Hard Light Productions Forums
Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stealth on October 25, 2002, 03:45:14 pm
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Is Hard Light Productions a licensed and copyrighted name? I mean, with the whole source code project and everything, shouldn't it be?
...or is it already and i just don't know about it
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Why? Everything here is free, except for the stuff Volition owns, innit?
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Intellectual property. It doesn't really need copyrighting.
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I'm sure some big, faceless corporation's gonna go to some huge effort to find this place and steal our ideas, but still- so? Either you're just making them for your entertainment, and that of fellow HLPers, or you can market the bleeding things anyway. And come up with new ideas.
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Well, as far as I can tell (from a google search) we are the only "Hard Light Productions" on the internet and I have not heard of any such name in real life. Although Stryke is probably right in that the possibility exists of some stupid corporation using the name and then bug us about it, but there is no need to bothering copyrighting this unless it is free.
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It's unlikely THEY'D bother US about it, since first off we're pretty damn obscure (does HLP even appear on search engine lists?), and second off there are many people who know that we had the name first.
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Usually unless they are in direct competition....name crossovers isn't a big issue I think.
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Actually "Hard Light Productions" comes up bout 6 times form 1st to 6th in google. Try it sometime.
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It is a big deal. Just how important is it to you? Not that there will ever be an issue in the future, but it is a possibility...
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
It is a big deal. Just how important is it to you? Not that there will ever be an issue in the future, but it is a possibility...
i dunno... i just think it'd be cool to actually be a registered company, etc.
then we can have t-shirts and stuff... i'd be proud to wear a "hard Light Productions" hat or something!
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i'm not saying register it in case anyone else tries to take it, i just think it'd be cool!
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Originally posted by Stealth
then we can have t-shirts and stuff... i'd be proud to wear a "hard Light Productions" hat or something!
*sigh* (http://www.cafeshops.com/freespace,freespace2)
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
*sigh* (http://www.cafeshops.com/freespace,freespace2)
but wouldn't it be better if we could actually buy those shirts, etc. and know that it's LICENSED!
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Originally posted by Stealth
but wouldn't it be better if we could actually buy those shirts, etc. and know that it's LICENSED!
no.
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Wait a sec... can we buy that stuff? I mean in the UK. Some of it looks damn cool, and Christmas is coming ;)
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Just use the GPL (http://www.gnu.org) or some simmilar licence.
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Originally posted by Thunder
Wait a sec... can we buy that stuff? I mean in the UK. Some of it looks damn cool, and Christmas is coming ;)
as far as i know you can purchase from anywhere in the world.
shipping expenses may be a little higher, but oh well...
FREESPACE STORE (p1mping for GalacticEmperor):
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,10978.0.html
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I don't know if we'll have a problem with big corporations coming in here and messing with us, because first they would have to find out if the material/name is copyrighted (else if the material/name is copyrighted they would be in a big lawsuit), and if they ask, the admins can say 'yes' and it would be no big deal and they would have to find some other name. :nod:
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Originally posted by Joey_21
and if they ask, the admins can say 'yes' and it would be no big deal
you realize it's not very hard at all to see if a name is registered/copyrighted at all! and if the admins say 'yes' and lie, then they can be taken to court, and i'm sure we wouldn't want that to happen.
i'm not saying register it because some big corporation is going to want to buy it or something! but in the future it might be a good idea to consider it
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Originally posted by Stealth
you realize it's not very hard at all to see if a name is registered/copyrighted at all! and if the admins say 'yes' and lie, then they can be taken to court, and i'm sure we wouldn't want that to happen.
i'm not saying register it because some big corporation is going to want to buy it or something! but in the future it might be a good idea to consider it
Can't necessarily be taken to court, because nobody really owns the name and therefore, if they say yes, it wouldn't hurt HLP or anything. They can get their own names.
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It would cost a lot of money for nothing. Why would anyone want to steal something from us? Besides, anyone who would we would probably want that to happen, because that means we're getting thru to ppl to get them to do what we always wanted...
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While the name HLP isn't registered, I have noticed that the HLP logo does get used in a number of places other than HLP.
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I don't really think we need to register it.. besides doesn't that cost money?
While the name HLP isn't registered, I have noticed that the HLP logo does get used in a number of places other than HLP.
where?
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The freespace store, among others.
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How come Inferno gets a mug but no-one else does?
:)
anyways, if anyone truly threatened to sue HLP over the name - a/ they'd get bad publicity (bullying)
b/ We could just change the name
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Originally posted by aldo_14
How come Inferno gets a mug but no-one else does?
