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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: White Tiger on September 17, 2002, 12:27:29 pm
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NT
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(you edited your post...so i'm editing mine)
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAH....ahem....something screwed up really badly when I was responding.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
BFP Is an Internal sytem. 90% is Qi Gong. Thats all I did for the first 3 years was Qi Gong, Nui Gong, H'ai Gong. As well as three basic Tiger Step forms.
Its also known as the Emperors art.
But Qi Gong is power training... it's not a martial art...
And Kung-Fu is not internal either... it's all external. It's a "hard" style, even though it may look softer, it's still external.
EDIT: OK it's true that it's supposed to be a Southern Chinese Martial art (i think) and that the family that invented it was responsible for training the Emperor and keeping him well and healthy... still... i've heard it's very effective and dangerous... so it's cool that you teach it!
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meh....
as in meh???? :wtf:
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if you're going to talk martial arts then stay in here... if you're not *ahem stunaep* :D j/k then get out!
hey btw... i' ll send you the mission when i get home
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:wtf:
Hmm, you were trying to post a reply?
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Originally posted by Redfang
:wtf:
Hmm, you were trying to post a reply?
!? who?
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Originally posted by Stealth
!? who?
Thread starter, White Tiger to that martial arts thread? :wtf:
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i do NOT know what you're talking about! explain in more detail!
EDIT: He started the thread out talking about martial arts... then i posted a reply, but by that time he'd edited his post and put "NT" in its place, so i edited mine too, cause it didn't make sense out of context :D
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I spend most of my time Fredding (Or dreaming up ways to make missions) for FS2...
When I have time I track down obscure anime for games and play MW4 Black Knight.
Occasionally I log on to EQ till I get frustrated. I got bored with Dune halfway through...
I modded Baldur's Gate II to have my party be "The Slayers" from Anime. Comp got wiped so 3 weeks of audio/video captured went down the drain...
Hmmmm that was months ago.
No I don't play any other games
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
I got bored with Dune halfway through...
Dune? The original DUNE?
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This is quite funny actually...heehee.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
This is quite funny actually...heehee.
yeah, this thread is completely OT right now (off-topic)...
let's stick with the HEY STEALTH thread :D (and keep it on-topic hahah lol :D)
you didn't answer what i said in my second reply on this thread!
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You can have arts that are both internal and external. Ba'qua is an internal art with combative elements. Tai Chi is an internal that has 2 man fighting forms.
External arts such as Northeren, karate and Tae Quon Doe have very few soft elements and is very strenuous on the body. I was very external for a loooong time....My body payed the price. Thats why I switched purely to WT.
WT is Primarily for longevity and health....however combatively it is can be effective as well.
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Weeeeeee! Off-topic, what do i play? Meh....go look at the super old posts, you'll find this exact same topic I remember posting in.
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I play the Robotech Mod for FS2, model, play America's Army: Operations and sometimes play IL-2 or Jane's F/A-18.
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I'm recently interested in the Battlefield 1942... I also play Warcraft3... things will of course be different when those games are finished
(among other games more and less obvious)
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Too many to list. Call me a bored, relatively rich kid.
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We don't post "NT" posts here bud... its all about content... and... wallpaper samples!! and dancing leprichons and bad spelling
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:wtf: mmkay... :wtf:
Meh, I play Archspace. My computer is so awful that I can't play anything other. Besides, Archspace is very good.
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Playing a little Mafia and a little UT2k3.
Will be downloading NOLF 2 demo later this week. :nod:
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white tiger, please edit your post to remove those images. Thank you.
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I play war games. You know, recruiting an army of willing but somewhat dim soldiers who don't understand anything beyond a few political buzzwords, but are willing to die for 'em, developing biological weapons, laying siege to small cities and sending out decimation orders... that sort of thing.
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Let's see...
Ballistics
Civilization 3
Freespace 2
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
Tribes 2
Unreal Tournament
UT 2003 demo (waiting for the full game to come out)
a couple of older games, circa 1993-95
Anyone know when UT 2003 and/or Unreal 2 will be released? (and of course the one I am really waiting for, Deus Ex 2, but that is still a while off)
Dune? The original DUNE?
You know, I just started playing that yesterday since I never got to play it when it first came out, and I want to see what the game is like. (although I played through Dune 2 about a hundred times :D)
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d@mn.. this thread is one giant, flying, child-molesting, circus...
so senor tigre de blanco was attemping to post a reply to another thread, the thread "Hey, Stealth" also known as the "Public PM to stealth thread" :) and he "accidently" (;)) post a new topic. Am i correct?
anyways, other games (games other than fs/fs2 i presume) uh.. WarcraftIII, starcraft.. thinking of buyin Op Flashpoint Gold with my next pay.. after i buy Disturbed's new Cd of course :D
that's bout it... i barley have time to play those games, and hardly at all to actually say i play any others.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
You can have arts that are both internal and external. Ba'qua is an internal art with combative elements. Tai Chi is an internal that has 2 man fighting forms.
External arts such as Northeren, karate and Tae Quon Doe have very few soft elements and is very strenuous on the body. I was very external for a loooong time....My body payed the price. Thats why I switched purely to WT.
WT is Primarily for longevity and health....however combatively it is can be effective as well.
yes, but all martial arts have some internal and some external...
look at Tai Chi for example... the "mother" of internal... it's practiced very soft, but in combat it's the most powerful martial art there is! Therefore in its attack, and in defense, it's an external martial art... but that doesn't make it an external martial art... because most of it is STILL internal!
Same with karate. some of the katas may be very soft, but that doesn't make it an 'internal' art... because it's mostly external... hard elements
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Actually the principle is in applied thought in Practice.
If you apply the same attributes of one martial art into another that art is no longer constrained to its earlier limitations.
Now. White Tiger is an Internal Art. Is has existed in its current form for 380 Years. IT is the most complete system of Martial arts that I have ever encountered.
Many outsiders will attempt to label it, yet that label will remain inaccurate.
That is unfortunate ...yet it will not change. People feel they need to catagorize elements for their own comfort.
TRUE systems have external AND internal. By true I mean complete Shaolin systems.
18 hand forms
18 two man forms
45 weapon forms
100 various mediations (Standing, sitting, lying, hidden combination breath 2 man an so on)
Iron Palm, (Shattering, springing, Fireyand burning)
Iron Jaket
Point Striking
and most important The knowledge to heal.
This is what a system of kung-fu is based on.
That is what WT is based on.
Karate is Primarily an extenal art
Tai chi is primarily an internal Art
White Tiger by definition of the Family Grandmaster is Internal.
It is a system.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
Karate is Primarily an extenal art
Tai chi is primarily an internal Art
White Tiger by definition of the Family Grandmaster is Internal.
It is a system.
yes, but note the "PRIMARILY"... that's my point... if an art is PRIMARILY internal, then it's an internal art... and vice-versa. most if not all martial arts use internal AND external.
You say by definition of the Family Grandmaster... you've got to remember that just because someone defines it as internal doesn't mean it is. Masters all over the world will say their martial art they teach is 'based on' or 'is' internal, just because they want to show theirs is the best. I'm not saying the Grandmaster was doing it for this reason, but i still believe that any form of Kung-Fu is external... There ARE only three internals, and even though White Tiger uses a little bit of internal doesn't mean it's an internal... and if it is, it's not recognized as one, which it should be!
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Originally posted by White Tiger
TRUE systems have external AND internal. By true I mean complete Shaolin systems.
EXACTLY what i'm saying... but what they PRIMARILY use categorizes them internal or external, soft or hard
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well Northern would be primarily External
Wing tsun is a Style not a system. It has very few internal elements.
18 Daoist Palms is based primarily on Qi Gong and Nui Gong, yet is an Iron Plam sytem....its is very 50/50.
Bak Mei is Similar to WT in its motions and use of ging and segmented breathing meditations.
You see WT Starts with a basic stepping form, a Seated meditation, a standing meditation and several combative motions.
Is it external due to the Fighting application? Only at that moment when one does not apply meditative action with the motion. Is it only an internal art?
only when the mediation is not combined with the combattive thought process.
