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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Neon on November 06, 2002, 08:51:44 am
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//www.bonsaikitten.com
You really just have to watch! Even the name hurts me...
:( :( :(
:sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
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that, can't be real, they'd die after a day or two
note none of the boxes have a large mound of cat **** in the bottom of them
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Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Bobbau, if you read the whole site you would know how there isn't **** in the box!
This is how I felt after I read the whole site:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Eh? You mean it's not real?
*gets disappointed and goes to read the rest of the site*
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This is completely real! I got an e-mail that is collecting signatures to stop that! (It's not a fake e-mail :doubt: )
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THAT IS PLAIN SICK im so ****ing going to kill that guy :mad: :mad: :mad: i have a cat (pissed at it) ANFD I WOULD NEVER STICK IT IN A GLASS YAR
close and deleete this thread its discusting
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why is that damn cat makeing all that noise,
kitty if you don't shutup I'm plug'n up you're air hole!!
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I don't know wether it is fake or not it is plain sick. :mad: :mad: I hate these f*ckers who did this, Even if its fake, I hate them. This is plain sick wether its real or not!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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:lol: For goodness sake it's one of the most well known hoaxes on the internet. It's been around for more than three years. It exploits the explosive anger and affection some cat lovers have for their cats to the extreme.
P.S I'm a cat fan myself.
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Originally posted by Top Gun
:lol: For goodness sake it's one of the most well known hoaxes on the internet. It's been around for more than three years. It exploits the explosive anger and affection some cat lovers have for their cats to the extreme.
P.S I'm a cat fan myself.
Still its sick! I compare it with those sick WTC jokes. In my opinion this is worse if it were real. Screw humans killing eachother, using animals like this is far worse...
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there is no why this could be real, the cat would be unable to breath after it grew any
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I haven't watched yet.... I'm still trying to figure out what 'Bonsai' means... :wtf:
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'Bonsai' trees are an Eastern art form where trees are grown from seed in small plant pots that restrict their growth creating a minature looking tree.
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I'm growing a bonsai Blue Spruce. I've also sown some conkers and acorns in the hope that they'll sprout.
Oh, and yay cats!
One of my hallmates last year asked me if I missed my family. I thought about it, and said "well, I miss my cat..."
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Originally posted by an0n
Eh? You mean it's not real?
*gets disappointed and goes to read the rest of the site*
i just realized who you remind me of: ZylonBane... a much less "version" of him, but nonetheless the same attitude
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lol :D
I wonder who takes the time to do these things... :lol: :D :D
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Originally posted by Neon
This is completely real! I got an e-mail [about it]!
:lol:
[actually fell out of chair laughing. Kinda awkward, seeing as I'm in a rather dull class]
Uh-huh. By the way, you see that light blinking on yer modem now? That's me hacking you. You need to delete your IPs to be hack-safe, just like the email alerts tell you to.:D
Seriously, you just fell for one of the oldest jokes on the internet. I feel distinctly sorry for you, should you ever come across the Polish Virus.:p
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
[A]Uh-huh. By the way, you see that light blinking on yer modem now? That's me hacking you. You need to delete your IPs to be hack-safe, just like the email alerts tell you to.:D
Seriously, you just fell for one of the oldest jokes on the internet. I feel distinctly sorry for you, should you ever come across the Polish Virus.:p
A. Delete your IPs!? :confused:
B. hoax... it's the Polish Hoax
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It doesn't sound like a joke to me.
Did anyone read the guest book?
Some sick stuff.
If this is real those people should be put in a glass jar. Damn ****tards.
And this is just.. wrong.
Close this damn thread delete it, burn it nuke it whatever. just get rid of it.
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Stealth: Shh. He'll probably buy it.
And I was referring to the "virus" which is simply a text message reading "You have been infected with the Polish Virus. Please forward this message to everyone on your email list and delete your hard drive".
