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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: mikhael on December 01, 2002, 07:34:28 pm
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A) not having a proper joystick and throttle rig (RIP my Thrustmaster HOTAS setup)
B) Ulysses AKA The Papier-Mache fighter. :D
I just started playing again, with a borrowed Logitech cheapass stick and my Nostromo Speedpad. Its not substitute for a proper HOTAS setup. :(
I don't remember Freespace missions being so dark, either. I flew against a Shivan Comm Node at Ross128 in one of the mission simulations and couldn't see the thing except when other ships were jumping in. Probably more realistic, but damn is it hard to shoot down Shivans in the dark. :D
It might be time to break out the soldering iron and see what I can do with my old stick and throttle and make them work. Until i have a job again, a HOTAS/Cougar setup is going to be a long way off.
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I use a two-button flightstick for FS you know.
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Originally posted by Shrike
I use a two-button flightstick for FS you know.
How can you dignify that with the word "flightstick"? :D
I'm used to have no less than six hats, two trigger positions, a rocker, five axes, and seven buttons to spare.
How people play stick games using the keyboard instead of a throttle is beyond me. I lack that kind of skill.
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Meh I use a Microsoft Sidewinder pad.. yeah it doesn't make me the best pilot, but I can do barrel rolls like no bodies bussiness :D
I have a really old Gravis Black Hawk, but it only work with Windos 95 and lower (:lol: ) and it sucks so much I just stuck with the pad.. :p
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A joystick that doesn't work with anything after 95? Can't you at least set it up as a 2 or 3 axis 4 button stick?
I could never play with a pad. how do you fit all your controls on those six buttons?
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I use an optical mouse and my keyboard. I can stop on a dime with my mouse, and I can do stuff with my keyboard so fast it isn't funny.
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Originally posted by Hades
I use an optical mouse and my keyboard. I can stop on a dime with my mouse, and I can do stuff with my keyboard so fast it isn't funny.
All Hail the Keyborad Ninja!
I'm using a combo of an old, logitech wingman extreme digital 3d, and keyboard. It lets me do smooth, fluid motions(turns a battle into art).
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If you're flying something like an Ursa, you can turn up the mouse sensativity, making it twice as maneuverable. hence, you can dogfight with an Ursa. Those cannons packs a real punch.
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I could never play with a pad. how do you fit all your controls on those six buttons?
I got 9... :)
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I could never play with a pad either.
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Logitech Wingman Extreme over here, 4 hats (maybe 8 if you set it up right, but im not that talented), 6 buttons + trigger, 3 axis, and a throttle (which i haven't figured out how to use with FS2). Good stick, although my secondary weapons button is wearing out, probably from all the extensive online dogfighting i used to do in the good ole erin.
Quite an improvement over the 2 button stick i used to use (rock one Shrike); it's handle broke one day while i was in the middle of a dogfight, plastic rod snapped inside the base and i couldn't find a good way to fix it. I think I was actually better with that stick than I am with this one, I certainly shot things down faster.
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I like HOTAS setups myself, and don't like that new rotating stick rudder thing that's become popular. My joysticks are:
Gravis Phoenix. (Mostly retired due to some nonfunctional buttons.) 24 buttons, 2-axis stick, throttle and rudder. One button can be setup as a function toggle so all the other buttons can have 2 seperate functions. Lightweight, one piece, old as heck, and very hard to replace.
Saitek X45. Probably looks more like the old Thrustmaster joystick +throttle unit then most these days. (Sorry, no foot pedals. ;) )Seperate stick and throttle units, 8 buttons, 4 hats, (one able to work as a mouse) rudder rocker switch, 2 analog dials, 1 3 position switch, 3 position mode switch, (function toggle) and the pinky trigger (one of the 8 buttons) can be setup as a second function toggle. That means each button/hat switch direction/axis can have up to 6 functions. Nice, if you've got lots of desk space or a lap desk. :) It's about as wide and deep as a keyboard. The missile button safety cover can be annoying, but it's easily removed. And I didn't have to make a special config for FS2. (Though I did make one for other games, including D3 since I wanted to try some advanced things with it.)
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Originally posted by LtNarol
and a throttle (which i haven't figured out how to use with FS2).
Set it to the relative throttle in FS2's control config, not the absolute throttle.
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How people play stick games using the keyboard instead of a throttle is beyond me. I lack that kind of skill.
I think the exact opposite. I just can not play FS with a joystick. Can't even hit a Sathanas while playing with a joystick. :)
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Originally posted by mikhael
How people play stick games using the keyboard instead of a throttle is beyond me. I lack that kind of skill.
