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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stunaep on November 21, 2002, 12:08:47 am

Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stunaep on November 21, 2002, 12:08:47 am
This Christmas coming to a PC near you, and now it has a trailer! Check out general LM stuff at http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/lmarshal
and download the trailer at http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/lmarshal/trailer1.exe

Size: 27 megs
Running Time: 1:27

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God, darn it! I hate that typo.
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: mikhael on November 21, 2002, 12:39:06 am
GREAT FROLLICKING LLAMAS!

the EXE isn't being served up by the webserver, Stunaep.
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Ulundel on November 21, 2002, 01:24:26 am
Here's the working link: http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/lmarshal/trailer1.exe :)
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: NeoHunter on November 21, 2002, 05:17:13 am
I ... need ... cable... arghhh...:D
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: vyper on November 21, 2002, 05:35:22 am
Nice timing dude, I'll download it when I get to uni! :)
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stealth on November 21, 2002, 12:01:48 pm
;)
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: ZylonBane on November 21, 2002, 12:28:42 pm
Bink? BINK?  Gahhh...

Guys, a 5-meg WMV or Divx AVI looks just as good as your 28-meg frelling Bink file, and is easier to deal with as well.

As for the trailer itself... Eh. Some people here will give you a gold star for effort, but personally I fall in the "if you can't do something (intended for public display) well, you shouldn't do it at all" camp. A trailer that's less ambitious but does it well, will ultimately be more impressive than an ambitious trailer that doesn't technically pull it off.

IMHO, of course. :cool:

Notes for future trailer authors--
Don't pick background music that's been heard to death.
Try to make the pace of the music somewhat match the pace of the visuals.
Make sure your overlay text is actually legible.
Pick a consistent presentation style. Haphazardly mixing renders, captures, and stills is bad, mmkay?
Give some clue what the campaign is actually about. The whole "there's a new enemy and we're going to attack them with our beams and spaceships" thing doesn't really narrow it down much, y'know?
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stealth on November 21, 2002, 12:58:32 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
ZylonBane's opinions do not represent those of the management.
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stunaep on November 21, 2002, 01:03:34 pm
For binkish... well.. for some reason none of my divx codecs work. So I kinda had no other choice.

I'll comment the rest later.
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stealth on November 21, 2002, 01:04:10 pm
check internal forum Stunaep
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Fineus on November 21, 2002, 01:05:33 pm
I'll let you know once I have the movie...
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stealth on November 21, 2002, 01:08:50 pm
on DSL?  that should be around 2 minutes ;)  

actually i'm suprised.  on T1 i downloaded this at like 300 kbps MAX...  suprising, usually when i download stuff from gamespy it's over 1 mbps
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Fineus on November 21, 2002, 01:13:00 pm
Not so easy - I'm downloading other stuff at the same time. Plus I think dad's on the network in the other room... ho hum. I've got it now.

Looks pretty nice, a bit large considering the amount of still images but it's still a nice movie. What music is being played in it? I've heard it before I think... but can't place it...
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stunaep on November 21, 2002, 01:28:35 pm
That be Hans Zimmer's Roll Tide from Crimson Tide. I love Hans Zimmer (no, not like that).

Now to Zylons uberconstructive critisism:

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Don't pick background music that's been heard to death.

Thunder doesn't seem to have heard it to death :D

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Try to make the pace of the music somewhat match the pace of the visuals.


Point taken. Gotta work on that some more.
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Make sure your overlay text is actually legible.

Once again, you have a point here. I heard from other persons as well, and I am wayyy seriously looking into this.

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Pick a consistent presentation style. Haphazardly mixing renders, captures, and stills is bad, mmkay?

Captures? It had no captures. It only had renders and screens. Anyway, I kinda figured that style that way. Look a bit more into it, I'm sure you'll see the method behind my madness. :p
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Give some clue what the campaign is actually about. The whole "there's a new enemy and we're going to attack them with our beams and spaceships" thing doesn't really narrow it down much, y'know?


Well, looking at the story, there isn't really much that I can reveal without spoiling one or more things I want to keep unspoiled.
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: ZylonBane on November 21, 2002, 02:36:23 pm
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Originally posted by Stunaep
That be Hans Zimmer's Roll Tide from Crimson Tide. I love Hans Zimmer (no, not like that).Thunder doesn't seem to have heard it to death
It sounded really familiar to me. Which is weird, since I've never seen Crimson Tide. I thought it was B5 music actually. Hrm.  
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Captures? It had no captures. It only had renders and screens.
Ah, I'd mistaken the dogfight bit near the start for in-game footage. :yes:
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Well, looking at the story, there isn't really much that I can reveal without spoiling one or more things I want to keep unspoiled.
Ah c'mon, there's got to be something that will give people some sense of the "flavor" of the campaign. Although I admit that the text in the trailer was so obfuscated, it really didn't come together in my head while watching it. This part-- "Your Loyalties... (10-second break) Will Be... (20-second break) Rocked" did NOT work. If you're going to intercut words of a single sentence, there really shouldn't be more than a 1-2 second interruption.

Maybe I'm just spoiled by the BWO and MT trailers. :devil:

Anyway, getting back to the music sync issue, here's a quick little something I knocked up. Only ~1.3M (yes, the video sucks)--

http://home.att.net/~clay.h/fs2/trailer1alt.avi
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Ulundel on November 21, 2002, 02:42:55 pm
Pretty good Z :yes:
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stealth on November 21, 2002, 03:07:40 pm
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Looks pretty nice, a bit large considering the amount of still images


the file size is due to the compression... not the amount of images
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stunaep on November 21, 2002, 03:15:27 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
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Ah, I'd mistaken the dogfight bit near the start for in-game footage. :yes:
 

And this has to be the best comment I ever had my renders achieve!

Thank you.
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: ZylonBane on November 21, 2002, 03:17:17 pm
/me trouts Stealth

Thunder is referring (indirectly) to the concept of delta compression, where the codec only saves data for the parts of the image that have changed between frames. Codecs that support delta compression encode still frames very efficiently.
Title: BEHOLD! The Trailer for LM3 has Arrived!
Post by: Stealth on November 21, 2002, 03:33:57 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
/me trouts Stealth

Thunder is referring (indirectly) to the concept of delta compression, where the codec only saves data for the parts of the image that have changed between frames. Codecs that support delta compression encode still frames very efficiently.


i knew that... :D :D :D :D :D

when he said
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...a bit large considering the amount of still images but it's still a nice movie.


i didn't see the "still"... i just saw "a bit large considering the amount of images"...

...i dunno, he didn't say it right! ;)