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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Unknown Target on September 25, 2002, 06:03:14 am
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Personally, I'm the yes and no type. If a mod was developed and made solely for the fun of it, I'd say sure: That's nice. Now, if that same mod was done so well or it became so popular (or both) and it was picked to become a commerial project, I'd be happy for the guy, and say that was good. After all, someone shouldn't turn down having their work published.
NOW, if a mod was developed SPECIFICALLY (sp?) to be released as a commercial project, or if a company made a mod convention (Like EA) just as a publicity stunt for their game, then THAT is selling out. What do you guys think?
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What do you mean by "commercial mod"? You mean like the retail version of CounterStrike or are you including stuff like Jedi Knight 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, Star Trek Voyager Elite Force and the countless other games who use an engine developed by another company as their base and therefore can technically be called "commercial mods"?
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Morales don't pay for food.
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
What do you mean by "commercial mod"? You mean like the retail version of CounterStrike or are you including stuff like Jedi Knight 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, Star Trek Voyager Elite Force and the countless other games who use an engine developed by another company as their base and therefore can technically be called "commercial mods"?
nah, a commercial mod= an addon.
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capitalist.
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Originally posted by wEvil
capitalist.
And proud of it! :D
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well you shouldn't be.
:D
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Originally posted by wEvil
well you shouldn't be.
:D
Pfft. Commie. :D
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bah, I'm a commie too. :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
bah, I'm a commie too. :D
And that's another reason why you suck. :D
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At least I dont attempt to support what your ideals are doing to this planet and our species as a whole.
:ha:
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Originally posted by wEvil
At least I dont attempt to support what your ideals are doing to this planet and our species as a whole.
:ha:
Meh, what did communism do of good anyway? :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
Meh, what did comunism do of good anyway? :D
it ruined USSR and killed many peoples?
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That wasn't really true communism... :p
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Yay Capitalism!
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Back on topic... :nervous:
User mods are different from expansion packs in that expansion packs often are made by the original designers with some fan submissions, include source code modifications, and are officially supported. Example: Silent Threat vs. a user made campaign with a few mods.
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¢ø/\/\/\/\uh1§/\/\ 4 |_1ƒ€!! ;7
Anyway, what do you mean by "sellout?" Something that sells well or something that is a cheap marketing technique?
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Originally posted by venom2506
it ruined USSR and killed many peoples?
If you think a fasctist dicatorship was a communist nation then you have a badly warped perception of reality.
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Originally posted by Styxx
Meh, what did communism do of good anyway? :D
More harm than good once you get past about a hundred people.
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There has not really been any real communist nation in history so far; as wEvil said, the so-called "communist" nations were/are for the most part just controlled by power-hungry dictators. :p
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Originally posted by CP5670
There has not really been any real communist nation in history so far; as wEvil said, the so-called "communist" nations were/are for the most part just controlled by power-hungry dictators. :p
So, show me a single practical example of a working communist society and maybe I'll change my view. Until then, I'll stick with good, old, work-your-ass-off-and-get-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-screwed, maket-rules-it-all capitalism.
;) :D
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Back on topic... :nervous:
User mods are different from expansion packs in that expansion packs often are made by the original designers with some fan submissions, include source code modifications, and are officially supported. Example: Silent Threat vs. a user made campaign with a few mods.
usually, as you say. couter exemple:
hellfire for diablo.
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Originally posted by Styxx
So, show me a single practical example of a working communist society and maybe I'll change my view. Until then, I'll stick with good, old, work-your-ass-off-and-get-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-screwed, maket-rules-it-all capitalism.
;) :D
should that be:
Work-Your-Ass-Off-and-corporate-aristocracy-gets-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-rewards, greed-rules-it-all capitalism.
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Originally posted by wEvil
should that be:
Work-Your-Ass-Off-and-corporate-aristocracy-gets-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-rewards, greed-rules-it-all capitalism.
If that's how it is wherever you live, that's not my problem. :D
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So, show me a single practical example of a working communist society and maybe I'll change my view. Until then, I'll stick with good, old, work-your-ass-off-and-get-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-screwed, maket-rules-it-all capitalism.
There have not been any real communist nations so far, but I am fairly certain that we will see them arise sometime before the end of humanity. Anyway, there will not be any "lazy bastards" if you make everyone work by force. :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
If that's how it is wherever you live, that's not my problem. :D
bad capitalist! *smack*
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Originally posted by CP5670
There have not been any real communist nations so far, but I am fairly certain that we will see them arise sometime before the end of humanity.
Like I care. I asked for practical examples. :p
Originally posted by CP5670
Anyway, there will not be any "lazy bastards" if you make everyone work by force. :D
Noone will work at their full potential that way, either. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by wEvil
bad capitalist! *smack*
Ouch!
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so.... Am i the only nationalist here? :D
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Like I care. I asked for practical examples. :p
I answered that twice: there are none so far. This is all theory.
