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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: aldo_14 on August 04, 2001, 12:01:00 pm
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well, i've decided to abandon the campaign "The Ghost and the Darkness". Although I've had plenty of help in other areas, i simply don't have the time or the patience to make the models that were necessarry to pull it off.
Frankly, I was churning out sub-standard models, and I've not been particualrly happy with the appearance of any of the things I've turned out so far.... also I've lost the will to make the types of models I'd planned on.
All the finalised models will be posted on the web - the Warlock, Diablo and the Gagana. Not the Vilvakis, as that is being used in another mod.
The Vesuvius will also be made available to anyone who wants to texture it, and the blender / dxf files of the Pachet will also be released if anyone wants them. Possibly the Terran Pride juggernaut, depending on whether I decide I like it or not.
In the next few months i'll be concentrating on making better fighter models, and trying to improve my texturing skills to a decent level. Possibly then I'll consider starting another campaign.
Apologies to everyone who was involved with the campaign / mods, I have to carry the blame for taking on more than I can handle. I'd also like to thank Raven, Avenger, Unidan, Pez, Shadowcat, Zeta Leader (plus some others I've forgotten) for offering their help.
Oh, and the full storyline will be released to anyone who was interested.... it was a fantastic idea (I feel), but ultimately too ambitious for so few people.
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[This message has been edited by aldo_14 (edited 08-04-2001).]
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Oh, by the way:
Originally posted by aldo_14:
Frankly, I was churning out sub-standard models, and I've not been particualrly happy with the appearance of any of the things I've turned out so far
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That's bullsh1t. Just look at, say, the claymore and the warlock. Sub-standard? pfff.
But I can't blame you, after all, I just hope you're sure it's really what you want to do.
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Originally posted by venom2506:
Oh, by the way:
That's bullsh1t. Just look at, say, the claymore and the warlock. Sub-standard? pfff.
But I can't blame you, after all, I just hope you're sure it's really what you want to do.
Claymore was good, I still like it - but the textures were kinda dull - very little detail on them. and the Warlcok had bugs with the turrets showing thorugh the hull on diagonal slopes, and some other crap I nitpicked at ...
Basically, I looked at the stuff that the Babylon 5 team were doing.... and I decided i wanted to achieve that level of detail to my ships for me to be happy with them.
I know i can do it, but I need time to learn more about using TS (namely grouping faces, joining objects), more work on using UV mapping with UVUnwrap, and a lot of time working with PSP. With 18 models to do, i wouldn't/ didn't have that time.
[This message has been edited by aldo_14 (edited 08-04-2001).]
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the babylon project has been runing for 20 months now. Its not surprising you cant get to the point we're at...we also have more team members...dont give up hope...we have come to the brink of despair on a number of occasions on our mod. Bear with it. I would love to help many of the other mods out there, but simply put there are too many good ideas and too little truly talented people to see them through. I have beta chunks of a lot of the babylon project files instaled now...its really gonna blow everyone away i cant wait to get the first release out.
Aldo and the other good modders on this board should get together and come up with a good campaign of your own. I know you guys could do it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Sorry to hear it...
If you do decide to toss it, consider helping out with another campiagn...there are a couple dozens of campaigns out there, and pretty much ALL of them want help. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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What about the GTD Ogre?
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Originally posted by StarGunner:
What about the GTD Ogre?
I deleted it a while ago - I was trying to make a new model, but I got sick of having to correct the flipped normals.
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(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) Me love the warlock (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Yo will definately see that and a few other of ur own models in my campaign aldo (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Sorry to hear about the cancellation, Aldo. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
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Originally posted by aldo_14:
Basically, I looked at the stuff that the Babylon 5 team were doing.... and I decided i wanted to achieve that level of detail to my ships for me to be happy with them.
They also have reference models and maps. That's an incredible help. Think of it this way... You're being creative, they're just rehashing a TV show. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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But... that fighter is cool! Angular fighters look very Terran!