BWAHAHAHA!!! Ph34r me, for I use the ultimate controller - DA M0uZ3
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i went through the n00b keyboard phase
then i used a wingman force feedback for a while (by the way, this joystick actually came with the full version of FS1 in the box :) )
and for the last two years i've used a keyboard
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Jesus.. I have a hard enough time with FPS using keyboard, how do you fly with the keyboard?
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it takes practice to learn to fly in FS2 with a keyboard
it takes skill to learn to fly and be good at it KT
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ahhh. Thanks for the clear up Stealth. :nod:
Just in case.. it takes practice to fly with a pad.. and it takes skill to fly with a pad and be good.
I'm not talkin' tampons here either.
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i don't see how anyone can fly with a pad, but i know i could beat you in a dogfight with a keyboard, joystick, or yes... even a pad
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You can have my joystick when you pry it from my cold dead hand! I do ok with my Wingman Extream digital... I do use the keyboard for thrust/afterburners but mostly i use VOICE!!! ahahahhaahahahaahha..
*comm*all*destroy*
"Yes sir engaging your target."
:cool:
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
You can have my joystick when you pry it from my cold dead hand! I do ok with my Wingman Extream digital... I do use the keyboard for thrust/afterburners but mostly i use VOICE!!! ahahahhaahahahaahha..
*comm*all*destroy*
"Yes sir engaging your target."
:cool:
you use a wingman... good man :) :D
you use "voice"? explain
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Well I use Logitech Extreme digital, but I use the windows drivers,as whenever I install the ones that came with the stick, it stops my sound card working. also, it's plugged into the USB, and I dont use the rudder, cos its FUBARed, windows 98 does not do joysticks.
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I told you guys 2 months ago about game commander and how I programmed it for FS2 (hell no one even commented on my first render)... *Hides in corner* "Centrurions...Destroy"
"By your command" Destroys everyone...
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Man, voice command combined with a HOTAS setup and I'd be in heaven! :D
I almost never use the Comm controls (and there are some really advanced wingman commands, more than any other space combat game) but they take up buttons used by other things, or require me to keep looking up in the upper right hand corner.
If I could just give voice commands... wow. I'd be all over that. "Alpha. Disable my Target."
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I'm MUCH too busy dogfighting (rt hand on joystick/ lf hand on throttle) to be messing around with comms and other silliness. It's much easier to give battle orders like for real over the radio than punching keys. (Though I have to be careful NOT to talk unless I'm giving orders...F**k often gets confused for "Jump!" and them my team goes bye bye and I'm all alone..F**K!!!!! :lol:
"copy that sir, we're outta here..."
"NO!!!"
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I wish I had my Panther DX back... :( :(
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i don't see how anyone can fly with a pad, but i know i could beat you in a dogfight with a keyboard, joystick, or yes... even a pad
You using a pad? Naw.. i've played with them regularly for too long. Sticks and Keys ya, not pads though.
I must say, going from two hands to on one on the pad to one on the keyboard is cumbersome at best.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
You using a pad? Naw.. i've played with them regularly for too long. Sticks and Keys ya, not pads though.
I must say, going from two hands to on one on the pad to one on the keyboard is cumbersome at best.
i use 100% keyboard... no pad, joystick, etc.
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I'm a "Board Warrior" also
I beat FS1 and FS2 using only the keyboard!
Cor
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Yes I know stealth, but you were dropping a line speaking of the amount of controlling variety you couldbe me in a dogfight with... hence the response.
:rolleyes:
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Personally, I sit on the fence. Joystick for flight, guns, targeting and other important functions (countermeasures!:D), with the keyboard handling speed, comm and power levels.
Me use Saitek Cyborg 3D Digital. Lovely piece of kit. Trigger, 9 button, 3 of which are thumb triggers, HAT (which acts like 4 buttons), trottle and rudder as stick twist.
However, I can't use the last two: Throttle dosn't do anything, and having the Rudder enabled causes my craft to be in a permant barrel roll.
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i just use a logitech wingman extreme force digital (that's what it's called, really!) with shooting and weapons controls on the stick. everything else is on my keyboard, inlcuing targeting. in most dogfights i just set auto match and shoot away! comm works fine by the board, but voice command would be great.
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I use an MS Sidewinder with Force Feedback, which is nice... although for some reason the throttle control doesnt agree with freespace so i just hold A.... gets me from a to b. Plus who needs a constant throttle setting, if you are in combat you should be using the boost a lot.
i tried the mouse once but it sucked big time, too hard to turn in a full circle.
