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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stryke 9 on September 21, 2002, 01:44:21 pm
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Just heard about this, apparently it's console and (as far as I can tell) non-Volition. Anyone know anything about it?
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how good was the first one?
My friend burned it for me but i never got around to playing it and it was like half a Gig big :eek:
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wasn't bad, but way too short, and as they refused to correct an issue about cheating (well, they've corrected it a couple months ag I think, but it's about a year too late now...), :V: ruined the multiplayer.
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Originally posted by venom2506
wasn't bad, but way too short, and as they refused to correct an issue about cheating (well, they've corrected it a couple months ag I think, but it's about a year too late now...), :V: ruined the multiplayer.
It wasn't necessarily V's fault, the blame can be put on THQ as well. (you can't blame a developer for not maing a patch, it's the publisher that decides these things)
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
It wasn't necessarily V's fault, the blame can be put on THQ as well. (you can't blame a developer for not maing a patch, it's the publisher that decides these things)
true, but I couldn't remember THQ's name lol
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Consoles suck. They ruin the fun for PC gamers. (Halo, GTA: Vice City and now RF 2)
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I liked RF1... it's so sad that RF2 won't come to PC
Then again... maybe the PS2 emulator works afterall ;7
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what he said
hey can anyone hook me up with the game and emulator
i'de pay the shipping on the game i really wanna try out the game
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Umm the emulator is not quite finished yet... according to my knowledge
err... wait a sec.
http://www.ngemu.com/
This is a top notch emulation site... :nod:
They share the new information, the emulators and plugins for them BUT they do not share BIOS files. Remember, you can legally own a BIOS file only if you own the console itself. This however does not prevent you for finding the BIOS file by using other methods anyway...
But I just wanted to make sure that I'm not sharing any Warez here :wink:
Hey whaddayaknow they had released something
http://pcsx2.ngemu.com/
This is the PS2 emulator site... as far as I know
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Consoles suck. They ruin the fun for PC gamers. (Halo, GTA: Vice City and now RF 2)
Indeed, as far as those games go. But don't blame consoles - blame the publishers.
I've revised my opinion of consoles somewhat lately having played a friends copy of Super Smash Bros for the Gamecube for some time, it's really very fun and could never be emulated on the PC with the same kind of atmosphere.
Suffice to say, it's the publishers fault for releasing games on the console rather than the PC first - and money is what drives them to do that...
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True
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Originally posted by Thunder
and money is what drives them to do that...
so... blame money... again :D
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Originally posted by Gortef
so... blame money... again :D
[homer] Mmmmm...money... [/homer]
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I don't see the point in consoles anyway. For $300 you get a machine, with sub-PC graphics, whit what you can play games, and watch DVDs and that's it.
For the $900 an average PC costs, you get top-notch graphics, which get better and better every day, plus, almost every PC, at least here, comes with either a CD-R or a DVD drive, you also get tons more of utilities, and the Internet.
Try to access HLP on a Gamecube.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Try to access HLP on a Gamecube.
You need a plumber-guy for that. :p
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Come to think of it - why hasnt the PC tried to assimilate the console anyway? All you'd need to do is make a controler and a game which runs itself as long as the specs of the system are good enough to run it (if better.. horray).
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Consoles suck. They ruin the fun for PC gamers. (Halo, GTA: Vice City and now RF 2)
:rolleyes:
Theres a simple solution to that problem: BUY A ****ING CONSOLE!!!
Quit whining about it.
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
:rolleyes:
Theres a simple solution to that problem: BUY A ****ING CONSOLE!!!
Quit whining about it.
yeah, already bought a PC, upgraded it like hell for the past few years, likewise we all have enough money to buy a console and the games ( you won't buy a console just for one game right?)
Stunaep: the point about consoles? easy: they're cheaper, you can easily bring your PS2 to your friend's place, it's super easy to use, no virus, no compatibility problems (save for zones, of course, but that's on purpose ), etc etc.
Why I don't have a console then? I don't like pads, and I don't like console games usually. Won't buy a console for 2 or 3 games that interest me. But I understand very well why some people prefer consoles to computers ( especially after my 2 months with the PC down because of stupid pbs ).
