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Archived Boards => The Archive => Blackwater Operations => Topic started by: Ace on October 11, 2005, 07:58:05 pm
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(http://www.savant-online.net/graphics/bwo/nodemap_bwo.png)
By Raa and Ace.
This chart is in full 3d and is also used in BWO command briefings. (albeit with more effects to match with the FS2 look)
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looks nice, but one question should there be a jump from (ahhhh.....) Tania Australis or Tegmen to Sirius??? since this campaign takes place after derelict...correct?
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Many things are transient. But many more are hidden.
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ah i see!!!
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Very nice. I see that Twilight is referenced with the connection between Ikeya and Gehenna, and I notice a new system on the map, Cygnus X-1.
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Any particular reason that the text is of different sizes from one system to the next?
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Originally posted by StratComm
Any particular reason that the text is of different sizes from one system to the next?
probly has something to do with the whole 3D thing.
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Nice Map, but should the Delphi->Kaus Boralis Jump Node, not also collapsed?
Because i have another GTVA Map, there is a Collapsed Connection between Delphi and Kaus Boralis, but it have a double Alphard :lol:
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Originally posted by Bobboau
probly has something to do with the whole 3D thing.
I don't think so. It looks like an isometric render, and none of the nodes (the systems or the little dots) show any sign of perspective. It's not important, and the map looks great, I just like pointing out the minute things ;)
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Bob was giving you a hint, which you should take.
The map is actually in 3d - the smaller the farther away, the bigger, the closer the nodes.
Through some missions, you will have 3d images to show you where you are and where you're going. This was just a shot of them all to represent the BWO nodechart.
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Originally posted by Deepstar
Nice Map, but should the Delphi->Kaus Boralis Jump Node, not also collapsed?
Because i have another GTVA Map, there is a Collapsed Connection between Delphi and Kaus Boralis, but it have a double Alphard :lol:
Yeah we sort of changed some of that around in recent times. There was the intention to use those linkages as unstable jump nodes for certain fictional elements in Over The Top by Venom/Nico but that has since changed and we're going with the original nodemap plan.
Excellent work guys, looks great!
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That's a really good map. What program did you model it in?
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3ds Max
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I am so looking forward to this campaign....
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Originally posted by BlackDove
Bob was giving you a hint, which you should take.
The map is actually in 3d - the smaller the farther away, the bigger, the closer the nodes.
Through some missions, you will have 3d images to show you where you are and where you're going. This was just a shot of them all to represent the BWO nodechart.
While that reasoning would make perfect sense if the nodes themselves were of different sizes, I can't see why perspective should affect the text but not the nodes. That leads me to believe it's artificially done (bigger font for "higher" nodes), especially since there's only two font sizes, and my first reading of the map was that the larger-text nodes were marking more important systems or something. I'm not really complaining as much as I'm just pointing out something that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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I don't really see why it would be important for the nodes to be of the same size when the text can give you an indication, but okay I guess I see your point.
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Don't know what to tell you. Maybe it's an optical illusion, because the way I made the map was with the name right next to the sphere.
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It looked like the text size used was changed halfway through and nothing more, which is the only reason I commented on it in the first place. I'm 99% sure, if there is significant depth in the map, that the render in the first post is a top-down isometric (not a camera) and so the text sizes should be the same regardless of where things lie in the z direction.
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Text sizes are the same. I used a modified camera to reduce distortion in the spheres but the text sizes did turn out slightly different.
Doesn't really matter as the in-game CBs look like the FS2 ones.
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Ah, ok. That makes sense then. It looks great, by the way ;)
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What systems does BWO take place in?
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You'll have to see that as you play.
You're gonna love us for the one in Naos though.
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Originally posted by Cooked Salmon
What systems does BWO take place in?
Alot...most of them!
But which ones for sure...surprises I suppose. Big hint...Sol system and Delta Serpentis are definates :)
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I have a baaad feeling about Cygnus X-1
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You, me, and DISNEY! :D
Anyway, would it be a cool idea to have underneath the planets ( or under the middle of a node line) the distance between them and SOL or each other in LY?
Like: Aplha Centauri ---------------- SOL
. (4 LY)
Just curious what you thought of that..
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Rather pointless since node connections are unrelated to LY distances.
It'd only be useful as a reference just in case we had Cylons jumping in a few years after detecting the Golgotha firing.
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The Delphi-Kaus Borealis node should be yellow.
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Not as far as I'm aware.
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That's a hell of a delayed reaction. :wtf:
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So is that one...
But this isn't. :D
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What about what lies beyond Gamma Draconis ? Is BWO not going to have anything to do with GD, the nebula or beyond ?
It would be a terrible shame if BWO didnt have anything to do with GD , the nebula or beyond... :blah:
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No GD, nebula or beyond.