As I said. Wt is Primarily an internal system. yet I don't seek to limit it or myself.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
Iron Palm, (Shattering, springing, Fireyand burning)
Iron Jaket.
which is perfect to park cars :lol:
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Great fire the perfect cocktail Ice as well.
I Take it you've seen Shaolin Soccer eh?
I Howled at that movie
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Originally posted by White Tiger
Great fire the perfect cocktail Ice as well.
I Take it you've seen Shaolin Soccer eh?
I Howled at that movie
It was good, very fun.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
well Northern would be primarily External
Wing tsun is a Style not a system. It has very few internal elements.
As I said. Wt is Primarily an internal system. yet I don't seek to limit it or myself.
then why is White Tiger not recognized as Internal!?
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Who doesn't recognize it as an internal system?
you've got to remember that just because someone defines it as internal doesn't mean it is. Masters all over the world will say their martial art they teach is 'based on' or 'is' internal, just because they want to show theirs is the best. I'm not saying the Grandmaster was doing it for this reason, but i still believe that any form of Kung-Fu is external.
First...how can you even attempt to label an art you have never trained? Thats is extraordinarily judgemental.
No one knew about it. Not until 1967.
Doesn't mean it isn't.
Its one of the purest forms of authentic Martial arts in the world.
As I said...who doesn't recognize it as a Internal System?
Someone who has never trained it? You should read its history and roots, It may suprise you. You should consider training it before telling me what it is and isn't.
Just because someone else that has never even seen WT Inner Aclchemy says its not Internal doesn't mean it isn't.
Look up Terry Dunn. He is the one that began teaching WT Qi Gong to the public.
There are actually quite a few people nowadays that have become familiar with WT. If you haven't heard it as an internal system...don't worry...you will.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
Who doesn't recognize it as an internal system?
you've got to remember that just because someone defines it as internal doesn't mean it is. Masters all over the world will say their martial art they teach is 'based on' or 'is' internal, just because they want to show theirs is the best. I'm not saying the Grandmaster was doing it for this reason, but i still believe that any form of Kung-Fu is external.
First...how can you even attempt to label an art you have never trained? Thats is extraordinarily judgemental.
No one knew about it. Not until 1967.
Doesn't mean it isn't.
Its one of the purest forms of authentic Martial arts in the world.
As I said...who doesn't recognize it as a Internal System?
Someone who has never trained it? You should read its history and roots, It may suprise you. You should consider training it before telling me what it is and isn't.
Just because someone else that has never even seen WT Inner Aclchemy says its not Internal doesn't mean it isn't.
Look up Terry Dunn. He is the one that began teaching WT to the public.
I've never trained in White Crane, no, but nonetheless, it's still Kung Fu, and Kung Fu IS external... sure Kung Fu uses internal, but it's primarily external, and that's why it's universally known to be EXTERNAL... it doesn't have healing aspects, etc. such as the orthodox three internal sister arts do.
Bagua is internal... that should be obvious because it's different from other martial arts by extremes, as are Hsing-I and Tai Chi.
Perhaps White Crane uses internal more than most externals, and i admit i've never trained in it, and i don't know anyone personally that does, but compared to TRUE internal arts i'm sure it's not even close!
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Originally posted by White Tiger
If you haven't heard it as an internal system...don't worry...you will.
that's very possible... i'm just saying i haven't heard it to be internal, but if you say so *shrugs*
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I don't Train White Crane. It is an external Martial art. Very External
I Train White Tiger.
It is Different From Anything else I have ever Trained Except Ba'qua and Yang Tai Chi (It use the Ging force similar to yang)
but compared to TRUE internal arts i'm sure it's not even close!
I think it would be best that we compare how and what we train before you judge it. Its not what you are imagining obviously.
Well....whatever. I shouldn't try to convince someone who does not wish to listen.
Is you are interested in what I do. Great. Of you are offended by what I do. Sorry.
Is your system is superior to mine. Maybe.
Is White Tiger Internal or external? It is what you will label something you have never seen.
Its funny... I trained with my friends and compared we learned from each other becuase of our similarities.... And they practiced only Tai Chi and Ba'qua.
Anyways...I guess we are not to compatible...since our arts are so aparently different.
