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Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: USS Alexander on November 16, 2002, 11:41:33 am
Well Yoda offcourse......in my oppinion
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Fineus on November 16, 2002, 11:49:39 am
Yoda without a doubt, anyone that small who can still hold his own and even win is worthy of a vote. Plus he's got good lines and is on the good side of things ;)

I wonder how the Emprorer would fight with a lightsaber come ROTJ....
Title: Who da man?
Post by: Knight Templar on November 16, 2002, 11:53:41 am
Yo-Da-Man!
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: USS Alexander on November 16, 2002, 11:53:50 am
Speaking of the emperor...who the hell is he.......my first geus is chanselor palpetine.

Clonewars is definetly the best SW movie i saw...(and i saw them all)
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 16, 2002, 11:55:44 am
Offically, it's Yoda of course,... followed by Dooku then Mace.

And Alex,.. are you seriously asking who Emporer "Palpetine" is ?
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: USS Alexander on November 16, 2002, 11:58:07 am
No i'm asking who of you guys think is the emperor (in the last 3 movies)it must be someone in the republic...and i'm geusing it's palpatine, who is fooling the entire ****, he plays at 2 sides
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: vadar_1 on November 16, 2002, 11:59:10 am
id light to see obi-wan absorbe with his saber the power of a 500 terrawatt photon beam cannon.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Stunaep on November 16, 2002, 12:01:17 pm
DXBALL!!

i mean

YODA!!
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 16, 2002, 12:04:05 pm
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Originally posted by USS Alexander
No i'm asking who of you guys think is the emperor (in the last 3 movies)it must be someone in the republic...and i'm geusing it's palpatine, who is fooling the entire ****, he plays at 2 sides


Well he was called Emporer Palpitine in ROTJ for one....same in all the books following so it's pretty much concidered known fact Palpy becomes the Emporer and currently (ep 1 & 2) he's using the name Sidious as his Sith name and working behind the shadows.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: USS Alexander on November 16, 2002, 12:05:25 pm
mmmmmm i saw ROTJ about 50 times and never i noticed the name palpetine in it:lol: :lol:  stupid me:sigh:
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 16, 2002, 12:15:36 pm
Heh ... I'll have to rewatch to figure the exact point...but I know ONE of the originals names him. plus of course all the guide books etc etc ;)

Hope I didn't spoil it for you man...I seriously thought everyone knew.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: USS Alexander on November 16, 2002, 12:19:35 pm
Nahh you dind't spoilt it.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 16, 2002, 12:23:49 pm
Cool.........myself i'm looking forward to the Anakin becomes Vader part :)

Last week my GF found info about Lucas paying some film company to film a volcano that's recently become active. So the old Net version about Anakin and Obi wan dueling over a volcano and anakin falling into it MIGHT be true....if not odd.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: mikhael on November 16, 2002, 12:26:43 pm
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Originally posted by Warlock
Cool.........myself i'm looking forward to the Anakin becomes Vader part :)

Last week my GF found info about Lucas paying some film company to film a volcano that's recently become active. So the old Net version about Anakin and Obi wan dueling over a volcano and anakin falling into it MIGHT be true....if not odd.


Old Net version? Man, that rumor has been going around since before RotJ was released. I remember discussing that in the SIXTH GRADE. :D

Oh, and:
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Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars?

 This Man. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,11426.0.html) :lol:
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Stealth on November 16, 2002, 01:00:02 pm
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Originally posted by Warlock
Offically, it's Yoda of course,... followed by Dooku then Mace.

