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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Galemp on October 05, 2002, 09:29:20 am
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Apparently Microsoft is coming up with a new computer chip/OS called Paladium. Here's the press release. (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/0724palladiumwp.asp) Unfortunately it might not be the best thing for us lowly users, says Zebulun E-Zine. (http://www.zzine.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=427) That's pretty scary stuff; but what about THIS:
Palladium will effectively ban free software, not just free stuff for Windows platforms, but free stuff for Linux, Mac, in fact every OS that runs on a Palladium enabled motherboard/processor. Why?
In order to get the program to run on a palladium platform, you will need to pay to have your binary certified as "safe" by Microsoft's software authentification branch. And who in their right mind is going to pay for a piece of software they spent hours working on? It just wouldn't be worth it.
It gets worse when it comes to open source projects, such as Linux and BSD. Those of you who know about these things will know that open source projects are created by freelance coders all over the world who create programs in their spare time and then give them to the rest of the world for free. Many of them also release the source code for free too, so that if you wish you can alter the program (such as to fix bugs, add features etc).
Now, it would be bad enough if the owner has to pay a certification fee. But EVERY CHANGE that is made to the source code will require a new, seperate certificate to be created. Those of you who use Linux will know that so many things get updated so quickly, that this just isn't practical, and would cost the open source developement people millions of dollars. This is money they just don't have, and Microsoft knows it.
:shaking:
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Old news.
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and it's never gonna happen anyway.
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an0n, please reply with something a little more useful - we know you know everything allready so you dont have to tell anyone. :lol:
In terms of what it means - yep, its bad. But then again nobody cares about having no rights at all so why even bother talking about it?
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XP was meant to be uncrackable and secure.
I think that lasted for all of 5 hours after it was out or something.
And if thats saying that no exe will run unless if certified is total maddness, developers would all just switch to linux I imagine.
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*can't find the Squint smiley*
*squints*
Don't worry, as soon as Bush learns how to operate his new V-Tech, Paladium will become a requirement for all US computers.
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Originally posted by RandomTiger
XP was meant to be uncrackable and secure.
I think that lasted for all of 5 hours after it was out or something.
Actually, it was cracked about 3 months before it's release.
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There you go then
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It'd be the death of MS to try and push this on most people, I mean sure it might not hit to many large businesses but think of the hundreds of thousands of home users who will most likely tell MS to go and hang if they ever found out about it. All those of us who have tabs on this kind of thing have to do is make the masses aware of it and incite it as the new form of evil and hopefully they'll realise they don't want it and everyone will tell MS where to go.
If it ever happens, that is.
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Even if its gonna happen it will be cracked in no time as usual....
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Has it occurred to anyone yet that this would not be the only product on the market? Anyone who knew anything about computers simply wouldn't buy it. There are plenty of morons who would, but then again, if you're using a computer set up by a moron, you take your chances in the first place.
And yes, it'd get cracked instantly, just for fun. Just like XP, which most real warez rings thought was for ****- you could get a beta of it for free well before any final version even came along.
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EDIT: Oops
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Has it occurred to anyone yet that this would not be the only product on the market? Anyone who knew anything about computers simply wouldn't buy it. There are plenty of morons who would, but then again, if you're using a computer set up by a moron, you take your chances in the first place.
And yes, it'd get cracked instantly, just for fun. Just like XP, which most real warez rings thought was for ****- you could get a beta of it for free well before any final version even came along.
From what i've read on Palladium I think it wouldn't quite be as simple as cracking it. As far as I recall MS were working with AMD to make kinda hardware dongles on the CPU (eventually being intergrated into the CPU) which authenticates pretty much everything and has keys or some sort of ****. You can disable that but it completely restricts anything else you can do.
::rummages::
A-HA
Palladium (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html)
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yep, but longhorn wont debut for quite some time yet.
palladium is a standards group (like JEDEC which is the standards group for SDRAM) except palladium are a bunch of closed-minded fascists.
most major manufacturers have been pinched into joining it.
If you remember the T.14 standard for hard drives that got pushed out (luckily) and also the mount rainier standard for new CD/DVD drives - its kindof the same thing.
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that and palladium cpus won't be allowed to "talk" to non-palladium cpus
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You know, this won't just be a problem for users. Nobody's gonna want to pay Microsoft to let their products run on the Microsoft OS, and certainly won't want to have to suck up to Microsoft and let the company change their products just to get it sold- particularly since they KNOW that Windows is nothing without their software. Gates gets too pushy, companies like Adobe and Macromedia might start servicing Microsoft's cometitors more, and that's the end of the Evil Empire. I don't think Gates is quite THAT stupid.
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Is Gates really in charge though? I mean the last I heard he owned the company but was less in the decision making progress than before?
Probably wrong though.
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Does it really matter? It's like the President: the answer's pretty much no, but he makes a good metaphor for the top echelon and it really doesn't make a difference unless you're planning to make everything better by assassinating the bastard.