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Originally posted by an0n
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Somehow I knew he would say that. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Darkage
It doesn't sound like a joke to me.
Did anyone read the guest book?
Some sick stuff.
If this is real those people should be put in a glass jar. Damn ****tards.
And this is just.. wrong.
Close this damn thread delete it, burn it nuke it whatever. just get rid of it.
Go to Landover Baptist (http://www.landoverbaptist.org) and read their forums, it doesn't make it any less fake. People play along with it in order to further fool those gullible people who believe.
I remember that site being featured on a childerens news program in the UK because thousands of people, also fooled by it had been writing in in disgust. They reassured everyone that no animals were harmed during the making. That was at least three years ago.
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Originally posted by Top Gun
Go to Landover Baptist (http://www.landoverbaptist.org) and read their forums, it doesn't make it any less fake. People play along with it in order to further fool those gullible people who believe.
Ah Landover Baptist, one of the finest pieces of satire on the internet.
Gang, Bonzai Kitten is a joke. Its not real. No cats were harmed. If it were real, it would be sick, but it isn't. That makes it funny.
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Besides, Shrike's guilty of even worse crimes against catdom... we all know the pic I mean :shaking:
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yep it's fake.
and it's still :lol: funny as hell whenever I see someone fall for it.
this link seems to submerge every once in a while.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
And I was referring to the "virus" which is simply a text message reading "You have been infected with the Polish Virus. Please forward this message to everyone on your email list and delete your hard drive".
it's considered a hoax... a hoax is when you get an email saying, for example that whateverfile.exe is a virus, and you should search for it, and if you find it (it's usually some file that windows runs on) you should immediately reboot in dos mode, and delete it! (it of course gives all steps you should take to do this :) lol)
and i quote from my virus reference:
A hoax is a message, typically distributed via E-mail or newsgroups, which is written to deliberately spread fear, uncertainty and doubt. Just like the viruses they purport to describe, they are sent from user to user/s, slowing network and Internet traffic and causing damage 'per se', by wasting users time and by prompting well meaning, (albeit unnecessary) clean up procedures. These messages may be regarding completely fictitious viruses and trojans, or they may be misleadingly warning users about legitimate programs (a common target of past hoaxes was screensavers and more recently, Windows utilities). Hoaxes prey on the lack of technical knowledge and the goodwill of all those that receive a hoax. Generally, hoaxes are warnings about threats to your computer. They tend to follow a standard pattern, and should you receive an e-mail that contains the following characteristics, view it with doubt, if not downright suspicion.
- Reports of a virus that can do massive damage to your pc - many even going so far as to say that critical hardware will be destroyed.
- May sound unnecessarily technical (although often meaningless), thus taking advantage of many users fears of technology/the unknown.
- May quote bogus announcements from Antivirus Industry experts, some even going so far as to provide a correct link to an AV site (which strangely enough, if visited, will most likely tell you that it's a hoax).
- The message may be written in emotive language. That is, the message may be colored with upper case text and contain large numbers of exclamation marks (in order to emphasize the severity of the perceived threat and make the user more likely to forward the message).
- Asks that you forward the message to as many people as possible. This is the most obvious line in a hoax. Warnings from reputable expert sources do not ask you to forward their notifications. It is this part of the text of the message in particular, that should immediately make wary users skeptical.
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To clarify:
It is sick. It is real.
EDIT: To clarify - i refer to the kitten thing
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Vyper: To clarify- it's one of the landmarks of the internet, and it's a hoax. We've all seen it many times before. It hasn't gotten any less silly since the last time.:p
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I don't think this is real. I think that because one of our cats got crystles couldn't piss. And he almost died with his thing clogged. The poisin in his blood couldn't leave. Man was that sad :( He was moaning and foaming too. :(
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Damn... I need to find a link to that Brass Eye edition about the new drug, Cake. They managed to convince dozens of celebrities and even English MPs to come on the show to talk about the dangers of Cake, and how it was the biggest threat to youth today.
