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Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Ace on October 11, 2005, 07:58:05 pm
(http://www.savant-online.net/graphics/bwo/nodemap_bwo.png)
By Raa and Ace.

This chart is in full 3d and is also used in BWO command briefings. (albeit with more effects to match with the FS2 look)
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Depth_Charge on October 11, 2005, 09:19:57 pm
looks nice, but one question should there be a jump from (ahhhh.....) Tania Australis or Tegmen to Sirius??? since this campaign takes place after derelict...correct?
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Ace on October 11, 2005, 09:24:55 pm
Many things are transient. But many more are hidden.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Depth_Charge on October 11, 2005, 09:43:44 pm
ah i see!!!
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Cooked Salmon on October 13, 2005, 07:01:39 pm
Very nice.  I see that Twilight is referenced with the connection between Ikeya and Gehenna, and I notice a new system on the map, Cygnus X-1.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: StratComm on October 13, 2005, 07:04:34 pm
Any particular reason that the text is of different sizes from one system to the next?
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Bobboau on October 13, 2005, 07:43:12 pm
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Originally posted by StratComm
Any particular reason that the text is of different sizes from one system to the next?


probly has something to do with the whole 3D thing.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Deepstar on October 13, 2005, 09:07:13 pm
Nice Map, but should the Delphi->Kaus Boralis Jump Node, not also collapsed?


Because i have another GTVA Map, there is a Collapsed Connection between Delphi and Kaus Boralis, but it have a double Alphard :lol:
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: StratComm on October 13, 2005, 10:20:58 pm
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Originally posted by Bobboau


probly has something to do with the whole 3D thing.


I don't think so.  It looks like an isometric render, and none of the nodes (the systems or the little dots) show any sign of perspective.  It's not important, and the map looks great, I just like pointing out the minute things ;)
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: BlackDove on October 13, 2005, 11:33:59 pm
Bob was giving you a hint, which you should take.

The map is actually in 3d - the smaller the farther away, the bigger, the closer the nodes.

Through some missions, you will have 3d images to show you where you are and where you're going. This was just a shot of them all to represent the BWO nodechart.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: IceFire on October 15, 2005, 08:29:09 am
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Originally posted by Deepstar
Nice Map, but should the Delphi->Kaus Boralis Jump Node, not also collapsed?


Because i have another GTVA Map, there is a Collapsed Connection between Delphi and Kaus Boralis, but it have a double Alphard :lol:

Yeah we sort of changed some of that around in recent times.  There was the intention to use those linkages as unstable jump nodes for certain fictional elements in Over The Top by Venom/Nico but that has since changed and we're going with the original nodemap plan.

Excellent work guys, looks great!
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: T-Man on October 16, 2005, 04:22:37 am
That's a really good map. What program did you model it in?
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: BlackDove on October 16, 2005, 08:55:52 am
3ds Max
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Hellraiser on October 16, 2005, 02:31:53 pm
I am so looking forward to this campaign....
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: StratComm on October 16, 2005, 02:41:42 pm
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Originally posted by BlackDove
Bob was giving you a hint, which you should take.

The map is actually in 3d - the smaller the farther away, the bigger, the closer the nodes.

Through some missions, you will have 3d images to show you where you are and where you're going. This was just a shot of them all to represent the BWO nodechart.


While that reasoning would make perfect sense if the nodes themselves were of different sizes, I can't see why perspective should affect the text but not the nodes.  That leads me to believe it's artificially done (bigger font for "higher" nodes), especially since there's only two font sizes, and my first reading of the map was that the larger-text nodes were marking more important systems or something.  I'm not really complaining as much as I'm just pointing out something that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: BlackDove on October 16, 2005, 03:00:32 pm
I don't really see why it would be important for the nodes to be of the same size when the text can give you an indication, but okay I guess I see your point.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Taristin on October 16, 2005, 04:12:15 pm
Don't know what to tell you. Maybe it's an optical illusion, because the way I made the map was with the name right next to the sphere.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: StratComm on October 16, 2005, 04:25:13 pm
It looked like the text size used was changed halfway through and nothing more, which is the only reason I commented on it in the first place.  I'm 99% sure, if there is significant depth in the map, that the render in the first post is a top-down isometric (not a camera) and so the text sizes should be the same regardless of where things lie in the z direction.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Ace on October 16, 2005, 04:31:02 pm
Text sizes are the same. I used a modified camera to reduce distortion in the spheres but the text sizes did turn out slightly different.