And Alex,.. are you seriously asking who Emporer "Palpetine" is ?


actually in the books Mace was said to be better than Dooku at the lightsaber.  I think they even mention it in the movies (not sure though) when Anakin says (episode 2):

something about "the wisdom of master Yoda and the lightsaber skills of Master Windu"
Title: Re: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: ZylonBane on November 16, 2002, 01:03:17 pm
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Originally posted by USS Alexander
Who is the best
Darth Not Appearing In This Film.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Gortef on November 16, 2002, 01:03:59 pm
Yo-ho-ho-ho-hooda
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Galemp on November 16, 2002, 03:24:24 pm
Darth Maul. He defeated two Jedi at once, but let his guard down at the last minute.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Stunaep on November 16, 2002, 03:31:15 pm
*looks at poll results*

yeah.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Martinus on November 16, 2002, 08:34:55 pm
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Originally posted by mikhael


 This Man. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,11426.0.html) :lol:


Thanks for the vote of confidence dude :D
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Zeronet on November 16, 2002, 09:53:58 pm
Im sorry, but Obi Wan is not the best lightsaber fighter in star wars. This shouldnt even be the vote, it should be a topic proclaiming Yoda as the one with the best swordskills.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Carl on November 16, 2002, 10:06:33 pm
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Originally posted by USS Alexander
No i'm asking who of you guys think is the emperor (in the last 3 movies)it must be someone in the republic...and i'm geusing it's palpatine, who is fooling the entire ****, he plays at 2 sides


yeah...um, dude, in the first movies they called the emperor "emperor palpatine", so, no-freaking-duh.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 17, 2002, 12:44:41 am
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Originally posted by Stealth


actually in the books Mace was said to be better than Dooku at the lightsaber.  I think they even mention it in the movies (not sure though) when Anakin says (episode 2):

something about "the wisdom of master Yoda and the lightsaber skills of Master Windu"

*shrug*
I'm going off the Power of the Jedi book which said Yoda and Dooku were the only two known to best Mace in lightsaber combat ... I _think_ the new Esst. Guide to characters also stated it ...I'll check it in the morning since it's a bit late.

No biggy if I'm wrong thou ;)
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 17, 2002, 12:45:39 am
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Originally posted by mikhael


Old Net version? Man, that rumor has been going around since before RotJ was released. I remember discussing that in the SIXTH GRADE. :D


I've only seen that idea on Vader's origin online,... though I know it's been around for awhile.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Vertigo1 on November 17, 2002, 01:11:28 am
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Originally posted by Carl


yeah...um, dude, in the first movies they called the emperor "emperor palpatine", so, no-freaking-duh.


Not to mention that its stated quite clearly on the back of the Episode I VHS. :)
Title: Re: Who da man?
Post by: Vertigo1 on November 17, 2002, 01:13:20 am
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Yo-Da-Man!


DIE!

















;)
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Shrike on November 17, 2002, 01:17:11 am
(http://www.darthvader-starwars.com/images/vader.gif)

Yoda is overatted fan service.  There is only one true master.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Knight Templar on November 17, 2002, 01:26:41 am
I guess Darth Pimpsta' (:thepimp: ) did beat them all in the end.. save Luke. Although Luke never seemed as highly skilled a swordsman as the prequel jedi, although that just may be bad scripting.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: NeoHunter on November 17, 2002, 03:11:28 am
Nah. I think most of us would think that the prequels had better lightsaber fighting than Episodes 4, 5 and 6 is because George Lucas didn't think of fancy kungfu-style lightsaber duels until he wanted to make the prequels.

Therefore, I think it is not entirely correct to say that Luke's generation had lousy and dull fighting styles. If George Lucas DID think of kungfu in the first place, I think you could also see Darth Vadar do fancy lightsaber moves too in his black and heavy suit.:D

In my opinion, I think Obi-Wan. Sure, he may be less experienced than Mace Windu but his is more fancy. Remember the beginning of Episode One when he and Qui-Gon Jinn had to fight their way from the gas room into a crowd of battle droids? The slicing off the head then doing a back stab into the headless droid. Then during the fight with Darth Maul on Naboo. After Qui-Gon Jinn died, he got angry and fought very fast. That was way cool man! I even rewinded back a few times then played on slow motion to see what actually happened. Where he blocked and where he striked.