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Gates gave up the position of CEO back in 1999 I think. He still holds the title of Chairman though and still earns more than the current CEO
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This Guy (http://www.msboycott.com/media/ballmer_monkey_.mpg) is CEO now.
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You can NOT tell me that... frat boy heads Microsoft. He's not competent to operate a car, much less the evillest little software business on Earth.
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well all i can say is this:
AMD OWNZ J00!
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Originally posted by RandomTiger
XP was meant to be uncrackable and secure.
I think that lasted for all of 5 hours after it was out or something.
And if thats saying that no exe will run unless if certified is total maddness, developers would all just switch to linux I imagine.
you mean like 5 hours after it was out as warez? :p
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how can they ban free software for Linux or Unix when most if not all of it is free anyway
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They're not banning it, they're making it impossible to run.
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Surely there's some kind of signiture in the software that tells the chip it's MS certified then? And therefore it must be a case of simply ripping that code from the certified software - pasting it onto any other non-certified program and going ahead as normal?
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probably - or failing that some kind of streaming stuff in the assembled code (not impossible)
either way, i'll take great pride in refusing to service, purchase or work on any palladium-enabled hardware.
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I still can't stop laughing over that 60 year old baldheaded lardass running around that stage like a drunken idiot. He makes Ken Lay look pretty good.
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Of course, I bet that if this thing actually does come to pass, the hackers will have figured it all out well before the first products are even released.
oh, and whoever closed that girls thread, you are without a doubt the greatest forum admin ever. :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
oh, and whoever closed that girls thread, you are without a doubt the greatest forum admin ever. :D
:mad2:
I'll bet it was sandwich :nervous:
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This Guy is CEO now
i had my speakers on really loud when this was loading and started playing... my lil' cousin started crying half way into it and i stoped breathing...
wow
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oh, and whoever closed that girls thread, you are without a doubt the greatest forum admin ever.
What the bloddy hell!?!?!
:mad: :mad: :mad:
well, i just want to congradulate whoever... you just made the bad mistake of pissing off over ahundred horny nerds world wide..
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and making one nerd really happy... :D
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well you can't have friggin' math without 69.. :wink:
on a similar note... 402 or 412 or something; Pot Smokers number? :confused:
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nah, all the important numbers are pretty much the ones listed here: :D
http://pauillac.inria.fr/algo/bsolve/constant/constant.html
Very cool stuff. ;7 The main ones I frequently encounter and use out of that list are probably 0, 1, i, p, e, euler's constant (g), khinchin's constant (K), gamma-related constants (m0, G(ΒΌ), etc.), stieltjes constants (g1, g2, etc.), EI-related constants (soldner, EI(1), etc.) and zeta-related constants (glaisher, z0, etc.). I suppose 69, 402 or 412 might occur somewhere in the long trains of numbers there (most are irrational, if not transcendental), but then again, do they have some special significance or something? :p
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nah, all the important numbers are pretty much the ones listed here:
http://pauillac.inria.fr/algo/bsolv...t/constant.html
You'd think i'd know better by now..
*puts gun to head*
*misses*..
*claws heart out of chest*
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Originally posted by CP5670
oh, and whoever closed that girls thread, you are without a doubt the greatest forum admin ever. :D
monty python and the holy grail
(as whats-his-face was dragged away from castle anthrax)I'll bet your gay
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That thread was just getting way too big considering how mind-numbingly retarded it was; even TAS and TWNBAFS3 from the VBB had more of a reason for existence... :p
You'd think i'd know better by now..
come on, let's talk about math! ;7
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Are you by chance catholic? Perhaps maybe after Father Dick's position?
;)
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Something between an agnostic and an atheist actually, but I still don't get why everyone likes those numbers so much... :p(glaisher's constant is way cooler than 69! :D)
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Originally posted by CP5670
Something between an agnostic and an atheist actually, but I still don't get why everyone likes those numbers so much... :p(glaisher's constant is way cooler than 69! :D)
::Listens to the sound of a point being severely missed::
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Originally posted by 01010
::Listens to the sound of a point being severely missed::
*listens for it also*
*hears a loud ker-smacking sound*
*KER-SMACK*
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I dont think Microsoft is evil. But now I think its run by an absulute lunatic.
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i can see it now, he dies from a heart attack and Richard Simmons beomes the next CEO
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
i can see it now, he dies from a heart attack and Richard Simmons beomes the next CEO
:nervous: :shaking: :nervous: :eek2: :wtf: :blah: :shaking: :nervous: :mad2:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
i can see it now, he dies from a heart attack and Richard Simmons beomes the next CEO
:lol: heheheheh...
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Hmmm... dunno who locked this thread, but for the record:
Originally posted by RKIF-DragonClaw
:mad2:
I'll bet it was sandwich :nervous:
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Nope, not me.