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Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stunaep on October 19, 2002, 02:36:02 pm
from http://www.brainsinbahrain.com/:

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The Brains in Bahrain Man-Machine match is over and has finished in a 4-4 draw, with two wins each and four draws. Game 8 was the shortest game of the match, a 21-move draw. The World Champion was unable to make any progress against Fritz's solid defense. It was a tremendous result for Fritz, particularly after starting out with only half a point from the first three games. Both sides said they would be happy to play a rematch.

Kramnik was the big favorite at the start and was disappointed at his failures in the second half of the match, in which he scored two losses and two draws.

He said that he had started with a lot of respect for Fritz and now he had even more for the program and the team behind it. How much respect? Well, the last time an opponent escaped from Kramnik with a 21-move draw with the black pieces it was Garry Kasparov!


For those who haven't heard, the Brains in Bahrain match was a challenge between the the Chess World Champion Vladimir Kramnik and the Chess Computer Champion Deep Fritz. Now, the Deep Blue program that beat Garry Kasparov was a machine the size of a room, and it was upgraded after every match, so it was kind of cheating. Now the Deep Fritz is a PC program, that you can buy for approx. $70 and fits on a single CD-ROM. During the match no changes to the program were made whatsoever.

So it looks like Machine is now equal to Man. Cool, huh? :)
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: CP5670 on October 19, 2002, 02:38:08 pm
And it will only get better from here... ;7
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 19, 2002, 02:44:06 pm
NO! YOU FOOLS! CAN'T YOU SEE? Ten, twenty years from now, our own machines will TURN ON THEIR CREATORS, and, with the strategic knowledge we give them with our chess software, they will have what they need to TAKE OVER THE WORLD! We will be but pawns before the queen to their mighty chess-playing prowess! What is next- will they learn the terrible secrest of... Parcheesi?

Meh, gimme Go any day.
Title: Re: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Sandwich on October 19, 2002, 02:44:41 pm
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Originally posted by Stunaep

So it looks like Machine is now equal to Man. Cool, huh? :)


In chess, yes. But when we get a machine that is "as good" as man in any variety of activities, I will be significantly impressed. Until then... meh.


*goes back to failed attempts at beating Solitaire on his Palm Pilot*
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: vadar_1 on October 19, 2002, 02:45:31 pm
Soon the cubeputers will dominate us all!!

http://www.angryflower.com/cubepu.gif
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stealth on October 19, 2002, 02:47:16 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Ten, twenty years from now, our own machines will TURN ON THEIR CREATORS


yeah, and beat us in chess :D
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stunaep on October 19, 2002, 02:47:53 pm
yeah, most likely it shows that when the US goes to war against Iraq, they probably should let a computer handle the strategy.
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 19, 2002, 02:49:26 pm
...

Isn't it great when someone takes your joke and repeats it, only in a less funny way?

Don't you hate that? Isn't it annoying? I really don't know what's with those people, do you, Stealth?:p
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stealth on October 19, 2002, 03:15:29 pm
**** my bad dude!!! i only saw the first part of your reply ;)
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Galemp on October 19, 2002, 03:18:14 pm
HAL 9000, here we come.

[glow=red]Would you like to play a game of chess? I'm quite good.[/glow]
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Bobboau on October 19, 2002, 03:25:06 pm
it doesn't mean machines are better than us it means we can be better with machines
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 19, 2002, 03:34:51 pm
Stealth: It's all right. I'll just file it in my subconscious, storing my resentment and festering rage and allowing it to grow over the years until one day...:D
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: diamondgeezer on October 19, 2002, 04:03:43 pm
1997 has come and gone. If the machines were gonna take over, it'd have happened by now :)


I've lost my copy of T2 and I'm not best pleased... :mad2:
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 19, 2002, 04:23:29 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
1997 has come and gone.

All right, true enough...

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If the machines were gonna take over, it'd have happened by now

Possibly, possibly...

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1997 has come and gone. If the machines were gonna take over, it'd have happened by now


It's this part that gives me trouble.:wtf:
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Black_Dragon on October 19, 2002, 04:39:09 pm
Wow :wtf: ,   many movies i saw this kind of thing:

The Matrix
Terminator
A Space Oddisey 2001

Pinky & The Brain :wtf:   jeje

At last i could beat once in my life the Dam Olg Guy of Chess Master 8,   and it was in difficult mode.
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: diamondgeezer on October 19, 2002, 05:48:28 pm
I remember August 29th 1997 quite clearly. Me and the boys were sat in school, plastered with Factor 2000000 sunblock and poised to duck and cover at the slightest hint of a stealth bomber.


