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Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: deep_eyes on September 19, 2002, 12:28:04 pm
An except from: MSNBC News (http://www.msnbc.com/news/809766.asp?pne=msn)



:D :D :D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: heretic on September 19, 2002, 02:06:41 pm
it's no big secret the gov't's been testing anti-grav tech, and it's been proven to be possible, although not working very well :nervous:
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Mad Bomber on September 19, 2002, 02:30:31 pm
I wonder if the whole Area 51 thing has anything to do with the Nazca lines or the Ica Stones... (very interesting topic to say the least)
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on September 19, 2002, 02:40:10 pm
Area 51, also known as dreamland.  Where we develop and test our new technologies.  The original home of the stealth fighter and stealth bomber.  Here's the thing, how long had the government denied the existence or each aircraft, as compared to how long Revell and Monogram were putting out plastic models of them?  I think that what actually happens is that the american public gets desensitized to the existence of such projects.  When it is finally released, we say, well duh, why did you think we didn't know.  Now the big question, why desensitize us before hand?  Is there reason, or are they keeping our attention focused elsewhere.  Right now they deny the existence of the SR-92 Aurora, they've just quit denying the existence of the Switchblade.  In a few years they will acknowledge that yes the Aurora does in fact exist and that yes it is the reason for the "donuts on a rope" contrails that we have seen.  Why is our attention being focused elsewhere?  Or is that just an effect of secrecy.  We pay attention to it and dig.  Maybe there is nothing else going on, maybe there is.  People better than me at conspiracy theorization can figure that out.
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: deep_eyes on September 19, 2002, 03:09:17 pm
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Originally posted by heretic
it's no big secret the gov't's been testing anti-grav tech, and it's been proven to be possible, although not working very well :nervous:



U got some proof? i wanna see that!
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Nico on September 19, 2002, 06:05:10 pm
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
BLABLABLA.


switchblade?

edit: nevermind, I found infos about  it ( man it's ugly).
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on September 19, 2002, 06:12:37 pm
shown with rudder or with reaction control valves?
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Nico on September 19, 2002, 06:41:44 pm
no idea what you're talking about (anyway, if you make a search for switchblade bird of prey on gopogle, you'll find 50 times the same pics on different sites, so that should answer your question ). it's an ugly piece of plane, that's all. can't believe they made that fly :doubt:
I hope for the USAF sake that those pics are nowhere near what the real thing is :p
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Carl on September 19, 2002, 08:33:07 pm
what i want to know is why everyone is trying to find this stuff out. it's kept secret for a reason, so unless you are a spy or something, it's better to not try and uncover these secrets.
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Alikchi on September 19, 2002, 08:49:55 pm
Bah, with all the attention Area 51 gets, I figure that the U.S. moved all the secret stuff to somewhere else a long time ago. Area 51 is still there because it draws people away from the new facilities like moths to a flame.
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CP5670 on September 19, 2002, 08:50:00 pm
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Lazar claimed that the government was studying the propulsion system of the spacecraft, which were flown to Earth from the Zeta Reticuli star system. According to Lazar, the Reticulans have been overseeing human evolution for a hundred centuries, and since they were found out, they have been cooperating with the U.S. government on a direct exchange of technology.


Now this is quite a joke... :D :lol: :D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Kamikaze on September 19, 2002, 08:53:51 pm
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Originally posted by CP5670


Now this is quite a joke... :D :lol: :D


and I always wonder how people can believe the media.... :lol:
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: WMCoolmon on September 19, 2002, 09:35:41 pm
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"Lazar claimed that the government was studying the propulsion system of the spacecraft, which were flown to Earth from the Zeta Reticuli star system. According to Lazar, the Reticulans have been overseeing human evolution for a hundred centuries, and since they were found out, they have been cooperating with the U.S. government on a direct exchange of technology."

