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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: HotSnoJ on September 13, 2002, 09:05:17 am
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I'm from Willmar, Minnesota, USA (All the way! ;)).
Anyone from San Diego and goes to a youth church/group Ground Zero? You might remember me. I was there once in august.
Misspelled Minnesota.
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Rockville, MD :D
I don't think anyone will "remember" me since I never go out... :nervous:
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Aren't you supposed to have your location in your profile??
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yes, but some people put stupid stuff like "coruscant" in there.
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Tallinn, Estonia, Baltic States, Europe.
And I don't wanna hear anyone asking "Where the hell is Estonia?" :D ;7
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same as him.
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Ridderkerk, The Netherlands!
:D
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Bedfordshire, UK
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Darlington, North-East UK. Between Newcastle and Middlesbrough.
I'm easy to find. I live in the huge black tower with the dragons and demons circling, with all the condemned people chained to the outer wall screaming as their blood drips down the glossy-black skin of the outer-wall and into the huge red moat. And my letter-box has a picture of a duck on it.
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Originally posted by an0n
Darlington, North-East UK. Between Newcastle and Middlesbrough.
I'm easy to find. I live in the huge black tower with the dragons and demons circling, with all the condemned people chained to the outer wall screaming as their blood drips down the glossy-black skin of the outer-wall and into the huge red moat. And my letter-box has a picture of a duck on it.
Exactly like my grandmas house. No wait...she doesen't have a duck pic.
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Leidschendam
Netherlands
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Tallinn, Estonia, Baltic States, Europe.
And I don't wanna hear anyone asking "Where the hell is Estonia?" :D ;7
oh wait, it's that small country under Finland, aint it?
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Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom.
God save the queen. :)
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Jämsä, Finland, Europe, Earth here.
Originally posted by kode
oh wait, it's that small country under Finland, aint it?
It is. :p
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Barrie, Ontario, Canada. The Great White North, eh!
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Kintore, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, UK.
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Glasgow, Scotland.
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Like it says in my profile, I'm in White Plains, NY. But that's just for law school.
My real home is in Washington, DC. God bless the heart of our democracy! Whoo hoo! :D (Even if Bush really is an unelected President... :doubt: )
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Woodbridge VA
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Here's one for any Americans who don't know of anywhere out side of the US, (read George Bush) :D
Brighouse, Calderdale, West Yorkshire, England, UK, British Isles, Off The west coast of Europe, the Northern Hemisphere (above the equa... line round widest point of Earth) Earth, Inner planets, Sol system, outer spiral arm, Milky way, local group, Virgo supercluster, the Universe.
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Edmond, OK
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
Like it says in my profile, I'm in White Plains, NY. But that's just for law school.
My real home is in Washington, DC. God bless the heart of our democracy! Whoo hoo! :D (Even if Bush really is an unelected President... :doubt: )
<<< the original Gotham City... New York City.
This "Pilot" lives works and eats on the front line. and things look as if they did back in 70s when they first built wtc, as if nothing happened. anyways... im always around NYPD and national guard they mad cool, they all from the city.
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Lohja, Finland.
Yay, months since my last post, and it'll probably be months 'til my next one. Be seeing ya :)
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bye Jabu!
Silver Spring MD, USA
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<====moved from here to Shannonville Rd. Ontario
I'M FROM CANADA EH?!
*pass out Canadian beer*
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Okay, I'll give in.
Newark, NJ.
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Where are you from?
what's it to you?
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Ashurnbipi, Morrowind, Vwardenfell
:nod:
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Forfar in scotland. It rains............... Garbage would feel good up here..........
But I don't care! I have a computer! I can beat rain!
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Nottingham, Uk, and no Robin Hood jokes
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Merry? Sorry.
Is there anyone from either Ierlands? (is that how ya spell it?)
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Texas.
Yes, the mysterious place where people supposedly sing "God Save George Bush".
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Originally posted by LAW ENFORCER
Forfar in scotland. It rains............... Garbage would feel good up here..........
But I don't care! I have a computer! I can beat rain!
Could be worse you could've mentioned the football team... :lol:
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Alright, two cannucks, Two Estonians, a bunch of other places including Scotland and Texas, and Robin Hood. (sorry, I couldn't resist Sheepy, you told me not to (Rebel Rebel;) ))
Who else lives in strange far off lands, like the US?:p
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I moved to PA from CT about 5 months ago... You know sometimes when the wind blows just right, the air dosen't smell CLEAN ... Know what I mean? :lol:
I noticed some of the freaky things people posted for location so I changed mine to reflect my FS2 pilot, and campiagn storyline...
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Im Originally from Cincinnati Ohio, USA. But I currently hail from "The Triangle" of North Carolina. Just east of the Piedmont. What the hell is the Piedmont? :wtf:
I think I should know this stuff... :lol:
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(Just South of Lake Texoma)Sherman, Texas, U.S.
Cotton is king.
Vega, where in Texas?
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The Fort-Worth/Dallas Metroplex. And yes, because FW is better than Dallas!
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Cool..both you and Alikchi dont live very far from me. Actually, I live between both of you.
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I think I can claim that I have the longest location profile of all of H.L.P.