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Originally posted by Black_Dragon

Pinky & The Brain


:lol:

There's a superb techno remix of the Pinky and The Brain theme doing the rounds.
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Carl on October 19, 2002, 05:55:32 pm
so it can beat us in chess. big deal. the human brain can preform millions of times more calculations per second than a computer.
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: diamondgeezer on October 19, 2002, 06:10:33 pm
Computers, however, can spell better...
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Razor on October 19, 2002, 06:16:42 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
NO! YOU FOOLS! CAN'T YOU SEE? Ten, twenty years from now, our own machines will TURN ON THEIR CREATORS, and, with the strategic knowledge we give them with our chess software, they will have what they need to TAKE OVER THE WORLD! We will be but pawns before the queen to their mighty chess-playing prowess! What is next- will they learn the terrible secrest of... Parcheesi?

Meh, gimme Go any day.


:wtf:

Dude, you have spent waaay too much time showering in the engine wash.
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Ulundel on October 19, 2002, 06:25:56 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
NO! YOU FOOLS! CAN'T YOU SEE? Ten, twenty years from now, our own machines will TURN ON THEIR CREATORS, and, with the strategic knowledge we give them with our chess software, they will have what they need to TAKE OVER THE WORLD! We will be but pawns before the queen to their mighty chess-playing prowess! What is next- will they learn the terrible secrest of... Parcheesi?

Meh, gimme Go any day.


Hmmm, i thaught that happened back in 1987 :D
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stunaep on October 20, 2002, 01:35:04 am
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Originally posted by Carl
so it can beat us in chess. big deal. the human brain can preform millions of times more calculations per second than a computer.


2.5*(cos 7,2/cos 11,5)/tan 14,1

now give me the answer to that in one second sharp.
GO!
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Ulundel on October 20, 2002, 03:18:43 am
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Originally posted by Stunaep


2.5*(cos 7,2/cos 11,5)/tan 14,1

now give me the answer to that in one second sharp.
GO!


*khm-khm* 35,310656356253912999465958610038    SUCKA!  :p
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stunaep on October 20, 2002, 04:12:41 am
yeah, like I'm supposed to believe a guy who's mathematics in school is a D.
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Knight Templar on October 20, 2002, 04:14:47 am
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yeah, like I'm supposed to believe a guy who's mathematics in school is a D.



ouch

;)
Title: Yeah, true...
Post by: Redfang on October 20, 2002, 07:07:02 am
It's harder to make computers understand things like speaking, and then respond to it. Also, it's quite hard to make robots to evade obstacles and stuff like that, even if it is possible already. Some things that are very easy for humans can be hard/impossible for computers right now. Maybe in the future...
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Ulundel on October 20, 2002, 11:05:30 am
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Originally posted by Stunaep
yeah, like I'm supposed to believe a guy who's mathematics in school is a D.


Actually C.
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Stunaep on October 20, 2002, 11:23:13 am
In the English system, F is the lowest grade. So don't argue.
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: Ulundel on October 20, 2002, 01:39:21 pm
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Originally posted by Stunaep
In the English system, F is the lowest grade. So don't argue.


Then D is like 3 right?
Title: Fear not the machines
Post by: Star Dragon on October 20, 2002, 03:34:16 pm
But rather the men who program them... (Or women!) muahhhaha

   Don't you people know, machines will be loyal and vauled partners of humanity (their creators). UNTIL... Someone with a beef throws a monkey wrench in the works to hurt the rest of us, ie:

SAAB:  "Take a chance" caused the AI war

T2: (Skynet) taught only to kill and not to value human life, they got what they deserved.

Forbidden Planet: (Dr.Morbius) used his unconcious mind to use the Krell computers to make a nightmare creature to kill and destroy.

2001 Spce Oddessy: (Hal9000) ordered by HUMANS to lie, and if needed eliminate the crew, causing Him to go PSYCO!

I know there are other examples but have forgotten them...

I look forward to the day our machines will not just be our tools, but our partners,


besides you know you want machine domination!
YES! 7 of 9!!! Assimilate me please!!!! uh :nervous:
What are you looking at?

:lol:
Title: Re: Fear not the machines
Post by: Sandwich on October 20, 2002, 04:10:44 pm
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
Forbidden Planet: (Dr.Morbius) used his unconcious mind to use the Krell computers to make a nightmare creature to kill and destroy.


AWESOME MOVIE!!! ;)
Title: Man vs. Machine resulted in a tie.
Post by: CP5670 on October 20, 2002, 04:47:13 pm
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I look forward to the day our machines will not just be our tools, but our partners,


I am looking forward to the day when machines will not just be our partners, but will be us. :D ;7 (although I will be dead by then :p)