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Logitech Extreme yaddy yadda yadda...
I use the hat for view points... always check your six. After that I use z axis and the 5 buttons on the stick itself, not the base. Basically my fire controls: primary, secondary, changing, doubling, and countermeasures. It's my fire controls. After that my left hand flies around on my keyboard. Most often it's around tab and q.
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we all use Logitech
good for us :yes: :)
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Believe me, you can't do it right without a Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner ! ;)
I wish TM could at last release a decent driver for it ...
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I don't believe you.
J'utilise le Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital 3D aussi. Hat switch for shield augment control, and other remappings done so long ago I forget what the originals were. Keyboard heavily remapped to place all the most commonly used functions directly under my fingertips when the hand is sitting in a comfortable position over the keyboard.
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This is the Saitek X45:
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/saitekusa_1713_2258216)
http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/x45digjoyand.html
The Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner:
(http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/images/pc_afterburnerdetach.gif)
http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/lookproduct.php3?productid=70&skin=Joysticks
The Afterburner has one nice thing the X45 doesn't: The ability to attach the throttle unit to the stick base. On the other hand, the X45 has 4 8-way hat switches. (One of which is a bit oddly designed for a hat switch, but is useful in emulating a mouse.)
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Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
I don't believe you.
J'utilise le Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital 3D aussi. Hat switch for shield augment control, and other remappings done so long ago I forget what the originals were. Keyboard heavily remapped to place all the most commonly used functions directly under my fingertips when the hand is sitting in a comfortable position over the keyboard.
Or so. ;)
EdrickV:
It actually disturbes me to have the stick and throttle too close to each other.
For flight sims more functionality is really an asset.
I also liked the Saitek Cyborg 3D but it broke down too soon.
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Originally posted by EdrickV
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/saitekusa_1713_2258216)(http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/images/pc_afterburnerdetach.gif)
Please. Both of those cringe before the almighty power of the HOTAS/Cougar:
(http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/images/hotas.gif)
Its what the Saitek wants to be. Its all metal and weighs in at 13lbs total. Its got heavy duty industrial grade springs for a damned tight throw and a solid trigger.
The "Top Gun" shouldn't even bear the proud Thrustmaster name. Its just some crappy Guillemot POS that they tarted up and paraded out wearing a Thrustmaster logo.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Its what the Saitek wants to be. Its all metal and weighs in at 13lbs total. Its got heavy duty industrial grade springs for a damned tight throw and a solid trigger.
Save for 2 things, the Cougar looks very much like the X45.
1. HOTAS Cougar (PC) - $299.99, X45 Digital Joystick and Throttle $79.95
2. The Cougar is likely a lot heavier (not a benefit to me) and has that little plaque on it.
I'm not sure, but it looks like the Cougar may not be as programmable as the X45 is. Between the 3 way mode select and pinkie shift trigger, the other buttons, axis, and hat switches can have up to 6 different functions. (Or sets of functions for hat switches.)
Since I use my joystick in my lap (nowhere to move the keyboard to without depriving me of it's use) moving the throttle unit and stick apart hasn't been a consideration but it looks like it has a long cord to connect the two. (Mine has still got it's twisty tie on.)
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I just ordered the perfect joystick, to replace the one I broke earlier this year. Same model--the Panther XL.
(http://home.austin.rr.com/aresella/panther.jpg)
I can't imagine playing Freespace with anything else, though I've been using the keyboard for model testing.
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Well,
Sidewinder Pro for a Joystick (Real vibrations anybody)
WITH
Strategic Commander (for thrust and not just) (30 different Key combinations)
AND
FREEWARE voice commander in
http://clans.gameclubcentral.com/shoot/
(works too!)
---Just copy and edited an existing profile. Wordpad will do. Opens those files just fine. Just make sure that you dont accidently save it as a txt--
Keep shootin!
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Originally posted by EdrickV
Save for 2 things, the Cougar looks very much like the X45.
The Saitek ripped off the design layout from a long line of Thrustmaster (and to be fair C.H. Products) sticks.
1. HOTAS Cougar (PC) - $299.99, X45 Digital Joystick and Throttle $79.95
2. The Cougar is likely a lot heavier (not a benefit to me) and has that little plaque on it.
Yes. The HOTAS/Cougar is indeed the more expensive stick. It also does not suffer from the shoddy construction of Saitek sticks. Saitek springs have to be replaced about every six months, and the sticks wear out after a year--unless they've updated their quality control. You'll have proper Thrustmaster Stick for near a decade (8yrs for one of mine, 7 for the other). The Cougar is 13lbs. Its very heavy, being made entirely of... well, METAL. I prefer a heavy stick. They tend to stay in place better.