Anyway:
Perth, Western Australia
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I dunno i think Su-Teph's comes close ..... i think its su's anyway i may be wrong.
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A small muffin.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
A small muffin.
*starts singing*
"Oh, do you know the muffin man?
the muffin man, the muffin man.
Oh do you know the muffin man,
the muffin man, the muffn man
that lives on drury lane?....... Oh, yes I..."
;)
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I hate that song. I really do. If you sing it anymore, I'll be right pissed off and have to do something about it.
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"Oh, yes I know the muffin man, the muffi man, the muffin man. Oh, yes I know the mu...."
:nervous:
*me runs*
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Severna Park, Maryland, USA (another long name)
:wtf: I notice there are a disproportionately large number of folk from the Peoples' Republic of Maryland here.
And wait... they're all places where I used to work (Rockville, Silver Spring) ... :nervous:
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*Eats the Muffin man and his singing friend*
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I'm from Venezuela.
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Thank you Sheepy. I'm sorry about the Roobin Hood joke. and I'll get you back Kamikaze. I'll get you back;)
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Im from that wierd area left of nowhere and south of somewhere. I'm not sure that they have a name for it yet, but i call it hell.
DeFuniak Springs, Florida for all the pricks that cant have a good laugh.
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Originally posted by Pegasus V
I think I can claim that I have the longest location profile of all of H.L.P.
Anyway:
Perth, Western Australia
Originally posted by Sheepy
I dunno i think Su-tehp's comes close ..... i think its Su's anyway i may be wrong.
Well, I did an extra word to mine, namely "Tellurian", but let's find out!
EDIT: Why, so it is! Pegasus' profile is longer than mine! Well, I'll just have to fix that... :D :cool:
Maybe if I...embellish...where I am slightly...
2ND EDIT: D'oh! Looks like Pegasus' profile beats out mine by only 4 or 5 letters.
BUT, I do have 2 more words in my profile than his.
Oh, well, 2nd Place isn't bad, Pegasus. :p :D :cool:
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how come there's so many USA-ians? (i recently got yelled at for lumping the rest of America in with USA- its not politically correct, so I'm going to try and avoid that...)
Syd Aus as you all should well know... Australia's a big place, but we only have about five or six hlp-ers here, and not all of them are active... how weird.
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Originally posted by icespeed
(i recently got yelled at for lumping the rest of America in with USA- its not politically correct, so I'm going to try and avoid that...)
:wtf: Is this some sort of North-South thing?
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Originally posted by icespeed
(i recently got yelled at for lumping the rest of America in with USA- its not politically correct, so I'm going to try and avoid that...)
Originally posted by vyper
:wtf: Is this some sort of North-South thing?
Vyper, I think Icespeed is referring to lumping Canada, Central America and South America with USA.
At least that's what it seems like to me; I'm originally from Argentina (South America) but my family was lucky to get out of there during the early 1970s.
Between the dirty generals, the disappeared ones, the financial collpase and the "express kidnappings", it's no wonder I only go back to Argentina for Christmas vacation. :blah: :nervous: :shaking: :wtf: :rolleyes:
As for the whole North-South thing, the Southerners should know better than to hold a 140 year grudge. And whenever Bush v. Gore gets mentioned in a Southerner's presence, they yell at us to "get over it..." :rolleyes:
Sometimes, I think there are still Southerners who are still pissed that Brown v. Board of Education became national law, let alone still be pissed about the Confederacy losing the Civil War...:doubt: :sigh:
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Gilo, Jerusalem, Israel. Real close to Bethlehem (a 7 minute walk from here, actually).
Originally posted by deep_eyes
<<< the original Gotham City... New York City.
This "Pilot" lives works and eats on the front line. and things look as if they did back in 70s when they first built wtc, as if nothing happened. anyways... im always around NYPD and national guard they mad cool, they all from the city.
Meh - No offense, and all due respect towards 9/11 and the events thereof, but you live on a one-time front line. Hpw many nights have you fallen asleep to the sounds of heavy machine-gun fire, Hellfire rocket launches, and a tank round or two every once in a while?
Yeah, didn't think so.
Originally posted by Su-tehp
Well, I did an extra word to mine, namely "Tellurian", but let's find out!
EDIT: Why, so it is! Pegasus' profile is longer than mine! Well, I'll just have to fix that... :D :cool:
Maybe if I...embellish...where I am slightly...
2ND EDIT: D'oh! Looks like Pegasus' profile beats out mine by only 4 or 5 letters.
BUT, I do have 2 more words in my profile than his.
Oh, well, 2nd Place isn't bad, Pegasus. :p :D :cool:
You forgot the continent. :D
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Hpw many nights have you fallen asleep to the sounds of heavy machine-gun fire, Hellfire rocket launches, and a tank round or two every once in a while?
Man you guys really need a nuke or two! That'll cure all your worres! ;)
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Hpw many nights have you fallen asleep to the sounds of heavy machine-gun fire, Hellfire rocket launches, and a tank round or two every once in a while?
I lived in the District of Columbia (Washington, DC to all of you non-USA-ians ;)) for 9 years in my 20s, and would frequently wake up in the middle of the night to hear a 9mm semiautomatic emptying its magazine -- a sound you learn to recognize very easily.