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Originally posted by Stunaep
I don't see the point in consoles anyway. For $300 you get a machine, with sub-PC graphics, whit what you can play games, and watch DVDs and that's it.
Final Fantasy X graphics are hardly sub-PC. They are better then most PC games.
For the $900 an average PC costs, you get top-notch graphics, which get better and better every day, plus, almost every PC, at least here, comes with either a CD-R or a DVD drive, you also get tons more of utilities, and the Internet.
I got internet on my PS2! Final Fantasy XI will be an online RPG.
Try to access HLP on a Gamecube.
*cough*PS2*cough*
AND you don't have BSoD!
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But the PS2 is the only one that can do that... it also relies on a few good core games and a lot of ****e ones (although being fair that can be said of most consoles... PCs too to a certain extent).
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Console games cannot be "modded;" that alone is enough for me. :p (although numerous other deficiencies exist)
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Originally posted by CP5670
Console games cannot be "modded;" that alone is enough for me. :p (although numerous other deficiencies exist)
For once, I whole-heartedly agree with you. If FS2 were made for a console, it would be dead long ago
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Originally posted by CP5670
Console games cannot be "modded;" that alone is enough for me. :p (although numerous other deficiencies exist)
*coughs*
*Has mods for Red Alert on the PS2 through internet*
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But how frequent are these mods? I mean are there hundreds ala PC or about 3 from dedicated fans of the game? And are they any good... anything like some of the stuff for HL and so on?
And again this is just for the PS2 remember, what about others? Game patches when there are errors etc..?
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Originally posted by Tiara
*coughs*
*Has mods for Red Alert on the PS2 through internet*
the PS2 has a HD?
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Originally posted by venom2506
the PS2 has a HD?
No... A big ass memory card.
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Originally posted by Thunder
But how frequent are these mods? I mean are there hundreds ala PC or about 3 from dedicated fans of the game? And are they any good... anything like some of the stuff for HL and so on?
And again this is just for the PS2 remember, what about others? Game patches when there are errors etc..?
I agree. In many ways the PC is much more versatile. But some of you are cracking the console down as if it were a piece of **** (wich it isn't)
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Tiara's right, it's all up to personal tastes.
You know, when I'm pissed up because of my PC ( "this file is not a correct .max file and cannot be opened" " Hard disk boot failure", all that stuff that happened to me for the few months ) I opfetn ask myself why i didn't buy a console instead :lol:
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On that I also agree - and yeah some PC owners do look on consoles as POSs, but then console people sometimes look at PCs and call them POSs for never working first time etc...
Venom has it - it's a taste thing.
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The best way to be is to have a foot in both camps :D
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Originally posted by Stunaep
I don't see the point in consoles anyway. For $300 you get a machine, with sub-PC graphics, whit what you can play games, and watch DVDs and that's it.
For the $900 an average PC costs, you get top-notch graphics, which get better and better every day, plus, almost every PC, at least here, comes with either a CD-R or a DVD drive, you also get tons more of utilities, and the Internet.
Try to access HLP on a Gamecube.
what the hell are you talking about? Compared to the equivalent Pc technology (same time of release), the console is far superior tech wise. the only difference is that PC's tend to be upgraded more often - but each upgrade can cost more than a console - £200 for a graphics card, at least £50 for another 128MB RAM, etc. Have you ever actually looked at a summary of the architecture of - for example - the Gamecube?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
what the hell are you talking about? Compared to the equivalent Pc technology (same time of release), the console is far superior tech wise. the only difference is that PC's tend to be upgraded more often - but each upgrade can cost more than a console - £200 for a graphics card, at least £50 for another 128MB RAM, etc. Have you ever actually looked at a summary of the architecture of - for example - the Gamecube?
Eh? When X-Box came, PC's had already over 2GHz processors, and video card was about as powerful... don't know about the PS2, though, but I doubt it.
That is all I have to say about this consoles vs. PC thing. :p
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yeah, but PC have a resource drain prog called windows, that makes your 2GB processor less efficient than a gamecube. make rogues squadron run smoothly on a PC with the same specs as a gamecube...
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Originally posted by Redfang
Eh? When X-Box came, PC's had already over 2GHz processors, and video card was about as powerful... don't know about the PS2, though, but I doubt it.