Originally posted by vyper
It is sick. It is real.
Yep, just like the WWE :nod:
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
:lol:
[actually fell out of chair laughing. Kinda awkward, seeing as I'm in a rather dull class]
Uh-huh. By the way, you see that light blinking on yer modem now? That's me hacking you. You need to delete your IPs to be hack-safe, just like the email alerts tell you to.:D
Seriously, you just fell for one of the oldest jokes on the internet. I feel distinctly sorry for you, should you ever come across the Polish Virus.:p
I got this from raven2001 (or 2, whatever) dad! Fake or not it's very cruel (and funny)
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Originally posted by vyper
To clarify:
It is sick. It is real.
EDIT: To clarify - i refer to the kitten thing
AAAAAAAAHHHH
For bloody hell's sake
Taken from http://truthorfiction.org
Summary of eRumor:
This email says there is a Japanese man in New York stuffing kittens into bottles and rearing them so they'll take on the shape of the bottle._ They are being called "bonsai" kittens and have become the rage in New York, China, Indonesia, and New Zealand._ The email refers you to the website at www.bonsaikitten.com
The Truth
The bonsai kitten website is a hoax, created as a joke by some students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology._ There are numerous published reports about the site, but one of the best is a article in USA Today from 2-20-2001by Janet Kornblum._ According to Kornblum, the site was set up shortly after Christmas, 2000, satirize ''the human belief of nature as commodity."_ Kornblum interviewed one of the creaters who used an alias, "Dr. Michael Wong Chang."_ He said one of the main aims was to "punish the hypocritical and easily offended by upsetting them, and to amuse those who understand."_ The result has been an international outcry by animal rights groups who say that even if the site is a joke, they object to the fact that it displays and could provoke animal cruelty._ In response to concerns from Internet readers, the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals investigated the site and found no evidence of animal abuse._ No kittens have actually been put through the torture described on the site._ An FBI investigation was also opened.
The number of people this manages to fool simply astounds me.
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when i saw it i figured it was a joke... if it was real animal rights groups would be all over it
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Originally posted by vyper
To clarify:
It is sick. It is real.
To further clarify:
You are hardheaded. You are gullible.
I suppose you think this site (http://www.gunsforkids.com) is real too? Or this one (http://www.thinkofthechildren.co.uk/)? How about this (http://blackpeopleloveus.com/)? And surely, surely not this (http://web.archive.org/web/20020124161551/www.manbeef.com/home.html)!
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Mmmm Tasty :nod:
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All this suck. This topic should be destroyed. It is all sick wether it is real or not. Destroy the topic! Destroy the topic!
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Originally posted by Razor
All this suck. This topic should be destroyed. It is all sick wether it is real or not. Destroy the topic! Destroy the topic!
It's not sick, it's blatantly fake, how the living **** would you fit a cat into one of those jars without breaking its neck? Think about it.
Good for a giggle at the reactions though.
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How the hell do you know weather it is fake or not? If it's not fake I would stuck that guys head in that jar and see if he would survive.
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Originally posted by Razor
How the hell do you know weather it is fake or not? If it's not fake I would stuck that guys head in that jar and see if he would survive.
but it isn't, you [the rest of this message has been removed, because kode wishes to remain unbanT at HLP]
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
I suppose you think this site (http://www.gunsforkids.com) is real too? Or this one (http://www.thinkofthechildren.co.uk/)? How about this (http://blackpeopleloveus.com/)? And surely, surely not this (http://web.archive.org/web/20020124161551/www.manbeef.com/home.html)!
:lol: :lol:
this site (http://www.templeofblackjesus.com)
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Originally posted by Razor
How the hell do you know weather it is fake or not? If it's not fake I would stuck that guys head in that jar and see if he would survive.
AHEM!!!
