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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Petrarch of the VBB on November 17, 2002, 10:46:01 am
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Well, which do you prefer, Total Annihilation, or the C&C series?
(Do not discuss TA:Kingdoms, it is a blasphemy)
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Total Annihilation OWNZ! Go Arm! :yes:
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Originally posted by Razor
Go Arm! :yes:
Bah, my excessively large horde of krogoths will vaporize you pitiful Arm rebels!!
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C&C, games w/o plot bores me.
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C&C Ownz j00!
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:(
Hard choice. I love both. But I'll have to say C&C as its the one i've loved first and it has more games/ story. And Generals is coming out. :nod:
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God! Here we go again....
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TA...
Only problem is I only have the thing for my Mac (puke puke!)
I wish I had it for PC now :(
Maybe I'll go out and get it for PC, not sure...
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Depends, do you mean certain games or the entire series?
C&C was just groundbreaking for its time in just about every possible way - it was one of those classics that had everything -and even today still has the best RTS storyline I have seen around, but its sequels did not quite live up to those standards. TA is simply an extremely well-polished and overall solid game - this is the kind of thing I really like to see, more so than originality - and of course, the mods out there for TA are incredible. Out of those two, it's hard to say really; in this day I would usually play TA due to its newer technology and gameplay (by the time it came out, RTS was firmly established), but cannot count all the hours I spent with C&C up until only a few years ago.
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C&C == C&C:RA == C&C:TS == C&C:RA2 == C&C:[any name here]
TA was great... but due to the horrable multiplayer interface, it got beat down by Starcraft and battle.net in lasting popularity. That and Blizzard ass-fed it to the Koreans and asians in general, who then made it their national sport.
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I have to say that TA OWNZ! This is due to TAUCP, the unit compilation pack, u 230 new units! Oh, and SWTA!
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TA - more units (it seems like it anyway), large battles. Need I say more. I could never get this with C&C - or any other RTS for that matter.
EDIT: Ground Control is probably the nearest I've got to something like TA.
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Originally posted by Cannikin
Bah, my excessively large horde of krogoths will vaporize you pitiful Arm rebels!!
You obviously havent heard of the Arm Gorilla. It owns the Krogoth. MWHAHAHAHA! Who's scared now?
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woa... "0wned Krogoth" doesn't really belong in the english language..
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bah, UTASP has kbots that makes the Krogoth look small. And TAFF has the largest units of any of the mods. :D
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Where can they be found? :D
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in all probability at planet annihilation.
www.planetannihilation.com
You can also find SWTA, here. Imagine it, AT-STs fighting V-Wings, in TA!
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Here is another place that I usually visit: http://www.tadesigners.com
I personally would recommend TA: Final Frontier; some of the spaceship models in this are simply amazing. :)
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Final Frontier? I never heard of it. When did it come out? Is it a MOD or a whole game?
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If you take away the latest three installments (Tiberian Sun, RA2, and Renegade) of the series, C&C owns.
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Joseph Kucan (Kane) makes an awesome Evil Leader™.
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Originally posted by Tar-Palantir
TA - more units (it seems like it anyway), large battles. Need I say more. I could never get this with C&C - or any other RTS for that matter.
mmh? there was virtually no unit limit with C&C. I tell you I've has some huge armies.
And for the 230 units... I gather 150 of them were useless? I prefer a few useful units to a lot of useless ones. And yeah Joe Kucan is a neat bad guy :D
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Originally posted by Shrike
Joseph Kucan (Kane) makes an awesome Evil Leader™.
Yes he does :nod: I love that dude's portrayal of Kane :D
And for the record, I worship the disk clusters Tiberian Sun resides on. I love the gritty sci-fi feel - you can really see the world going that way, Tiberium or not. People have complained about the lack of proper tanks (among other things), but I say titans and tick-tanks all the way! Go Mammoth mkII, w00+! And of course, you've got to love those Orcas... very Aliens dropship, I feel :nod:
I'd like to love RA2, but I just can't - the massive, cartoony buildings and vehicles plain don't do it for me. And that Yuri fellow is funnier than he is credible as a baddie. And all that psychich rubbish? Bah, I'd rather play the first RA (even though I couldn't be arsed to do that last bit in the Russian bunker). Using psychic powers just muffs up what is other wise an attempt a failry modern war sim - for me, tanks and artillery just don't sit happily alongside the likes of Yuri and his boys.
[EDIT] Almost forgot - to answer your question Petrach, C&C all the way, though you'll prolly be looking at waiting for Generals I'd imagine, and you'd hate to have to but a game that doesn't carry Diamond Geezer's :yes: of approval, I'm sure.
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there was virtually no unit limit with C&C. I tell you I've has some huge armies.
And for the 230 units... I gather 150 of them were useless? I prefer a few useful units to a lot of useless ones.
When I play C&C I never see to be able to get enough resources to build an army of similar size to those I can build up in TA.
As for units: for me there were very few TA units which I didn't use or found useless. Okay the mobile artilery were pretty useless.
I might also like TA simiply because I played it first before C&C. I am a late comer to the PC market.
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TA RULZ! It's sooooo sooooo good game... and i don't know why i like it so mutch... Mutch better than C&C series... More action... :) C&C gets boring alot of times for me...
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Is this comparing the first C&C only or the entire series as a whole? If it's the latter, then the choice is easy (TA), but if the former, it is hard to say as the comparison is between two games of different "eras." As I said, although TA is more modern and therefore more advanced with all the extras and is overall a very solid game, I was completely addicted to C&C back in 1995 and have probably logged double the time with it.
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TA fan made MODs are really good. :yes: I know an awesome site wheer they can be found. Just give me some time to check for it.
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Said site used to be www.tauniverse.com. It is well and truly down the toilet now though - if you want large collections of mods, try ultimate-strategy.com. I know the guy who wrote it. :)
Oh, and TA forever! :yes: C&C is no longer fit to be called a RTS game.
Sid.
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Originally posted by Shrike
Joseph Kucan (Kane) makes an awesome Evil Leader™.
to bad they trashed Kane and turned him into a vegetable in tib sun.. especially firestorm:mad:
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Originally posted by Bishop Gantry
to bad they trashed Kane and turned him into a vegetable in tib sun.. especially firestorm:mad:
well, he couldn't possibly be THAT alive in TS anyway... that's quite many years after tib dawn, after all...
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TA rulez for sheer potential, although the ever-important storyline was non-existant. And surprisingly enough, I just reinstalled the original C&C (Tib. Dawn) on my machine and am playing through it again in all its 320x240 resolution glory - dang, that was a good game! My main complaint was the complete lack of command/build queueing - you have to tell each soldier individually to enter an APC, or each vehicle individually to get repaired at the repair pad... but for a game made in '95, that's really nitpicking. :p
The one thing that's really bothered me about the TA community add-ons has been those recreating a space-universe, such as Star Wars, Trek, etc - it's a ground/air/sea-based game, not outer space! Yeah, with the glimpses of SW Ep. II's ground combat vehicles, a cool total conversion could be made, but please! Leave the Star Destroyers out of TA! :doubt: ;)
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I need to play through C&C yet again sometimes, if only for the nostalgia. I am an old games nut anyway. :D However, it has an extremely impressive storyline that is still unmatched in the RTS world in my opinion.
By the way, there is a bit of an alternate ending for GDI; if you destroy the enemy temple with an ion cannon, you get to see it. And then the Nod ending has to be one of the best ever, since you can choose which big landmark to lay waste to. :D
As for the space mods, all I can say is :wtf:. I have not played the SW mods, but the Final Frontier one is easily the best TA mod out there in my opinion. :nod:
On a side note, has anyone seen the Nod ending for C&C: Tiberian Sun? Could you tell me what happens there? I never got to see it because the movie always freezes right as the missile is about to launch... :mad:
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The missile launches...I forget what happens right after that...but ultimately it detonates and the Earth starts glowing a nasty color of green (seen from space).
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Ka-bump!
Originally posted by CP5670
I need to play through C&C yet again sometimes, if only for the nostalgia. I am an old games nut anyway. :D However, it has an extremely impressive storyline that is still unmatched in the RTS world in my opinion.
I just finished playing through the GDI side in Tib Dawn - that game still rocks! Ok, so some of the acting in the cutscenes is really corny, but the game simply rules!
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Originally posted by CP5670
I need to play through C&C yet again sometimes, if only for the nostalgia. I am an old games nut anyway. :D However, it has an extremely impressive storyline that is still unmatched in the RTS world in my opinion.
Agreed. Starcraft has a story as well, but it's a bit cheesier (well, some may argue it's a lot cheesier)
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Originally posted by Shrike
Agreed. Starcraft has a story as well, but it's a bit cheesier (well, some may argue it's a lot cheesier)
Didn't complete Starcraft, as I was only able to play it on base during the army - never actually went out and bought it. But from what I saw, the coolness factor was definitely increased just by having 3 completely disparte sides as opposed to 2.
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But C&C had a higher coolness factor for:
KANE!
Orcas
Ion Cannon
Real world units
:D
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Originally posted by Shrike
But C&C had a higher coolness factor for:
KANE!
Orcas
Ion Cannon
Real world units
:D
yeah, that's what of the things I liked most: having a bunch of abrams tanks going after nod obelisks or stealth tanks, mixing up real and scifi units was a great idea, and perfectly achieved.
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And Orcas.. add orcas to a game and... :D
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<-- wuvs Orcas :nod:
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Originally posted by venom2506
yeah, that's what of the things I liked most: having a bunch of abrams tanks going after nod obelisks or stealth tanks, mixing up real and scifi units was a great idea, and perfectly achieved.
Exactly! That's why I'm looking forward to C&C Generals sooo much - 3 very different sides, tech from modern day to futuristic, and minimum specs that are not to be believed! :p
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:wtf:
Who's the third race, pray tell?
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
:wtf:
Who's the third race, pray tell?
Not race - side. Americans, Chinese, and the GLA (Global Liberation Army - terrorists).
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Two thoughts occour:
1. Ah, you know what I mean ;)
2. Interesting. So basically GDI and NOD by new names, and the Chinese? Hmm... in the Tiberium series, the good guys were heavy and slow, and the bad guys were light and fast. The reverse was true in RA. I wonder what approach Generals will take - and how a third side fits in to the balance... And do you suppose the Russians are entirely happy about being superceded byt the Chinese as the new #2 world superpower? I shall have to email the Kremlin and ask...
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Actually the GLA may have replaced NOD by definition, but tech-wise, NOD has been removed from the equation. Read up on a few review, but basically, the GLA focuses on low-tech tricks and being everywhere at once, the Chinese are built around man-power, and the US is the typical highest-tech stuff.
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Time for this FREDder to visit PlanetCnC, methinks :nod:
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Actually the GLA may have replaced NOD by definition, but tech-wise, NOD has been removed from the equation. Read up on a few review, but basically, the GLA focuses on low-tech tricks and being everywhere at once, the Chinese are built around man-power, and the US is the typical highest-tech stuff.
I'm looking forward to general ( seems that there will be some gameplay improvement at last ), but I think yet one new universe is a bit too much... Westwood are making on RTS on the red alert, tiberian series and dune series already... so a 4th one?