So, I say Obi-Wan Kenobi is better.:D
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Knight Templar on November 17, 2002, 03:17:56 am
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Nah. I think most of us would think that the prequels had better lightsaber fighting than Episodes 4, 5 and 6 is because George Lucas didn't think of fancy kungfu-style lightsaber duels until he wanted to make the prequels.


thats actually what i meant. :D

(http://hwcomic.planethardwar.com/smiles/starwars.gif)
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Ulundel on November 17, 2002, 04:10:58 am
Vader is the best. Yes, he is.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Tiara on November 17, 2002, 04:12:02 am
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Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: ZylonBane on November 17, 2002, 05:11:52 am
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Originally posted by NeoHunter
I think most of us would think that the prequels had better lightsaber fighting than Episodes 4, 5 and 6 is because George Lucas didn't think of fancy kungfu-style lightsaber duels until he wanted to make the prequels.
I think most of us would think that the fighting was better in the prequels because those Jedi had years of training in lavish dedicated facilities.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Fineus on November 17, 2002, 06:52:12 am
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Originally posted by Shrike
(http://www.darthvader-starwars.com/images/vader.gif)

Yoda is overatted fan service.  There is only one true master.

Dude, he died ;)
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Ulundel on November 17, 2002, 07:24:56 am
Yeah. only because he was fighting with his son.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: mikhael on November 17, 2002, 12:31:13 pm
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Originally posted by Thunder

Dude, he died ;)


Yeah, but all the rest got KILLED. you do the math. Don't doubt for a moment that Anakin slew Dooku to take his place. Of course Yoda kinda faded away--in exile, in defeat.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Fineus on November 17, 2002, 12:46:22 pm
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Originally posted by mikhael
Yeah, but all the rest got KILLED.

Think of ROTJ - if Luke hadn't had the compassion he did then Vader would've been killed by him as well - he was beaten remember? Lying on the floor... one less arm and open for the striking blow?

Besides, Yoda had no choice but to flee - remember what happened to the Jedi who stuck around? I'd say that makes Yoda a bit of a sensible guy (Hmm... stay and die, flee and live after out-fighting every else anyway... hard that).

I rest my case ;)
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Ulundel on November 17, 2002, 01:01:44 pm
Ok, Yoda wins...
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: mikhael on November 17, 2002, 01:16:07 pm
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Originally posted by Thunder

Think of ROTJ - if Luke hadn't had the compassion he did then Vader would've been killed by him as well - he was beaten remember? Lying on the floor... one less arm and open for the striking blow?

Besides, Yoda had no choice but to flee - remember what happened to the Jedi who stuck around? I'd say that makes Yoda a bit of a sensible guy (Hmm... stay and die, flee and live after out-fighting every else anyway... hard that).

I rest my case ;)

Absolutely. The guy was defeated in the end by his whiny puling son--though I'd say he let the kid win.

Yoda had no choice but to flee, or he coulda taken it like a man, like the rest of his less cowardly bretheren, and fought back. Discretion is the better part of valor, sure, but he ran and hid in a hut and completely failed to unleash Happy Fun Muppet Death on Vader. He was WEAK.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Fineus on November 17, 2002, 01:27:49 pm
Perhaps Vadar did let Luke win, but we're not discussing personality traits here - and the evidence is that Vadar lost, horray for him not deciding to pull Luke to bits where he stood, but he still lost.

As for Yoda... No amount of lightsaber ass kicking is going to do any good when you've got to get your ship of choice past the Imperial fleet to get to Vadar, it's all good and well if he could've wizzarded himself off to Vadars bedroom for merry hell-raising between them but he'd have had to get off his rock, get a ship and then get past god knows how many ships/storm troopers before finally getting to fight Vadar. The nearest Star Destroyer would've blown him out of the stars before he had a chance to get close. So yeah, I can see why not staying and fighting makes him cowardly.. perhaps if he could've E-mailed Vadar and said "look, I want to fight you in a lightsaber duel but I don't want to get blown out of the sky on the way there... deal?" He'd have had better luck ;)

Besides, by running he helped Luke who in turn went out and fought Vadar. Doing far more good than wandering into the fight and getting shot out of the sky would've done. So what he did wasn't weak, it was intelligent.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Martinus on November 17, 2002, 02:07:07 pm
I think it was the special edition DVD of ep.1 where Lucas said that the lightsaber fight at the end of jedi was between an untrained kid and a cripple.