What difference does the plaque make?
I'm not sure, but it looks like the Cougar may not be as programmable as the X45 is. Between the 3 way mode select and pinkie shift trigger, the other buttons, axis, and hat switches can have up to 6 different functions. (Or sets of functions for hat switches.)
Since I use my joystick in my lap (nowhere to move the keyboard to without depriving me of it's use) moving the throttle unit and stick apart hasn't been a consideration but it looks like it has a long cord to connect the two. (Mine has still got it's twisty tie on.)
There is no stick as programmable as a Thrustmaster. If you look at it from a pure button pushing point of view, the Cougar has a shifter under the right pinky, and a three position switch on the throttle. Given the number of OTHER buttons on the Cougar, this gives you 336 distinct programmable combinations. Then consider that the Cougar's programming setup ridiculously powerful.
Not only can you create virtual buttons (IE, while hat1 is UP and the Afterburner is DOWN, register Virtual Button X), you can make each programmable "button" can cycle through lists of commands, assign a command for button presses and other commands for button releases (and in the case of the hats, return-to-center events). You can program each axis (there are 5 on the stick) individually, to give up/down events, ramp up events (a nuetral value and then several values spaced across the throw to maximum) or leave them analog. You can also set up logical functionality. For example, you can set your stick to remember if you've triggered "Gear Down", and then will handle a "flaps down" event properly.
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Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
Set it to the relative throttle in FS2's control config, not the absolute throttle.
I had a rather wierd experience with that. I set it to relative throttle, and it worked backword. One of the wierder experiences of my gaming carreer.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I had a rather wierd experience with that. I set it to relative throttle, and it worked backword. One of the wierder experiences of my gaming carreer.
did the same for me, thats what the Invert button if for.
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Yeah voice is cool... Like in a dogfight if I see something and fight like mad to get my gunsight on the traget even just for an instant (like a dragon or something) I can say "target" and it is targeted (Muhaha) and if I say "Match" (you get it)... ect ect... Oh better yet If I can't see a target in the distance clearly and still ambusy I quickly "target" it and say "view from target". then I can get a quick looksee around it and the area it's in (sneaky huh?) :lol:
"Command, there isn't ONE Raksaha in the asteroid field, it's a whole freaking ARMADA!!!"
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Looks at all the decent joysticks people have then cries over scabby piece of equipment languishing in the corner of the desk. Saitek SP550, 2 triggers, 6 buttons for targeting, countermeasures and afterburner, a throttle and a hatswitch that doesnt seem to like being remapped....oh i almost forgot the 'added extra' THE DAMN ANNOYING SQUEEK everytime you move it! :mad: *sigh* thats what you get if you choose price over quality...:(
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ITS ALIVE!
By sheer geek willpower, application of a soldering iron, and several spare parts pulled out of my spare stick and throttle, MY HOTAS/F16-FLCS and F16/TQS THROTTLES LIVE A LITTLE WHILE LONGER! I 0WN SHIVANS AGAIN! ;)
I seem to have lost about 50% of the dive throw on the stick though. I might be able to adjust for that if I can't find the cause of the failure.
All that's important is that I have proper controls again, that may be able to tide me over until I can get a HOTAS/Cougar. :D
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i broken 2 joystiks durring my fs2 time :D
logitech wingam extreme (the OLD one)
and logitech wingman intrceptor
and since all the new joystiks sucked and i couldnt play with em i got myself brand old m$ 3d pro wich is about to fall appart soon due to exessive mw4 and fs2 singe player using :D
did i mention i never used the throtle on my sticks ? never used rolling too :D just for movement fire 1 and fire2 nothing more :nod:
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Originally posted by mikhael
A) not having a proper joystick and throttle rig (RIP my Thrustmaster HOTAS setup)
It might be time to break out the soldering iron and see what I can do with my old stick and throttle and make them work. Until i have a job again, a HOTAS/Cougar setup is going to be a long way off.
My thrustmaster Top Gun 2 did that... the wires inside of the unit were glued too tight and they kept stretching while increasing throtle...
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Are there any other keyboard-only people here? The default key mappings suck, but keyboard is the way to go for me. :nod:
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Keyboard Only?!?! HOW do you aim?