That is all I have to say about this consoles vs. PC thing. :p
Um...that's wrong in very real a sense. firstly, the console has vastly reduced I/O overhead. Secondly, the CPUs on both the X-box and Gamecube are optimised. In particular, I believe the X-box Pentioum has an improved pipleine to it's PC equivalent. the 2GHz P4 is nowhere near as powerful as it's GHz rating suggests - the actual architecture design has been fiddled with to give a high GHz rating, rather than to actually give a big performance boost.
Secondly, the entire operation of a console is different. for one thing, both the X-box and Gamecube have thier data bus running through the GPU, then to the CPU - effectively making the gfx processor the heart of the system... which has a major impact on the speed for memory access for textyures, et al. There are also, IIRC, different cache types and sizes, and the bus speeds can be better balanced to the CPU and GPU speeds than in a Pc....all in all, it is a far more optimised and efficient system.
Remeber, you don;t have the overheads of windows, and the various I/O drivers, et al. Your better able to work with the bare guts of the machine, so you're better equipped to optimise and improve. And when you take into account the fact that TV res is lower, it means that consoles are at least as powerful as theequivalent PC tech of the time.
Incidentally, the PS2's 'Emotion Engine' I don't really know much about, except its a sort of - I think - multi-processor system which is a ***** to develop on (as it has multiple pipelines for processing, which have to be balanced)...all I can remeber, is that it has a very small texture cache but HUGE bandwidth on the relevant bus - about 1GB/sec I think.
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True, PC's have software which decreases hardware speed.
But, X-Box CPU is worse than regular Intel Pentium 3. I know Pentium 4's are slower than 3's, but the new northwoods aren't too slow... :)
Also, you can never know how much does that "GPU is the heart" have effect on performance.
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I just thought the Xbox was just bog standard PC hardware with a few minor differences to give the illusion that it isn't (the Celeron at its heart has a 133Mhz FSB instead of the 66 or 100Mhz that Celerons usually run at, the hard drive uses deprecated ATAPI commands to prevent it working in a regular PC, the Graphics processor in its nForce chipset is a GF3 instead of the usual nForce GF2, it's USB ports use a different connector to prevent standard USB peripherals from working etc)...
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Look- with PCs you can play games, download porn and warez, or play with lens flares, and still look like you're working. Consoles can not make this claim. End. Of. Story.
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Thats why I'm always going to buy both and be done with it.
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Originally posted by Redfang
True, PC's have software which decreases hardware speed.
But, X-Box CPU is worse than regular Intel Pentium 3. I know Pentium 4's are slower than 3's, but the new northwoods aren't too slow... :)
Also, you can never know how much does that "GPU is the heart" have effect on performance.
It vastly improves graphics processing..... faster texture access obviously, as well as the pre-rendered option. i can;t remeber the x-box specs exactly - I did a project type thing on the GC architecture - but the buses will be balanced to maximise throughput to the GPU without bottlenecking the CPU access.... that's why it's done. and I think the P3 in the X-box has been made of aluminuim for improved conductivity (not sure about this one....fuzzy on this detail), and the pipelines been shortened. I think it may also have a bunch of optimisations for floating point operations, including a sepearate 10-stage pipeline (FP is very important for stuff like physics calculations, or AI). I'm not sure if they changed the Pentium ISA for it - I know the GC's Gekko CPU had several new floating Point instructions added to in particular.
Oh, and the nForce chipset is, I believe, better than a GF3, and shares some features with the GF4 series (sort of an in-between step IIRC).
Remember that both the X-box and GC in particular are fairly new - and they both have stuff like porgrammable pipleines, graphics API's (a new one in the case of the GC, although I think it's similar to OpenGL), machine code, caching, etc that the developers will have to learn before you see the machines' true power.
That said, it is worth noting that MS rejected the AMD competitor simply because it had a noiser fan.....
Sure, the X-box may now be being superceded by new PC architecture - that's the nature of technology - but consoles still remain much-underestimated.