Taken from http://truthorfiction.org
Summary of eRumor:
This email says there is a Japanese man in New York stuffing kittens into bottles and rearing them so they'll take on the shape of the bottle._ They are being called "bonsai" kittens and have become the rage in New York, China, Indonesia, and New Zealand._ The email refers you to the website at www.bonsaikitten.com
The Truth
The bonsai kitten website is a hoax, created as a joke by some students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology._ There are numerous published reports about the site, but one of the best is a article in USA Today from 2-20-2001by Janet Kornblum._ According to Kornblum, the site was set up shortly after Christmas, 2000, satirize ''the human belief of nature as commodity."_ Kornblum interviewed one of the creaters who used an alias, "Dr. Michael Wong Chang."_ He said one of the main aims was to "punish the hypocritical and easily offended by upsetting them, and to amuse those who understand."_ The result has been an international outcry by animal rights groups who say that even if the site is a joke, they object to the fact that it displays and could provoke animal cruelty._ In response to concerns from Internet readers, the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals investigated the site and found no evidence of animal abuse._ No kittens have actually been put through the torture described on the site._ An FBI investigation was also opened.
Anyone who fails to realize that it's a hoax from now on should be stuck in the damm jar for the good of humanity.
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Originally posted by Razor
How the hell do you know weather it is fake or not?
Through the use of a functional brain. Have you even looked at the Guestbook section?
From: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000
How DARE you do such a thing to an animal! You are going to PAY for what you have done to these animals!! You will be hearing from us and the Animal Legal Defense Fund Lawyers!
Dear Molly,
We at Bonsai Kitten firmly support your goal of preventing cruelty to animals. It is very important that all procedures be done using only USDA approved Bonsai Kitticulture techniques. Our charter firmly states that no kitten shall be subjected to inhumane treatments! You can rest assured, our kittens feel no pain using the proper procedures. If you have not been licensed to verify that you know the proper techniques then you should not try this at home! Remember, you cannot trim a kitten! We would like to invite you to our facility to play with our latest collection of tetrahedral kitties, and our dodecahedral cat that is the mother of them all. Edwin A. Abbott would be so very proud!
(http://www.bonsaikitten.com/parts/bk.jpg)
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This has rapidly gone from highly amusing to even more so. I blame TG's posting of an actual article describing it as a hoax and its origins, and the subsequent lack of attention given it by those who want to be outraged. Go write the Onion some nasty letters about its articles or something, willya? Morons.
Incidentially, I reccomend all of you bookmark this thread for future reference on whose arguments are to be utterly ignored and whose not.:D
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
This has rapidly gone from highly amusing to even more so. I blame TG's posting of an actual article describing it as a hoax and its origins, and the subsequent lack of attention given it by those who want to be outraged. Go write the Onion some nasty letters about its articles or something, willya? Morons.
Incidentially, I reccomend all of you bookmark this thread for future reference on whose arguments are to be utterly ignored and whose not.:D
On a completely random note, the math thread is quite possibly the funniest thing I have ever read. In a Homer Simpson shouting "NERDS" kinda way.
Also, watching two kittens fighting is one of the most wholesome fun things you can do.
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back to the 1st post.... hmm, this makes me think of my 30 pound cat... try to stic that in a jar :rolleyes:
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Damn, and i was thinking nothing would have happened in the 3 days i haven't checked here.. but nope :D
I haven't laughed this hard in hours. Thanks Neon! ;7
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now that it has been proven false we can have fun with it
(http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/blackwater/bonsikitty.gif)
I made that BTW
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heh i've seen/heard of alot worse things done to kittens.
They seem to be at the brunt of the animal abusing spear that is teenagers with nothing to do with their time and alot of it. ;7
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lol...that site is hillarious....
ok, if you want to know something sick, then talk to the people that said they wanted one :p
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ok, if you want to know something sick, then talk to the people that said they wanted one :p
uh.. yeah.. those sick bastards.... :nervous:
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This website, horrible as it is, is not the worst thing out there. What's even more amazing is the conspiracy coverup of the dangers of DHMO (http://www.dhmo.org/). How can we continue to tolerate the use of such a chemical? Honestly, I don't see why the issue can be ignored. We should be outraged!