Doesn't really matter as the in-game CBs look like the FS2 ones.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: StratComm on October 16, 2005, 04:35:20 pm
Ah, ok.  That makes sense then.  It looks great, by the way ;)
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Cooked Salmon on October 16, 2005, 05:34:32 pm
What systems does BWO take place in?
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: BlackDove on October 16, 2005, 05:39:02 pm
You'll have to see that as you play.

You're gonna love us for the one in Naos though.
Title: BWO Nodechart
Post by: IceFire on October 16, 2005, 08:20:01 pm
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Originally posted by Cooked Salmon
What systems does BWO take place in?

Alot...most of them!

But which ones for sure...surprises I suppose.  Big hint...Sol system and Delta Serpentis are definates :)
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: phreak on November 15, 2005, 11:59:11 pm
I have a baaad feeling about Cygnus X-1
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Getter Robo G on March 11, 2006, 11:21:31 am
You, me, and DISNEY! :D

Anyway, would it be a cool idea to have underneath the planets ( or under the middle of a node line) the distance between them and SOL or each other in LY?
Like:  Aplha Centauri ---------------- SOL
 .                                     (4 LY)

Just curious what you thought of that..
 
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Ace on March 11, 2006, 02:22:38 pm
Rather pointless since node connections are unrelated to LY distances.

It'd only be useful as a reference just in case we had Cylons jumping in a few years after detecting the Golgotha firing.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Mr. Vega on July 16, 2006, 01:03:23 am
The Delphi-Kaus Borealis node should be yellow.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: BlackDove on September 14, 2006, 06:46:09 pm
Not as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Kosh on September 17, 2006, 09:26:40 am
That's a hell of a delayed reaction. :wtf:
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Snail on September 17, 2006, 09:34:04 am
So is that one...

But this isn't. :D
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Vasudan Commander on January 26, 2007, 05:34:50 am
What about what lies beyond Gamma Draconis ? Is BWO not going to have anything to do with GD, the nebula or beyond ? 

It would be a terrible shame if BWO didnt have anything to do with GD , the nebula or beyond...  :blah:
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: BlackDove on January 26, 2007, 09:59:38 am
No GD, nebula or beyond.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Snail on January 26, 2007, 10:52:42 am
Any shivies?
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Goober5000 on January 26, 2007, 11:35:54 am
What about what lies beyond Gamma Draconis ? Is BWO not going to have anything to do with GD, the nebula or beyond?
Have you forgotten that those nodes were rendered inaccessible at the end of FS2?
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Ace on January 26, 2007, 01:34:01 pm
Any shivies?

There are no Shivans in BWO. Move along.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Snail on January 27, 2007, 11:25:11 am
One of the few campaigns without any Shivans. :D
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: IceFire on January 27, 2007, 05:42:12 pm
What about what lies beyond Gamma Draconis ? Is BWO not going to have anything to do with GD, the nebula or beyond ? 

It would be a terrible shame if BWO didnt have anything to do with GD , the nebula or beyond...  :blah:
It doesn't...it never did...and it never will.  We're staying away from the Shivan thing.  This is more about internal strife, reunification with earth, and re-arranging the alliances that bind the GTVA together.

Truthfully...I still am not completely sure on how to best follow up the Shivan dillema.  What they did at Capella I have some good ideas about and that may be explored in a future development but not BWO.  We'll get that finished first then try and put together something new about Shivans and other fun things :D
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Taristin on January 29, 2007, 12:09:06 pm
Hooray for a 2012 campaign!
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: BlackDove on January 29, 2007, 01:22:45 pm
2012? That's more of the year on which BWO will be released.

Expect 2020 to 2025 for the new one.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Centrixo on January 29, 2007, 01:29:49 pm
there is something i have been confused about since ive seen the node map then in the command briefing.

Mirfak isnt that supposed to be Mirfax?
Procyon-A isnt that supposed to just Procyon? (i dont see Procyon-B??)


Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Col. Fishguts on January 29, 2007, 03:52:25 pm
Mirfak (http://domeofthesky.com/clicks/mirfak.html)

Procyon is a binary system, with Procyon-A being the main star and Procyon-B its white dwarf companion.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: IceFire on January 29, 2007, 06:26:09 pm
there is something i have been confused about since ive seen the node map then in the command briefing.

Mirfak isnt that supposed to be Mirfax?
Procyon-A isnt that supposed to just Procyon? (i dont see Procyon-B??)



Its Mirfak on the original Descent: FreeSpace node map from Volition.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Mad Bomber on February 06, 2007, 05:24:01 pm
It was misspelled as "Mirfax" in a Volition CBANI somewhere towards the end of the main FS2 campaign.

Not as common a mistake in the community as "Dubbe" tho. It's Dubhe dangit! :p
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: IceFire on February 06, 2007, 06:18:57 pm
It was misspelled as "Mirfax" in a Volition CBANI somewhere towards the end of the main FS2 campaign.

Not as common a mistake in the community as "Dubbe" tho. It's Dubhe dangit! :p
You're right.  Never noticed that.  Its in the middle of the campaign where they describe Bosch leaving Polaris and heading for Gamma Draconis.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Mad Bomber on February 06, 2007, 08:29:34 pm
Mirfak is also misspelled as 'Mirfax' in cb_sm3-08_c.ani and cb_sm3-08_e.ani as well.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Qwer on February 21, 2007, 10:04:19 am
Just wondering about one thing (but please don't kill me if this has been already awnsered somewhere else :p ). I see there's Cygnus X-1 system which appears also in Machina Terra. So here's the question - are BWO and MT universes connected to each other?
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Snail on February 21, 2007, 03:12:20 pm
No. MT has the Terran Alliance, but BWO has the Sol Coalition or whatever they're called.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Qwer on February 22, 2007, 11:20:44 am
Ok, so I understand that BTW has got separate universe. Still common system name is little confusing. ;)
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: BlackDove on February 22, 2007, 02:45:18 pm
We've been around since forever. Might want to go rag on the other guys for that one. Insult them, then tell them BlackDove sent you. They'll understand.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Raven2001 on February 22, 2007, 04:23:58 pm
Ok, so I understand that BTW has got separate universe. Still common system name is little confusing. ;)

They are on a separate universe, and not :P

They are both set on the FS Universe, but they branch differently on how things work out after FS2 :)
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Ace on February 22, 2007, 06:34:48 pm
...and they're using our nodechart :p
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Raven2001 on February 23, 2007, 08:19:05 am
Well its not really ours now is it?! :P

Those systems are in FS2 iirc, so its everyones. I may b wrong though, been a long time :P
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Ace on February 23, 2007, 02:36:22 pm
Well its not really ours now is it?! :P

Those systems are in FS2 iirc, so its everyones. I may b wrong though, been a long time :P

The systems added by Warzone and Derelict, the creators of both of which have been behind BWO, make it "ours." :p
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Raven2001 on February 23, 2007, 03:37:01 pm
awh ok then, I stand corrected :P
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 03, 2007, 06:38:57 am
Gehenna....What the hell kinda system is Gehenna ? Is that a shivan controlled system? I've never seen that system before in FS2, and i dont recall any meson bombs been sent through the jump node to 'gehenna' to seal it off. Am i correct in assuming thats where the Lucifer came from?
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Snail on July 03, 2007, 08:13:57 am
Play Twilight.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Hades on July 03, 2007, 02:14:24 pm
Play Twilight.

What is this Twilight you speak of?
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 03, 2007, 10:30:10 pm
Yea....i've never heard of it.  :wtf:
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: IceFire on July 03, 2007, 10:47:59 pm
Something that might occupy your time before BWO comes out.  If you haven't played them then Derelict, Twilight, and Warzone should all be on the top of your lists.  Warzone is currently being remade by the Campaign Restoration Project: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/board,146.0.html

Ace, is Twilight still around for download?  It was a great campaign...short but extremely good!
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Goober5000 on July 04, 2007, 12:09:00 am
Voila. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,45179.msg925399.html#msg925399)
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Snail on July 04, 2007, 04:36:03 am
All CE campaigns are related to BWO.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 05, 2007, 05:16:39 am
All CE campaigns are related to BWO.

CE campaigns?
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Raven2001 on July 05, 2007, 08:00:07 am
Cold Element
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Mr. Vega on February 10, 2008, 06:54:06 am
Uh, by the way guys, The Delphi-Kaus Borealis node should be unstable.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Koth on February 10, 2008, 08:27:05 am
Why? I assume you reference the old chart by IceFire. It's his universe afterall, so he can do whatever he wants with it. It's nothing more than a retcon (or maybe an oversight).
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: IceFire on February 10, 2008, 02:36:25 pm
I think we changed it...for good reason..but I can't remember what the reason was.
Title: Re: BWO Nodechart
Post by: Kosh on February 24, 2008, 03:21:12 am
Cold Element


Speaking of which the link to it in Icefire's sig still points to gamespy.