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Here is something to consider
It is also true, because of certain historical events, that nowadays the Internal school of thought focuses on not only self defense and external manifestations of ability, such as strength, stamina, flexibility and physical prowess, but also explores the inside of the practitioner’s development. Internal kung fu strengthens the internal organs and circulatory systems. It increases lymphatic circulation to aid the practitioner in removing toxins from the body more rapidly. It improves focus of mind and concentration of intellect. We also learn to apply the principles of Yin and Yang and the Five Elements, principles of redirection, absorption and reflection, evasion and entrapment, etc. These lessons are just as applicable strategically in a business meeting as they are in self defense and confrontation. A person need only be taught their essence of expression in the practical sense. This is also part of Internal kung fu.
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Just another thing....you do realize that WT is Taoist...not Buddist...right?
Its creator Dropped garbs of the Shaolin in 1664 and became Daoist. WT wasn't even c reated until he left the Daioist temple. Its is an Internal art Geographically and philisophically.
Its by definition an internal art.
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i'm not trying to offend you... i realize that you know White Tiger (sorry, i didn't mean White Crane, it was a typing mistake, but i think i was getting confused, since i'm more familiar with White Crane than White Tiger (by far) :) lol), and if you say it's an internal style then i believe you, i'm just saying i haven't heard of it being, but since you know a lot more about it than me, then i believe you! i am willing to listen and reason!
It is also true, because of certain historical events, that nowadays the Internal school of thought focuses on not only self defense and external manifestations of ability, such as strength, stamina, flexibility and physical prowess, but also explores the inside of the practitioner’s development. Internal kung fu strengthens the internal organs and circulatory systems. It increases lymphatic circulation to aid the practitioner in removing toxins from the body more rapidly. It improves focus of mind and concentration of intellect. We also learn to apply the principles of Yin and Yang and the Five Elements, principles of redirection, absorption and reflection, evasion and entrapment, etc. These lessons are just as applicable strategically in a business meeting as they are in self defense and confrontation. A person need only be taught their essence of expression in the practical sense. This is also part of Internal kung fu.
i knew that... i am aware of the benefits of internal training (especially Tai Chi) and their mental, physical, and psychological benefits! I'm not too familiar with internal as i am external, even though i'm currently practicing Bagua, it's only been for a few months, and i've done external (Karate, Tae Kwon Do, some forms of Kung Fu) for years and years now.
I'm sure you're right about White Tiger being an internal, i just say i haven't heard of being... i'm not arguing, i'm discussing :D
But i do believe you, no offense
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Sorry...sorry....I'm in a serious depression right nowjavascript:smilie(':sigh:')
sigh...and my meditation is not even helping. I can only practice the Long form right now because I cannot sit and flow.
I am very saddened by so many things around right now...its hard to focus.
I am also very defenssive about my art...its a true passion for me.
I should have explained in more detail what WT was and its history.
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Other games?
Noctis
Orbiter
Star Trek: Birdge Commander
Conquest: Frontier Wars
Not much more for the time being.
(You may want to check my sig for the adresses to Noctis and Orbiter)
Stargazer.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
I'm in a serious depression right ...and my meditation is not even helping. I can only practice the Long form right now because I cannot sit and flow.
I am very saddened by so many things around right now...its hard to focus.
you should practice Tai Chi
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Yes...thats our Long form. Its the Doo Family Tai chi set. Thats what I am currently Praticing. Just to stay mellow.
Qi Gong is to dangerous when the mind and body are to unbalanced. It can injure the internal organs.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
Yes...thats our Long form. Its the Doo Family Tai chi set. Thats what I am currently Praticing. Just to stay mellow.
Qi Gong is to dangerous when the mind and body are to unbalanced. It can injure the internal organs.
i don't do Qi Gong straight out, i'm not too familiar with it either.
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I'll play any game that doesn't suck.
currently its been FS2, Starlancer and Metal Gear Solid(PC). I just downloaded Orbitier to give it a try.
And Stealth, don't break this thread, alright;)
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Half Life mods; Firearms, Day of Defeat, and TFC mostly
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Tic Tac Toe and Brunswick ProBowling 0wn!