How do you define who is best with a lightsaber anyway? Yoda practically relies on the force to even lift one so you might say that Yoda is not the best with a lightsaber, the person who can fight with the most skill without relying on the force would be the best. At least that's how I look at it. *Shrugs*

Assuming that Dooku is using the force to more or less the same extent that any other able bodied jedi is he would appear to be the most skillful. Then again he's a pretty elderly guy so he might just be as reliant on the force as Yoda.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Fineus on November 17, 2002, 02:18:51 pm
Isn't relying on the force a part of lightsaber fighting - to anticipate your enemies attacks and so on (disregarding Yoda who probably makes heavy use of the force to jump around like a rabbit on speed..). If force is not involved in lightsaber fighting then it becomes a case of who the best swordsman is... just because it's with a lightsaber shouldn't make it any different.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Martinus on November 17, 2002, 02:30:50 pm
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Originally posted by Thunder
Isn't relying on the force a part of lightsaber fighting - to anticipate your enemies attacks and so on (disregarding Yoda who probably makes heavy use of the force to jump around like a rabbit on speed..). If force is not involved in lightsaber fighting then it becomes a case of who the best swordsman is... just because it's with a lightsaber shouldn't make it any different.


I was assuming some level of force usage was an aspect of LS combat, hence I said that if Dooku used the force to more or less the same level as other jedi i.e. he's simply using it to make tactical judgements then he would appear to be the best. Based on a size comparison and considering that Luke could carry Yoda around on his back with little discernable effort would suggest that Yoda also uses the force to accentuate his strength as he is seen pressing against Dooku's saber blade. Lets face it though Lucas isn't exactly famous for sticking to physics if it would impact or complicate the storyline.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: StratComm on November 17, 2002, 02:43:24 pm
I could be missing something, but can anyone actually argue that the new Star Wars are better than the old ones?  OK, so they might have better effects, but the movies themselves (especially episode II) are terrible.  But when it comes to the argument over Vader vs. Luke, you could say that Luke was getting beaten until Vader says that line "if you cannot be turned, then perhaps she will," that Luke goes off and starts kicking Vader's tail.  So you could argue that it was Luke's passion, more than his skill, that let him win over an obviously better-trained Sith.  The emporer, on the other hand, wanted Luke to win and kill Vader, thus turning him to the dark side and replacing an aging, mechanically dependant Dark lord with a young and powerful one.  It is only when Luke refuses to strike the death-dealing blow on Vader that Palepatine tried to kill him.  But chalk up another inconsistancy for the prequils, I guess...
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Fineus on November 17, 2002, 03:10:33 pm
Maeg - Gotcha, and agree :)

Strat - Again, I see what you mean. I've given up on watching Episodes 1,2 and when it's out - 3 as films leading up to episodes 4,5,6. The errors made between them make it better to watch the films as if you'd never seen 4,5,6 before and were watching them for the first time - it makes it more enjoyable.

Ja Ja Binks is still unforgivable though..
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Martinus on November 17, 2002, 03:18:14 pm
Anyone noticed that even though the saber fights in empire and Jedi aren't as flashy they convey a far more powerful show. The combatants really do look like they're fighting for their lives. The prequels just don't have the same urgency and power.

Bring back Irvine Kershner I say! I recon Spielberg would do a fantastic job as well, pity Lucas is too limited to give him the directors chair. :sigh:
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Stealth on November 17, 2002, 04:38:19 pm
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Originally posted by Thunder
Isn't relying on the force a part of lightsaber fighting - to anticipate your enemies attacks and so on


somewhat.

remember in the end of episode 2.

Dooku: "It's obvious that this battle can't be won by our knowledge of the force, but by our skills with a lightsaber" (pulls out his lightsaber)

so obviously the lightsaber aspect relies on the force somewhat, is still a different aspect.

Look at Mara Jade, she was incredibly strong in the force, but yet she didn't know how to use a lightsaber.  `
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Knight Templar on November 17, 2002, 04:45:42 pm
yeah, just because you are strong in the force doesn't automatically make you adept at lightsaber fighting.

It'd be like drawing a really good picture by tracing it, but you have no motorskills so you just go all over the place.. or something like that. :p
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Vertigo1 on November 18, 2002, 12:30:39 am
Don't forget that each Jedi has his/her own style of fighting.  Anakin (young) has a more aggressive style while Obi-Wan is more "by the book".

As for the Luke vs. Vader fight, remember that Vader is half-machine.  He was an old man, and add on that he recieved massive injuries from the events in Ep3 (oh come on!  Its not like you didn't already know this!), its quite impressive how he took on someone far younger than him.  Hell, he even matched his old master in Ep4!  Thats gotta say something.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Ulundel on November 18, 2002, 08:52:12 am
Well, it seems that we're talkin' about lightsabers and force here now. In that case Vader is surely the best. Remember, he's the only one who can use the force without raising hand or somethin'

And of course they have to use the force during LS fight. remember the end of Ep2, where Anakin cuts out the power line and lights go off...
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Unknown Target on November 18, 2002, 10:12:47 am
Ph34r the Gr33n Y0gurt of D00M!
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Tar-Palantir on November 18, 2002, 10:38:26 am
The three way Obi-Mual-other guy in Ep1 was rather good, but I'll have to go with Vader and Obi-wan in 'New Hope' in joint first place with Luck and Vader in 'Empire' as the best ones LS fighters.

As an aside, I didn't find the Yoda-Dooku to be that impressive.

As an another aside, one reason why the prequels arn't as good is because they have to put across too much of a story. With 4,5 and 6 you just accepted that the Empire was, the Jedi were extincit etc. With the new ones they have to get to that point which is a lot harder to do.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Razor on November 18, 2002, 11:24:18 am
My vote goes to Kyle Katarn. He owns both Yoda, not to mention Luke. Anakin? Bah He would wet his pants when Kyle Katarn gives him a shock. Why do I think Kyle is the best? Cause he wields with both sides of the Force. He defeated 9 Dark Jedi and many reborns and shadow troopers. He has a sence of humor. He owns any Jedi in Star Wars. Luke is a boy. He can't use the Force as good as Kyle. Oh yeah Luke defeated Vader. Heh Vader is a cripple. Anyone could have defeated him.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Razor on November 18, 2002, 11:27:24 am
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Originally posted by USS Alexander

Clonewars is definetly the best SW movie i saw...(and i saw them all)


I don't think so. The only thing that CW is worse than Ep 1 is the jedi battle. In Ep 1 you have a load of new stuff. Dual bladed saber, laser doors, intense fighting. Coll slicing of droids. Pod races. But the best is the fight Maul-Qui gon- Obi. In ep 2 the only new thing is two saber battle wich lasted for 5 seconds. :doubt: By the way, Anakin sucks at being a jedi. Obi wan is the next best after Kyle Katarn.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Ulundel on November 18, 2002, 11:29:15 am
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Originally posted by Razor
Heh Vader is a cripple. Anyone could have defeated him.


[Al]I don't think so Tim[/Al]
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Ulundel on November 18, 2002, 11:31:10 am
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Originally posted by Razor


I don't think so. The only thing that CW is worse than Ep 1 is the jedi battle. In Ep 1 you have a load of new stuff. Dual bladed saber, laser doors, intense fighting. Coll slicing of droids. Pod races. But the best is the fight Maul-Qui gon- Obi. In ep 2 the only new thing is two saber battle wich lasted for 5 seconds. :doubt: By the way, Anakin sucks at being a jedi. Obi wan is the next best after Kyle Katarn.


Ep 1 is the worse. UGH! it isn't SW at all. Ep 1 is for kids. Seems that disney helped Lucas with ep 1...
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Razor on November 18, 2002, 11:44:57 am
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
 Hell, he even matched his old master in Ep4!  Thats gotta say something.


Obi wan could have kicked his ass if there were no storm ts. He practically "surrendered" when he saw that Luke and the others were safe. He turned off his saber and Vader slashed him.
In Ep 5 Luke was defeated because Vader injured him with throwing things at him. And the foolish Luke at the end of the battle just used one arm in fighting while Vader used both. It was like he was asking for death. However Vader spared him in a way. He didnt kill him although Luke was at lets say 1% health.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Razor on November 18, 2002, 11:46:26 am
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve


[Al]I don't think so Tim[/Al]

Not Tim. Razor.    R-A-Z-O-R
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Ulundel on November 18, 2002, 12:01:34 pm
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Originally posted by Razor

Not Tim. Razor.    R-A-Z-O-R


:sigh:
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Stealth on November 18, 2002, 12:43:17 pm
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Well, it seems that we're talkin' about lightsabers and force here now. In that case Vader is surely the best. Remember, he's the only one who can use the force without raising hand or somethin'


lifting the hand has nothing to do with it!  i mean, on MANY occasions Luke used the force (in the movies) where he lifted C3PO with the Ewoks, as well as on many occasions he used the force without using his hands.

moving his hands have nothing to do with it.

Kueller could 0wn all... he was farrrrr more powerful than any Jedi, and yet he was only a boy.  the force was so strong with him it distorted his face and he had to wear a mask.  he took on "Master" Luke (this is supposedly in the future, when han and leia had the twins and anakin) and the only way they could beat him was to create a bubble in the force and then leia shot him with a laser.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 18, 2002, 01:50:52 pm
If you're bringing in EU characters ,... Exar Kun, no doubts at all.

Killed his own Master, nearly took over the entire galaxy,..only way the Jedi could beat him was planety bombardment, even then he placed his lifeforce into a Massassii temple for the next 4000 years.

Course than after he came back as a spirit, push Kyp over the edge and torched a few Jedi kiddies they had the babies defeat him  lol
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Razor on November 18, 2002, 02:01:04 pm
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve


Ep 1 is the worse. UGH! it isn't SW at all. Ep 1 is for kids. Seems that disney helped Lucas with ep 1...


I suppose you have watched it only once. If you have watched it a lot of times, you would have seen how great the saber duels were. Compare them to the Ep 6 and Ep 5 duels. 5 seconds of fighting and then a conversation that lasts 10-15 seconds. It's baby fight. Moves suck big time. I mean in Ep 5 Vader was open on so many ocasion that Luke could have just stabed him with  a saber with ease. Mind you that stabs are extremely hard to block especially if we take in concideration that Vader was half machine. In Episode 1, Obi wan Kenobi cuted the droids head and backstabed him. That's the artistic death blow. Very elegant and powerfull move. Darth-Maul fights Qui Gon while kicking Kenobi in the face causing him to almost fall to death. Did you see the slash down hack that Obi wan performed in the melting pit room after he cuted Mauls saber in half. How about Maul's moves and saber fighting. Fast and powerfull. That's the art! Those are pro moves never seen in the original trilogy. In Episode 1 Obi an fights more like Luke in episode 6 which sucked and I was disapointed. The only moves I liked was when he cuted that giant spider creature, spined the saber and then wham! Down stab! And of course that cool spin-binding laser deflection scene that lasted for 3 seconds. It was also in OBi Wan trailer. Anyway, Episode 1 owns.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: diamondgeezer on November 19, 2002, 05:20:10 pm
This one still has much to learn...
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Kamikaze on November 19, 2002, 11:07:01 pm
Razor, you have to realize there were some technical limitations when ep 4, 5 and 6 were made. If they remade them now (and used the original scripts/characters and execution) then it would be a lot better in many ways. Personally I don't think Lucas should do 1,2 and 3 (he's wrecking the movie series, I mean... what kind of lunatic would put in-jokes to ep. 4 in ep. 2?) but remake 4, 5 and 6...

I wonder if carrie, harrison and mark are young enough ;)
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Knight Templar on November 19, 2002, 11:13:15 pm
Razor.. read your posts before hitting the button dude...


seriously.. spider creatures.. ? Did I miss something?
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: diamondgeezer on November 19, 2002, 11:18:10 pm
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
I wonder if carrie, harrison and mark are young enough


Or if they need the money...

[EDIT] I felt that the style of fighting in EpII helps to reconcile the duels in EpI with 4,5 and 6. Discuss.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: vadar_1 on November 19, 2002, 11:21:22 pm
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Originally posted by Razor


I don't think so. The only thing that CW is worse than Ep 1 is the jedi battle. In Ep 1 you have a load of new stuff. Dual bladed saber, laser doors, intense fighting. Coll slicing of droids. Pod races. But the best is the fight Maul-Qui gon- Obi. In ep 2 the only new thing is two saber battle wich lasted for 5 seconds. :doubt: By the way, Anakin sucks at being a jedi. Obi wan is the next best after Kyle Katarn.


eh... Episode 2 introduced the concept of a jedi battle.. in all other movies... the jedi were either dead... or sat on their ass in a "council". However, the jedi where the only thing that was better over the original trilogy... i mean... ships in that era where just poor... nothing can beat a star destroyer!!! ... except maybe a death star... but nothing can beat a death star!!!... except maybe a small fighter... well uh... nevermind
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Kamikaze on November 19, 2002, 11:21:58 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer


Or if they need the money...


I expec they'd take the job just for the fun... maybe :p
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: diamondgeezer on November 19, 2002, 11:27:13 pm
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Originally posted by vadar_1
eh... Episode 2 introduced the concept of a jedi battle.. in all other movies... the jedi were either dead... or sat on their ass in a "council". However, the jedi where the only thing that was better over the original trilogy... i mean... ships in that era where just poor... nothing can beat a star destroyer!!! ... except maybe a death star... but nothing can beat a death star!!!... except maybe a small fighter... well uh... nevermind


Well, yes, but don't lose sight of the fact that Star Wars is a fairy tale and not sci-fi
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Knight Templar on November 19, 2002, 11:31:54 pm
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Well, yes, but don't lose sight of the fact that Star Wars is a fairy tale and not sci-fi


oh god.. :sigh:

If anything , X-Wing Alliance has taught us that 3 X-Wings and a well placed Nebulon B Frigate can take down any ISD/STD ( :lol: I still remember the original Abbreviation from X-Wing :lol: )

Canon wise though, the rebs weren't supposed to have any ships untill the higher Calamari Cruisers that could directly challenge a ISD toe to toe. That was the whole basis behind the "Insignificant Rebellion."
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Vertigo1 on November 20, 2002, 01:18:25 am
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Well, it seems that we're talkin' about lightsabers and force here now. In that case Vader is surely the best. Remember, he's the only one who can use the force without raising hand or somethin'

And of course they have to use the force during LS fight. remember the end of Ep2, where Anakin cuts out the power line and lights go off...


Don't forget that Anakin absorbed Han Solo's blaster shots in ESB. :)
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Razor on November 20, 2002, 05:31:21 am
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Originally posted by Vertigo1


Don't forget that Anakin absorbed Han Solo's blaster shots in ESB. :)


He didn't absorb it. His armor is just too strong to substain blaster fire. Only the saber could have dammaged Vader. By the way, speaking of Star Wars and all, does anyone here ever play JK2 on-line and on which servers?
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Razor on November 20, 2002, 01:17:01 pm
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Razor.. read your posts before hitting the button dude...


seriously.. spider creatures.. ? Did I miss something?


I was talking about that creature that attacked Obi Wan in execution arena on Geonosis in Episode 2. I don't know the exact name but it looked kinda like a spider.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: NeoHunter on November 21, 2002, 05:44:56 am
After reading the New Jedi Order series, I think the writers decided to give Luke Skywalker better fighting lightsaber skills which are similar to the prequels than in Episodes 4 to 6. Well, after reading and imagining how the writers describe them fighting.

I also got a better understanding of how a Jedi feels and fights with the Force. They fight with lightsabers witht he Force. All a long, I thought they fought just like that. It was after reading the New Jedi Order then I realised that the Jedi use the Force to guide their movements to block incoming slashes and jabs and also to somusault into the air and roll here and there.

In the New Jedi Order book, Traitor, Jacen uses Force Lightning to hurt Vergere but it causes his hand to hurt. Apparently, the lightning burnt his hand. Why did that happen to him when others before him like Jaina, the Emperor and even Count Dooku never suffered this?

By the way, the "spider thing" that attacked Obi-Wan Kenobi in the arena is called an acklay .

For more details about this deadly creature, please click here (http://www.starwars.com/databank/creature/acklay/index.html).
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 21, 2002, 06:41:45 am
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Originally posted by NeoHunter



In the New Jedi Order book, Traitor, Jacen uses Force Lightning to hurt Vergere but it causes his hand to hurt. Apparently, the lightning burnt his hand. Why did that happen to him when others before him like Jaina, the Emperor and even Count Dooku never suffered this?
 


I think it was because he didn't consciously use it. The way it was written the force lightning was more of an outburst in anger and hatred,...
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Knight Templar on November 21, 2002, 08:57:36 am
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By the way, the "spider thing" that attacked Obi-Wan Kenobi in the arena is called an acklay .


oooh that "spider thing" ..

I always thought of it as a praying mantis. :blah:
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Razor on November 21, 2002, 11:05:30 am
Of course they use the force in duels. If you played Jedi Outcast, you would have noticed that Kyle didn't do any acrobatics untill he reconected to the force. By the way, the force powers that are related to saber fighting are force offence and force deffence. If you don't have these, you can't use the saber properly. By the way, lightning sucks. on JO servers, noobs usually use lightning thinking: Look at me! When I grow up I am gonna be like (that whore) Desann. :ick But they are easy to kill since they suck. They will never learn. LIGHT SIDE OWNS!
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Knight Templar on November 21, 2002, 11:09:14 am
Yeah, they would have to have used the force to saberfight.. Isn't that what set apart norms fighting with sabers and not? It was physically dangerous to figtht with the force if you couldn't control your saber.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 21, 2002, 11:15:02 am
Part of that theory was the Lightsabers only have weight in the hilt. It's not impossible....just really improbable for a non-forceuser to correctly and safely use the weapon. (Not being able to judge the position of the blade while in motion)
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Razor on November 21, 2002, 11:22:43 am
It is true. The blade is just hot energy. If you swing it very very hard you could make a such powerfull spin you might even cut your self in half. I mean, that weapon owns. Wish it could be made. :sigh:
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 21, 2002, 11:37:15 am
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Originally posted by Razor
It is true. The blade is just hot energy. If you swing it very very hard you could make a such powerfull spin you might even cut your self in half. I mean, that weapon owns. Wish it could be made. :sigh:


Aside from looking cool and SW fans buying them like mad,... it wouldn't have much use.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Shrike on November 21, 2002, 11:37:44 am
I'd rather have a knife missile. :devil:
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Galemp on November 21, 2002, 11:47:24 am
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Originally posted by Razor
I mean, that weapon owns. Wish it could be made. :sigh:


Er... then you'd have things likeTHIS (http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/swfs2/gift.mpeg) happening.
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Stealth on November 21, 2002, 11:54:22 am
that's awesome :D
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Redfang on November 21, 2002, 12:09:27 pm
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
 
 
Also, lightsaber would be nice to have. Though very dangerous, who knows what would happen. :p
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Ulundel on November 21, 2002, 12:26:32 pm
Just imagine...

Slums. A very dark and cloudy night. You walk down the strret and WAAAZAAAAAAA three killer chickens, err...three big, ugly "wanted dead or alive" assassins (working for CIA) jump out from the darkest corner. And then...you throw out your lightsaber... :D
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Warlock on November 21, 2002, 01:30:01 pm
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Just imagine...

Slums. A very dark and cloudy night. You walk down the strret and WAAAZAAAAAAA three killer chickens, err...three big, ugly "wanted dead or alive" assassins (working for CIA) jump out from the darkest corner. And then...you throw out your lightsaber... :D


To be followed by one of the assassins doing the Indian Jones "Shrug,...shoot the fool flipping the sword around and walk away" move

:lol:
Title: Who is the best lightsaber fighter in star wars
Post by: Gortef on November 21, 2002, 03:55:22 pm
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor


Er... then you'd have things likeTHIS (http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/swfs2/gift.mpeg) happening.


:lol::lol::lol: