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Title: What do you think about the reorganization of the private forums?
Post by: Sandwich on October 30, 2002, 12:18:05 pm: Well? Were you confused for a bit? ;7

Make sure you read both announcements, btw!
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Post by: CP5670 on October 30, 2002, 12:22:40 pm: This does indeed sound like a much better systemt than the old one, at least as far as organization purposes go. :) (if it works correctly, that is :D)
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 12:24:02 pm: i only see the SUPPORT forum personally :(

however i'm subscribed to an internal forum, and so through the profile if i click on it it takes me to it
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Post by: Styxx on October 30, 2002, 12:24:19 pm: Oh, and make sure you read BOTH announcements, ok? ;)
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 12:26:21 pm: ahhh I see... in that case... looks good :)
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Post by: CP5670 on October 30, 2002, 12:27:23 pm: No private forum for my project (not really needed), so I don't need anyone to have access.
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Post by: Black Wolf on October 30, 2002, 12:42:04 pm: Depends - if there's a post in the internal forum, will the HLP logo go red on the main forum index? It's convenient for me to scroll down to NTV, and then NTV internal (and now SW as well :)), looking for a red logo - if I have one, I need to check them, if not, I can save myself the time. I'ts a minor thing I'll admit, but it was convenient.
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 12:42:48 pm: should I PM you with my 'staff'? because while we have a hosted HLP page and avatar, we don't have a forum...
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Post by: Styxx on October 30, 2002, 12:46:17 pm: The old forum permissions are still active, that's why you can see the forum. We're just relocating the forums for now, the permissions will be reset soon afterwards.

And yes, ALL projects, even those without internal or public forums, need to reply to the census.

:)
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 12:47:50 pm: ok... how much more "secure" is this than the old system?

not a problem, i just like the old system better, where you can scroll down to the 'private forum's category :(

but it's whatever you guys think is best

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Depends - if there's a post in the internal forum, will the HLP logo go red on the main forum index? It's convenient for me to scroll down to NTV, and then NTV internal (and now SW as well ), looking for a red logo - if I have one, I need to check them, if not, I can save myself the time. I'ts a minor thing I'll admit, but it was convenient.

i just discovered what you can do... (to solve this problem)

you can "subscribe to a forum", and whenever there's a new message it displays it at the bottom of the FORUMS list, or in your profile
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Post by: an0n on October 30, 2002, 12:50:04 pm: *goes to look at the internal(s)*
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Post by: an0n on October 30, 2002, 12:53:12 pm: Meh. I've been doing that for ages.

*sues for intellectual property infringments*
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Post by: Styxx on October 30, 2002, 12:54:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
ok... how much more "secure" is this than the old system?

Orders of magnitude more secure. We ran a long series of tests due to several reports of strange activity from several members, and found a major problem with the vB permissions system. After trying several alternatives, we came to the conclusion that this is the best way.

And the "new post" indicator will still appear, but on the main page you'll see it only on the public forum under which the private forum is located for those you have access.

:)
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Post by: Fineus on October 30, 2002, 12:54:25 pm: With regard to what Stealth said, I think you'll agree that security comes before accessability with internal forums. I agree that not being able to see the active stuff in each forum at a glance is a little annoying but from the point of view of the hosted sites - not half as bad as having security problems.
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 12:56:29 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thunder
With regard to what Stealth said, I think you'll agree that security comes before accessability with internal forums. I agree that not being able to see the active stuff in each forum at a glance is a little annoying but from the point of view of the hosted sites - not half as bad as having security problems.

i figured out how to counter that problem though... by subscribing to all the PRIVATE forums i have access too, i can simply go to the bottom of the FORUMS page (below where there support forum is) and it says how many forums i'm subscribed to, and i can tell if there's any new messages in it or not :nod: very nice, i can get used to this system very easily! :cool:

Just curious, what and how did you find was the problem with the vB permissions system?
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Post by: an0n on October 30, 2002, 12:58:47 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
Just curious, what and how did you find was the problem with the vB permissions system?

Uh.....they didn't work. And they found this through the masses of "I can see! I can see!" threads in the support forum.
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 12:59:34 pm: Quote
Originally posted by an0n

Uh.....they didn't work. And they found this through the masses of "I can see! I can see!" threads in the support forum.

actually i thought they were talking about people being able to access forums they weren't supposed to
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Post by: Woomeister on October 30, 2002, 01:00:34 pm: I'd rather have the forums secure than accessable.
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Post by: Styxx on October 30, 2002, 01:04:13 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
actually i thought they were talking about people being able to access forums they weren't supposed to

We had a series of permission errors where users were able to access forums they shouldn't have permission to access, verified through posts and access logs. From that, we were able to identify a problem on permission inheritance, which was fixed throught the actions we're taking now.
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 01:10:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Styxx

We had a series of permission errors where users were able to access forums they shouldn't have permission to access, verified through posts and access logs. From that, we were able to identify a problem on permission inheritance, which was fixed throught the actions we're taking now.

well i hope it really is fixed :yes: ;)
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Post by: Ulundel on October 30, 2002, 01:22:21 pm: The new system's pretty good. Hail the admins.
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 01:23:19 pm: OK, now PM Styxx the info he requires!
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Post by: Styxx on October 30, 2002, 01:25:36 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
well i hope it really is fixed :yes: ;)

We do too! :D
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Post by: Stunaep on October 30, 2002, 01:28:54 pm: I personally dislike the new organization. I have to click through more forums to get to internal for one, and I cannot tell by the HL logo, if the new posts are made in private or public forums.

But if it's safer that way, then sure, go ahead. That way no one will see that explosion-filled cutscene waiting in the... :nervous: You did not here that. Infact, you aren't even here. Shoo! Shoo!

*puts on black glasses*
*activates the deneuraliser*
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Post by: Stunaep on October 30, 2002, 01:36:10 pm: one more thing. What if I get new staff members during that 2 week period?
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Post by: Ulundel on October 30, 2002, 01:37:26 pm: *sings "black suits comin'"*
Don't mind him. He's in love with LM release 3
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Post by: Sandwich on October 30, 2002, 01:42:05 pm: To all of you who want a short and easy way to see if there have been new posts in the various internals, you can click on the "Hosted (http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=3)" category and see everything you have access to.
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Post by: Stunaep on October 30, 2002, 01:42:11 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
*sings "black suits comin'"*
Don't mind him. He's in love with LM release 3

that, plus I'm in a pimpin' mood.
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Post by: mikhael on October 30, 2002, 02:06:58 pm: Not bad. The announcements kinda confused me. I didn't know that the board could embed forums within forums. I thought the rearrangement was merely logical, rather than logical and visual.

I'm still not sure I like it though. I guess I'll have to get used to it.
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Post by: kode on October 30, 2002, 02:28:09 pm: There was a reorganisation?

Why do you never tell me?
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Post by: Sandwich on October 30, 2002, 02:38:45 pm: Quote
Originally posted by kode
There was a reorganisation?

Why do you never tell me?

Meh - do you have access to any private forums? If not, then you won't notice any change. :D
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Post by: Stryke 9 on October 30, 2002, 02:49:53 pm: Did something change? So long as the URLs to the private forums didn't change, I don't give a flying hamster ****, and won't have to embark on a bloody rampage.
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Post by: Sandwich on October 30, 2002, 03:27:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Did something change? So long as the URLs to the private forums didn't change, I don't give a flying hamster ****, and won't have to embark on a bloody rampage.

I don't think they have, but you should be able to access the forum properly now.

BTW, why don't you have any avatars for Recip?
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Post by: kode on October 30, 2002, 03:49:23 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich

Meh - do you have access to any private forums? If not, then you won't notice any change. :D

oh, I must have mixed it up with those hosted forums.
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Post by: Stryke 9 on October 30, 2002, 03:59:21 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich
BTW, why don't you have any avatars for Recip?

That's a very good question. I don't know.

But then again, I end up doing a little something for a lot of campaigns (and will even more so soon, if I can't get a render job somewhere)- I think it's just that I never do quite enough to qualify. But I dunno- what with the weapon anims, I suppose I AM doing a lot for Rec now...

Never mind. I think the first two sentences kinda covered it.
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Post by: Sandwich on October 30, 2002, 06:52:05 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9

That's a very good question. I don't know.

But then again, I end up doing a little something for a lot of campaigns (and will even more so soon, if I can't get a render job somewhere)- I think it's just that I never do quite enough to qualify. But I dunno- what with the weapon anims, I suppose I AM doing a lot for Rec now...

Never mind. I think the first two sentences kinda covered it.
Just wondering, since it's the only internal forum you have access to.
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Post by: Knight Templar on October 30, 2002, 08:00:43 pm: I have one small nitpick so far.

In some of the forums.. where it has the last post. I click on it, only to find out i don't have access to it because its in the private forum.

I think this kinda sucks.

there. now i feel like i fit in. :p
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Post by: LtNarol on October 30, 2002, 08:02:34 pm: Hate it. Far less convenient to see if someone's posted in one of the internal forums I have access to, now i have to go dig around to get to the right forums, with or without the new post icon...just annoyingly tedious.

As for security, I've said this before and I'll say it again: if someone is so desperate as to know whats going on with the 158th that they'll look for ways to sneak in, by all means, go ahead and snoop. Theres no classified matieral, no files to steal, no pr0n to look at, and nothing I'm hiding simply for the sake of hiding it. Internal forums are more for formality and professionalism than security; showing everything you have before they're complete isnt very professional, especially if some of that stuff isnt staying for the full ride.
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Post by: Blue Lion on October 30, 2002, 08:12:57 pm: Quote
Originally posted by LtNarol

no pr0n to look at

Shhhhhh :nervous:
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 08:21:37 pm: Quote
Originally posted by LtNarol
no pr0n to look at

that's what they think
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Post by: RandomTiger on October 30, 2002, 08:29:45 pm: Does the SCP get one?
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Post by: Shrike on October 30, 2002, 08:34:49 pm: One what?
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Post by: mikhael on October 30, 2002, 08:51:10 pm: Quote
Originally posted by RandomTiger
Does the SCP get one?

Does the SCP need one? Having an internal forum for the SCP pretty much defeats the idea of an "open" project, no?
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Post by: Razor on October 30, 2002, 09:03:07 pm: I must admit I was confused. Over the last 5 days I had a lot of trouble with HLP. First I thought that I was banned, then I couldn't post anything for like 24 hours and then I saw that there were no private forums available? WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME?? *Screams*
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Post by: Stealth on October 30, 2002, 09:11:11 pm: Quote
Originally posted by mikhael

Does the SCP need one? Having an internal forum for the SCP pretty much defeats the idea of an "open" project, no?

that's a good point... it's the same with the FS PORT. GE says (and he's right) that we don't need one, because the point of the project is not to hide anything. things are released as soon as they're done.
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Post by: RandomTiger on October 31, 2002, 05:21:16 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth

that's a good point... it's the same with the FS PORT. GE says (and he's right) that we don't need one, because the point of the project is not to hide anything. things are released as soon as they're done.

It would be useful for seperating coding issues from requests.
I find myself constantly subject to people who know nothing about coding giving me coding advise and telling me how easy everything is.
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Post by: Sandwich on October 31, 2002, 06:34:09 am: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
I have one small nitpick so far.

In some of the forums.. where it has the last post. I click on it, only to find out i don't have access to it because its in the private forum.

Could you be more specific? I'm not quite sure I follow you here.

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Originally posted by LtNarol
Hate it. Far less convenient to see if someone's posted in one of the internal forums I have access to, now i have to go dig around to get to the right forums, with or without the new post icon...just annoyingly tedious.

It's but a single extra click on the Hosted (http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=3) category. (Pssst! Click the word "Hosted" in the previous sentence)

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Originally posted by LtNarol
As for security, I've said this before and I'll say it again: if someone is so desperate as to know whats going on with the 158th that they'll look for ways to sneak in, by all means, go ahead and snoop.

*proceeds to grant public access to the 158th Internal forum* :drevil:

No, seriously, you may think that way, but not everyone does.

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Originally posted by Razor
I must admit I was confused. Over the last 5 days I had a lot of trouble with HLP. First I thought that I was banned, then I couldn't post anything for like 24 hours and then I saw that there were no private forums available? WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME?? *Screams*

Funny, but I never ran into any forum problems like that. But those problems were not caused by this reorganization - we only started (and finished) this yesterday - figure 24 hours before this very post, going on for about 4-5 hours.
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Post by: Sandwich on October 31, 2002, 06:49:17 am: Quote
Originally posted by RandomTiger

It would be useful for seperating coding issues from requests.
I find myself constantly subject to people who know nothing about coding giving me coding advise and telling me how easy everything is.

As far as I'm concerned, get IceFire or Inquisitor to give the word and an internal forum is yours. :nod:
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Post by: Stunaep on October 31, 2002, 10:44:55 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stunaep
one more thing. What if I get new staff members during that 2 week period?

I'd ask that again.
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Post by: Fineus on October 31, 2002, 10:54:18 am: PM with the information? New occurences of stuff are fine I think - but just not telling anyone the first time round is laziness :)
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Post by: Unknown Target on October 31, 2002, 11:02:24 am: I can't get access anymore...:(

Not that it matters, I'm almost gone from the Freespace community...
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Post by: Galemp on October 31, 2002, 03:34:19 pm: Aww. Poor UT.

OK, I found a problem. I see that the T-V War project has new posts. I open it up and I see no new posts. I go back, and click on the 'last post' button. It says I don't have permission to view that page.

This means that the internal forum has new posts, even though I can't see them. Is it possible to fix this so it only lets you see if there are new posts you have permission to read?
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Post by: Stunaep on October 31, 2002, 04:01:15 pm: meh... very strange bug. For some reason the LM and TT forums in the main forums page show now the total of posts in both internal and public forums. Doesn't do that for AP, 158th and KC forums though.
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Post by: Sandwich on October 31, 2002, 05:00:27 pm: Quote
Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Aww. Poor UT.

OK, I found a problem. I see that the T-V War project has new posts. I open it up and I see no new posts. I go back, and click on the 'last post' button. It says I don't have permission to view that page.

This means that the internal forum has new posts, even though I can't see them. Is it possible to fix this so it only lets you see if there are new posts you have permission to read?

GE: Yeah, I'm aware of that issue. Like I said on ICQ, view the hosted sites from the "Hosted" category, and yu'll be able to see the internals alongside the public ones.

Peanuts, I don't know why that would be that way in one but not the other. But I don't think that's a crucial issue.
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Post by: Stunaep on November 01, 2002, 01:46:55 am: don't bet on it Sandwich. It also is the same with guests and other users, who do not have access to LM internal. Could be confusing, if they see that the forums has nearly 500 posts, while actually it has only 180.

Oh, could have something to do with the thread I moved yesterday from the LM internal to the LM public.