Post by: Solatar on October 08, 2002, 02:45:40 pm
Post by: Fineus on October 08, 2002, 03:13:34 pm
Post by: Solatar on October 08, 2002, 03:14:23 pm
Post by: Goober5000 on October 08, 2002, 03:21:52 pm
The way to do this is to create an HTML file that you set as your desktop. So make the main hall one big image map, with hyperlinks assigned to certain hot spots in the picture (the ones for starting programs will start with file:// and so forth). Then save the page, test it, and away you go.
Post by: Alikchi on October 08, 2002, 03:40:01 pm
Post by: Galemp on October 08, 2002, 03:42:21 pm
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Post by: aldo_14 on October 08, 2002, 04:51:49 pm
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I think you'd need Flash to get the rollover animations to work, though.
No...there's Dynamic HTML or something like that.... it's an (eek!) Frontpage option, forsure, although I don't know too much about the syntax for hand-wirting it. There's also Javascript.
Post by: Solatar on October 08, 2002, 06:25:52 pm
Post by: Galemp on October 08, 2002, 08:41:13 pm
Post by: Hunter on October 09, 2002, 02:52:00 am
Post by: Stealth on October 12, 2002, 08:35:01 am
Post by: Unknown Target on October 12, 2002, 09:17:19 am
Post by: Solatar on October 12, 2002, 09:35:12 am
Post by: Stealth on October 12, 2002, 11:38:52 am
if someone could send me everything i need i'd "flash" it. (all the animations, in whatever format, as well as the real background)
Post by: Solatar on October 12, 2002, 12:02:40 pm
Post by: Solatar on October 12, 2002, 12:13:56 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 12, 2002, 03:28:38 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 12, 2002, 05:12:41 pm
Post by: Goober5000 on October 12, 2002, 11:47:20 pm
That should get you started. :D I'll convert the rest of the animations tomorrow.
Post by: Riven on October 13, 2002, 05:58:14 am
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eck,first problem... Flash 5 doesn't like AVIs... can someone send in another format please? and to make it easier (so i don't have to do it, i;'m not sure i know how) could they also send me a reverse of each animation? like, when the user moves the mouse off the 'button'
Either use flash mx and embed the avi or just extract each frame as a jpg and put one in each frame. For the reverse just stick the frames in the opposite order.
Post by: Goober5000 on October 13, 2002, 04:46:43 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 13, 2002, 05:25:37 pm
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Originally posted by Riven
Either use flash mx and embed the avi or just extract each frame as a jpg and put one in each frame. For the reverse just stick the frames in the opposite order.
don't tell me how to use flash!
EDIT: How do i extract each frame as a JPG!? i don't know anything about that, and flash won't do it, so what program do i use!
Post by: Stealth on October 13, 2002, 05:33:24 pm
Post by: Goober5000 on October 13, 2002, 06:18:51 pm
What program are you using? I used WinZip and I can open them just fine.
Post by: Stealth on October 13, 2002, 06:22:00 pm
Post by: Goober5000 on October 13, 2002, 06:53:16 pm
http://www.geocities.com/ipw47/temp.html
Post by: Stealth on October 15, 2002, 12:53:04 pm
gotoandplay
totalframes-current frame
you see, if i have 60 frames, the first 30 frames are the door 'opening' the last 30 are the door 'closing' i have three stop actions, one in the beginning, one in the middle (frame 30) and one in the end)
then if i'm on frame 23 when the user rolls out, it takes total minut current frame. (60-23) which is identical to the frame it was playing, but on the 'closing' part. i don't know, it's hard to explain, but i'll post the FLAs for people to look at it. i'm not going to copyright it or anything :p i'll probably finish the galatea today, and possibly even the Bastion. does someone want the FS2 main halls done? if so, post the main hall, and all animations in GIF format. also, should the background have sound? i believe it's possible to have a background with sound on 'active desktop' or whatever, and there could be a switch to toggle sounds on/off. i dunno. also, does anyone have any information as to how this will work exactly? i'll make the flash, someone figure out how to make it a desktop :p
Post by: Solatar on October 15, 2002, 02:30:27 pm
Post by: Riven on October 15, 2002, 03:15:30 pm
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I should think that you could make it into an HTML file, then use it as the desktop, it would work. Not entirely sure about this though.
Should do, just make all file paths absolute.
Post by: Stealth on October 15, 2002, 03:33:32 pm
Two ways to do it with Flash though. i know the first way will (should) work, not sure about the second though
A) Have the buttons link to absolute file paths. if the user wants the buttons to link to a different path, they edit a text file (which i'll make "user friendly" and change the link)
B) Have the Flash movie with no buttons, just playing, and have it in an HTML file, which assigns certain "spaces" links (this can be done in dreamweaver)... hotspots .... (i think that's what they're called... it's been a while since i've had to use them!) i don't know or even think this will work though. i'll post the Galatea one in a few seconds
Post by: Goober5000 on October 15, 2002, 04:08:53 pm
It's entirely possible to do most of the main hall in pure HTML and JavaScript. You can implement hotspots as well as direct absolute linking to files. However, I'm not sure if you can start a GIF at a specified frame.
Post by: Galemp on October 15, 2002, 04:12:29 pm
Freespace Desktop Theme Thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,10701.0.html)
So after you get the desktop to work you have all the other stuff you need.
Post by: Goober5000 on October 15, 2002, 04:27:52 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 15, 2002, 04:31:28 pm
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Originally posted by Goober5000
However, I'm not sure if you can start a GIF at a specified frame.
it's not possible as far as i know... that's why Flash was invented :D
Post by: Stealth on October 15, 2002, 04:42:37 pm
oh well, it's your system resources, not mine :p :cool:
i haven't linked anything, just test it out and see what you think, if there's something wrong or anything then let me know. i haven't even tested it yet, i just put it all together, exported it, and uploaded it.
it's in 640x480 because that's the size the picture originally was, but it can be expanded, ah the wonders of Flash. it should work well, i experimented with different GIFs, and i started working on it at around 3:30 today, and it's done now
it's still about 30% uploaded (i'm on 56K today) so if you try to download it and it doesn't work, then try again in a few minutes and it'll be done downloading.
EDIT: Screw those of you that don't have the flash player installed... you'll just have to click the link below and open it up in your broswer window.
for those of you with Flash Player (which also comes with Flash (program)) installed, who want to see it in all its glory:
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/galateav2.swf
i haven't uploaded the FLA file, it's too large. if there's no problems with the SWF, then i'll upload the FLA. also let me know what you guys think each 'button' should link to
Let me know, i'll start the Bastion main hall tonight when i get back from work or sometime tomorrow. i already have the pics, etc.
should i put sound in it? i think sound can be used in a background, and perhaps i can add a 'toggle sound' button
i dunno, it would probably work, but anyway
someone please post the FS2 main halls :)
regardless, let me know, i'm off to work now, peace out
Post by: Knight Templar on October 15, 2002, 05:27:45 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 16, 2002, 06:35:15 am
Post by: Goober5000 on October 16, 2002, 04:36:49 pm
I've found a couple of bugs, though. First, that animation with the guy on the elevator shouldn't run constantly. This is partly my fault; I shouldn't have made that GIF loop continuously. He looks like he's doing laps going up and down that elevator. :D
Second of all, nice work making the doors start closing on the specific frame when they stopped opening. However, it's also possible to move the cursor back on the hotspot when the doors haven't completely closed, and in this case the doors jump completely closed and start opening. Do your current frame trick with the door open routine as well, and it'll be all set.
Will your final release have a text file where you can configure where the hotspots link to?
Post by: Stealth on October 16, 2002, 06:51:18 pm
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Excellent work. :yes:
I've found a couple of bugs, though. <1>First, that animation with the guy on the elevator shouldn't run constantly. This is partly my fault; <2>I shouldn't have made that GIF loop continuously. He looks like he's doing laps going up and down that elevator. :D
Second of all, <3>nice work making the doors start closing on the specific frame when they stopped opening. <4>However, it's also possible to move the cursor back on the hotspot when the doors haven't completely closed, and in this case the doors jump completely closed and start opening. <5>Do your current frame trick with the door open routine as well, and it'll be all set.
<6>Will your final release have a text file where you can configure where the hotspots link to?
Answers to questions:
1) It shouldn't? remember that it's the longest of the 8 animations... it has about 40 frames of the guy going down the elevator then back up again... then it's got about 300 frames of nothing, then he goes down again, etc. i can either make him do it once and then never again, or i can make him do a "lap" like, once ever 5 minutes or so. it's your call
2) GIFs looping constantly doesn't make a difference... when i export them into Flash, flash gives me every frame of the GIF (i think most of them, except for the elevator one, were 31 or 32 frames long)... i have to work with each individual frame, placing them, etc. so whether they loop or whatever makes it no more easier or more difficult for me
3) Thanks :D took me a while to do that
4) Eck. this is still giving me trouble. you see, i called a function that when the user rolls out it subtracts the current frame from the total number of frames in the animation. for example, the ready room door has 62 frames... the first 31 i made the door opening, the last 31 is the door closing. i have a stop action in the beginning, middle (frame 31) and end (frame 62). then when the user rolls over the door, i tell it to add a frame number... thereby making it frame 0+1, or frame 1... where it continues to play until it gets to frame 31, where it stops. then when the user ROLLS OUT, it takes the totalframes minus current frame... this allows for the 'smooth' effect. however, i know what you're saying about if you quickly roll back over when it's closing it jumps closed then starts opening again. i am working on this problem as we speak. it's going to have to consist of if/then statements, which i was trying to avoid.
5) unfortunately it's a bit more complicated than that
6) yes, i'm hoping to have an alternate text file the user can edit... i'll make it very user-friendly.
If anyone would like to try to solve my problem that i have in number 4 (see #4 above) then please PM me or post here, and i'll send you the link to the FLA file, which i've got uploaded...
Post by: Goober5000 on October 16, 2002, 10:50:34 pm
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i have to work with each individual frame, placing them, etc.
You have to place each individual frame??? Or can you group them to do several at once? There are hundreds of frames in some animations...
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1) It shouldn't? remember that it's the longest of the 8 animations... it has about 40 frames of the guy going down the elevator then back up again... then it's got about 300 frames of nothing, then he goes down again, etc. i can either make him do it once and then never again, or i can make him do a "lap" like, once ever 5 minutes or so. it's your call
No, it's got a bunch of "nothing" frames while the guy is fiddling with the panel at the bottom of the elevator. The ani starts and stops when the guy is at the top.
The problem with the current flash is that as soon as the guy gets to the top of the elevator he immediately goes back down again. I just went into FS1 and timed it - there are several seconds between animations, and they appear to be randomized. So configure your Flash to set a random interval (between 15 and 45) upon initialization, and run the GIF every X seconds. When the desktop starts up, wait X seconds, then run the GIF, then X again, then run it, etc.
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If anyone would like to try to solve my problem that i have in number 4 (see #4 above) then please PM me or post here, and i'll send you the link to the FLA file, which i've got uploaded...
Post the FLA link regardless. I'd like to see the code. :D
Post by: Stealth on October 17, 2002, 08:45:47 am
EDIT: URL removed for copyright purposes
i didn't have to position each frame individually, it's easy to do that in Flash 5 (what i used)... but i had to work pretty much with each frame. i'll have to see though... you agree the only work needed is the elevator guy (very easy to fix) and the door closing and opening problem, which i'm going to work with in a few minutes... in my web design class.
the elevator is the longest by far... it's hundreds of keyframes... what i did is just looped it, so it plays all 300 or so, then plays again. i'll put in a delay action or something, for perhaps 25 more seconds or something... i wasn't aware the elevator was going so fast :) lol ;7
well maybe he just wants to get buff by doing laps :p :cool:
nonetheless, let me know! :)
Post by: Goober5000 on October 17, 2002, 09:05:53 am
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you agree the only work needed is the elevator guy (very easy to fix) and the door closing and opening problemyup, that's it - the rest is great :yes:
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well maybe he just wants to get buff by doing laps:lol: then he should use the stairs! :D
Post by: Stealth on October 17, 2002, 10:31:41 am
Post by: Galemp on October 17, 2002, 11:42:14 am
Post by: Stealth on October 17, 2002, 11:55:19 am
EDIT: Are you opening the FLA file? if you are, then that's the mistake... but i think i know what you mean...
the SWF displays the first frame of everything until it's COMPLETELY loaded... so there will be no rollovers or anything till it's completely loaded, and since it's about 6 MB, that takes a while.
Try right clicking on the link then click "save as"... save it to your hard drive, then open it, and everything will work ;)
Oh and by the way... i fixed all the problems, i figured out how to fix the problem Goober5000, i will host the final version in about 3 hours when i get home.
Post by: Goober5000 on October 17, 2002, 01:42:20 pm
Post by: Goober5000 on October 17, 2002, 08:04:34 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 17, 2002, 10:40:24 pm
FLA File (for users wanting to edit/look at code):
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/mainhall.fla
SWF File (for users wanting to view):
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/galateav4.swf
Post by: Knight Templar on October 17, 2002, 10:50:47 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 18, 2002, 10:24:55 am
Post by: Stealth on October 19, 2002, 10:51:55 pm
SWF File (most viewers):
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/galateav5.swf
(note: I recommend instead of opening it, that you save it to your hard drive first, by right clicking, then clicking 'save as', and downloading it)
EDIT: FLA removed for copyright purposes
Let me know. Hades, Goober5000, check them out, let me know of any flaws.
I tested them in 640x480 resolution and they look identical to the mainhall in FS1 (i played Freespace 1 today, and they look identical... if anything, the doors in this version open and close smoother than in the the original game... i guess Actionscript just beats whatever the hell they used)
Enjoy~
Post by: Goober5000 on October 19, 2002, 11:44:56 pm
I think you need to add more of a delay to the elevator guy. He still looks like he's doing laps... :) Probably a delay of at LEAST 20-25 seconds. Maybe more - randomize the delay between 20 and 60, or something.
Don't forget that you need a delay at the very beginning, too - as soon as you open the Flash, delay X seconds - THEN start the first animation.
EDIT: Is there any way you can add music and sounds? ;7
Post by: Stealth on October 19, 2002, 11:47:24 pm
also, i can add sounds/music/background music/sound effects/whatever the hell i want... i don't know if it would work, (or be practical) as a background though... but i can also have a button to turn sound on / off
Post by: Goober5000 on October 20, 2002, 12:07:03 am
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there's no point delaying at the beginnign of the animation
In the actual game, the elevator animation doesn't start for several seconds. This is why I say delay the beginning of the animation.
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in the final version i can have a little button that turns on/off animations though.
That'll be good. Some people may like that.
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also, i can add sounds/music/background music/sound effects/whatever i want... i don't know if it would work, (or be practical) as a background though... but i can also have a button to turn sound on / off
Great. :yes: Maybe have separate buttons to turn on/off animation sounds and main hall music.
I look forward to the final relase. :D
Post by: Knight Templar on October 20, 2002, 01:04:42 am
Post by: Solatar on October 20, 2002, 07:30:12 am
Post by: Stealth on October 20, 2002, 09:27:24 pm
if you'd like music/sound effects, then send them to me, and i'll add them :)
i'll look into the 'elevator' problem though...
Post by: Goober5000 on October 20, 2002, 10:00:29 pm
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if you'd like music/sound effects, then send them to me, and i'll add them :)
These you can get easily from the Freespace VP, in data\sounds\16b11k. Here's the listing from the sounds table...
Galatea:
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lift01a.wav - main hall lift going down
switch.wav - main hall guy getting [Coke]
lift01a.wav - main hall lift going up
weld01.wav - main hall weld 1
weld02.wav - main hall weld 2
weld01.wav - main hall weld 3
weld02.wav - main hall weld 4
pa_1.wav - main hall random intercom 1
pa_2.wav - main hall random intercom 2
pa_3.wav - main hall random intercom 3
Bastion:
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L_Crane_A.wav - left hand crane rotating, then moving offscreen
L_Crane_B.wav - left hand crane moving onscreen, rotating back to position 1
R_Crane_A.wav - right hand crane zooms onscreen
R_Crane_B.wav - right hand crane zooms offscreen
Cart_dwn.wav - golf cart lowers platform and drives away
Cart_up.wav - golf cart drives back onscreen and raises platform
pa_1.wav - main hall 2 - random intercom 1
pa_2.wav - main hall 2 - random intercom 2
pa_3.wav - main hall 2 - random intercom 3
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i'll look into the 'elevator' problem though...
Thanks. :)
EDIT: :doh: how could I forget...
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dooropen.wav - door in main hall opens
doorclose.wav - door in main hall closes
Both are in data\sounds\8b22k.
Post by: Hippo on October 21, 2002, 07:28:47 am
It looks really good...
Post by: Stealth on October 21, 2002, 10:49:21 am
detail may still be good though ;)
i'm not going to worry about the elevator, since no one will notice
someone please do some research to see if we actually CAN have this as a desktop! it might work as 98's "Active Desktop", but i'm not sure about XP ... which is what i was ultimately aiming for :p
Post by: Stealth on October 21, 2002, 10:50:25 am
Post by: Goober5000 on October 21, 2002, 11:16:32 am
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i'm not going to worry about the elevator, since no one will notice
I noticed! :rolleyes: Just add a stupid delay. The guy is not supposed to do laps.
And I uploaded the Bastion gifs to my webspace. Didn't you download them before?
http://www.geocities.com/ipw47/temp.html
Post by: Stealth on October 21, 2002, 12:31:31 pm
preferably via ICQ, AIM, or MSN.
2) The elevator is delayed WHEN IT FINISHES playing the GIF, but not at the beginning... so as soon as it starts, the guy's going down the elevator, but when that animation's FINISHED (when the guy goes back up the elevator) then it'll delay for about a minute. actually probably about 30 seconds.
let me know!
~Stealth~
Post by: Stealth on October 21, 2002, 05:14:46 pm
Main hall, just animations:
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/galateav5.swf
Main hall, animations and sound effects:
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/galateav6.swf
Main hall, animations, sound effects, and background music:
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/galateav7.swf
(NOTE: This is still uploading... will be done in about 30 minutes)
Post by: Goober5000 on October 21, 2002, 06:05:36 pm
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Originally posted by Stealth
i am pleased to announce the release the (BETA) version of the following SWF files:
Main hall, just animations:
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/galateav5.swf
Main hall, animations and sound effects:
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/galateav6.swf
Main hall, animations, sound effects, and background music:
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/galateav7.swf
(NOTE: This is still uploading... will be done in about 30 minutes)
Whoa... :yes: I didn't think you were going to put all that in, but that'll be very cool. ;7
I seem to have deleted the PM with your MSN handle, Stealth. :lol: Can you PM me again, and with what time range you'll be on to get the FS2 file transfer? I hardly ever use MSN Messenger, so I'll have to know when to get on.
Post by: Stealth on October 21, 2002, 09:54:23 pm
...of course :rolleyes:
also the option of an "intelligent" background, which will remember your settings for when you restart. i.e., if you turn the sound off, the sound will remain off until you turn it on, regardless if you restart or not.
I'm asking HLP members for their input on this one though... we'll see what they say... posting a thread in the public forum
Oh, and Goober... it'll be probably a week till i get to FS2 main halls, since i still have to get the galatea one to work perfectly, and release it, and then get the Bastion, which is at least 2 days work ;)
The links on the buttons don't work though, and there's one bug that i know of in version 7: If you move your mouse over a door then quickly move it off, it plays the 'sound' of the door opening all the way even though it hasn't opened all the way. that's a similar problem to what i had with the frames, but sound is different... it sounds weird when played backward :D
also, anyone who downloads the SWF... remember it will stay a still, unanimated image, until the ENTIRE movie loads (which is about 5.89 MB or something)... i'm going to put a preloader in the next version, till the desktop final release
Thanks
~Stealth~
Post by: Joey_21 on October 21, 2002, 10:39:47 pm
Post by: Sandwich on October 22, 2002, 08:39:19 am
About the sound reversing, there should be 2 seperate WAVs, one for a doo opening, and another for it closing - no reason you should have to play a sound backwards.
Post by: Sandwich on October 22, 2002, 08:54:19 am
Of course, the filename settings can be changed as needed; this is for a SWF file that is in the same directory as this HTML file. Also, change the WIDTH and HEIGHT attributes as needed.
Oops, I forgot a (minor) graphical bug report: the door on the second floor (or is it the first floor? - bah, the floor above ground level, but not the top one!) its animation is placed a pixel or three too high.
Post by: Stealth on October 22, 2002, 10:25:55 am
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Downloading and testing now - great work so far.
About the sound reversing, there should be 2 seperate WAVs, one for a doo opening, and another for it closing - no reason you should have to play a sound backwards.
yeah Sandwich, i know it's impossible to play the same sound backward... right now i'm using the opening sound AND the closing sound, but i'm working on making a sound STOP when the user rollsOUT... which it's not doing right now :p
working on the menu
Post by: Galemp on October 22, 2002, 01:56:16 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 22, 2002, 03:44:04 pm
there is going to be a seperate text file which has the links to specific files/folders so the user can edit it whenever he/she wants...if they want it to not link to anything, they just don't put a link in the file... it's that easy
...well, that easy for them... not that easy for me that's trying to program it :p
Post by: Sandwich on October 22, 2002, 03:46:11 pm
As for how I did the SWF as a desktop, you need an OS that supports either Active Desktop, or just simply supports having an HTML file as the desktop. Either way is the same, you past the above code into the HTML file, save it, and display that file on your desktop.
Post by: Stealth on October 23, 2002, 10:22:19 am
"StopallSounds()"
lol :D
but it's better to turn off various components, don't you think?
or should there just be a 'mute' and 'play' button :D
Post by: Stealth on October 24, 2002, 10:52:55 am
Post by: Sandwich on October 24, 2002, 05:38:04 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 25, 2002, 12:59:33 pm
Post by: EdrickV on October 25, 2002, 04:43:09 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 25, 2002, 06:01:16 pm
Goober5000 converted the bastion anis
Post by: EdrickV on October 25, 2002, 08:53:13 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 26, 2002, 09:58:49 am
and i still needed to download the Bastion GIFs :mad:
oh well, no point me doing them until i get the Galatea released, which i'm *still* working on :rolleyes:
ALL i need is to find out how to link to files, i suspect it's javascript, but i dunno
Post by: Galemp on October 26, 2002, 12:38:55 pm
Post by: EdrickV on October 26, 2002, 12:48:28 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 27, 2002, 10:24:17 am
when you click on the button, instead of popping up a calculator, it pops up a download window asking if the user would like to download the calculator.
The best i can do right now (which i may just have to go with!) is getting the user to install a small (relatively) plugin, which will allow me to override this 'download' thing.
Post by: Goober5000 on October 27, 2002, 03:46:07 pm
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That's why I said still up. The page linked to doesn't have a download link for them, just for a table cleaner program.
The page is supposed to be "temporary"; i.e. they're not up there forever. I don't want to occupy space with something people are only going to download once.
Stealth, what do you mean you haven't downloaded the Bastion GIFs yet? :mad: I took them off because I thought you had them. Now I'll have to reupload them.
CoffeeCup makes an excellent GIF converter program; that's what I've been using. Problem is, it won't do AVI's that are too big, so I've been having to piece it together back and forth with Illustrator. I converted all the ANIs from both halls for both Freespaces - I didn't forget the misc. ones. :)
The GIFs are now back up at (copy & paste)
http://www.geocities.com/ipw47/bastion_gifs.zip
but they'll only be up for a day - download them quick before I take them off again. If you don't like this, yell at Shrike for me. He was supposed to give me moderator privileges for the T-V war forum (and attachment permissions along with it) a week ago, and he hasn't done it yet.
Post by: Solatar on October 27, 2002, 04:00:17 pm
click (http://www.3dap.com//hlp/hosted/14_year_war/site//bastion_gifs.zip)
Post by: Goober5000 on October 27, 2002, 04:20:19 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 27, 2002, 06:57:54 pm
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yell at Shrike for me
no, i yell at Shrike for me ;) just kidding
actually i'm still waiting for my FTP access, but i guess he's handled (handling) that, so it's just a matter of time till i get word from Gamespy... i guess :p lol
i still can't figure out the file linking thing... i'm going to speak to a Windows professional tomorrow afternoon, see if he can help me
Post by: EdrickV on October 27, 2002, 07:04:46 pm
Warnings were issued - see below for details
Testing ...
warning [C:/WINDOWS/Desktop/bastion_gifs.zip]: extra 1 bytes at beginning or within Zip file (attempting to process anyway)
Error in file #1: bad Zip file offset (Error local header signature not found): 0
(attempting to re-compensate)
testing: main2-d1-bk.gif OK
testing: main2-d1-fd.gif OK
testing: main2-d2-bk.gif OK
testing: main2-d2-fd.gif OK
testing: main2-d3-bk.gif OK
testing: main2-d3-fd.gif OK
testing: main2-d4-bk.gif OK
testing: main2-d4-fd.gif OK
testing: main2-d5-bk.gif OK
testing: main2-d5-fd.gif OK
testing: main2-d6-bk.gif OK
testing: main2-d6-fd.gif OK
testing: main2-m1.gif OK
testing: main2-m2.gif OK
testing: main2-m3.gif Error: unexpected end of file encountered
Error: invalid compressed data to inflate
Error in file #16: bad Zip file offset (Error local header signature not found): 2879440
(attempting to re-compensate)
testing: main2-m4.gif OK
testing: readme.txt OK
At least one warning-error was detected in C:/WINDOWS/Desktop/bastion_gifs.zip.
Post by: Stealth on October 27, 2002, 07:12:11 pm
Post by: Solatar on October 27, 2002, 07:24:43 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 27, 2002, 07:27:14 pm
Hades, check the Terran-Vasudan War Project forum
Post by: Goober5000 on October 27, 2002, 07:58:57 pm
You don't need it right now anyway, so I'll just FTP it when I get access to the T-V war site.
Post by: Stealth on October 28, 2002, 10:53:44 am
Post by: Anaz on October 28, 2002, 11:50:22 am
Post by: Stealth on October 28, 2002, 11:51:14 am
this is a seperate project, and i'm heading it, and me, Goober, and Hades don't want it on! so there!
EDIT: thanks for asking though :)
Post by: Goober5000 on October 28, 2002, 01:01:38 pm
Post by: Stealth on October 28, 2002, 01:06:25 pm
it will be hosted on HLP (Gamespy's servers), as well as mine, (fiber-optic connection)... we don't need more than one primary and one mirror site.
we'll think about it though... but i doubt we'll need much publicity... it's not going to be that popular :p
nonetheless... Goober and Hades, you guys make the final decision as to have it listed in Analazon's list or not
Post by: Stealth on October 28, 2002, 01:08:45 pm
Sorry about that... i just didn't want you telling us what to do, i didn't read it correctly :)
Post by: Anaz on October 28, 2002, 01:10:19 pm
the database will point to a download site, and a few screenshots. Also you can have a description with it...
Post by: Stealth on October 28, 2002, 01:26:52 pm
...when it's completed that is :p :cool: :wink:
Post by: Stealth on October 31, 2002, 11:58:07 am
Post by: Stealth on November 04, 2002, 09:07:19 pm
Credits:
Myself (for making the entire thing, duh)
Goober5000 (for converting to GIFs)
Hades (original concept, providing ANIs/AVIs)
am i leaving anyone out? anyway, stay tuned... coming very soon. i'll PM you both and make a new thread in the HARD LIGHT forum which (hopefully) Sandwich can sticky for us, giving the release. when all bugs are out of that release, i'll start on the Bastion, then the FS2 main halls. it should go pretty smoothly the others, cause i'll know how to do everything... perhaps about 2 hours of work maximum on each hall. perhaps Shrike can even get us a forum for this! I mean, it's a pretty big thing... four main halls (desktops)... also, i was thinking maybe the three of us could form a team and have a forum, website, etc. that specializes in everything Freespace interface related... including desktop themes, desktops, etc.
?
Post by: Goober5000 on November 04, 2002, 10:22:24 pm
Post by: Sandwich on November 05, 2002, 06:14:44 am
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Originally posted by Stealth
perhaps Shrike can even get us a forum for this!
I don't quite think so...
Post by: Stealth on November 05, 2002, 09:06:22 am
Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich
I don't quite think so...
yeah i know that'll never happen... but it sounded good :D
i think maybe i can set up a forum for us at VW, i'll see... probably not though.
Goober5000: They're going to have to install a plugin, but that shouldn't be too bad
Post by: Stealth on November 05, 2002, 09:13:13 am
HERE
it asks if you want to downlaod it... so i'm going to have to include a plugin.
put that code into notepad and save as a .HTML or .HTM file... you see it links to the file, but it asks if you want to download a plugin or something like that, which is really gay... gah i dunno!
Post by: Stealth on November 05, 2002, 12:51:11 pm
*decides to lower himself to the level of asking flash mastas in online forums*
Post by: Goober5000 on November 09, 2002, 11:54:35 pm
Post by: Stealth on November 10, 2002, 12:22:16 am
finding a way to link to folders/files in Flash
everything else is done... 99.999999999999999% of the work...
if anyone knows, i beg them to come forward...
otherwise:
*still searching for a way*
Post by: Goober5000 on November 10, 2002, 01:14:48 am
If that's the case, then what you could do is start a batch file that would start another program based on its arguments.
Post by: Stealth on November 11, 2002, 11:03:55 am
Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
Can you start a program within Flash? Like, suppose you didn't use hyperlinks. Could you hard-code Calculator to start automatically when you click somewhere?
If that's the case, then what you could do is start a batch file that would start another program based on its arguments.
i've never had to do that... i'm sure (in fact, i KNOW) it can be done through Javascript, but i can't find exactly! if people would help me search for the answer i'd appreciate it :)
Post by: DTP on November 18, 2002, 03:41:23 pm
the rest is putting in a background, and place the gifs so it looks right, which may be the hard part.
and then make an html document and point the active desktop, towards it.
pretty sure i could do it, if i set my mind to it.
edit 4
that Vb code "code" dont work properly
i tried posting some java aswell assome plain html, and it parsed it and did all sort of screwy things.
test:ok i know the following is not PHP so ignore it, but it dont parses IMG tags.so the following is part HTML and part java.
And this is the HTML
onMouseOver="links.src='images/headers/menu2.gif'"
onMouseOut="links.src='images/headers/menu2.JPG'">
onmouseout="window.status='Welcome to frames 3d page'; return true">Note the JPG files can be replaced by an GIF files so that you have one for opening doors, and one for closing doors
just make them a single time loop. and it will play GIF1 when you move the mouse over, and GIF2 when you remove the mouse from the picture area.
enclose it in "a href =" tags and you have the normal html links.
that would take you somewhere when you click it.
note the java script is optional, its just a handy thing for making sure that people get all images displayed at once sine they already have the pics cached in "temporary internet files" directory.
Post by: Goober5000 on November 18, 2002, 04:27:10 pm
Click (file://C:\WINDOWS\CALC.EXE)
When you click on it, Calculator doesn't run...it brings up the Save As dialog. How do you get Calculator to run instead of be "downloaded" from something that's on your hard drive already anyway?
Post by: EdrickV on November 18, 2002, 05:14:29 pm
Post by: Goober5000 on November 18, 2002, 05:15:16 pm
Post by: EdrickV on November 18, 2002, 05:24:26 pm
http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/action_scripts/actionscript_dictionary/actionscript_dictionary372.html
Post by: Goober5000 on November 18, 2002, 05:55:38 pm
Post by: DTP on November 18, 2002, 06:01:40 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
Okay...Stealth has done all that (read the thread) and the flash is just about ready for release...the only thing he needs is a way to hyperlink a file without bringing up the Save As dialog. See for yourself...
Click (file://C:\WINDOWS\CALC.EXE)
When you click on it, Calculator doesn't run...it brings up the Save As dialog. How do you get Calculator to run instead of be "downloaded" from something that's on your hard drive already anyway?
no he has not, he has created a flash file, i would do it with a active desktop with normal html / java thing.
so there i said, "all you need to do"
read between the line "instead of flash".
and i have read most of the relevant replies. The thing with him wanting to open exe files directly, with confirmation from the user us not possible with a plain Flash or HTML or even some sort of nifty PHP or java script.
i can see it before me if it where possible, what would happen. virus would be everywhere if ones HD could get written to, by a single click.
the embed tag would ofcourse open exe files that are linked to open files but, the calculater uses no files and therefore the embed command would not work for that.
maybe a windows scripting "script" could be configured to open exe files that are indrectly activated by an embed tag, but that would require people to have windows scripting host installed, and some anti-virus programs may not like it.
maybe the script file would look something like this in a vbs file.
a file called runcalc.vbs
Set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
WshShell.Run "%windir%\calc "
and in an html doc
Post by: Stealth on November 19, 2002, 01:10:40 pm
i'm going to try everything you've said as soon as i get home... i'll let you know the results... i don't know if FSCOMMAND would work, but i'll try it
Post by: Stealth on November 19, 2002, 01:13:17 pm
Quote
Originally posted by DTP
all you need to do is to use a java script with on mouse over properties and actions. i have it somewhere.
the rest is putting in a background, and place the gifs so it looks right, which may be the hard part.
and then make an html document and point the active desktop, towards it.
pretty sure i could do it, if i set my mind to it.
edit 4
that Vb code "code" dont work properly
i tried posting some java aswell assome plain html, and it parsed it and did all sort of screwy things.
test:ok i know the following is not PHP so ignore it, but it dont parses IMG tags.so the following is part HTML and part java.
{CODE}
Note the JPG files can be replaced by an GIF files so that you have one for opening doors, and one for closing doors
just make them a single time loop. and it will play GIF1 when you move the mouse over, and GIF2 when you remove the mouse from the picture area.
enclose it in "a href =" tags and you have the normal html links.
that would take you somewhere when you click it.
note the java script is optional, its just a handy thing for making sure that people get all images displayed at once sine they already have the pics cached in "temporary internet files" directory.
that might work alright but the only problem is what if the user moves his mouse over the door, and halfway through it opening he moves the mouse off... then it "jumps" to the full open position and then closes... it doesn't look right.
i came across that same problem in flash, and figured out a script to fix that by calculating totalframes - currentframes, etc. the ony thing i need is how to get to link to files :)
i could also do it in Java, but then i'd have to do each GIF as an individual JPEG... (like 32 JPEGs per animation... which is 64 for each "open/close") so that you can make the opening and closing of the doors smooth.
I've spent hours and hours and hours on this thing, and it's 99.99999999999% completed in Flash, i just need how to link to files, that's the only obstacle remaining... i'll try what you said when i get home
Post by: Stealth on November 19, 2002, 03:45:21 pm
DTP... everything you're telling me has nothing to do with what i'm doing in Flash, does it? you're talking about Javascript and all that, arne't you?
Post by: DTP on November 19, 2002, 05:41:12 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
DTP... everything you're telling me has nothing to do with what i'm doing in Flash, does it? you're talking about Javascript and all that, arne't you?
well actually im talking about a two things
ActiveX & javascript, but you dont need javascript to do what i proposed.
now i dont have a whole lot of experience when it comes to "reg-ing" activeX objects, i did make a fast test document that does not work however.
But i think thats because i got lazy and wrote a .reg file to take care of all the "reg-ing". That test file activated my anti-virus prog. html file since i was embedding for a VBS file activates Nortons script-blocking
and finally, im not even sure wscript.exe can be activated as an Active x object. wscript would miss a way to be shown in a browser, even when it should be hidden. something i think a object file or better, DLL file would take care of, as in the case of the mediaplayer.
Post by: Stealth on November 19, 2002, 07:20:23 pm
see, it's not that i don't know how to link to files correctly... it's i don't know how to link to files correctly in Flash :p
Post by: EdrickV on November 19, 2002, 07:39:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
eck... i can't get the FS COMMAND to work... didn't think i'd be able to. i've known you can use a FS COMMAND "exec" command to open a program sucessfully... even to open a folder... but you can only have it do it when it's opening the SWF file through Flash standalone player.. .if it opens through an HTML file or through a browser then it won't work.
I thought that might be a problem but wasn't sure. There may be a work around though. If you can get a JavaScript function that can run a program you may be able to call that function using FS Command.
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Usage 2: To use the fscommand action to send a message to a scripting language such as JavaScript in a Web browser, you can pass any two parameters in the command and parameters parameters. These parameters can be strings or expressions and are used in a JavaScript function that "catches," or handles, the fscommand action.
In a Web browser, the fscommand action calls the JavaScript function moviename_DoFScommand in the HTML page containing the Flash movie. The moviename is the name of the Flash Player as assigned by the NAME attribute of the EMBED tag or the ID property of the OBJECT tag. If you assign the Flash Player the name myMovie , the JavaScript function called is myMovie_DoFScommand.
Post by: Stealth on November 20, 2002, 01:19:58 pm
Quote
Originally posted by EdrickV
I thought that might be a problem but wasn't sure. There may be a work around though. If you can get a JavaScript function that can run a program you may be able to call that function using FS Command.
that's not a problem... i discovered a few days ago, that i can get Flash's "FS COMMAND" 'exec' function to open a batch file that opens a program... this works perfectly, and it's good because if the user wants to change what the file links to all he/she does is edit the batch file using a text editor.
the only problem is that this FS COMMAND thing that calls the batch file only works when it's opened with a Flash Standalone player... when you use the plugin in your browser, or open it through a HTML file, it doesn't recognize the FS command. also, i'm hoping someone will figure out how to make an SWF file a background without using a HTML document.
either that, or i i have to figure out how to make an HTML document (used as a background (desktop) on a computer) to recognize FS COMMANDs...
it's one or the other
one of those, and it's made.
Post by: Stealth on November 20, 2002, 01:26:53 pm
one step forward... two steps back
out of the frying pan into the fire
i solve one problem, and two more pop up
Post by: EdrickV on November 21, 2002, 12:32:20 am
Code: [Select]
if(command == "Open")
{
if(arguments == "Elevator Button")
run("notepad.exe");
if(arguments == "Tech Room Button"
run("wordpad.exe");
}
The trick is, I'm not exactly sure how to use JavaScript to run a program from a HTML document. (In other words, I'm not sure what JavaScript's equivilent to FSCommand "exec" "file" is.)
Post by: Stealth on November 21, 2002, 10:40:10 am
Quote
Originally posted by EdrickV
I'm not exactly sure how to use JavaScript to run a program from a HTML document. (In other words, I'm not sure what JavaScript's equivilent to FSCommand "exec" "file" is.)
that's my problem too...
think you could help me research it? cause i don't know javascript
Post by: EdrickV on November 21, 2002, 11:53:00 pm
Post by: Stealth on November 22, 2002, 11:35:40 am
Post by: Stealth on November 22, 2002, 12:44:24 pm
it's called "Flash Desktop 2002" (i think)
... it allows you to make SWF files into Desktop files.
i hope it works...
i also figured out that an HTML file with Flash in it (or a plain SWF) cannot be made into a desktop... but this program may work
i'll test it when i get home ;)
let you know
Post by: EdrickV on November 22, 2002, 07:37:33 pm
Post by: Stealth on November 23, 2002, 12:56:04 pm
see... the only problem is how to make buttons in an SWF embedded in an HTML file work... i am clueless
Post by: Stealth on November 26, 2002, 10:33:09 am
i think this project is over... i don't think there's any way to get this to work (in Flash anyhow... i'll try Java perhaps)
i guess that's why there's so few (any?) Flash desktops out there that open files when you click buttons :(
Post by: kasperl on November 26, 2002, 10:39:27 am
dunno if it wil work, but it will!
Post by: Stealth on November 26, 2002, 03:50:08 pm
i thought of that... make a HTML hyperlink in the HTML file, but i don't know if it's possible to make a link OVER a Flash movie... it might be...
also then we're back to the problem of instead of opening the program it asks if you want to download it :p
nonetheless, i'll look into this.
any more suggestions? :)
Post by: Goober5000 on November 26, 2002, 03:54:55 pm
That way, yes, you have to "download" the batch file from your hard drive anyway, but you only need to do it once, and once you do it should run every single other program automatically (assuming you pass it the right parameters).
Post by: kasperl on November 27, 2002, 08:26:49 am
Post by: Stealth on November 27, 2002, 10:59:50 am
Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
Remember my batch file suggestion? Have you tried that?
That way, yes, you have to "download" the batch file from your hard drive anyway, but you only need to do it once, and once you do it should run every single other program automatically (assuming you pass it the right parameters).
I've been using the batch file... that seems to be the best way, except i can't find a way to CALL the batch file when the SWF is opened in the browser or through an HTML file
Post by: Stealth on November 27, 2002, 11:00:24 am
Post by: Goober5000 on November 27, 2002, 11:03:58 am
Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
I've been using the batch file... that seems to be the best way, except i can't find a way to CALL the batch file when the SWF is opened in the browser or through an HTML file
just do a url - "file:///C:\temp\mybatchfile.bat -a -b -c"; won't that work?
or, as a last resort, call a separate batch file for each hotspot - and people can change what each batch file does if they need to.
Post by: kasperl on November 27, 2002, 12:10:18 pm
you make an invisible one, i mean one with an invisible icon and no name, if possible. you place it over the cickable area, and when you doubleclcik on the area, you actually click on the shortcut, wich will do it`s job. as i said, it`s really messy, and if someone organzies is desktop, it won't work, because al the shortcuts will have moved, and i don't know how to make an shortcut with an script, or toplace it exactly ware you want it, but perhaps it`s possible, but look at my signature, i'm just a newbie
:nervous:
and one question,a bit OT. how do you create a shortcut on the desktop or in the start menu? i mean with a script, no just manually.
Post by: Stealth on November 27, 2002, 01:42:48 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
just do a url - "file:///C:\temp\mybatchfile.bat -a -b -c"; won't that work?
or, as a last resort, call a separate batch file for each hotspot - and people can change what each batch file does if they need to.
i've tried all that... the problem is it's impossible for an SWF to call anything external througha browser... the browser doens't let it
Post by: Stealth on November 27, 2002, 01:45:08 pm
Quote
Originally posted by kasperl
just an shortcut,without an icon, a desktop shortcut like standard windows. you know, those things on your desktop.
you make an invisible one, i mean one with an invisible icon and no name, if possible. you place it over the cickable area, and when you doubleclcik on the area, you actually click on the shortcut, wich will do it`s job. as i said, it`s really messy, and if someone organzies is desktop, it won't work, because al the shortcuts will have moved, and i don't know how to make an shortcut with an script, or toplace it exactly ware you want it, but perhaps it`s possible, but look at my signature, i'm just a newbie
:nervous:
and one question,a bit OT. how do you create a shortcut on the desktop or in the start menu? i mean with a script, no just manually.
no that wouldn't work... we don't want double-clicks, and like you said, it's too hard to align, etc.
to create a shortcut on the desktop, right click any file anywhere, and click "send to" and then "desktop (as shortcut)"
to add something to the start menu, just drag it onto the start menu, or copy and paste it to C:\windows\start menu\
Post by: Rampage on November 28, 2002, 12:46:56 pm
Post by: EdrickV on November 28, 2002, 01:02:38 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Rampage
Just on another topic, is there a DEFINITE release of the active desktop?
Active Desktop has been around since before Win98 I believe. It's a feature built into Win98 through XP and included with IE 4.0 or newer, so your question doesn't make a lot of sense. If you mean the shockwave desktop thing, it's looking like making one that actually does anything may be impossible through Active Desktop/Flash which would mean that there's nothing to release.
Post by: Stealth on November 28, 2002, 01:19:19 pm
Post by: Rampage on November 28, 2002, 02:44:53 pm
Quote
Originally posted by EdrickV
Active Desktop has been around since before Win98 I believe. It's a feature built into Win98 through XP and included with IE 4.0 or newer, so your question doesn't make a lot of sense. If you mean the shockwave desktop thing, it's looking like making one that actually does anything may be impossible through Active Desktop/Flash which would mean that there's nothing to release.
Oops! I mean the Freespace Desktop. I hate it when I do this to myself! :p
Post by: Stealth on November 28, 2002, 05:40:12 pm
Post by: Goober5000 on November 28, 2002, 07:00:37 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Rampage
Just on another topic, is there a DEFINITE release of the active desktop?
EdrickV's posting was in response to this. :p
Post by: Stealth on November 28, 2002, 09:03:19 pm
Post by: Stealth on December 08, 2002, 09:36:59 pm
all will have sound (you can toggle on and off) as well as the background music (you can toggle on and off)...
unfortunately clicking on a door won't make it open anything (i'm working on making it... but not yet :D ) but if you click it will open, but bring up a download window asking you "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO OPEN THIS FILE" ...
anyone interested? or is it not worth doing till i can do it 100% :(
Post by: Goober5000 on December 08, 2002, 09:50:22 pm
and I think it stinks that you've gotten this far and the link stuff isn't working :mad:
:rolleyes: :blah:
Post by: Stealth on December 09, 2002, 11:03:45 am
Post by: Stealth on December 09, 2002, 06:50:13 pm
Post by: Galemp on December 09, 2002, 10:06:46 pm
Post by: Goober5000 on December 09, 2002, 10:34:58 pm
Maybe you can work on the other ships, too - and just wait for a solution.
Post by: Stealth on December 09, 2002, 10:48:07 pm
Quote
Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
You can still grab the Flash file and set it as your desktop. It's just that nothing happens when you click on the doors. That's good enough for me.
but WHY... for what purpose? :(
you still need icons and everything... :( :( :( :( :(
is there any new IE release coming out soon? Flash MX has just been released, so there's no new Flash for a while... perhaps the newest IE to be released will support this kind of thing
i can still make doors link to files, you're just going to have to click "open file" when you click on it :(
oh well... i'm going to keep searching, seems devastating for this amount of work to just go down the drain, or partially down the drain
Post by: EdrickV on December 10, 2002, 04:04:56 am
Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
Maybe you can work on the other ships, too - and just wait for a solution.
I don't think there will be a real "solution" because, at least from Microsoft's point of view, it's not a problem. It's a feature. If you could have an HTML document run a program just by clicking a link, with no confirmation dialog, it would be quite a security hole.
Post by: Unknown Target on December 10, 2002, 05:08:17 am
W00t! I have the 20,000th post!
Post by: Fetty on December 10, 2002, 05:52:44 am
its an swf file
open it with IE
Post by: Unknown Target on December 10, 2002, 09:26:18 am
Post by: Stealth on December 10, 2002, 10:59:47 am
Quote
Originally posted by Fetty
installer for what ?
its an swf file
open it with IE
opening it up with IE and making it a background (Desktop) is a totally different thing.
i'll put an installer... all you do is click it, then click 'install' and it puts it as your desktop
Post by: Goober5000 on December 10, 2002, 11:29:25 am
Perhaps they say so in the CHM documentation how they do that.
Post by: Stealth on December 10, 2002, 11:57:07 am
Post by: Goober5000 on December 10, 2002, 12:07:13 pm
Again, I'm not positive, but I do think this is possible.
Post by: Stealth on December 10, 2002, 12:10:37 pm
Post by: Stealth on December 12, 2002, 10:46:06 pm
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Launching a PowerPoint Slide Show from Flash
By utilizing FSCommand exec and a batch (.bat) file (PC), you can launch a PowerPoint slide show from your Flash presentation menu.
1) In Flash, assign an action script to your link with the following fscommand exec:
on (release) {
fscommand ("exec", "launcher.bat");
}
(in this example FSCommand exec executes a batch file called launcher.bat)
2) Create a batch file (i.e. launcher.bat) containing a single command:
START presentations/SlideShow_A.pps
(In this example SlideShow_A.pps resides in a folder called presentations)
3) You must publish a flash .exe file (or run your .swf file directly since this won't work with an .swf file called by an html document)
4) Right click on your launcher.bat file and check the "Close on exit" box. (This will create an MSDOS shortcut in the same root as the batch file. This is necessary! Do not change or delete this new file! Note, that you will still call the launcher.bat file with fscommand exec.)
Note that step 4 immediately closes that ugly MSDOS prompt window so it's not hanging around waiting for the .pps file to launch, and won't be sitting there on top of your flash menu when you exit out of your slide show.
B.T.W., why must you launch a batch file? FSCommand exec isn't capable of opening a specific file with an application, just the application itself.
this is the method i'm using at the moment... it seems the 'closest' to working :)
Note the last line
Post by: Goober5000 on December 12, 2002, 11:12:46 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
this is the method i'm using at the moment... it seems the 'closest' to working :)
Note the last line
All that the last line means is that the Flash can't open "mypresentation.ppt" while opening PowerPoint. By using a batch file, you can pass arguments.
This is what I had in mind originally, but here's the kicker...
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You must publish a flash .exe file (or run your .swf file directly) since this won't work with an .swf file called by an html document
We need a way around that.
Post by: Stealth on December 13, 2002, 11:43:12 am
Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
All that the last line means is that the Flash can't open "mypresentation.ppt" while opening PowerPoint. By using a batch file, you can pass arguments.
yeah, i quoted the wrong line ;)
the last line means that it can't open a direct file or application... you've got to open a file (.TXT, .BAT, .CFG, whatever) to open in turn the other file
only obstacle right now: Can't even get a file (.BAT) opened AT ALL!!! when the SWF is being opened via an HTML document... which just happens to be the method that is used as a desktop :( :sigh:
Post by: EdrickV on December 14, 2002, 06:56:13 am
Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
yeah, i quoted the wrong line ;)
the last line means that it can't open a direct file or application... you've got to open a file (.TXT, .BAT, .CFG, whatever) to open in turn the other file
only obstacle right now: Can't even get a file (.BAT) opened AT ALL!!! when the SWF is being opened via an HTML document... which just happens to be the method that is used as a desktop :( :sigh:
The exec fscommand only works in the Flash player which means for a wallpaper file it's useless. We already went through that.
Post by: Stealth on December 14, 2002, 09:35:57 am
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Originally posted by EdrickV
The exec fscommand only works in the Flash player which means for a wallpaper file it's useless. We already went through that.
Correction: I[/i] already went through that...
i'm just summarizing what the status is in the meantime, so a new person to this thread doesn't have to read through 10 pages... if you're good at Flash, then figure out a way through this
Post by: Stealth on December 23, 2002, 02:31:05 pm
:D
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/hostedpictures/mainhallv8.exe
Post by: Stealth on August 08, 2004, 02:16:16 pm
I've got some new ideas, and with new technology out, there's a much better chance of this working. stay tuned, and if anyone has any ideas, let me know.
Post by: Hippo on August 08, 2004, 02:20:14 pm
I was quite suprised to find an email saying that someone had posted here... I didn't even remember it, and i was quite confused... You know this'll cause chaos, right? All this reading of 2 years ago and stuff...
Post by: Stealth on August 08, 2004, 08:33:29 pm
stay tuned ;)
P.S. chaos? naaa ;)
Post by: Taristin on August 08, 2004, 08:38:51 pm
Post by: Kamikaze on August 08, 2004, 08:57:28 pm
That'd be nice 'cause SVG is probbaly less resource intensive than flash and works well with html/css, but Microsoft is developing a competitor to Flash and SVG. Ridiculous...
Post by: Taristin on August 08, 2004, 09:04:52 pm
Post by: egon on August 08, 2004, 09:58:10 pm
the only problem might be getting the animations working at the same time.
i don't know if litestep supports active desktops (i don't actually know the slightest thing about active desktops) but if it doesnt then you couldn't just have the html file as the background with litestep handling the links, you'd need a litestep module that can handle gifs (or mngs) and off the top of the head i don't know of any that can do that.
getting rid of flash might be a good idea too, it's just real heavy and takes up space.
if all the flash is basically doing is replaying a gif then you could just use css to absolutely position the gifs which would certainly result in a smaller file than the flash would
Post by: Night Hammer on August 09, 2004, 12:10:23 am
Post by: Stealth on August 09, 2004, 12:40:43 am
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
It's possible to do a lot of the stuff mentioned here using creative html/javascript/css.
No, it's not the HTML, Javascript, etc. that's limiting the SWF from opening external files... it's the SWF itself. it's a security feature built into Flash's SWF plugin.
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Originally posted by Night Hammer
so is there anywhere to d/l any of this?
looks like the (2 year old) links are not working :p i'll upload all the stuff tonight...
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getting rid of flash might be a good idea too, it's just real heavy and takes up space.
if all the flash is basically doing is replaying a gif then you could just use css to absolutely position the gifs which would certainly result in a smaller file than the flash would
1) it's not quite as simple as replaying a GIF. we looked into other possibilities, and Flash stood out as being by far the easiest and most effective. You'll have to see the mainhall to understand what we're talking about
2) file size doesn't matter. the file (if we ever get it as a desktop) is going to be local, so as long as the user can spare 5 or 6 MB, he/she will be fine. also remember the large file size is mainly from the large mainhall bitmap (the static background) and the multiple sounds and animations that are playing with it. whether you use Flash or not, the file size won't differ by more than a few hundred KB at most.
Post by: Hippo on August 09, 2004, 02:53:01 pm
Post by: Stealth on August 11, 2004, 10:07:22 am
EDIT:
HTML's disabled in this forum apparently
go here:
http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/loadgalatea.html
Post by: Taristin on August 11, 2004, 10:14:15 am
Post by: Night Hammer on August 11, 2004, 10:15:16 am
Post by: Taristin on August 11, 2004, 10:21:53 am
Now up the resolution :p
Post by: Night Hammer on August 11, 2004, 10:27:09 am
Post by: Hippo on August 11, 2004, 10:31:13 am
Post by: Hippo on August 11, 2004, 10:39:00 am
under display properties, sleect desktop. click customize. click add page (or whatever the top button is). enter the URL. Wait for it to load. a small black box will appear on your desktop saying part of the preloader (rest is cut off)... slowly move mouse along top of screen till a grey bar appears. use maximise button (first on left aong right side of bar). wait for preloader to finish. :p
Post by: Stealth on August 11, 2004, 03:06:32 pm
as far as resolution, i can "up" the resolution, but because the mainhall background and all its animations are regular bitmaps, it's going to lose a LOT of quality. unless if someone can get me a high resolution background.
as far as the seamless operation of the doors, etc. i have that down i think. if the door's closing and you move your mouse over it, it opens back up, etc. with just the right delay that the original freespace main hall has.
Post by: Stealth on August 11, 2004, 03:22:50 pm
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[-Option 1 (http://www.swooh.com/hlphosted/galateabackgroundstretched.exe)-]
Option 1 is for anyone who would like to make the main hall their background, but they run a resolution other than 640x480 (the original size of the mainhall used in Freespace). The mainhall will be "stretched" to fit your background, but the more it has to stretch (i.e. the larger your resolution) the more quality will be lost. However, it will take up the full screen, regardless what resolution you're running
[-Option 2 (http://www.swooh.com/hlphosted/galateabackgroundoriginalsize.exe)-]
Option 2 is for people who would like to retain the quality of the mainhall, by keeping the mainhall desktop its current size. The 640x480 flash file will be displayed in the center of your desktop, and regardless of your resolution will remain there, its current size. The outside fill is black.
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Any questions, comments, suggestions, complaints, etc. let me know
Post by: Hippo on August 11, 2004, 03:43:26 pm
anyone up to tackling the screensaver?
Post by: Stealth on August 11, 2004, 04:49:00 pm
*downloads the one you're talking about*
seems to be working fine for me.
Post by: Stealth on August 11, 2004, 05:53:56 pm