-From "Common Topics of Human Conversation", Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

;)
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on September 19, 2002, 09:46:43 pm
why am i looking at this stuff? i like airplanes.
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Bobboau on September 19, 2002, 10:04:03 pm
the "switchblade" :rolleyes:
http://www.geocities.com/jkpete106/aircraft/pictures/Switch_1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/jkpete106/aircraft/pictures/Switch_2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/jkpete106/aircraft/pictures/Switch_3.jpg
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Cannikin on September 20, 2002, 02:08:26 am
No one in the government or military would call it Area 51. In the days of the Nevada Test Site, they divided sections of base into areas and designated them with numbers. This area just happened to be area number 51. They don't call them by these numbers anymore. So yes this place does exist, yes it used to be called area (or section) 51, and no aliens did not come here.
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Sandwich on September 20, 2002, 04:29:18 pm
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Originally posted by Cannikin
...and no aliens did not come here.


"Here"?? As in Earth, or as in Area 51? Where are you, anyway? :wtf:


;)
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CODEDOG ND on September 20, 2002, 05:29:55 pm
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Originally posted by venom2506
no idea what you're talking about (anyway, if you make a search for switchblade bird of prey on gopogle, you'll find 50 times the same pics on different sites, so that should answer your question ). it's an ugly piece of plane, that's all. can't believe they made that fly :doubt:
I hope for the USAF sake that those pics are nowhere near what the real thing is :p


And some say the AC-130 Spectre gunship is ugly, but to enemy ground units...well, their dead. :D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Nico on September 20, 2002, 05:50:37 pm
lol, this thing is useful only against non armed people :D a single sam and babye, your plane full of guns :p
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CODEDOG ND on September 20, 2002, 05:52:50 pm
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Originally posted by venom2506
lol, this thing is useful only against non armed people :D a single sam and babye, your plane full of guns :p

That's why you do it 25,000 feet! :P
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Cannikin on September 20, 2002, 06:11:38 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich


"Here"?? As in Earth, or as in Area 51? Where are you, anyway? :wtf:


;)


Oh crap, I've said too much! Um, I'm afraid I can't let you leave now with this information... :D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Unknown Target on September 20, 2002, 06:14:23 pm
No one can leave HLP...:D

Anyways, I bet you the most secret place on Earth is Area 49. After all, if there's an A51, gotta be a A49:D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Nico on September 20, 2002, 07:53:30 pm
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
No one can leave HLP...:D

Anyways, I bet you the most secret place on Earth is Area 49. After all, if there's an A51, gotta be a A49:D


what about the area1? :p
Title: You forgot...
Post by: Star Dragon on September 20, 2002, 09:33:20 pm
It's called Hangar 18... Aroura I heard had too many problems and that's why they scrapped it and went to switchblade... the discovery channel is a jewel of info... As for the antigravity, there was a documentry about some sort of mag lev and the Air force test pilot was on a bogey board with controls on top of a old lady's walker mounted on it :)

I am more concered with teh rumored real mech being built in Japan...
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CODEDOG ND on September 20, 2002, 10:07:31 pm
A mech?  Bah! In this day and age a mech would be far our classed compared to the newest and fastest tanks.  Mechs just aren't practical for this day and age.
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: deep_eyes on September 21, 2002, 07:52:32 pm
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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
A mech?  Bah! In this day and age a mech would be far our classed compared to the newest and fastest tanks.  Mechs just aren't practical for this day and age.



???Mech's???;7

yippie! but it be nice to see some exo-armor like in the spider man movie, i think that armor would be so cool if that was the new Green Beret Armor lol.
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: IceFire on September 21, 2002, 09:01:31 pm
Not if they were really flexible and computer controlled to move across varied terrain quickly.  I can envision some unique ways to get around that would outclass tanks in certain environments.