Nobody else has a render that's begging to be mugged.
And Shrike: if you want, I can take it down, or up the prices and have them send the checks to you. Right now nobody's making any money off the store, it's all at base price.
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It's not the money that bothers me, it's the principle of the matter. It would have been an easy matter for someone to say 'hey, there's a company that makes and sells clothes and stuff over the net, should we do HLP stuff?' and ask the people running HLP if it's ok to use they HLP name and logo.
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While the name HLP isn't registered, I have noticed that the HLP logo does get used in a number of places other than HLP.
:wtf: Any non-freespace sites? I would have expected the logo to be far more rare than the name; didn't Setekh or some other staff member make it himself?
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Well, look what I found: http://www.harbourlight.com/
HHarbour Light Productions.
Funny, I didn't think there were any harbors in New Hampshire....
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What HLP would be like if they were assimilated by the Borg/Martha Stewart/Moved "HQ" to New Hampshire
Welcome to HLP...
Let us help your company look smarter.
Let us help your Web site work better.
Let us help you breathe easier
:shaking: :nervous: :shaking:
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Nobody else has a render that's begging to be mugged.
Venom does. in particular.
If I thought it'd be put on a mug, I'd make one.......
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Look what i also found :D
One (http://www.hlpsystems.com/)
Two (http://www.hlpsystems.com/)
Three (http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/5052/)
Four (http://www.hlpengineering.com/)
Five (http://www.hlpinc.com/)
Six (http://www.hlp.co.jp/)
and
Seven (http://hlp.sourceforge.net/)
I could go on and on, but this just proves we aren't the only ones.. i thought 3 was particularly amusing.
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Originally posted by Shrike
While the name HLP isn't registered, I have noticed that the HLP logo does get used in a number of places other than HLP.
name a few... (other than the Freespace Store, which, for the record, did ask for permission)
Originally posted by Shrike
The freespace store, among others.
I don't think you've got any right to complain about this whatsoever.
The Freespace store does not advertise Freespace through the HLP logo, in fact, there's not ONE item that has the HLP logo and something else on it... so if anything, the wearer is promoting HLP.
Oh, and just for the record... i DID let you know what was going on/ask for you permission. Don't believe me? See the "Freespace Store" thread in the "General Freespace" forum
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Look what i also found :D
One (http://www.hlpsystems.com/)
Two (http://www.hlpsystems.com/)
Three (http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/5052/)
Four (http://www.hlpengineering.com/)
Five (http://www.hlpinc.com/)
Six (http://www.hlp.co.jp/)
and
Seven (http://hlp.sourceforge.net/)
I could go on and on, but this just proves we aren't the only ones.. i thought 3 was particularly amusing.
not one of those websites uses the HLP logo, soi don't know what the fuss is all about
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:wtf:
You know ....technicially ,... the person that MADE the logo needs to give permission. Copyrights don't always HAVE to be in place.
And if you did ask him permission .... did you wait until he GAVE it ?
Regardless.... telling the admin there's not a god damned thing he can do about it is kinna like saying "Hey ban me ....please"
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Nobody else has a render that's begging to be mugged.
I dunno... Setekh is putting up some good competition. :D
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Originally posted by Warlock
:wtf:
You know ....technicially ,... the person that MADE the logo needs to give permission. Copyrights don't always HAVE to be in place.
And if you did ask him permission .... did you wait until he GAVE it ?
Regardless.... telling the admin there's not a god damned thing he can do about it is kinna like saying "Hey ban me ....please"
you want to get technical? ok... here's what happened.
1) In the freespace store thread, i said he should make some stuff with the HLP logo on it, instead of just 'hlp' written.
2) GalacticEmperor asks me for it
3) I say i don't have it, but i'll ask Shrike for it... I then PM shrike, and ask him if we can use the logo for the FS store. the original PM is as follows:
hey
could you please send me the link to the HLP logo again? i accidentally deleted the PM with it in it... and GalacticEmperor needs the logo for the "Freespace Store"
Please let me know
Thanks
~Stealth~
4) Shrike replies a few minutes later:
Freespace store?
5) I reply a few minutes after that, giving him the URL to the "Freespace Store" thread... i leave it at that... i don't give out the logo or anything (because Shrike hasn't given permission yet)
6) No more PMs come from Shrike... so i presume he's gone to the Freespace Store thread and talked to GalacticEmperor about it.
7) Apparently he hasn't, so he starts *****ing at me for giving out the logo, which i didn't do
Two more things i'm wondering about
1) If i didn't give GalacticEmperor the logo, nor did Shrike apparently, where did he get it from?
2) Oh, and the part about me being banned because Shrike (legally) can't do anything about people taking the logo and using it for other purposes (and since this forum is so anti-illegal stuff (i.e. warez, etc.) i think the same 'anti-legal' strategies apply... in that case, there's nothing that the admins can do about people taking the logo and using it for whatever they want)
What i don't understand is why i suddenly get blamed for everything when i asked Shrike's permission to get the logo for the freespace store (see above PM quote) and when i didn't get the go-ahead from him, i didn't give out the logo! end of story! so whoever it was that gave out the HLP logo, it wasn't me... and even if i had... what's the big deal!? it's not like we're using the logo for some porn website or something! It's for the FREESPACE STORE!
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Originally posted by Stealth
Two more things i'm wondering about
1) If i didn't give GalacticEmperor the logo, nor did Shrike apparently, where did he get it from?
2) If Shrike wants to ban me for saying there isn't a god damn thing he can do about it then let him... seems admins like to use their power even when they're in the wrong. I mean, if everyone's that worried about the HLP logo being used for wrong purposes (although in this case i think using it in the freespace store isn't wrong) then why not license it.
I'm clear... i asked permission, and when i didn't get it i didn't give out the logo
1: Good question. Prolly save as ? :shrug:
2: My point was if you asked .... and he's questioning it being used without permission then WHY are you catching an attitude about using it without his or another admin's permission ? It's simple politness man. Besides ...they don't NEED to license it...the Artist owns it already.
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Originally posted by Warlock
1: Good question. Prolly save as ? :shrug:
2: My point was if you asked .... and he's questioning it being used without permission then WHY are you catching an attitude about using it without his or another admin's permission ? It's simple politness man. Besides ...they don't NEED to license it...the Artist owns it already.
in answer to your second question...
I DIDN"T GIVE THE LOGO OUT! I ASKED PERMISSION! I PMED SHRIKE FOR PERMISSION TO USE IT IN THE FREESPACE STORE!!!! DON"T YOU SEE THAT!?
what makes me mad is now it's suddenly "my" fault for giving out the logo without asking permission when
A) I didn't give out the logo to anyone
B) I did ask permission... and didn't get it
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Originally posted by Warlock
1: Good question. Prolly save as ? :shrug:
how? i can't find any place where there's just the HLP logo... there's always the logo with words on it, etc.
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Originally posted by Stealth
in answer to your second question...
I DIDN"T GIVE THE LOGO OUT! I ASKED PERMISSION! I PMED SHRIKE FOR PERMISSION TO USE IT IN THE FREESPACE STORE!!!! DON"T YOU SEE THAT!?
what makes me mad is now it's suddenly "my" fault for giving out the logo without asking permission when
A) I didn't give out the logo to anyone
B) I did ask permission... and didn't get it
Easy .... put down the coffee....and READ what I typed.
I asked ...NOTHING about YOU giving ANYONE the logo ....my point was you getting *****Y from the point of Shrike asking WHO got the permission.
Ahem ...your "Can't do a god damn thing about it " Comment = *****y = wtf I asked about .
Now take a few breaths.....count to ten ....and go surf through the hot chics threads k ?
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EDIT:
LtNarol confirms that it's not a big deal, it was a simple misunderstanding, so i'm going to drop it
before i do so, Shrike:
1) I asked permission and when you didn't give it i didn't give out the logo... so i don't know where he got it from
2) Sorry for all the above... it was before my morning coffee
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:shaking: Whoa...
Just so you know, I found the logo myself, somewhere. I did ICQ Shrike asking for it but then said "nevermind." Nobody's in trouble. OK? OK. :nervous:
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yeah, but the way Shrike was acting was like everything went on behind his back, when in reality it didn't
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Originally posted by Stealth
I don't think you've got any right to complain about this whatsoever.
The Freespace store does not advertise Freespace through the HLP logo, in fact, there's not ONE item that has the HLP logo and something else on it... so if anything, the wearer is promoting HLP.
Oh, and just for the record... i DID let you know what was going on/ask for you permission. Don't believe me? See the "Freespace Store" thread in the "General Freespace" forum
No, nobody asked permission to to use HLP and the HLP logo in a store. I think it's kind of neat actually.
[SIZE=10]BUT SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE ASKED FIRST[/SIZE]
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[silence]
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You know what this party needs? CHUDs!
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Actually, yet better. I can solve this whole thing. I'm inclined to say that Shrike's right, the HLP logo should be respected as artist property, but Stealth clearly thinks he already DID ask, and either got the go-ahead or not (it isn't clear). Sooo...
Stealth, you take all the merchandise featuring the HLP logo off the store, and send a formal request to the HLP staff that you be allowed to use it, on the condition that Shrike agrees beforehand to let you use it. Then you put it back up. Sound good?
All right. Now bring on the CHUDs.
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This thread is actually pretty amusing.
CHUDs? i could guess.. but then it wouldn't be as fun.. :doubt:
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Stealth, you take all the merchandise featuring the HLP logo off the store, and send a formal request to the HLP staff that you be allowed to use it, on the condition that Shrike agrees beforehand to let you use it. Then you put it back up. Sound good?
All right. Now bring on the CHUDs.
You obviously don't get what's going on Stryke. Firstly it's not my store... i've never been involved with it in any way! It's GalacticEmperor who's doing everything with it! That's why i can't understand why i'm getting blamed for not asking permission, when i didn't put one thing up on the store!
BUT SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE ASKED FIRST
Oh, and Shrike: That was gay.
Let me remind you of this:... while it's really asking for permission, although in not as many words:
PM sent to Shrike:
could you please send me the link to the HLP logo again? i accidentally deleted the PM with it in it... and GalacticEmperor needs the logo for the "Freespace Store"
Enough said
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Ok someone needs to fly around and shoot red things for a bit.
Go relax and let it go bigguy.
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You guys, this is totally stupid. Yeah , Shrike, you are right, people should ask. Stealth says he did, and maybe it wasn't totally clear and had to be assumed on your part. That was bad on Stealth's part, but , with all do respect, stop being such a hard ass.
I think people get the idea, from now on, "ask" and everything before you use it, but it's not like Stealth or GE is trying to make money off it or anything. It was a good idea. Just from now on, make sure that if you want to use the logo, Ask clearly before, and Admins or owners, reply to the question, yes or no. It's not hard at all.
please don't respond to me by saying "jesus christ KT, look right here, i did do this".. the arguement is old, carry it out through pm's or something.
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Originally posted by Stealth
yeah, but the way Shrike was acting was like everything went on behind his back, when in reality it didn't
Guess what? IT DID! Nobody specifically asked permission to use the HLP logo and name on merchandise. All I get is a PM from someone who isn't even involved with the store telling me that the logo is needed for the store. If that isn't going behind the backs of the staff I don't know what is.
Asking permission is 'hey, I'd like to add a section to the FS store featuring HLP merchandise.' In that case we'd have discussed it in admin and in all likelyhood have gone ahead with it, no fuss, no muss. It's when we're not informed about stuff like that that the fur starts to fly.
Anyhow, GE, send me a message on ICQ next time you're on. Beyond that these is nothing more to discuss.
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alright, so maybe GE should have PMed you instead of me, but it's not like it was being done privately! i even PMed you the URL to the "Freespace Store" thread!
I just don't know why i'm suddenly to blame, although i didn't give the HLP logo to anyone/didn't have anything to do with the FS store in the first place
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Ok I gotta ask
:wtf:
Did anyone actually blame Stealth with this? ? ?
I've seen Stealth say he PMed Shrike about the logo....but no responce other than "Freespace store?"
Aside from him getting frustrated and ...well...*****y...about it all I don't think I've read where anyone was specifically blamed.
I miss something here ? :nervous:
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Originally posted by Warlock
Ok I gotta ask
:wtf:
Did anyone actually blame Stealth with this? ? ?
I've seen Stealth say he PMed Shrike about the logo....but no responce other than "Freespace store?"
Aside from him getting frustrated and ...well...*****y...about it all I don't think I've read where anyone was specifically blamed.
I miss something here ? :nervous:
you're "missing" the fact that this is none of your business/you're not supposed to be involved in it/ you're sticking your nose in other people's business.
i'm trying to make SURE no one is accusing me, because for once i'm innocent 100% :p
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*scratches head*
Since when was a public forum private ?
:confused:
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Originally posted by Warlock
*scratches head*
Since when was a public forum private ?
:confused:
you've got a right to post here, but you shouldn't when it's between people and you're not involved... we don't need a third-party opinion on this one... thanks anyway though!
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This is now a matter between Galactic Emperor and the staff. Case closed.
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Ok, everyone, shut up. Shrike and GE will handle this privately, but aside from that, THIS MATTER IS CLOSED. Oh, and:
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/copyright.shtml