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Any shivies?
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What about what lies beyond Gamma Draconis ? Is BWO not going to have anything to do with GD, the nebula or beyond?
Have you forgotten that those nodes were rendered inaccessible at the end of FS2?
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Any shivies?
There are no Shivans in BWO. Move along.
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One of the few campaigns without any Shivans. :D
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What about what lies beyond Gamma Draconis ? Is BWO not going to have anything to do with GD, the nebula or beyond ?
It would be a terrible shame if BWO didnt have anything to do with GD , the nebula or beyond... :blah:
It doesn't...it never did...and it never will. We're staying away from the Shivan thing. This is more about internal strife, reunification with earth, and re-arranging the alliances that bind the GTVA together.
Truthfully...I still am not completely sure on how to best follow up the Shivan dillema. What they did at Capella I have some good ideas about and that may be explored in a future development but not BWO. We'll get that finished first then try and put together something new about Shivans and other fun things :D
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Hooray for a 2012 campaign!
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2012? That's more of the year on which BWO will be released.
Expect 2020 to 2025 for the new one.
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there is something i have been confused about since ive seen the node map then in the command briefing.
Mirfak isnt that supposed to be Mirfax?
Procyon-A isnt that supposed to just Procyon? (i dont see Procyon-B??)
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Mirfak (http://domeofthesky.com/clicks/mirfak.html)
Procyon is a binary system, with Procyon-A being the main star and Procyon-B its white dwarf companion.
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there is something i have been confused about since ive seen the node map then in the command briefing.
Mirfak isnt that supposed to be Mirfax?
Procyon-A isnt that supposed to just Procyon? (i dont see Procyon-B??)
Its Mirfak on the original Descent: FreeSpace node map from Volition.
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It was misspelled as "Mirfax" in a Volition CBANI somewhere towards the end of the main FS2 campaign.
Not as common a mistake in the community as "Dubbe" tho. It's Dubhe dangit! :p
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It was misspelled as "Mirfax" in a Volition CBANI somewhere towards the end of the main FS2 campaign.
Not as common a mistake in the community as "Dubbe" tho. It's Dubhe dangit! :p
You're right. Never noticed that. Its in the middle of the campaign where they describe Bosch leaving Polaris and heading for Gamma Draconis.
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Mirfak is also misspelled as 'Mirfax' in cb_sm3-08_c.ani and cb_sm3-08_e.ani as well.
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Just wondering about one thing (but please don't kill me if this has been already awnsered somewhere else :p ). I see there's Cygnus X-1 system which appears also in Machina Terra. So here's the question - are BWO and MT universes connected to each other?
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No. MT has the Terran Alliance, but BWO has the Sol Coalition or whatever they're called.
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Ok, so I understand that BTW has got separate universe. Still common system name is little confusing. ;)
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We've been around since forever. Might want to go rag on the other guys for that one. Insult them, then tell them BlackDove sent you. They'll understand.
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Ok, so I understand that BTW has got separate universe. Still common system name is little confusing. ;)
They are on a separate universe, and not :P
They are both set on the FS Universe, but they branch differently on how things work out after FS2 :)
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...and they're using our nodechart :p
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Well its not really ours now is it?! :P
Those systems are in FS2 iirc, so its everyones. I may b wrong though, been a long time :P
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Well its not really ours now is it?! :P
Those systems are in FS2 iirc, so its everyones. I may b wrong though, been a long time :P
The systems added by Warzone and Derelict, the creators of both of which have been behind BWO, make it "ours." :p
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awh ok then, I stand corrected :P
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Gehenna....What the hell kinda system is Gehenna ? Is that a shivan controlled system? I've never seen that system before in FS2, and i dont recall any meson bombs been sent through the jump node to 'gehenna' to seal it off. Am i correct in assuming thats where the Lucifer came from?
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Play Twilight.
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Play Twilight.
What is this Twilight you speak of?
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Yea....i've never heard of it. :wtf:
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Something that might occupy your time before BWO comes out. If you haven't played them then Derelict, Twilight, and Warzone should all be on the top of your lists. Warzone is currently being remade by the Campaign Restoration Project: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/board,146.0.html
Ace, is Twilight still around for download? It was a great campaign...short but extremely good!
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Voila. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,45179.msg925399.html#msg925399)
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All CE campaigns are related to BWO.
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All CE campaigns are related to BWO.
CE campaigns?
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Cold Element
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Uh, by the way guys, The Delphi-Kaus Borealis node should be unstable.
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Why? I assume you reference the old chart by IceFire. It's his universe afterall, so he can do whatever he wants with it. It's nothing more than a retcon (or maybe an oversight).
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I think we changed it...for good reason..but I can't remember what the reason was.
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Cold Element
Speaking of which the link to it in Icefire's sig still points to gamespy.