Not exactly a heavy machine gun or a rocket launcher, but you still wouldn't want to get caught in the crossfire -- dead is still dead.
Most inner cities in the US are war zones. You just don't see it as much on the national news since it's just poor people killing other poor people. Not as glamorous as a white middle-class kid from a suburb being kidnapped.
BTW: No offense, Sandwich; I can't imagine what you must go through on a daily basis :(
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I notice there are a disproportionately large number of folk from the Peoples' Republic of Maryland here.
I think there are two other people in Maryland that have not posted here yet; that makes five of us Marylanders. :D
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Yup
Reisterstown, Maryland
:p
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Originally posted by icespeed
USA-ians
That is more annoying than I thought it would be :wtf:
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[color=sky blue]New Orleans, Louisiana, USA.
Everything you heard about the southeastern US is true.
Especially the part about it being a third world country.[/color] :nod: :D
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Hpw many nights have you fallen asleep to the sounds of heavy machine-gun fire, Hellfire rocket launches, and a tank round or two every once in a while?[/B]
Originally posted by vyper
Man you [Israeli] guys really need a nuke or two! That'll cure all your worres! ;)
Lol, vyper, don't think they haven't considered it. :lol: Israel already has nukes.
I think Israel wouldn't drop a nuke on the Palestinians because they'd be a little worried about the fallout (radioactive, not political). The West Bank is right next door, after all.
And it's not like the Israelis have the luxury of worrying about political consequences when the existence of their nation is at stake. Thank God the Israelis had the foresight to bomb that Iraqi nuclear power plant back in the 1980s...otherwise, Saddam would have nukes now. The Gulf War would have turned out very differently if Saddam had the Bomb then...
And considering how the Palestinians danced in the streets on 9/11, they can all go to hell (or radioactive oblivion, whichever) for all I care.... :mad: :doubt: :mad2:
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
Sometimes, I think there are still Southerners who are still pissed that Brown v. Board of Education became national law, let alone still be pissed about the Confederacy losing the Civil War...:doubt: :sigh:
Partly, but it was mainly the fact thier own country men would try to come into their homes and farms and change their way of living. Even though slavery is unconstitional, most Southerns couldn't afford slaves and many didn't agree with owning people. And immgrant workers paying them 1/10 to work in some factory isn't much better than slavery anyways. I am from "The South" and most southerns do have a problem with being classified as the dumb redneck. Plus in today's time some of the things that makes those eleven states different from the rest are being classified as horrid symbols. (i.e. Confederate Flag) Much of the South has forgotten the Civil War(except for a few Neo-Naiz's, and some of the white supremists groups like the Klu Klux Klan). However, it does sadden me when you see more I Love NYC shirts in a Texas department store and fewer and fewer still carry a Confederate Flag(Mainly because it has been potrayed as being "redneckish").
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am i the only dude form kali?
well actually i think i am.
Santa Rosa, Cali .... 60 miles north of San Fran (no i am not gay :p )
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Finland, Behind-the-gods-back-town.
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a box of matzah, my kitchen table, my house, Connecticut, USA
Originally posted by Su-tehp
Lol, vyper, don't think they haven't considered it. Israel already has nukes.
Yeah, like in Sum of All Fears!:nervous: :shaking: :D
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Originally posted by penguin
I lived in the District of Columbia (Washington, DC to all of you non-USA-ians) for 9 years in my 20s, and would frequently wake up in the middle of the night to hear a 9mm semiautomatic emptying its magazine -- a sound you learn to recognize very easily.
Not exactly a heavy machine gun or a rocket launcher, but you still wouldn't want to get caught in the crossfire -- dead is still dead.
Most inner cities in the US are war zones. You just don't see it as much on the national news since it's just poor people killing other poor people. Not as glamorous as a white middle-class kid from a suburb being kidnapped.
BTW: No offense, Sandwich; I can't imagine what you must go through on a daily basis
Hmmmm... let's see if I can adequately express what I want to say in response to this:
On average, walking the streets of any given "inner city" in the US is by far more dangerous than pretty much anywhere here in Israel. The reason mainly being that here, I'd reckon around 10-15% of the adult population carries firearms on their person, whether it be a Glock, Uzi or M-16. Plus, there are soldiers everywhere, often en-route to and from home on leave, but on weekend leave in Israel you still take your gun home.
So on a day-to-day basis, I feel much safer here than I do visiting the US. (which I do from time to time). I mean, come on! In the US, anyone can just meander into the local mall with an MP5 under their vest, a few fragmentation grenades on their belt, and a pack full of high-explosives - who's gonna check them? And pardon me, but the so-called "airline/airport security"?? Laughable. Absolutely ridiculous.
Anyways, before I drag this into a full-blown rant, lemme say that my daily life is quite peaceful. Wake up, eat, hop on a bus into town or the mall, get my bag and person checked going into the mall or into a dept. store in town, buy a few things, meet w/ friends for lunch at a coffee shop (where I get my bag and person checked again), head to the movie theater, get my bag and person checked upon entering the mall, and again before the ticket counter of the theater, sit down to watch a movie, switch seats because the stock of the M16 the person sitting next to me was carrying was digging into my ribs, watch a city in the US get nuked (Sum of All Fears), hop on another bus to go back home, listen to news reports about how there are strong indications that there will be terrorist attacks on Jewish settlements in Judea, Samaria and Gaza during Yom Kippur, surf HLP for 4 hours, go to bed. :D
Originally posted by Borealis
[color=sky blue]New Orleans, Louisiana, USA.