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yeah, but its also one of the most fake "evil" websites out there.
the pictures show now proof and you can't even order anyof the cats damnit.
I must admit, it would have taken me another 2 years to come up with that idea on my own though. heh
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I've been reading that site about DHMO
Contributes to soil erosion.
:ha: :lol: :ha:
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Actually, the DHMO thing pisses me off a bit, just because it's so damn unoriginal. I remember the guy who invented that whole routine- it was great then, because nearly everyone wanted to ban it (kinda making a commentary on our current chem laws), but now it's just OLD.
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That Black Jesus site had me ROFLMAO... one of my house mates is a bit of a hard-core Christian, and I think I might inflict this site on him...
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Originally posted by Razor
How the hell do you know weather it is fake or not? If it's not fake I would stuck that guys head in that jar and see if he would survive.
Congradulations! You just made yourself look like a complete moron! How do you feel? :lol:
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*hates newbies*
*hates tards*
*hates tards a lot*
*goes to find the Kitty.mpg from StileProject*
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"I would stuck that guys head in that jar and see if he would survive"
actualy some anchient south american cultures used to do this in an effort to make themselves look better, it basicly gave them a cone head
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
That Black Jesus site had me ROFLMAO... one of my house mates is a bit of a hard-core Christian, and I think I might inflict this site on him...
Depends on how mature of a Christian he is (mature meaning, has he been a Christian for long). I consider myself a hard-core Christian too, but I realize that the site doesn't take itself seriously...especially considering where it links to. That being said, there are a couple of thoughtful bits on the site. Even the concept that Jesus was black is not without merit. He had some African blood in him (take a look at the geneology) and he was probably pretty dark already from being born in the Middle East.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
heh i've seen/heard of alot worse things done to kittens.
They seem to be at the brunt of the animal abusing spear that is teenagers with nothing to do with their time and alot of it. ;7
dont make me get out the story of were a guy dressed 2 dogs in womens cloths.... [SIZE=0]raped them[/SIZE] and killed them :nervous: :nervous: :shaking: :shaking:
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Depends on how mature of a Christian he is...
Oh, well he's got absolutely no sense of humour when it comes to his religion... and he won't let any remark go without an argument. He also claimed recently to be able to explain every question man has about the universe. I tried to tell him that just saying 'because God says so' is a tad lame, but he wasn't having any of it.
He's a proper holier-than-thou job, and will happily tell me I'm going to hell if I bring the subject up. We have a theory that he only does the whole religion thing to be annoying... even my other christian friends find this guy's attitude irritating. Unfortunately, this side of his character only came out after we had signed the contract for the house, so now we're stuck with him. Luckily, he's a computer science student, so he's handy to have around - otherwise we'd have had to have ***** slapped him down for his own good by now :)
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diamondgeezer: So now would be a good time to mention to him that I'm an athiest? :D
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He's a proper holier-than-thou job, and will happily tell me I'm going to hell if I bring the subject up.
awesome! lucky you... :D ;)
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Well, by his logic I can sin as much as I want, because if I don't go to church and embrace God and so forth then I'm going to Hell no matter how good a person I am.
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Eh, sounds like he's too full of himself to be an effective Christian witness. There's the matter of tact...:wtf: Converting people indirectly by showing them how the Christian's life has been changed is A-1 SUPAR... not by throwing the book at them without taking the time to learn where they're coming from.
People like that give Christianity a bad name, and I don't blame people for being turned off by it. :(
The thing with Christianity is that God loves you more than you could ever love him, and that he is the one going all out to reach you. Going to church and stuff is a response based on a growing relationship, not a condition for starting that relationship.
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I'm aware of the theory... but I'm still not touching it with a ten-foot clown pole
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Originally posted by Goober5000
The thing with Christianity is that God loves you more than you could ever love him, and that he is the one going all out to reach you.
Sounds like Santa Claus! ;)
Feh, I just went through all this over on the TTLG board (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59459).
Suffice it to say that I'm neither so emotionally needy nor so creatively vacant that I need to believe in a magic man in the sky to make me feel warm-n-fuzzy and serve as an answer to all the "unanswerable" questions.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Luckily, he's a computer science student, so he's handy to have around - otherwise we'd have had to have ***** slapped him down for his own good by now :)
Piece of advice- CS students have bugger_all_idea what they're doing when they fix stuff. They've just broken computers in far more ways than a normal person :nod:
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Zylon: pretty good reasoning there. I disagree with you on the ideal god thing, Aphrodite would be much more fun to have around.
Greek Mythology is much better written than Judeo/Christian Mythology either way. The plot is better and the characters are more likable.
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DG seconds Top Gun's motion
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i always enjoyed about reading how all the different gods had sex with each other too. "keepin' it real" :p
dont make me get out the story of were a guy dressed 2 dogs in womens cloths.... raped them and killed them
meh, thats nothing compared to the pyschotic girl at my Junior High (she almost commited suicide on more than several occasions, really messed up) "discovered she was lesbian" after she "pleasured" the principals dog one day at lunch after she said she would watch it for the principal..
:blah:
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Sounds like Santa Claus! ;)
Feh, I just went through all this over on the TTLG board (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59459).
Suffice it to say that I'm neither so emotionally needy nor so creatively vacant that I need to believe in a magic man in the sky to make me feel warm-n-fuzzy and serve as an answer to all the "unanswerable" questions.
I've been through several of these kinds of debates. They're rather annoying, for both sides I think. Each side, in its own way, is completely convinced of its argument and can come up with plenty of rhetorical reasons to support it. But I think we can all agree that you can't change someone's mind who doesn't want his mind changed. I'd like to make a few points, though.
1. The Christian faith is NOT blind. It is not believing in the absence of reason - it is more like trusting that something will happen in the future because you've seen it in the past. In the Bible, faith is always coupled with knowledge. C.F. Acts 17:11, "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true" (emphasis mine). They were comparing a new teaching to see if it was valid based on an old teaching that they held to be true. In the same way, God does not discourage honest questioning of our own.
2. God reveals himself to those who seek him. If you're not looking for him, you're not likely to find him. However, if you make an honest inquiry and you're willing to risk being wrong, you might be surprised at what you find. But God is not going to show himself to someone who does not give him the benefit of the doubt.
You may think that this conflicts with my earlier statement that God is the one going all out to reach you. It doesn't. God puts many clues on your path, but you're not going to see them if you refuse to believe the possibility that they exist. It's like billboards on a highway: No matter how many billboards there are, you're not going to see them if you're driving with your eyes closed.
3. God allows temorary evil in order to reach a greater good. The problem from our perspective is that we often can't understand what he's doing. Think of it like chess. If we didn't have the mental capacity to see forward several moves, we would be astonished to see someone sacrifice his queen in order to gain a better position. We would have no idea what he was doing, and we would conclude from our limited perspective that his objective was not to win the chess game but to forfeit his chess pieces. We might further say that the player was being deceptive in claiming to wish to win the game, that he could be lying to us, or any number of other things.
Hopefully, food for thought. :)
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aw not this again. can't we go back to talking about how coo-- er bad it is to stuff kittin's in jars and stick tubes up their anus's ?
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I could argue all of those points, but the problem is that this has all already been brought up before in earlier threads; just look at my responses on those. This is an easy subject to argue on though, so I will join in if you want. :D
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Meh, I'm not feeling too inclined to argue either, since arguing doesn't really seem to accomplish anything very often.
If anyone finds themself in a bookstore in the future and feels inclined to page through a book on this subject, try Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ or The Case for Faith. The books chronicle how the author came to be a Christian. They provide some great analyses, as they were written by a journalist with a probing mind and a keen sense of detail. They're quite interesting to read.
If you have a spare moment in the bookstore, read through a few pages. Easy reading, challenging material. :)
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
i always enjoyed about reading how all the different gods had sex with each other too. "keepin' it real" :p
Yes, it brings new meanings to the concept of divine omnipotence :D
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Originally posted by an0n
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What the hell are ya laughing that ain't funny it's lame if i saw that my neihgbour whas doing that i would break his neck
man those people who do that are sick
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You stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid person :lol:
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people are still falling for that after it has posted around ten times that it is a fake? :p
(and even if it was real, no big deal; much "worse" things are happening all the time)
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Originally posted by Goober5000
...try Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ or The Case for Faith...
I've seen a copy of The case for God. It's huge, and I'm scared to even try and lift it :nod:
If you want a good read, try some von Daniken - paleoSETI all the way! w00+!
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I've seen a copy of The case for God. It's huge, and I'm scared to even try and lift it :nod:
Didn't know there was a third. But TCFC and TCFF aren't all that big, and you can easily read a few pages without needing to refer to the rest of the book.
If you want a good read, try some von Daniken - paleoSETI all the way! w00+!
How's that...has the guy (or gal) found evidence for ET from SETI logs?
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I've seen a copy of The case for God. It's huge, and I'm scared to even try and lift it :nod:
This is a much better read. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/087975124X/)
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Meh, if you can't work out your own fairly rational case you probably can't grasp anyone elses' enough to wield it. Is you already HAVE heard both sides and formed an opinion, and want to take another look at it, I suppose this'd be handy, but...
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This is a much better read.
Au contraire (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/christianreader.html)
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
This is a much better read. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/087975124X/)
I'll keep it in mind next time I'm in a bookstore. Knowing your opposition is A-1 SUPAR. :)
This review is pretty much along my lines of thinking...
I was a Christian before I read this book....
...and I still am. But read on, this is a review. I believe in a God who allows us to honestly and openly search and question truth. Why? Well, if, as I believe, he's the embodiment of truth and of honesty, then what does he have to fear? Anyway, the book, the book...Smith writes well and his arguments flow sensibly. His points are clear and he does not tend to hang on a point too long once he's made it. It was a good mental workout to read because he raises issues that I'd never considered before. However, I only give it 3 stars because I'm 19 and am not wise with age, yet I could easily defeat every anti-god and anti-God argument Smith brought to the table (foundationally and at each point) with quotes directly from the Bible and occasionally from the worldview I derive directly from it. I recommend reading this book, critically as anyone thinking person should, and I would also recommend C.S. Lewis's shorter books, Mere Christianity and The Problem of Pain. The books are written on about the same level as The Case Against God and will give you two sides of a debate so you can do something many Christians and atheists seem to fail at: weigh evidence and truly make your own decision. We all owe it to ourselves to make the best decision we can. Did you meet every "Christian" and "atheist" alive and learn their motives? Have you read every book written? Did you stand by as the galaxies began their spins? No, so do not judge before you discover at least a little. Don't count God out yet. Neither count him in. This book puts up a well-written fight against him, so read it if you haven't already.
I should also say that although some atheistic positions can be argued effectively using reasoning on a secular basis, others can't be argued unless you accept certain theistic positions.
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Just for the record, I've never read this book. Just found it as a counterpoint to the already-mentioned book.
I did quite like a bit from that review you quoted--
I could easily defeat every anti-god and anti-God argument Smith brought to the table (foundationally and at each point) with quotes directly from the Bible
Yup, my favorite argument. "The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true." :ick
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
I did quite like a bit from that review you quoted--
Yup, my favorite argument. "The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true." :ick
No, that's not quite it. The Bible says certain things about God, and I accept them because I have already accepted the authority of the Bible. As far as accepting the authority of the Bible, that is based on other things. I don't believe the Bible is true just because it says so. I believe the Bible is true because of its internal consistency, its correlation with archaeology, and its phophetic record.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
How's that...has the guy (or gal) found evidence for ET from SETI logs?