But if you're serious about quitting your camapaign, do you wanna join mine? [puppy eyes]
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Aldo, although your models might not have the wonderful Ace/Dark or XWAU quality models, they were by no means substandard... In fact, I found them all very nice, and I think after seeing XWAU quality models day after day... You might get what I mean.
It's unfortunate that you decided to cancel the campaign, and I do wish you didn't. But I understand your frustration and also well, for texturing, check out here ("http://www.xwaupgrade.com/tutorials/texturing.htm") (sorry, but it's the best I know).
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easy shrike ! yes you are right, having maps helps a lot, but then our ships have to be accurate cos people know what they should be like. a model made by yourself can look however you want. and check out the ring station when i release it...i made the maps for that. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Whoa. This is not good. Aldo, I'm really sorry that you can't go on with this. I, like many others here, know what you feel like right now and how it is like to just be entirely drained. But you musn't completely trash the thing, not now - the standard of your work is just too high to just let dissipate. Just leave the campaign on hold for now, and come back to it later. Don't give up, not just yet (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Aldo, as I've said on ICQ, I think it's a bad idea to leave your MOD, but I thank you alot for respecting how much the Vilvakis (or the Diomedes) mean to my MOD.
Thanks a LOT for all the work you did on the MOD. Your name will be in the top of the credits.
"And besides Sloth who made the MOD, the other one who did it was ALDO! Without ALDO the MOD was NOTHING!"
Thanks again Aldo, really appreciated.
Sloth
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Also, and most important, even if what you get is not what ypou wanted, odds are it's not you, it's the 3D program. Never use Truespace. I recommend you get RayDream- it's very good and can turn even a village idiot like me into a fairly good modder (In my opinion, I don't want to get an outside onbe yet), which means you'll be doing things like that Sharlin whatever within a month (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif).
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Originally posted by Sushi:
Sorry to hear it...
If you do decide to toss it, consider helping out with another campiagn...there are a couple dozens of campaigns out there, and pretty much ALL of them want help. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Untouchable:
Like PA. We need Modders. Please Aldo, Join us please.
[This message has been edited by untouchable (edited 08-05-2001).]
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Specifically, consider helping my campaign.
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The Claymore and the Warlock are stunning designs. There's nothing wrong with the rest of your mods either. You should release them all, at the very least, so that others can use them in their campaigns.
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Originally posted by IPAndrews:
The Claymore and the Warlock are stunning designs. There's nothing wrong with the rest of your mods either. You should release them all, at the very least, so that others can use them in their campaigns.
they are released.. there's a post about it somewhere down the BB (i'l bump it later)
besides which, the unposted work I've been able to come up with without the pressures of the campaign fully vindicates my decission. Provided I can get it to work with fullLODs, it vastly improves on the Warlock & Gryphon.
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Sorry, don't know why I missed the post. It's not like the post subject was cryptic or anything (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif). You're comments are fair enough. Let someone else do the campaign.
Originally posted by aldo_14:
they are released.. there's a post about it somewhere down the BB (i'l bump it later)
besides which, the unposted work I've been able to come up with without the pressures of the campaign fully vindicates my decission. Provided I can get it to work with fullLODs, it vastly improves on the Warlock & Gryphon.
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Well, in any case, good luck to you in the future Aldo, and here's to what The Ghost and the Darkness achieved (and may still achieve). (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Sorry about that Aldo. You gave me a lot of feedback on my own models. No way in hell yours are sub-standard.
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Got a lot better doing these without having the time pressures.
I have 1/2 storylines planned that I may use in future, but I'm doing the models first this time before I confirm.
I think i'l releas the TGD storyline on here in a few mintues (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by aldo_14 (edited 08-14-2001).]
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Originally posted by aldo_14:
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/g.white19/ves_1.jpg)
Got a lot better doing these without having the time pressures.
I have 1/2 storylines planned that I may use in future, but I'm doing the models first this time before I confirm.
I think i'l releas the TGD storyline on here in a few mintues (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by aldo_14 (edited 08-14-2001).]
Is it just me or does that ship look like the fighter in the begining of lost in space?
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