Everything you heard about the southeastern US is true.
Especially the part about it being a third world country.[/color]
Borealis! Welcome back from wherever you've disappeared to in the last few weeks or so. :nod:
Originally posted by Su-tehp
Lol, vyper, don't think they haven't considered it. Israel already has nukes.
I think Israel wouldn't drop a nuke on the Palestinians because they'd be a little worried about the fallout (radioactive, not political). The West Bank is right next door, after all.
And it's not like the Israelis have the luxury of worrying about political consequences when the existence of their nation is at stake. Thank God the Israelis had the foresight to bomb that Iraqi nuclear power plant back in the 1980s...otherwise, Saddam would have nukes now. The Gulf War would have turned out very differently if Saddam had the Bomb then...
And considering how the Palestinians danced in the streets on 9/11, they can all go to hell (or radioactive oblivion, whichever) for all I care....
Why the heck would we drop nukes on our own land?? :confused:
And Israel's hands are tied far tighter than most of the world knows. :doubt: Heck, when I was in Jenin rounding up terrorists and blowing up explosives labs, the world was threatning us with sanctions and embargoes if we didn't get the hell out of there, yesterday! I mean, who the hell are they to tell us that we can't defend ourselves!?!
I live in Gilo, Jerusalem's southern-most neighborhood. We had mortars falling around here before the army "invaded" Beit-Jala all those months ago, but the world screamed at us for "invading" back then, too! I'd like to see what the heck the world would say if Washington DC, London or Paris was getting mortared left and right! And note that mortars have a max range of approx. 0.5-4 kilomteres, depending on the diameter. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
Lol, vyper, don't think they haven't considered it. Israel already has nukes.
I think Israel wouldn't drop a nuke on the Palestinians because they'd be a little worried about the fallout (radioactive, not political). The West Bank is right next door, after all.
Originally posted by Sandwich
Why the heck would we drop nukes on our own land?? :confused:
Exactly. I was trying to make a joke, but Sandwich is right, it fell flat. No one would be stupid enough to detonate a nuke on their own land (well, unless they were conducting weapons test, like the US and USSR did during the Cold War, but that's another story) and the Israelis are FAR from stupid. Considering how long Israel has survived with such hostile neighbors through, what, FIVE wars in fifty years, the cleverness and bravery of Israel is beyond any doubt.
Originally posted by Sandwich
And Israel's hands are tied far tighter than most of the world knows. :doubt: Heck, when I was in Jenin rounding up terrorists and blowing up explosives labs, the world was threatning us with sanctions and embargoes if we didn't get the hell out of there, yesterday! I mean, who the hell are they to tell us that we can't defend ourselves!?!
I live in Gilo, Jerusalem's southern-most neighborhood. We had mortars falling around here before the army "invaded" Beit-Jala all those months ago, but the world screamed at us for "invading" back then, too! I'd like to see what the heck the world would say if Washington DC, London or Paris was getting mortared left and right! And note that mortars have a max range of approx. 0.5-4 kilomteres, depending on the diameter. :rolleyes:
Yeah, ever since the Second Intifada began, I've been extraordinarily pissed at the Palestinians, especially that treacherous worm, Arafat. And Europe's double-standard attitude towards Israel just plain sickens me.
I'm not exactly Sharon's biggest fan, but at least he's clamping down on the Palestinian terrorists and has greatly reduced the suicide bombings. When was the last one? Two months ago in July? It wasn't that long ago when suicide bombings were happening almost EVERY DAY in Israel.
Hell, yeah, Israel can and should do whatever is necessary to defend itself. If the Palestinians want their own state, they should take a page out of Martin Luther King's book and use passive, nonviolent resistance. If the Palestinians keep using terrorist tatcics, no one, especially in US or Israel, is going to come to their aid and they'll never get their own state, nor will they deserve one.
Hell, I've even had days where I was so pissed at the Palestinian militants that I thought "transferring" all the Palestinians to Jordan was a GOOD idea and never mind the "ethnic cleansing" paralells to Kosovo and Milosevic...
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Originally posted by Borealis
[color=sky blue]New Orleans, Louisiana, USA.
Everything you heard about the southeastern US is true.
Especially the part about it being a third world country.[/color] :nod: :D
Cool. HLP's only (sane) (human) female has returned.
*hides from Tiara and Carl*
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Originally posted by an0n
Cool. HLP's only (sane) (human) female has returned.
*hides from Tiara and Carl*
I think you're forgetting the other female, Delphinia... and she's an admin :lol:
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Damn you. Stop pointing out the flaws in my mockery of Tiara.
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
If the Palestinians want their own state, they should take a page out of Martin Luther King's book and use passive, nonviolent resistance.
Uh huh. Please, tell me how we'd even know about them, much less give a ****, if they used "passive resistance". Passive resistance only works if you're a serious threat, and give the impression of holding back for diplomacy- MLK's "passive resistance" woulda been sitting down for a massacre, nothing more, if the black militants weren't quite so scary. Even Ghandi, whose nation was given up more as an expendable loss during a time of war than anything else, wouldn't have gotten what he wanted had not the Indians been on the verge of a far bloodier revolution.
You overestimate nations' capacity for compassion- Israel isn't particularly scared of the Palestinians, at least not enough to really start making concessions. And there's no way in hell, for the next hundred years or so, that the Israeli or Palestinian masses will ever see the other side as good for anything but wholesale slaughter- this might not be true for individuals, but it's the way the nation works. Palestinian sits down in front of an Israeli bulldozer, you've got a Palestinian pancake. Palestinian takes to the roof with a Kalashnikov 47, at least he has a chance to take one or two enemies with him.
Much more important, what is happening in Israel, what is happening in India/Pakistan, what is happening in the rest of the Middle East, is NOT comparable to the Civil Rights movement. Or any other rights movement. It is war. Undeclared, but then declarations are the luxury of the rich and pompous. And this sort of war is only going to get more common in the following years- already, the US army is doing all it can to adopt the tactics of the terrorists (with a bit less total war factored in, but that's because we don't need it). You want a soldier to sit down on the battleground.
I don't see how you can draw parallels, anyway. Beyond the very small connection that both types of conflict have race-based parties, there is no connection whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
If the Palestinians want their own state, they should take a page out of Martin Luther King's book and use passive, nonviolent resistance.
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Uh huh. Please, tell me how we'd even know about them, much less give a ****, if they used "passive resistance". Passive resistance only works if you're a serious threat, and give the impression of holding back for diplomacy- MLK's "passive resistance" woulda been sitting down for a massacre, nothing more, if the black militants weren't quite so scary. Even Ghandi, whose nation was given up more as an expendable loss during a time of war than anything else, wouldn't have gotten what he wanted had not the Indians been on the verge of a far bloodier revolution.
I think you're wrong, Stryke, at least about the Civil Rights movement here. America didn't give Blacks the right to vote and other equal rights because the Black Panthers threatened to plunge the USA into chaos. America gave Blacks equal rights because Martin Luther King and others like him kept pointing out that it was morally inconsistent to treat Blacks differently when they were just as American as Whites/Caucasians.
The threat of volence had nothing to do with King's success. King publicly wanted nothing to do with the Black Panthers. Even Malcolm X eventually agreed with King that non-violence was the only way to get Blacks equal rights.
Who remembers the Black Panthers today? I think you'll find that people are much more likely to remeber King and Malcolm X than anyone in the Black panthers, Stryke.
Originally posted by Stryke 9
You overestimate nations' capacity for compassion- Israel isn't particularly scared of the Palestinians, at least not enough to really start making concessions. And there's no way in hell, for the next hundred years or so, that the Israeli or Palestinian masses will ever see the other side as good for anything but wholesale slaughter- this might not be true for individuals, but it's the way the nation works. Palestinian sits down in front of an Israeli bulldozer, you've got a Palestinian pancake. Palestinian takes to the roof with a Kalashnikov 47, at least he has a chance to take one or two enemies with him.
Much more important, what is happening in Israel, what is happening in India/Pakistan, what is happening in the rest of the Middle East, is NOT comparable to the Civil Rights movement. Or any other rights movement.
I never said it was, Stryke. I merely tried to say that it could have been, had the Palestinians taken the route of non-violence. But they chose terrorism instead. That choice will doom them, if it hasn't already done so. They lost my sympathy, and the sympathy of many others in the United states as a result.
Originally posted by Stryke 9
I don't see how you can draw parallels, anyway. Beyond the very small connection that both types of conflict have race-based parties, there is no connection whatsoever.
I wasn't drawing paralells, Stryke. You misunderstood me. I never said that the two conflicts were parallel, again, I just said (or tried to say) that they could have been. But they're not, because the palestinians chose terrorism instead, so I don't treat the conflicts as parallel.
Originally posted by Stryke 9
You want a soldier to sit down on the battleground.
What does this even mean, anyway? That even after 9/11 I'd rather we Americans just bury our heads in the sand and try to ignore the terrorists and maybe they'll go away? I supported America's war on the Taliban and Al Queda and I danced the jig when I realized that the Taliban wasn't around to enforce their super-strict, ultra-fanatical dogma on the Afgani people anymore.
If you read my previous post on the Palestinians, it should be plain, even to you, that I can't stand the Palestinian militant terrorists. I fully support Israel's actions to defend itself. I would like to see the Israel-Palestine end, but not at the cost of Israel's existence. I thought I made that plain.
And when did I ever I wanted a soldier "to sit down on the battlefield"? I don't remember writing that in my post.
Wait, let me check, if I did write that...hang on...
Nope, nothing even remotely like the words "soldier", "sit down" OR "battlefield" is anywhere in my previous post.
Hmm, I wonder where Stryke got the idea that I was a pacifist? Especially after I said that Israel should do whatever is necessary to defend itself... I know that was in my post!:rolleyes:
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:sigh: What happened to such a simple and straightforward thread?
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god knows
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where is she a admin?
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here`s one... by the mistake on the lake, Erie Pa USA....:wtf:
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Whee! Issues!
