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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dark_4ce on December 16, 2002, 11:56:48 am
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Since THE TWO TOWERS is soon upon us, I thought a little poll to see what species anyone would want to be if they had a chance to live in the Tolkien world?
Me? Elf... Live long, fight hard, get hot chicks, act casual... :D
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elf. hot chicks, hot chicks, hot chicks, magical powers and hot chicks. :D
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You didn't list Maiar or Valar, so I can't respond. ;)
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
elf. hot chicks, hot chicks, hot chicks, magical powers and hot chicks. :D
no magical powers for elves in Middle Earth, sorry ;) magical items at best.
I wouldn't be an orc, coz Tolkien orcs are gay ( warhammer or warcraft orcs on the other hand... ). I'd be a human, coz I don't wanna live in a blue, eerie forest :p
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An amoeba.
Amoebas...Rock Thankyouverymuch
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Warcraft Orcs=Hell Yeah
MiddleEarth Orcs=Beaten With an Ugly Stick
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Elves (aside from the maiar) as the MOST magical race on earth (lets see WHO HEALS frodo again??? Umm let think, ELROND... I have a question? have ANY of you read the Simirillian??? It explains everyting about Middle Earth and is 10 times better than the threemovies (yeah lets make one BIG epic) cause it has like 10 Generations of Elves fighting the real bas ass MELKOR (Sauron was a twit who got seduced by him) Now that was a badass!
Turin Deathslaker faced the mother of all black dragons BY HIMSELF! (Now that's balls)... *watch out for Tiara Turin* ;)
I can't begin to list all the typesof magic taught to elves and then the men of Numeror (ancestors of Gondor)...
find out for your self..
ICE (Iron Crown Enterprises) made an adaptaion of Middle Earth Role-Playing and those books come THE CLOSEST I've seen to accurately describing the Looks,abilities,and goodies possesed by the denizens... I often used it as canon for my D&D games (converting the stats and abilities of course) straight up Middle Earth people wipe the floor with anyone! Had to tone them down a bit ;7 To make it fair and all...
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A human wizard with a big, 1_337 hammer! :D
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
Elves (aside from the maiar) as the MOST magical race on earth (lets see WHO HEALS frodo again??? Umm let think, ELROND... I have a question?
yes, one: how come you associate healing with magic? we don't see Elrond healing Frodon. And as I've said i've read many tolkien books, and if indeed magic is linked a lot to elves, this magic only appears through magical items ( galadriel mirror, magic weapons etc ). They wouldn't have been tricked by Sauron otherwise, I suppose. There's no human magician, etc. Only magicians you'll find are the istari, Sauron, and that's all the maiar left on middle earth I think. I don't know about the Balrogs, anyway, in all the tolkien books I've read, I've never see anybody else than Gandalf and saruman cast a spell. Oh, I grant magical habilities to Tom Bombadil too.
Voila. Oh: I could be very wrong, I'm far from knowing everything about tolkien, but as far as I'm concerned, all the OFFICIAL writtings I know proves me right on that point. Not that t really matters, after all, now that I think of it. The only real point is:
Tolkien orcs are gay! back to my wharammer army, the GutReapa's :D
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When will people realise that the Lord of the Rings films are just ways to exploit the gullible and weak minded, forcing them to but vast amounts of crap.
But then, what film isn't.
Look at Die Another Day, nothing more than a two hour advert for Aston Martin and Nokia.
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i wana be a vorlon *sniff*
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But what a hell of a commercial! :D
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
When will people realise that the Lord of the Rings films are just ways to exploit the gullible and weak minded, forcing them to but vast amounts of crap.
But then, what film isn't.
Look at Die Another Day, nothing more than a two hour advert for Aston Martin and Nokia.
oh man! I thought they were making movies to give money to the poor!!!! hargh my faith in our kind world is ruined!!!!
you know videogames are the same, coca cola is the same, the keyboard you type in and the pants you're in are the same? coz you don't need all that to live, do you? :p
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Don't get me started on commercialism, or we'll be here until christmas, 2367.
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Whats so bad about commercialism anyway? I'm hoping HEAVILY on it for my future, cause my career depends on it! I make movies, people go and watch, I get money. I'm happy. :D Anyway, if it wasn't fo commercialization, no of us would be on the internet! So long live the money system and long live the movies! :D
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:cough: nike :cough:
:cough: slave labour :cough:
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Originally posted by venom2506
oh man! I thought they were making movies to give money to the poor!!!! hargh my faith in our kind world is ruined!!!!
you know videogames are the same, coca cola is the same, the keyboard you type in and the pants you're in are the same? coz you don't need all that to live, do you? :p
Without these pants, i'd be cold, catch hypothermia and die, so yes i do need them to live!
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I am an elven warrior of the house of Fingolfin. Blue and silver all the way, baby!
The Silmarilion is a simply breathtaking piece of work. All shall read it and dispair!
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Originally posted by venom2506
yes, one: how come you associate healing with magic? we don't see Elrond healing Frodon. And as I've said i've read many tolkien books, and if indeed magic is linked a lot to elves, this magic only appears through magical items ( galadriel mirror, magic weapons etc ). They wouldn't have been tricked by Sauron otherwise, I suppose. There's no human magician, etc. Only magicians you'll find are the istari, Sauron, and that's all the maiar left on middle earth I think. I don't know about the Balrogs, anyway, in all the tolkien books I've read, I've never see anybody else than Gandalf and saruman cast a spell. Oh, I grant magical habilities to Tom Bombadil too.
Voila. Oh: I could be very wrong, I'm far from knowing everything about tolkien, but as far as I'm concerned, all the OFFICIAL writtings I know proves me right on that point. Not that t really matters, after all, now that I think of it. The only real point is:
Tolkien orcs are gay! back to my wharammer army, the GutReapa's :D
Venom is 100% correct in every way on this one.
it should be said that the Balrogs are Maiar. That doesn't imply they had magical abilities, though.
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In Tolkien's world, "magic" seems to be chiefly about domination over the will of others, and elemental forces such as the weather (see Saruman and Caradhras), nature (see Radagast) and of course Sauron's control over Orodruin.
When Glorfindel/Arwen (depending on whether you read it or watched it) summoned the flood waters of the Bruinen, he/she calls to Uinen, who is of course one of the sea god Ulmo's *****es (so that was all about calling for help fomr the Valar, which is the other main "magical" aspect of the elves)
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All my game resources Quote J.R.R. officially from the books/interviews/and discussions with his son christopher (who made a TONof money BTW)...
Here's that human you saw for like 5 seconds in the animation but might be in the third movie next year.
I never knew he was a POWERFUL spellcaster...
(http://photo.starblvd.net/Star_Dragon/2-4-1-1041178737?m=0&pg=1&ro=3&co=0)
There are hundreds of examples like this and FYI... Q.)If the elves made magical items, Why couldn't anyone in Middle Earth? A.) Only spellcasters could imbue an object to simulate a spell (weapons, tools, armor, ect...)... And BTW the ISTARI (Gandalf and the other 4) NEVER gave anything to anyone!!! The Valar god of magic taught the elves, and also was in their creation. They live, eat and breath MAGIC... D&D elves are retarded next to their Middle Earth "cousins" :lol:
Almost all the RingWraiths were powerful people [HUMANS] (with magical skills) before getting recruited by Sauron. The head nazgul also was a "student" for decades becomming as great a wizard as he was a wrrior cause Sauron wanted powerful lieutennants... Not wimps...
Oh yeah and that chick Galadriel (the one that needs to EAT SOMETHING!) ;) at that time she was the greatest living elven spellcaster , even more powerful than Elrond.
Speaking of Elrond...HE cast that enchanmtent that if an evil creature tried to set foot in Rivendale, the very waters would rise up and drown them... Gandalf added the effect of teh white horses though cause he felt like rubbing itin to the Ringwraiths...
(I am NOT the master of Tolkien trivia but I know a damn lot about it) :nod:
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Elf.
Like its been said before: hot chicks.
Period, statement.
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I suppose you're right - Sauron became great under Morgoth because of his abilities as a sorcerer... and the Mouth of Sauron was supposedly pretty hand with sorcery as well. No doubt the Nazgul knew a bit about it as well.
In the Silmarilion, the sorcerous abilities of Sauron's that we see are mainly illusions, deceptions and domination of weaker minds (including monsters such as werewolves, Sauron's trademark in those days)
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Human.......
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
(see Saruman and Caradhras)
Ah please not that! That's one of the parts I hate in the movie, coz Saruman has NOTHING to do with the Caradhras in the book, it might sound silly, but in the book the moutain is just upset, and that has nothing to do with Saruman.
I'll say nomore about the magic thing tho.
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*last read the book before Fellowship was released, and doesn't really remember that bit*
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Undead.
[devours Shrike]
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Undead.
[devours Shrike]
*turns to holy water*
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That's your Judeo-centric type of undead, who're vulnerable to symbols. I'm a voodoo zombie, baby, ain't no stoppin' me...
[rampages]
Brains!
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Elves
the demon hunter was so 1337
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VORLON!!!!
cuz i get those cool living spaceships + im 100% pure engergy + everybody would see me as angel :drevil:
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The difficulty with the discussion of magic and Elves in this thread is this: For the Elves, magic is a meaningless term. (Read FOTR in the passage where they are coming into Lorien.) Greater powers are inherent in them than in, say, hobbits, but this blanketing word "magic" is strange to them. For an Elf, these powers are nothing especial. Different Elves will be good at different things, just as different humans will be good at different things.
Therefore, magic is not a useful term in the discussion. The three Rings, for example, are forged and have their power because their makers put some of their own power/stength/essence/life-force into them. Classifying things or people as magical doesn't really fit the "reality." Instead it bespeaks a hobbit's or human's ignorance.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
That's your Judeo-centric type of undead, who're vulnerable to symbols. I'm a voodoo zombie, baby, ain't no stoppin' me...
[rampages]
Brains!
Fine then.
*pulls out shotgun*
Shotgun beats undead.
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[watches arm fly off]
Dammit, you're as bad as that Ash character I tried yesterday...
[watches arm crawl up to Shrike and start pummeling him]
Anyone got a needle and some thread? Or a stapler?
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Sounds like you need a tube of No More Nails
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Originally posted by venom2506
wouldn't be an orc, coz Tolkien orcs are gay
Heretic! HERETIC!!!
If Tolkien says orcs are dumb and weak, than orcs are dumb and weak, damnit!
Anyway, I'd be a human. Only way you could leave Arda and share of Iluvatar's existance. Isn't that just beautiful.
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I guess I'm a hobbit. :doubt:
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It's okay.
[pats JR on the head]
[cracks open his skull, and feasts on his halfling brains]
Eh, I don't know if I like 'em "fun size".
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I used to like Elves, but have now come to the conclusion that they are pansies.
GO DUNADAN!
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Tsk. You wouldn't be saying that if you'd have seen the hosts of the Noldor arrayed in all their might. Even Morgoth got a little bit worried by them (though admitedly he was more scared of men, but only because he understood them even less than he did the elves)
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Dwarf
sun=bad
gold=good
axe=fun
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Tsk. You wouldn't be saying that if you'd have seen the hosts of the Noldor arrayed in all their might. Even Morgoth got a little bit worried by them (though admitedly he was more scared of men, but only because he understood them even less than he did the elves)
The Noldor (High Elves) = Cool
Sindar (Rest of the Elves) = Pansies
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Personally I'd love the idea of being able to choose my speices in the first place :p
**Upon birth**
"No no no damnit I said HUMAN...now put me BACK in and go pull me out of the RIGHT mother this time damnit!!"
Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeaky
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
The Noldor (High Elves) = Cool
Sindar (Rest of the Elves) = Pansies
Not quite - the Sindar are the Grey Elves. The correct term for non-High Elves is Moriquendi (Dark Elves), which refers to those elves who never saw the light of the Trees. The only know exception was Elwe/Thingol, who got lost on his second journey to Valinor, and became king of the Sindar though he himself was a High Elf. The other Moriquendi include the Nandor (Green Elves, from Eriador and Ossiriand) and the Silvan Elves (from Green Wood/Mirkwood). Also, "High Elves" refers to the Vanyar and the Teleri, as well as ther Noldor.
Frankly, :ha:, :p and :cool:
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the elves who live beyond the sea are Eldars :p ... that does ring some bell to me ( damn those suckers sure are long lived :doubt: )
Oh Leviathan, I'm not an heretic, I preach the New World!
Orcs shall have the Green Skin, They shall be stronger than Humies, They shall talk a funny Waaagh! Slang and Shall resolve all arguments they have running at Each other, forehead first. The strongest forehead is obviously right.
Orcs rulz, they'r' da best uns!
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
[watches arm fly off]
Dammit, you're as bad as that Ash character I tried yesterday...
[watches arm crawl up to Shrike and start pummeling him]
Anyone got a needle and some thread? Or a stapler?
Persistent, aren't you?
*uses flamethrower*
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Originally posted by Shrike
Persistent, aren't you?
*uses flamethrower*
I'll help you, for once:
*hands up Guybrush Threepwood*
You'll see, he's more efficient than you'd think with voodoo stuff. He even might befriend Stryke...
*shudders*
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Originally posted by JR2000Z
I guess I'm a hobbit. :doubt:
Our new president is a hobbit. A four-fingered one, at that. :doubt: :p
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[obvious joke]He's the Ring Bearer![/obvious joke]
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Originally posted by demon442
axe=fun
Thats all there really needs to be said. Species doesn't matter, an Axe does.
*stays Human with big battleaxe*
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Originally posted by venom2506
the elves who live beyond the sea are Eldars :p ...
Ah, but :ha: - the name Eldar was originally given to all the elves by Orome. It comes from the ancient elvish word 'el', which loosely translates to 'behold', which is apparently the first word they spoke upon seeing the stars when they awoke by the waters of Cuivienen. 'Eldar' therefore means 'people of the stars'. Later, it was taken to included only the elves who followed Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe in to the west (whether they actually made it Valinor or not - thus the Sindar and Nandor are also Eldar). Those who didn't want to leave Cuivienen were called the Avari, or 'unwilling', and are no longer counted among the Eldar.
Yea, verily, I am teh 0wnt!
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[shameless pimp]
The Silmarillion influenced the plot structure of The Scroll of Atankharzim (http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/scroll/) strongly.
[/shameless pimp]
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:wtf:
I don't suppose you're going to elaborate for us, are you?
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Oooh Hobbit...should be that...everyone knows what people with big feet have.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
:wtf:
I don't suppose you're going to elaborate for us, are you?
Nope. I guard my plot closely. Obviously details don't translate, but themes are versatile, and can be embodied in very different forms.
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Originally posted by TheVirtu
Oooh Hobbit...should be that...everyone knows what people with big feet have.
smelly socks?
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Big shoes