Switchblade is a neat looking plane.  I love its new age stealth design.  Looks like the F-22, the JSF and the other aircraft that are currently being developed.  With the jagged edge stealth lines....awesome :)
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CODEDOG ND on September 21, 2002, 09:43:06 pm
Yes, but the size of a mech which is about 40 feet high, in this day and time couldn't reach 50-60 kph even with a turbine diesel.  Just not going to happen, unless you had some sort of nuclear powered reactor to maintain a mass amount of energy to it.  I do think they would be cool, but we just lack the right power source to supply one.
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Nico on September 22, 2002, 05:52:39 am
meh, japanese mecha are not all 40 feet high, stop thinking mechwarrior is the universal reference :p
in urban fights, a mech would kick any tank, but still, in urban fight, a lone soldier with a RPG would kick any vehicle, so...
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CODEDOG ND on September 22, 2002, 09:39:43 am
Ok...I'm going to state this once in all caps, but I am not yelling.

RPG'S WILL NOT PIERCE HEAVY TANK ARMOR!!!.

There. :p
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Fineus on September 22, 2002, 09:50:40 am
They would if you shot it into the enterance port ;)
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CODEDOG ND on September 22, 2002, 09:52:55 am
But that's not likely to happen.  :)
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Fineus on September 22, 2002, 09:54:54 am
Never say never... unless someone offers you a couple of million dollars to say it ;)
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Nico on September 22, 2002, 10:10:05 am
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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
Ok...I'm going to state this once in all caps, but I am not yelling.

RPG'S WILL NOT PIERCE HEAVY TANK ARMOR!!!.

There. :p

yeah, and a heavy tank in a city is sure useful :p
anyway, shoot at the tracks, and see if it'll do nothing :p
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CODEDOG ND on September 22, 2002, 12:56:31 pm
They don't need the tracks, they can run without them. :p
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Nico on September 22, 2002, 01:08:11 pm
yeah, i wanna see a 4 tons heavey tank running w/o tracks. anyway, the tracks wouldn't be the only things to "vanish" in the little firey cloud :p
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CP5670 on September 22, 2002, 01:10:03 pm
no real point of tanks or mechs these days; you have planes for surgical strikes and ICBMs for mass kills. :D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Galemp on September 22, 2002, 04:49:55 pm
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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
RPG'S WILL NOT PIERCE HEAVY TANK ARMOR!!!.
 


'Specially with that new electrified armor the British have cooked up.
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Knight Templar on September 22, 2002, 11:01:06 pm
I was reading this Area 51 / gov. conspiracy site the other night.. almost had me goin too, untill Franky Roseavelt was visited by 3 different alien delagations... and then the part about how JFK was shot by his driver who was an alien assasain... :rolleyes:


btw, do they have "government conspiracies" in other countires beside america? or is it a good ol' Freedom of speach thing ;)
Title: I had this idea when I saw the Harrier
Post by: Star Dragon on September 22, 2002, 11:06:45 pm
Over 15 years ago I was in Jhs or HS and saw that falklans thing go down and was my first glimpse of the harrier jump jet (clever British ;) ) anyway at that moment I said Hmm VTOL? Why not go all the way, we now have plane and guardian mode, give it a robot urban fighting transformation and you got a LAM? If you need to engage ground targets or shoot the missiles from the ground mount extra weapon pods ABOVE the wings not below so the weapons fire has clearence to engage. I thought I was a genius back then :cool:

Then I took the blue pill...
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Knight Templar on September 22, 2002, 11:22:34 pm
lol

* dreams of one day seeing an ORCA at an airshow*

*dreams of building it with legos ;)*
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CP5670 on September 22, 2002, 11:29:23 pm
Some guy actually did that once; I remember seeing a Lego orca model after the C&C fashion somewhere on the internet...
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Knight Templar on September 22, 2002, 11:30:21 pm
Find it and i'll bake some cookies :D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Sandwich on September 23, 2002, 08:06:55 am
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Originally posted by venom2506

yeah, and a heavy tank in a city is sure useful :p
anyway, shoot at the tracks, and see if it'll do nothing :p


Yeah, that'll break the tread, but those can be field-replaced in 5 minutes if the crew knows what they're doing. :nod:

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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
They don't need the tracks, they can run without them. :p


No, they can't. The only "wheel" connected to the engine is not touching the ground.