1. I know all about the Black Panthers. They're marginalized in public grade schools, as are all parts of history where people aren't standing around giving each other warm fuzzies all the time. But everyone I've met with any real education PERIOD knew about as much about the Black Panthers as they did about MLK's peace movement. It probably helps that a good deal of the greatest literature of the time was from Eldridge Cleaver and Malcolm X.
2. I was referring to your preaching nonviolence for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I gathered you weren't a pacifist from before, but you're applying a double standard here. The Palestinians and Israelis ARE fighting a war, and have been pretty much since the Israelis moved in- it took a short time to pick up at the VERY beginning, when the British were still putting Israel together, but it's been a war the whole time. Whoever chooses to fight or is impressed into one side or another is a "passive resistance" to be had there, any more than there was in Normandy in the fortysomethings, Iwo Jima whenever the hell, Vietnam in the fifties and sixties, etc. Passive resistance is strictly civil-conflict only. This isn't a civil conflict.
3. So the hundreds of years of slavery, segregation, lynchings, etc. were simply the result of an honest misunderstanding? It had just never occurred to whites that black people might be human? Even though there had been countless other people campaigning like MLK before (but no unified black militant movement before), pointing it out- it had to be televised to be understood or something? You've got an odd view of the world, man.
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
:sigh: What happened to such a simple and straightforward thread?
Sorry, my fault. :doubt:
Originally posted by Stryke 9
The Palestinians and Israelis ARE fighting a war, and have been pretty much since the Israelis moved in- it took a short time to pick up at the VERY beginning, when the British were still putting Israel together, but it's been a war the whole time. Whoever chooses to fight or is impressed into one side or another is a "passive resistance" to be had there, any more than there was in Normandy in the fortysomethings, Iwo Jima whenever the hell, Vietnam in the fifties and sixties, etc. Passive resistance is strictly civil-conflict only. This isn't a civil conflict.
http://www.infoclick.org/
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[shrugs]
There are assholes on both sides. I could just as easily track down something like that for either side. It'd probably be about half true, and ignore a good number of important facts.
Anyway, yeah- basically supports what I said before. Been going on since the very beginning. I'd hesitate to assign blame (there's some political topics I can no longer manage to really give a **** about. They're so stupid I get too cynical to even pick a side), but the conflict IS a permanent one, and there's no good solution about it- either one side wipes the other out, or in 1500 years the culture changes so radically both sides stop to wonder what they have to gain out of fighting endlessly over some patch of semi-desert neither can conclusively secure in the first place.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Whee! Issues!
Yes, indeed. Whee. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Stryke 9
1. I know all about the Black Panthers. They're marginalized in public grade schools, as are all parts of history where people aren't standing around giving each other warm fuzzies all the time. But everyone I've met with any real education PERIOD knew about as much about the Black Panthers as they did about MLK's peace movement. It probably helps that a good deal of the greatest literature of the time was from Eldridge Cleaver and Malcolm X.
Define "real education." For that matter, define "greatest literature."
Originally posted by Stryke 9
2. I was referring to your preaching nonviolence for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I gathered you weren't a pacifist from before, but you're applying a double standard here. The Palestinians and Israelis ARE fighting a war, and have been pretty much since the Israelis moved in- it took a short time to pick up at the VERY beginning, when the British were still putting Israel together, but it's been a war the whole time. Whoever chooses to fight or is impressed into one side or another is a "passive resistance" to be had there, any more than there was in Normandy in the fortysomethings, Iwo Jima whenever the hell, Vietnam in the fifties and sixties, etc. Passive resistance is strictly civil-conflict only. This isn't a civil conflict.
3. So the hundreds of years of slavery, segregation, lynchings, etc. were simply the result of an honest misunderstanding? It had just never occurred to whites that black people might be human? Even though there had been countless other people campaigning like MLK before (but no unified black militant movement before), pointing it out- it had to be televised to be understood or something?
Wait, wait, now it seems to me that you're the one applying a double standard here. You said previously that the only reason that King was successful in the Civil Rights movement was because it was backed up by the Black militants like the Black Panthers who employed violence or the threat of violence. And, granted African-Americans were shamefully taken as slaves and abused and oppressed for a hundred years and kept as second class citizens for another hundred. But we both seem to agree that that was a civil conflict.
Now you're saying that another oppressed people (at least, they believe themselves to be opppressed) namely, the Palestinians who have made a campaign to "end the occupation" as they put it, but they've been employing violence only for 40-odd years as opposed to the 200 years tha African-American suffered.
What makes the things that African-Americans suffered (for a much longer time than the Palestinians, I might add) a civil conflict and the conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis a war? Isn't it precisely because King used non-violence and the Palestinians use suicide bombers?
How successful do you think the Civil rights movement would have been if King never refuted the Black militants, Stryke? Isn't it precisely because of his refusal to use violence that he managed to convince all Americans that everyone deserved equal rights?
How willing would you be to grant equal rights to someone who was bombing your children every other day? The Palestinians say they want the occupation to end and their militants employ violence to try and end it. Isn't it King's refusal to use violence that makes the Civil rights movement a civil movement? Isn't it the Palestinians' refusal to give up violence that makes it a war?
Are the two different or aren't they? If the Palestinians truly gave up violence tomorrow and started using non-violent resistance, wouldn't that change the nature of the conflict from a war to a civil rights movement? And if not, why not?
Originally posted by Stryke 9
You've got an odd view of the world, man.
It's no stranger than anyone else's, Stryke. *shrugs*
BTW, Stryke, I do agree with you that the Israeli-palestinian conflict is a war. Where we seem to disagree is whether the nature of the conflict could change from a war to something else, like a civil rights movement. I seem to think that a Palestinian civil rights movement is still possible, but only until the Palestinians renounce violence fully and completely. You seem to think that such a possibility is impossible, or at least, extremely unlikely. Am I right?
EDIT: Ok, now that Sandwich and Stryke have both posted here while I was writing this, I agree that Stryke is right that there are as many sides to any story as there are people involved in the story.
Man, Arafat actually refused to become Prime Minister of Jordan? I had no idea!
In hindsight and in light of that fact, it should have been obvious that Arafat was going to refuse the peace offer Clinton and Barak made to him at Camp David...
Stryke, maybe you were right about the impossibility of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict becoming a civil conflict and it forever remaining a war, after all...
Like the Israelis, I just hope and pray it's not true.:sigh:
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http://www.infoclick.org/
that was.. informative, thanks :D
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YUGOSLAVIA :D :D
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Alright Sandwich maybe not nukes, how about the so-called "Daisy-Cutters"? ;7
*mutters* ...the SAS could solve this in weeks... (no offence to the Israeli army or anything)
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ok anyone whos from estonia raise yar hands :)
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Originally posted by vyper
*mutters* ...the SAS could solve this in weeks... (no offence to the Israeli army or anything)
None taken, although Sayeret Mat'kal could resolve this just as well as the SAS - probably even better - if our hands weren't tied politically. Believe me, we do not lack the might to "force" a solution on the Palestinians, but that would simply not be right, as well as probably causing all the arab nations to jump on our throats. And since we've been there and done that, we'd like to avoid that outcome if at all possible. :doubt:
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Maryland, USA :blah:
quickly lowers head and crawls away making as little attation as posible
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Tornio, Finland
not much to say about it....
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Originally posted by Sandwich
None taken, although Sayeret Mat'kal could resolve this just as well as the SAS - probably even better - if our hands weren't tied politically. Believe me, we do not lack the might to "force" a solution on the Palestinians, but that would simply not be right, as well as probably causing all the arab nations to jump on our throats. And since we've been there and done that, we'd like to avoid that outcome if at all possible. :doubt:
I suppose your right. I just get a little carried away when I know one side's got technological superiority (no freepsace reference there lads!) and better forces. Hey you never know, all the Palestinian militants might go fight for Saddam when we invade him, leaving you guys alone. ;)
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Tallinn Estonia
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ok anyone whos from estonia raise yar hands
I'd raise one, if I had any. Will a tentacle do?
AND how the hell does every thread in the Main HLP forum degenerate into politics?
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I was born in Caracas, Venezuela; lived there for 10 years. I moved to Buenos Aires, Argentina when my parents got divorced. After 3 years I went back to Venezuela, finished high school and now I live happily by myself in Orlando, Florida, US.
:D
Originally posted by Levyathan
I'm from Venezuela.
Where in Venezuela are you from Levyathan??
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Hmmm, gonna ignore the war and politics (two subjects I find hard to read without becoming depressed or angry).
Anyways I think I'm the only Hard-Lighter from Ireland, Northern Ireland to be exact, in the county of Armagh, even more specifically in a small town called Lurgan.
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And to cut to the chase, I'm from Worthing, Sussex, England, Europe. Whopee :)
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You consider Britain to be part of Europe? That's funny, most Britons don't.
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
You consider Britain to be part of Europe? That's funny, most Britons don't.
Yeh wot u playin at Thunder? :blah:
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Originally posted by Alpha
I was born in Caracas, Venezuela; lived there for 10 years. I moved to Buenos Aires, Argentina when my parents got divorced. After 3 years I went back to Venezuela, finished high school and now I live happily by myself in Orlando, Florida, US.
:D
You lived in Buenos Aires? Dude, I was born there! How'd you like it in BA?
BTW, you don't wanna go back there unless you can avoid or pay off the "express kidnappers". If you give them $200 they'll let you go, but try to avoid them all the same.:nervous:
And to think that I'm going back there for Christmas... well, I'll just have to be extra careful this year! ;7 :D
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You consider Britain to be part of Europe? That's funny, most Britons don't.
well, technically it is... :D
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Well, for a long time, Argentines considered Argentina to be a European country and never mind that Argentina is located in South America...
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Originally posted by Alpha
Where in Venezuela are you from Levyathan??
Err... :nervous:
That... small town just south of that ...big lake. Yeah, that's the place. :D
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Originally posted by Dr.Zer0
Maryland, USA :blah:
quickly lowers head and crawls away making as little attation as posible
What are you taking about? You're part of the majority :wtf:
I know 6 total Marylanders here so far
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Originally posted by Blue Lion
What are you taking about? You're part of the majority :wtf:
I know 6 total Marylanders here so far
w00t! Can you say "LAN Party?" :cool:
My wife would have a meltdown if it was here :rolleyes: My son would like it though :nod:
(http://www.choosemaryland.org/images/index/home_md_logo_3.gif) (http://www.choosemaryland.org/)
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So, is this Maryland a town or a state? And who was Mary?
EDIT: Nevermind, I quitted being lazy for a second and actually followed that link.
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Eastern End of Ohio.
20-25 miles west of the WV state line.
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Originally posted by penguin
w00t! Can you say "LAN Party?" :cool:
My wife would have a meltdown if it was here :rolleyes: My son would like it though :nod:
She'd get over it, I'd bring something to soften the blow, flowers, candy......earplugs :wink:
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...reservations to a nearby hotel.
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Well, hail, ahm frum nawthun' Virginny, so ah guess ahm from 'round there, too!
Well, I guess MOST Northern Virginians don't talk quite that way. But it's close.
Do they make West Virginia jokes in Maryland, too?
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Do they make West Virginia jokes in Maryland, too?
Do they ever! :D
They even make West Virginia jokes in Washington, DC! :D
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
You lived in Buenos Aires? Dude, I was born there! How'd you like it in BA?
BTW, you don't wanna go back there unless you can avoid or pay off the "express kidnappers". If you give them $200 they'll let you go, but try to avoid them all the same.:nervous:
And to think that I'm going back there for Christmas... well, I'll just have to be extra careful this year! ;7 :D
It was really cool, I was a little kid though. I did get robbed once :mad: but hey, that's life. I was really angry at my mom for making leave all of the sudden and leave my friends, my best friend's dad died the day after I left. It wasn't really a pretty scenario. I did get in contact with some people thanks to the magic of the internet :)
The city is beatiful, is really sad they are going through all that crap down there, but most of South America is in akward situations. Look at my country, Venezuela, our president is really messing everything up. Anyway, I won't get into that.
How have you been Su-t?? I haven't seen you in a while (on PXO), but that's probably because I haven't been on it either. I haven't had much time for Freespace lately, with classes and life I barely find some free time to play Xbox. Next game I'm waiting for is Robotech: Battlecry. But I always take a look to see how the community is doing. Anyway, that's me...
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
Do they ever! :D
It's funny cause it's true :lol:
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
You consider Britain to be part of Europe? That's funny, most Britons don't.
The funny things is, most english people dont count england as part of britan or europe ....
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"Do they ever!
They even make West Virginia jokes in Washington, DC! "
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And the rest of the world makes jokes about the USA... :p
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Originally posted by Thunder
And to cut to the chase, I'm from Worthing, Sussex, England, Europe. Whopee :)
your british? Somewhy, I always thought you were US.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
your british? Somewhy, I always thought you were US.
I knew Thunder was from England. Do I win a prize? :)
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If you want, I can give you a COOKIE!!! WEE!! :D
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I am located at about 3900 Kilometres above planet Earth in a highly stable orbit.
3rd planet in the Sol-system, Orion-arm of the Milky Way galaxy (galactic coordinates: 75342;-4500;98432), Virgo Supercluster, not far from the Great Megalan Clouds, Universe ID: 01. :D
Stargazer.
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
BTW, you don't wanna go back there unless you can avoid or pay off the "express kidnappers". If you give them $200 they'll let you go, but try to avoid them all the same.:nervous:
And to think that I'm going back there for Christmas... well, I'll just have to be extra careful this year! ;7 :D
geez... you think Venuezuela is bad!? Has anyone ever been to South Africa here?
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I have been to India seven or eight times since my parents are from there; somewhat dangerous (instead of getting mugged by a guy with a gun, you will get mugged by ten guys with sticks :D), but not all that bad. The funny thing is that there is no real law on the roads there. Nobody obeys any speed limit or traffic signals, people honk every three seconds for no reason (I'm serious about this), and guys go in a lane and drive in the opposite direction. (the police cannot get everyone and so they only go after some guys; if the police catch you, you can give them some money and they will go away) Also, might is right; the trucks can (and do) pretty much smash away the motorcycles, so accidents are frequent, but the police can easily be bribed. :D
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The UK is technically a European Country because it is located on the European continental plate.
The Australia SAS are the most advanced and skilled military unit on Earth. However, we only have 21million people in total in Australia, so we couldn't fight a war on our own. [size=-2]I believe Australia would be the most difficult place to defend.[/size]
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Originally posted by Stealth
geez... you think Venuezuela is bad!? Has anyone ever been to South Africa here?
Well yeah of course, I'm just saying things in South America are overall really bad :(
I know things are worse in other countries.
:)
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Originally posted by icespeed
And the rest of the world makes jokes about the USA... :p
And we make jokes about you, so? :wtf:
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Originally posted by icespeed
And the rest of the world makes jokes about the USA... :p
Originally posted by Blue Lion
And we make jokes about you, so? :wtf:
Isn't Icespeed from Australia? I don't recall hearing too many Australian jokes here in the States... We usually make more fun of the Europeans.
Now, in Argentina they especially like to make fun of Spaniards, kinda like Americans like to make fun of Poles. Like this Argentine joke:
Q: Why did the Spanish Airline stop showing in-flight movies on their flights?
A: Too many people kept walking outside for a smoke.
:D