Not exactly. He reckons that God (and not just God, but all the world's ancient gods) was an alien, who visited Earth and wowed the locals with some flash technology, meddled with our genetics a bit and then buggered off having promised to return.
Interestingly, he uses a lot of the same Biblical stuff you would probably quote, but for a very different purpose to yourself. All about interpretaion, I guess, but Chariots of the Gods (his first book) was far more entertaining than anything the Church ever came up with...
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Originally posted by Goober5000
I believe the Bible is true because of its internal consistency, its correlation with archaeology, and its phophetic record.
You've got to be joking the bible is less coherent and has more contradictions per page than The Sun (aggessive right wing UK tabliod) on a bad day. What exactly is the Bible though. The Bible has been derived from approved scripts put together for Emperor Constuntine by the Bishop of Caesaria. Lots of Material was left out. You can't seriously belive it's the sole infallable word of god.
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how did it get from bosnai kittens to religion(again) ???? :confused:
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The guy who invented bonsai kittens is God. Or something. Maybe because they both deal with things of specious existence, though one is a fad and the other a deity...
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
though one is a fad and the other a deity...
but which one? ;7
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
aw not this again. can't we go back to talking about how coo-- er bad it is to stuff kittin's in jars and stick tubes up their anus's ?
Thats not as much fun as tying a string to a rag, then tying the string to a piece of bread, throwing it up to a seagul and watching the results. :D
Then of course, there's the ever popular alka-seltzer trick. :D
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Bottle rockets are better if you've got seagulls. It's like a little AA rig in your own backyard!
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Bottle rockets are better if you've got seagulls. It's like a little AA rig in your own backyard!
hahahah
I'd hate to see what they 'd do when they see a roman candle come flying their way. :D
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Alright, if I had the time, I would really go on one of my nihilist crusades yet again. :D (and I have enough supporting arguments to go on raving about this for my entire life :p :D)
internal consistency
eh? :wtf:
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Yes, internally consistent. Not carbon copies (which would actually make it suspect), but many perspectives speaking about the same thing.
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[knows where this is going]
[ducks behind a bush]
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Bottle rockets are better if you've got seagulls. It's like a little AA rig in your own backyard!
The guys in the house two doors down from the one behind us were launching fireworks t'other day, and several of them came too close to our gaff for my liking. I now have a carrier bag full of barrages and airbombs, plus a very large cluster rocket, which I intend to aim right at their windows :nod:
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
The guys in the house two doors down from the one behind us were launching fireworks t'other day, and several of them came too close to our gaff for my liking. I now have a carrier bag full of barrages and airbombs, plus a very large cluster rocket, which I intend to aim right at their windows :nod:
rofl!
Be sure to let us know what happens. :p
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I'm still wondering... wtf does this have to do with bonsai kittens? Oh well, HLP spirit i guess... Gimme links to some funny sites, like the one of black jesus!!! :lol:
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
Be sure to let us know what happens. :p
Well, we let off some smaller bangers and a couple of uber-loud double airbombs, then a couple of crackley roman candles. But then the old drunk bloke a few doors down started screaming at us that Bonfire Night was last week, so we decided to go to a bit of field near us to let the rest off. When we got there though, the church bells were ringing, and it suddenly hit us - November 11th. We felt a little bit guilty at this point, so we decided to stop, and do the rest of 'em tomorrow.
That cluster rocket's gonna be 5w337...
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Well, we let off some smaller bangers
Bangers?
(http://www.gastrofood.co.za/Sausages.jpg)
:ha:
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Be sure to post pictures of the cluster rocket, before and after. :D
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Keep trying Mr B, you'll get there eventually
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That's a rather impressive collection of sausages. The white ones look like they're Tripe.