Noone will work at their full potential that way, either. :rolleyes:
We do not need anyone to do that; the fact is that everyone will be working at the same rate (a rate much closer to full potential than zero capacity), and thus the average production will be greater than it would be otherwise.
Besides, there is really no reason that people will not work to their full capacity just because of this; make them work or die. :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
I answered that twice: there are none so far. This is all theory.
And that's why your statements remain completely meaningless. It was tried. It didn't work. End of story. :p
Originally posted by CP5670
We do not need anyone to do that; the fact is that everyone will be working at the same rate (a rate much closer to full potential than zero capacity), and thus the average production will be greater than it would be otherwise.
Tsk, tsk. From your assumptions, a capitalist society would still be a lot more productive. :p
Originally posted by CP5670
Besides, there is really no reason that people will not work to their full capacity just because of this; make them work or die. :D
Oh, really? Gee, talk about new concepts. :rolleyes:
Face it, communism (and socialism, for that matter) are stupid social concepts for people who can't stand the reality of a world where only your skills and effort guarantee your survival. A regime of - and for - cowards and incompetents, if you want a better analogy. The only situation where a socialist system would work properly is one where any and all production is completely automated, relieving human beings from the need to work. In any other situation, it is not only impractical, it is impossible.
Oh, and let's stop this. Back to topic, or the thread gets owned. ;)
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Communism; Capitalism; I dont like either.;)
Stargazer.
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community doing mod for money = bad (ala HL:CS) - it is good if you can get the mod for free if you pay for the game. If you have standalone CS, you should be shot anyways.
company doing mod for money = good (ala HL:OpFor)
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And that's why your statements remain completely meaningless. It was tried. It didn't work. End of story.
Remind me when it was tried. :p
Tsk, tsk. From your assumptions, a capitalist society would still be a lot more productive.
How so?
Oh, really? Gee, talk about new concepts.
so...what is your point? :rolleyes:
Face it, communism (and socialism, for that matter) are stupid social concepts for people who can't stand the reality of a world where only your skills and effort guarantee your survival. A regime of - and for - cowards and incompetents, if you want a better analogy. The only situation where a socialist system would work properly is one where any and all production is completely automated, relieving human beings from the need to work. In any other situation, it is not only impractical, it is impossible.
Actually, the same could be said about capitalism: capitalism is a stupid social concept for people who can't stand the reality of a holistic universe and who attempt to differentiate between themselves and their surroundings. A regime of - and for - cowards and incompetents, if you want a better analogy. :D
Besides, all production is completely automated even now, and has always been so; the humans are the automatons, and by using the right methods, they can be controlled and herded easily. If you like freedom, become an anarchist or something, but capitalism is something in between that does not take the good parts of either extreme.
Oh, and let's stop this. Back to topic, or the thread gets owned.
but I like this better! :p :D But I have to go now, so I will let wEvil carry this on. :D
But anyway, what exactly is a "sellout?"
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I have created a new thread for capitalism vs communism discussions.;)
Stargazer.
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Originally posted by Stargazer_2098
I have created a new thread for capitalism vs communism discussions.;)
Stargazer.
I've already PMed CP. This kind of derailment shouldn't happen, and I'll make sure of that. ;)
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Getting back on topic....
No I don't think they're sellouts. I'd only consider it a sellout if it didn't benefit the community in some way.
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Yes, please. Bring this topic back on track.
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[size=24]SAVE FARSCAPE[/size]
Sorry - had to be done.
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Originally posted by Styxx
So, show me a single practical example of a working communist society and maybe I'll change my view.
Cuba. Nearly a first-world nation, richest in the region despite near total lack of native resources, world-famous medical establishment cosiderably superior to the US's, competent leader demonstrated willing to risk life and limb to protect his cause, unlike certain "leaders" who just send a bunch of poor farmboys off to die while they make proclamations about freedom and justice, no known Starbucks or Temptation Island equivalents.
Any further requests?
Oh, and no. Bad. Mods are by the community, for the community, and, no matter how good, not worth much of anything, anyway. Most people learned to use their programs on here, and to charge money for something you wouldn't be able to make without your customer's help is the basest form of ingratitude. If someone tried people would steal a copy and distribute it freely, and serves them right. I'd probably send them a virus, too, and still serves them right.
Selling full-detail models online generally is a different story, but no.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Any further requests?
You have no idea of how life is on Cuba, do you? :p
Oh, and STOP WITH THE OFF TOPIC POSTS. Last warning.
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Actually, quite a good one. You have no idea how life is on any other of the island nations around there, do you? Go to Haiti and tell me Cuba's bad off, eh?
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Actually, quite a good one. You have no idea how life is on any other of the island nations around there, do you? Go to Haiti and tell me Cuba's bad off, eh?
Wait, excuse me as I laugh.
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Fine, you can have your open sewers and life expectancy of maybe 40, I'll have a free nation (well, quasi-free, I'll give you that) with a full educational system, a high GNP, excellent health care, and healthy distaste for the US.
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Don't say I didn't warn you. Continue this through PMs if you so wish.