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The only reason they're underestimated is because you can't dowload porn or warez and play with lens flares while still looking like you're working :lol:
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
The only reason they're underestimated is because you can't dowload porn or warez and play with lens flares while still looking like you're working :lol:
Consoles == playing games, haivng fun
PCs == working, jacking off at pr0n and being illegal... and having fun (just differnt fun)
there :ha:
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You cannot do math on consoles. Enough said. :p
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Originally posted by CP5670
You cannot do math on consoles. Enough said. :p
Hey, you can install linux on the PS2, I don't see why you couldn't install a calculator as well :p
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Originally posted by Stunaep
For $300 you get a machine, with sub-PC graphics
...err, where have you been? Consoles have much better graphics now than PCs will have in years.
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Originally posted by Carl
...err, where have you been? Consoles have much better graphics now than PCs will have in years.
No. let's not be ridiculous either :rolleyes:
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The solution is simple, have a PC and a console. :p
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Originally posted by Styxx
The solution is simple, have a PC and a console. :p
*has 2 PC s*
*Has PS2*
*Has Nintendo 16-bit stashed away somewhere in the basement*
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Originally posted by Styxx
The solution is simple, have a PC and a console. :p
Well. Having a console isn't enough if you want to work, but a good PC is certainly enough, unless there are some games that you must have on console (none for me). :)
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Originally posted by Redfang
Well. Having a console isn't enough if you want to work, but a good PC is certainly enough, unless there are some games that you must have on console (none for me). :)
Final Fantasy X,
Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy XII
Red Faction II
Summoner 2
Grandia Extreme
Reign of Fire
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Originally posted by Tiara
*has 2 PC s*
*Has PS2*
*Has Nintendo 16-bit stashed away somewhere in the basement*
*has 8 computers in the house*
*has PS2, Gamecube and N64*
*still has his SNES*
:p
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I have a:
Sega Master System
Sega Master System II (we got it real cheap because it didn't work. That was traced to a broken wire in the power adaptor. We got the console and all the games he had, the latter was what made the purchase worthwhile.)
Sega Mega Drive
Sony PlayStation (not mine exactly, but it's in the house) x2 (if you count the one in my PS2 :p)
Sony PlayStation 2
Nintendo 64 (Myer were practically giving these away. Now, if only I could find a copy of Goldeneye...)
3x PCs (though only one, mine, is really equipped to play games)
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damn you guys and gal have much stuff... :shaking:
I have only one PC and one PC only... no consoles... I would like to own a PS2 though :(
oh well...
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Originally posted by Gortef
I would like to own a PS2 though :(
Its more likely that the PS2 will 0wn you! ;)
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Hey, you can install linux on the PS2, I don't see why you couldn't install a calculator as well :p
I guess there is a linux version of Mathematica available and a keyboard can be connected to the PS2, but how powerful is the FPU and how much RAM is in there? You need a lot of that stuff to do calculations fast... :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
You cannot do math on consoles. Enough said. :p
You're right. Consoles it is!
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Originally posted by Levyathan
You're right. Consoles it is!
0wnage. Again.
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Originally posted by CP5670
I guess there is a linux version of Mathematica available and a keyboard can be connected to the PS2, but how powerful is the FPU and how much RAM is in there? You need a lot of that stuff to do calculations fast... :D
The CPU is a proprietary 294.912Mhz 128 bit part (developed jointly by Sony and Toshiba I believe) and it has 32Mb Direct RDRAM. A floating point performanmce figure of 6.2GFLOPs is quoted but I lost the Sony propaganda sheet to back that up. Given the fact that 3D processig is fairly floating-point heavy I'd expect it to be reasonably good in this area.
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Originally posted by Styxx
The solution is simple, have a PC and a console. :p
:nod:
but that is far too sensible (or expensive?) for most of us :devil:
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Nintendo 16bit - 4 games
Sega-20 games
Nintendo 64- 5 games
Playstation-18 games
Original Gameboy- 4 games
pocket Gameboy- 1 game
SNES-4
3DO-2-games
XBOX- 2 games
Dreamcast- many games
Playstation 2- 7games
most of them are Shared between me and My Brothers. Not all have been bought by parents most from Grandparents. Very expensive. :D
I'd say Consoles are equal to Cpu's if you could upgrade Consoles or plug consoles into cpus and make them Quicker than they already are then that would be pretty damn neat.
But Can't wait For Resident Online or Battlefield 1942
Just love resident evil. Be damned RObotech Battle cry never there when you want it.
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Originally posted by Tiara
Its more likely that the PS2 will 0wn you! ;)
:lol: