together now: "Thank You, Shrike!!" (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/index.html"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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Hmmm... well, the DXF is just a plane, and I can't process 3DMs... and yes, it's basically a 360* image, although in my opinion one of the cooler kinds I've seen...
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how about maybe putting them in their real positions?
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Originally posted by sandwich:
"Thank You, Shrike!!" (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
But that would go against absolutely everything I stand for... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) [j/k]
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Originally posted by Carl:
how about maybe putting them in their real positions?
What do you mean by "real positions"? They are in the correct positions according to one of the command briefings shows in it's nice zoom & turn.
Or do you mean their Real Life™ positions? If so, go to www.solstation.com. ("http://www.solstation.com.") (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/index.html"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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Originally posted by Setekh:
But that would go against absolutely everything I stand for... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) [j/k]
I wuw j00 too. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Er, I mean, you ******* ! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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So wernt the Nodemaps used in the briefs in FS2 modeled first?
Why dont you take the Image of Vasuda Prime (from the begining of an ANI found in a VP) and use it as some sort of planet skin.
Looks around in confusion...or....wouldent...that err work???
Dont hit me!! :P
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I dunno about you all, but I STILL can't figure out how to see that 3d map.
What else do I need besides 3D Exploration? I still can't download that rar file you all were talking about; the links are blank.
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What this 3D nodemap is is an extrapolation of the positions of the (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/v.gif) modeled nodemap from the command briefs.
Su, have you been able to download the nodemap? If so, remove the ".ZIP" at the end, and open it up in WinRAR.
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/index.html"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)