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Originally posted by Fetty
i broken 2 joystiks durring my fs2 time :D
logitech wingam extreme (the OLD one)
and logitech wingman intrceptor
and since all the new joystiks sucked and i couldnt play with em i got myself brand old m$ 3d pro wich is about to fall appart soon due to exessive mw4 and fs2 singe player using :D
did i mention i never used the throtle on my sticks ? never used rolling too :D just for movement fire 1 and fire2 nothing more :nod:
Hah! My joystick has laster about 8 years!
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Originally posted by mikhael
The Saitek ripped off the design layout from a long line of Thrustmaster (and to be fair C.H. Products) sticks.
just to say the riginal thrustmaster flightstick was a direct ripp off the real F16 stick, so there's nothing terribly great in having such a design. Hail the General Dynamics engineers ;)
I have a sidewinder precision pro2, which is good but could be so much better...
used to play on a sidewider gamepad ( the first one ), wasn't that bad.
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Originally posted by venom2506
just to say the riginal thrustmaster flightstick was a direct ripp off the real F16 stick...
Um no, it was a licensed design. That quite different from a "rip off".
Further, that's not the "original" Thrustmaster, either. The original Thrustmaster stick was a sort of stylized Korean conflict era stick, and the throttle was this weird organic thing. The F16-TQS throttle is, naturally, also a design licensed from the real F16. I think, however, that you will find that the button layout, even on the F16 line of products is very different than on the "real thing". They were only after the look of the stick, not the buttons.
When I say that the Saitek was ripped off from the Thrustmaster, however, I'm not talking about the physical design, so much as I am talking about the switches and their layout. They replaced the three position slider with a three position rocker, and they got rid of the Radio Frequency hat in favor of another rocker (arguably a better design for a cheap game stick). Unfortunately, they didn't ripoff the things that made Thrustmaster products such good sticks (back then. Top Gun sticks and the like are NOT Thrustmaster products). Rather than using solid springs, Saitek opted for cheap ass, lightweight springs through all of their designs. This lowered the production costs, but translated directly into more stick failures (The Cyborg line is particularly notorious. The springs in the trigger and the base of the stick seldom last out an entire year). These cheaper springs give the Saitek a lighter touch, which makes the sticks jittery. Also, they used poor quality potentiometers (something Thrustmaster was also guilty of later in the F22-Pro stick. Thrustmaster instituted a replacement program. Saitek did not.). Finally Saitek failed to ripoff the two most important things about Thrustmaster HOTAS products: compatibility and programmability.
F16-FLCS, F16-TQS, F22-Pro and all other pre-Guillemot Thrustmaster gear work on DOS, Win3.x, Win9x, WinNT, Win2k, WinXP, and Linux/Unix without a special driver anywhere. All you needed was a gameport and a keyboard port.
On the programmability side, Thrustmaster HOTAS products are smarter than any other product out there--read the longwinded post I made further back about them. Saitek products are very limited.
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Originally posted by CP5670
Are there any other keyboard-only people here? The default key mappings suck, but keyboard is the way to go for me. :nod:
Im withca :D
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Originally posted by mikhael
F16-FLCS, F16-TQS, F22-Pro and all other pre-Guillemot Thrustmaster gear work on DOS, Win3.x, Win9x, WinNT, Win2k, WinXP, and Linux/Unix without a special driver anywhere. All you needed was a gameport and a keyboard port.
you gotta be josking, the FLCS was a nightmare to run under DOS. Btw, when I talk about original thrustmaster, you must read, in my weird language , "FLCS", coz it's the one that made thrust famous.
on a side note, it is funny to think that whenever you reply to me, there's often enough words to fill a pocket book page :D
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Hah! My joystick has laster about 8 years!
i bought my wingman extreme in 1994 or 95 but i realy was a fs2 adict and i guess i was just to strong for those stiks :D
(and the interceptor was very poorly asembled)
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Originally posted by venom2506
you gotta be josking, the FLCS was a nightmare to run under DOS. Btw, when I talk about original thrustmaster, you must read, in my weird language , "FLCS", coz it's the one that made thrust famous.
The FLCS is easy under DOS. so long as your sound card driver is loaded (you gotta do that, so that you have access to SOUND and the GAMEPORT ;)), all you do is plug it in, et voila! it works. The FLCS may have been what made Thrustmaster famous over in Europe, but they had a series of successful sticks for years before it, many of which were copied by (or if truth be told, copied FROM) CH Products.
on a side note, it is funny to think that whenever you reply to me, there's often enough words to fill a pocket book page :D
That's because you are actually worth the effort of a complete reply. ;)
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*pats his Wingman Strike Force 3D*
This thing freakin RULES! :)
(http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/09/78/55/00/0009785500877_500X500.jpg)
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Keyboard+Mouse here and a Lucifer to my credit about...5 minutes ago. Played everything from MW4 to Echelon to Shriking in T2 with this setup. It's second-nature, once ya feel out a good keyboard setup.