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Originally posted by venom2506
yeah, i wanna see a 4 tons heavey tank running w/o tracks. anyway, the tracks wouldn't be the only things to "vanish" in the little firey cloud :p


4-ton tank? Wow - must be some sort of anti-gravity armor... and hull... and electronics.... and crew.... and ammo.... ;) Your average tank is around the 70-80 ton range, FYI. The M113 APC is 35 tons. The turret-less tanks I used to ride around in were 52 tons. Dang, they were fun. :D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Nico on September 23, 2002, 08:29:35 am
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Originally posted by Sandwich

4-ton tank? Wow - must be some sort of anti-gravity armor... and hull... and electronics.... and crew.... and ammo.... ;) Your average tank is around the 70-80 ton range, FYI. The M113 APC is 35 tons. The turret-less tanks I used to ride around in were 52 tons. Dang, they were fun. :D


that was a wild guess, it proves my point even more ;)
and I wanna see the crew change the tracks in the middle of the street when they just suffered from RPG attack :p. you've played renegade, you know what happens when you go out of the tank to repair? "snipe" :D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Sandwich on September 23, 2002, 08:37:43 am
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Originally posted by venom2506


that was a wild guess, it proves my point even more ;)
and I wanna see the crew change the tracks in the middle of the street when they just suffered from RPG attack :p. you've played renegade, you know what happens when you go out of the tank to repair? "snipe" :D


Bah - are you even hinting at comparing Renegade to reality? :wtf: I've also "played" reality in Jenin; we didn't dare stick our heads out of the hatches. But on the one occasion when people needed to be outside, well, have you ever heard of coordinated cover fire? ;7 Or even better, making an example. We have APC-mounted gattling guns - 0.7" IIRC - that were originally created as an anti-air platform. But you'd be amazed at what they can do to reinforced concrete, especially when each bullet/shell has 2/3rds the explosive force of a Mk. 4 Fragmentation Grenade, and it spews them out at around 7000 rounds per minute... ;7 ;7 ;7 Remember, in real life, dead is dead - there's no such thing as respawning.

EDIT: Corrected the explosive force of the gattling gun bullets. :D
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Knight Templar on September 23, 2002, 08:51:58 am
wow sandwhich , i have a new found respect for you, as if i could have any more ;)
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Sandwich on September 23, 2002, 10:57:31 am
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
wow sandwhich , i have a new found respect for you, as if i could have any more ;)


:nervous: What did I do?? :nervous:
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Nico on September 23, 2002, 11:40:02 am
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Originally posted by Sandwich


Bah - are you even hinting at comparing Renegade to reality? :wtf: I've also "played" reality in Jenin; we didn't dare stick our heads out of the hatches. But on the one occasion when people needed to be outside, well, have you ever heard of coordinated cover fire? ;7 Or even better, making an example. We have APC-mounted gattling guns - 0.7" IIRC - that were originally created as an anti-air platform. But you'd be amazed at what they can do to reinforced concrete, especially when each bullet/shell has 2/3rds the explosive force of a Mk. 4 Fragmentation Grenade, and it spews them out at around 7000 rounds per minute... ;7 ;7 ;7 Remember, in real life, dead is dead - there's no such thing as respawning.

EDIT: Corrected the explosive force of the gattling gun bullets. :D


meh, that was just a pun :p
I'm not stupid enough to compare a game to real life :p
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: Knight Templar on September 23, 2002, 05:32:34 pm
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What did I do??



See above :p
Title: Area 51, Truth seekers 0
Post by: CODEDOG ND on September 24, 2002, 08:13:58 pm
What?  Are you saying life isn't like Grand Theft Auto 3!?!?!?!  Awww...and I was about to go steal a 400,000 dollar car and kill some cops and get me a couple of naked prositutes!  :(

And my bad, thinking of something else that could run without the tracks then...hhmmmm  don't remeber what is was though.  :blah: