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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: deruberhanyok on October 02, 2002, 12:45:08 pm
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My Disc 2 of FS2 is scratched up pretty badly and doesn't work very well anymore. More often than not, the cutscenes won't read off of it. I've got the MVE files on my hard drive, though the game won't detect them.
Is it possible to make them work somehow?
Alternately, because I know that question could sound pirate-like, Here's some proof:
pic 1 (http://www.deruberhanyok.com/PDRM0063.jpg)
pic 2 (http://www.deruberhanyok.com/PDRM0064.jpg)
(yeah, I'm a geek.)
But, on the chance that there is still a doubt (and I wouldn't be offended in the least if there is), could someone suggest to me a place where I can buy another copy of the game online? Someplace with a reasonable price, which means Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004KHB0/002-8685084-9660034) is out of the running.
I'm usually able to find this kind of stuff at CD Access (http://www.cdaccess.com/) but it seems that they've only got copies of FS1. (Of which my copy still works just fine, and I'm going to be messing around with those hi-res textures in just a little bit.)
Thanks,
By the way, reciprocity looks amazing! Can't wait to try that out.
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(http://www.ijbrooks.demon.co.uk/tom/welcomebeam.jpg)
You could try coping the mve files into the freespace2 dir, it might look for them there first. You could just make a copy of the CD yourself.
Depends how badly scratched it is. Probably to bad for real time streaming of video but you may be able to make a copy if you do it slow enough.
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now lets make this proper.
(http://www.ijbrooks.demon.co.uk/tom/welcomebeam.jpg)
Exits are to the rear and the left, in case of emergency, flamethrowers are located under the seats. They are filled with the good ol' H2O, but... well, no buts.
And if you see a five-legged insectoid with a built in plasma cannon running around in the air ducts, then that is either Carl or a foreign Shivan. Either way, run like hell.
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Hmm, I hadn't thought of copying it. Figuring that it wouldn't work in-game I just assumed that it wouldn't work at all. I'll have to try that. I'll let you know if that works.
Thanks for the welcome. Though, should I be more afraid of Carl, or the Shivan? Has anyone tried dousing either with the H2O that you speak of? Works for me in a pinch.
edit - Copying the disc didn't seem to work. I did get it to read all the way through once, but got an error when it was burning the new disc.
Any other ideas?
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Well there is software out that will read MVE files and make them a .exe file that you can use that way.....but thats completely illegal, its interplay's copyright if I'm not mistaken
Though I'm sure some people around here still might have it... I personally don't, lost it with a hard drive format a LONG time ago.
[edit]An idea, it might work
If you have the MVE files on your hard drive, try renaming one to intro.mve and placing them into your FreeSpace2 folder, and start the game... that should work, playing the movie as the intro.
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Maybee these places.
www.ebworld.com (http://www.ebworld.com)
www.eb.com I dont know wich one (http://www.eb.com)
www.gamestop.com (http://www.gamestop.com)
:blah: :)
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Blimey, I'd never seen those old-skool discs before. Go Gold Edition w00+!
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What's the biggy? I have 2 copies of the gold edition CD-ROMs (The first I bought whenb it first came out, so the first CD got too scratched to use, and I had to re-install it, so I bought a new bunch)
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Black_Dragon - yeah, I checked Gamestop and EB world earlier. I work for gamestop and I know we don't carry it anymore and, to my dismay, neither does EB. Interplay doesn't even have it in their online store, although FS1 and ST are bundled there for only $10. Eb.com is Encyclopedia Brittanica's website. I don't think they sell video games.:)
"Gold edition" discs? Yeah, I bought FS2 the day it came out. I'm really kicking myself for not picking up multiple copies, or a copy of the 'sim of the year' edition when I had the chance.
I've tried renaming the files, but the game won't even find the intro movie. I can't run anything from the tech room (insert CD #2 or #3 depending on which file I'm trying to run) and the intro won't play at all when I launch the game - it just skips to the player select menu.
I'm considering bidding on one of the copies on Ebay, but I'm not a big fan of auctions. Still, if it comes down to it... gotta have my FreeSpace.
Any other ideas?
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maybe one of us could burn you a copy. Afterall, read the liscence agreement. We are allowed to make you a copy.
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For the intro to play you need CD #2 in the CD Drive when you start it up, I believe.
Also, do you have ICQ? I have an FS Source release that might help you in this area...
[edit]actually, nevermind...volition took out the MVE stuff in the source release, @%*@ them[/edit]
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It might be possible to mess around with the cutscene.tbl and pursuade FS2 to work with the MVE's on the hard drive and disk 3 in the drive.
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Ahh, ebay, cool, but be carefull, you know how thing are in ebay, there are some !@#$% over there. Take your money and ran.
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I buy lego stuff from there all the time. :D Usually as long as the seller has some good feedback, you should be okay.
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
...I bought whenb it...
WhenB? Is that a relation of DaveB by any chance? And does he know about it?? :wtf:
:lol:
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It's actually dave's long-lost cousin :D
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cutscene.tbl? That's in one of the VP files, right? Well, I guess it's off to download that VP view program then. Hadn't thought of messing with those, but it could work. Hmm.
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The first download every fs2 fan should get is .vp view. You can't do any MODing without it. After you get .vpview, then download the patch.
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Well, I tried altering the table file but it doesn't seem to work. VP View worked fine and viewing the file with the tbl viewer worked okay (although I had to edit the file with notepad.)
The line in the table specifies a disc number that the cutscenes are on. I tried changing it to the game directory on the hard drive, but that didn't work, I would click the 'play cutscene' button in the tech room and nothing happened. Changing the file name didn't do it either. I also tried changing both but no luck there.
I'm really wondering why the game isn't for sale? I mean, FS1 is ten bucks at the Interplay store, why not FS2?
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When the source code was released, fs2 was taken off the shelves. To think I bought my second copy weeks before they would be gone forever!! So close:D
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Originally posted by deruberhanyok
...although I had to edit the file with notepad...
:nod:
This has been a Public Service Announcement by the Comittee To Thwart TblView
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See if you can find a place that repairs scratched CDs, deruberhanyok. If you lived in Vancouver, I'd give you directions to one, but I'm not so familiar with, er..., Chi Draconis 7.
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Originally posted by deruberhanyok
Well, I tried altering the table file but it doesn't seem to work. VP View worked fine and viewing the file with the tbl viewer worked okay (although I had to edit the file with notepad.)
The line in the table specifies a disc number that the cutscenes are on. I tried changing it to the game directory on the hard drive, but that didn't work, I would click the 'play cutscene' button in the tech room and nothing happened. Changing the file name didn't do it either. I also tried changing both but no luck there.
Okay I went and had a look at the posting that had made me suggest looking at the cutscene.tbl and I found this.
Originally posted by Sandwich
Oh, yeah - guess what! When you extract all the FS1 movies into the data\movies dir, the good old FS1 intro plays when you load up FS2! Nice! :)
Okay so sandwich is talking about the movies from the FS1 intro so that they work with the FS1Port but it shows that information in the data\movies dir superceeds anything on the CD.
If that doesn`t help try looking at this (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,6149.0.html) thread.
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Sounds like kind of a silly reason to take the game off of the shelves. I mean, the Quake games are still being sold.
sesquipedalian - yeah, I've tried repairing it with one of those 'game doctor' thingies. It's pretty much a dead CD.
I was going to list "City 7" as my location, but didn't know if anyone would get the Macross reference. "Chi Draconis 7" is just a really geeky way of referring to the Minbari homeworld (B5). I've changed it to something a bit more recognizable. ^_^
karajorma - thank you. I got them working. I put all the movie files in the data/movies directory and that didn't work at first, it still wouldn't detect my CD #2.
However, I then edited the cutscene.tbl file to say that all of the cutscenes were on Disc 3. So now, I can put in Disc 3, and it plays the cutscenes off of the hard drive, only checking to see if Disc 3 is present. The intro works, all the monologues, even the ending, and they all read off of the hard disk - there's no CD drive activity at all, even for the ones that are on disc three (I had copied those over to the hard drive a while ago). So I guess with the directory being a sort of 'override' and the cutscene.tbl file telling it to look for only one disc, all the movies will play.
I guess it's a good thing I had those files on the hard drive, then. Thanks to your suggestion I seem to have solved my problem. :D
Ah, sweet victoly!
Hmm... I wonder if this would work for FS1? Or maybe there's a way to make the game not look for any disc for the cutscenes?
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Why not Battle 7? (Unless you are a civillian)
I had thought about doing a Macross 7 mod where Alpha 1 had to support Nekki Basara and Sound Force. (maybe even get some Karekoe in and make you help sing against the Protodevlin) But don't think this is the right time for that, plus I can't sing, plus I am way too bust anyway... :nod:
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Originally posted by deruberhanyok
karajorma - thank you. I got them working. I put all the movie files in the data/movies directory and that didn't work at first, it still wouldn't detect my CD #2.
However, I then edited the cutscene.tbl file to say that all of the cutscenes were on Disc 3. So now, I can put in Disc 3, and it plays the cutscenes off of the hard drive, only checking to see if Disc 3 is present. The intro works, all the monologues, even the ending, and they all read off of the hard disk - there's no CD drive activity at all, even for the ones that are on disc three (I had copied those over to the hard drive a while ago). So I guess with the directory being a sort of 'override' and the cutscene.tbl file telling it to look for only one disc, all the movies will play.
I guess it's a good thing I had those files on the hard drive, then. Thanks to your suggestion I seem to have solved my problem. :D
Hmm... I wonder if this would work for FS1? Or maybe there's a way to make the game not look for any disc for the cutscenes?
Yeah. Now you see why I mentioned the cutscenes table. I knew it would be important somewhere in fixing this problem :D
I don`t know how to edit it so that it doesn`t look for any disk but considering the amount I play FS1 & 2 fixing it so that it only needs one of the disks regardless of which game I play sounds like a good idea :)
The only problem is that both games use the same filename for the intro but it shouldn`t be hard to fix the FS2 campaign file to play a renamed FS2 intro before mission one.
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Idunno if that would work. I mean, the tbl files are the same but the game might be looking for the different discs; FS1 looking for FS1 and FS2 for FS2. But I think I might be missing something here - why would you need to rename the intro file? The games install in different directories.
Star Dragon - heheh, that would be cool. It's silly, really, but I can't watch the series with any of my friends because I have a tendency to start singing along whenever Basara starts singing, and that annoys them. Even the ones that really like animé won't watch it with me, most don't want to have anything to do with it. I don't understand them. :confused:
I'm surprised, though. It seems to me that finding someone who knows about Macross 7 - let alone someone who likes it - is sort of a rare occasion. :cool:
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Originally posted by deruberhanyok
Idunno if that would work. I mean, the tbl files are the same but the game might be looking for the different discs; FS1 looking for FS1 and FS2 for FS2. But I think I might be missing something here - why would you need to rename the intro file? The games install in different directories.
Not if you`re playing the FSport :)
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I just looked that up on google. Now that's a cool port. I think I've definitely been away from this for way too long. I'm downloading it now - definitely want to give it a play. So it plays the movies from FS1 in the game as well? What a cool mod...
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Y'know, those welcome beams look suspciously familiar...:wtf:
Anyways....
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Ooh, fresh blood!
Hyaaaah!!! [pounces on, uh, drubberhasseltov or however it's spelled, tears off his left arm, and proceeds to poke Hades in the eye with the index finger]
You shouldn't let your disks get so scratched you can't use them, that's what. You can always tell when it's getting close, and that's when you burn a backup CD, or move the stuff onto your comp. Try a different computer, with a CD burner and a better CD drive (there are a good number that won't fail to read the disk except in the presence of inconvieniently large cracks, meaning one step away from two halves of a CD).
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Blimey, I'd never seen those old-skool discs before. Go Gold Edition w00+!
I got the same ones, and the old skool FS1 disc's and the FS1 demo too o.O
Hell, I've still got the old FS1 demo manual sitting here in front of me, and the boxes for FS1 and 2, dammit, I'm a packrat
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By the way, if anyone's gonna be making copies of the FS1 and 2 disks around here, could you make me one, too? Mine were stolen, along with the rest of my games. Don't ask. I don't think there should be any questioning my original possession of the game, in this case.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
I don't think there should be any questioning my original possession of the game, in this case.
Doesn't matter, remember? We can make copies of the game on a no-cost noncommercial basis for friends and aquaintances. I dunno who'd count as the first qualification (an0n, perhaps?), but I think (*looks at postcount*) - scratch that: I know everyone on HLP is in some way aquainted with you. ;)
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I could probably get one for you
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Hmmm... when did I get up in the 4000s? Cool!
And thanks. I think I'm still going to have to hurt the person who stole them on principle, but hey, he had it coming...