Although, I wouldn't mind a good JS. Curse those fighters that -must- fly high up and keep looping. You know the ones. Your mouse flys off the pad trying to catch up, and you have to pick it up and put it back down center again.
One question about the JS, though:How do you suggest "rolling" the craft with a JS? Twisting the handle or pushing left/right?
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Originally posted by Wesmunly
Keyboard+Mouse here and a Lucifer to my credit about...5 minutes ago. Played everything from MW4 to Echelon to Shriking in T2 with this setup. It's second-nature, once ya feel out a good keyboard setup.
Although, I wouldn't mind a good JS. Curse those fighters that -must- fly high up and keep looping. You know the ones. Your mouse flys off the pad trying to catch up, and you have to pick it up and put it back down center again.
One question about the JS, though:How do you suggest "rolling" the craft with a JS? Twisting the handle or pushing left/right?
Rudder axis.
And unfortunately, my jury rigged repairs didn't hold. It was good to play with a real stick again whilst it lasted.
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I beated FS1 and FS2 by keyboard only. I have no problems doing dogfighting and regulating my shield/gun/engine energy and sometimes giving commands at once. wel almost at once.
And i do not care about my wingmen i usualy kill the whole damn shivan fleet i am fighitn against by my self.:)
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What is the point of force feedback? Just shake yourself around manually, like star Trek.
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Originally posted by Wesmunly
One question about the JS, though:How do you suggest "rolling" the craft with a JS? Twisting the handle or pushing left/right?
Twist. :) Once you get a stick that has twisting ability, you won't go back.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
What is the point of force feedback? Just shake yourself around manually, like star Trek.
Bah, that takes effort. ;)
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I use a MS Force Feedback Pro. It shook so hard that it snapped the flimsy little power connector in the joystick itself and I had to use my dad's one. I still prefer the look of these HOTAS sets, especially the Saitek and the Cougar, but I have no money, so I will probably never see one.
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
Twist. :) Once you get a stick that has twisting ability, you won't go back.
I can't stand joystick twists. I want the stick to be perfectly rigid on the Z-axis, thank you very much. If I need a "twist" axis, any proper HOTAS setup has at least one antenna knob and one range knob and spare axis left over for rudders.
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Originally posted by <<ERROR>>
I use a MS Force Feedback Pro. It shook so hard that it snapped the flimsy little power connector in the joystick itself and I had to use my dad's one.
:lol: :D
Seriously though, you can dial that down ya know. Just go into your joystick control panel and tweak with the settings there.
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It killed itself while the PC was starting up - every time I turn on the PC (and to a lesser extent, turn it off), the joystick spasms. One day, it spasmed a little too hard, hit the wall of the computer cupboard and snapped the power connector.
In game, I have a fairly tight grip on it, so it shakes me more than the base, but I get this nagging feeling that its days are numbered. When that happens, not only is there no FF, but there will be no return to centre, either (it is done electronically with the FF motors).
Shame really, as I like getting my watch shaken off whilst strafing a Sharlin.
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ROFL!
Sorry, but everytime I try to imagine that happening, I can't keep from laughing. :p
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
ROFL!
Sorry, but everytime I try to imagine that happening, I can't keep from laughing. :p
no kidding i can't see the joystick hiting the cupboard. i have a microsoft force feedback2 and it doesn't shake that much even on its highest setting
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Maybe M$ turned the power down for the FF2. I wouldn't get one anyway, because I hate USB devices as they suck up too many valuable CPU cycles.
Anyway, in the beginning of its life it visibly lifted a portion of the base off the surface and you would hear a big CLONK! . It mellowed out later in life, but the initial spastic fits signed its death warrant. I have been more careful with the new joystick, wedging it tightly between a hefty 17in monitor and the side of the cupboard. It still works, but the power connector feels a bit flaky and it very rarely (twice a year) needs straightening.
[EDIT] I like things that shake you about a lot. I bought this thing called an 'Interactor' that is basically a very large subwoofer unit in a plastic backpack. It super-enhances the bass of things and when it is on its middle power setting, I can feel it resonating in my very bones! Chilling. [/EDIT]