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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: NeoHunter on December 26, 2002, 04:22:06 am
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(http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/excellence/Pictures/StarTrek%20Original.jpg)
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...?
The Constitution A came after the NX-01 in the timeline unless I'm mistaken...
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yes..?
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I think he was going for our time.. in any case, what's the point?
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That isn't the first one by any reckoning. In the Trek universe, NCC-1701-A comes after the NCC-1701 of the original series, whic in turn is predated by NX-01. In the real-world timeline of TV series and movies, again the NCC-1701 is antecedent to the NCC-1701-A, the former being the ship of the original series and the later only being modelled for the movies after the original was destroyed.
It is, however, a nice picture.
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So this is completely pointless?
Well i suppose if you want to get technical we could go back to the Very original HMS Enterprize ... :blah:
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Not completely pointless. Like I said, it's a nice picture. :D
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Shouldn't those engines...glow or something?
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If you watched Wrath of Khan, throughout the whole movie, the Enterprise nacelles never glowed unless the starship went to warp.
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sorry but you're mistaken, here's the first one :rolleyes:
(http://www.hed.co.uk/productpictures/sca_fpan.jpg)
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Hooookay...
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Hooookay...
i fail to see the point of this thread.
then again, its rather common in this forum
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*sigh*
Agreed, Peanuts.
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Somewhere, long ago, I used to have a teaser ad for Star Trek: The Motion Picture that showed a significantly different updated Enterprise model. Mostly I remember that it had a ton of greebles on the inside of the nacelles. Looked pretty cool.
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greebles?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Well i suppose if you want to get technical we could go back to the Very original HMS Enterprize ... :blah:
Yes we could, and we will. You'll see.
The HMS Enterprize. an old, sailing vessel. Built between the time it was designed and the time it was launched.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
i fail to see the point of this thread.
then again, its rather common in this forum
any reason why you're quoting me to say that?
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Originally posted by Petrarch
Yes we could, and we will. You'll see.
The HMS Enterprize. an old, sailing vessel. Built between the time it was designed and the time it was launched.
duh..
this is ghey
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
greebles?
Yes, greebles (http://www.3rddimensiontutorials.com/Greebling.html).
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Built between the time it was designed and the time it was launched.
Am I the only one to find this funny?
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:nod:
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Am I the only one to find this funny?
I laughed.
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:lol:
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Am I the only one to find this funny?
I was about to post a :lol:, but after seeing KT's post I decided it was better not to.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
:nod:
Bah. You stink. :p
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meh.. I did laugh.. It was just along the lines of "No ****?"
anywho.. makes a nice siggy quote as you noticed
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Yup. :D
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Where did CP5670's quote come from?
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Oh gosh, it was one of those threads we were debating.... politics, science, religion - take your pic.
*does a search*
Ahh, found it! http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,9441.0.html AND person AND including AND you&pagenumber=2
Read down the page...
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Wow... :lol:
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
any reason why you're quoting me to say that?
no, why?
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hmmm something seems different about you two lately... can't quite put my finger on it though...
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Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
I laughed.
People? Laughing? At one of my jokes?!?:wtf:
This is indeed a disturbing universe.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
hmmm something seems different about you two lately... can't quite put my finger on it though...
I could cut the tension with a chainsaw.
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[l]racial tension ala interracialhomoerotiscim, or are you just having a real life tiff?[/l]
EDIT: Sorry, had to remind myself that I don't really care.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
no, why?
hokay :D
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heh, so now would be a bad time to point out that the NX-01 never existed in the Trek timeline? ;)
If you look carefully in the rec room scene in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, you see every vessel bearing the name Enterprise upto that point in time. :)
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um.. they wrote it in.. Enterprise wasn't thought of when they wrote the motion pic.. besides.. The Time Travely Suluban dealer man will probably **** them over into the future or erase them form time or something.
would make for a different series ending.
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How can you write something in that contradicts everything else in the franchise?
Then again, what more should I expect from two morons that couldn't give two ****s about a decent story or continuity. Just as long as they get the chance to show some two-bit actor in a tight uniform....
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Ugh. I hoped that when the new series came out, they'd get the DS9 writers rather than the VOY writers. Unfortunately, that was not to be the case. I haven't watched a single episode since Broken Bow.
And they think they can make an "original" old ship design just by sticking some TOS nacelles on an Akira. :rolleyes: :mad:
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Actually, that bit wasn't really their fault. Paramount liked the Akira design and forced them to use it.
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Originally poste by Vertigo1
How can you write something in that contradicts everything else in the franchise?
well obviously you've seen voyager.. Everything they did up to Getting Seven was fine. Kazon, 8472, it wasn't that bad. And Seven was alright, but everything they did with the borg after they got her was just wrong.
They killed a perfectly good villiian and.. bleh.
Originally poste by Vertigo1
Just as long as they get the chance to show some two-bit actor in a tight uniform....
Fine actress. Although catsuits aren't exactly start trek.. not to mention it went un-explained the entire series... not that I'm objecting.
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[NERD]
Originally posted by Knight Templar
well obviously you've seen voyager.. Everything they did up to Getting Seven was fine. Kazon, 8472, it wasn't that bad. And Seven was alright, but everything they did with the borg after they got her was just wrong.
They killed a perfectly good villiian and.. bleh.
Agreed. Supposedly an enemy that has practically absorbed the knowledge of a quarter of the galaxy is now quite defeatable by a single ship after a few "convenient" encounters.
Fine actress. Although catsuits aren't exactly start trek.. not to mention it went un-explained the entire series... not that I'm objecting. [/B]
That's to keep all the geeks distracted while the writers ignore everything written beforehand and trash a pre-established history for the sake of ratings.
Since when did Romulan ships cloak back in 2152 when it was an unknown to Starfleet as late as 2267, even after that rather major altercation called the Romulan War (which is supposed to start in 2156, but I'm sure they'll conveniently overlook that)? And are the Klingons really so lazy or backwards that they use the same battleship design for 225+ years?
Apparently the Akira is supposed to pay hommage to the NX-class vessel, in the same way that the Fleming class medical ship looks like the Daedalus class cruiser from back at the beginning of the Federation. Though it makes you wonder why Starfleet will regress from NX-01 to a more primitive design in the next 10 years. Oh whoops, that ship looks rather inconvenient, we'll just pretend that was never constructed....
A couple of nights ago, I sat down and had a think about this. I'm sure some people (I have one particular person in mind) would say that it's not worth getting into a heated argument over a fictional universe. So I have to wonder - if it's not worth consideration, why do people write TV shows in the first place? Why do they bother writing them with some sort of cohesion running through it? Why go to the effort of trying to construct a universe with depth when the writers themselves won't pay attention to it?
[/NERD]
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Sci-Fi prequels just do not work, take the Phantom Menace, and Attack of the Clones, they don't fit in WHATSOEVER.
Another thing, in TNG, in Picard's ready room, he has a plaque of every ship called enterprise. There is the present day carrier, then it's straight to the NCC-1701. Where is Archer's Ship?
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Sci-Fi prequels just do not work, take the Phantom Menace, and Attack of the Clones, they don't fit in WHATSOEVER.
Another thing, in TNG, in Picard's ready room, he has a plaque of every ship called enterprise. There is the present day carrier, then it's straight to the NCC-1701. Where is Archer's Ship?
wasn't that already mentioned?
anyway, i do agree that enterprise is really bad for ST, for once, some of the actors are more time outside there uniforms then in them, and whats with that decon chamber? that's just another excuse to show more skin than uniform. and don't make me even start complaining about the storyline and coninuity(sp) compared to the other series
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Indeed, before long it will be nothing more than some soft-porn thing, like sex in the city.
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isn't it like sex and the city already???:wtf: i mean,look at one more decon scene....
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Does it matter?
*never liked Star Trek*
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Yes, it matters. DS9 was teh awesome. VOY had a good premise, but they threw that away plus they made the Borg a bunch of pansies. Enterprise is just dumb.
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Oh yeah, the Borg. The single thing I like about Star Trek.
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Oh c'mon.. Jolene Blalock guys. ;7
Ok, maybe not in star Trek, but it seems to be the new trend.. It kinda Started with Deana, but not as out of place as with Seven and even more so with... whatever her name is.
Personally i would've wanted a 1) better latter half of Voyager..
and
2) A new series after Voy/DS9. I think it'd definitly make more sense than going back and making a prequel.. Enterprise is the kindof series which should be explained as canonly as possibly through Books If it need be totally necasary .
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Right. It should be done carefully, not flippantly.
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Funny... I find that female Vulcan attractive...ah...T'Pol...that's her name. Wonder if wer'll really meet such an attractive alien female after first contact..:D
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I know it makes me an uber-geek, but Vulcan and Romulan birds are teh fit :nod:
Same goes for elves *pauses to admire Liv Tyler wallpaper*, but the Vulcan haircut just does it for me. But then, I quite like a bird with short hair, if it's done properly :nod:
*remebers Selar* Ahh... I love Star Trek :D
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Really?
Something about short hair just .. I dunno... screams butch lesbian to me... :ick
Blalock and ryan I made exceptions for cuz they both have hair underneath the wigs/tight stylings.
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Yeah, I realise there's a fine line between sexy short hair and lesbian-alike, but hey. Another example - what about Willow when she had it cut short? Nice...
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Urgh. Idiots.
TOS: Yeoman Janice Rand and to a lesser extent, Nurse Christine Chapel
TNG: Deanna Troi and to a lesser extent Ro Laren and Tasha Yar (and possibly Guinan for all you sick mofo's)
DS9: Jadzia Dax, to a similar extent Leeta and to a lesser extent Kira Nerys and Ezri Dax (and possibly Kai Adami Winn for you sick mofo's and Keiko for you asian lovers)
VOY: Seven Of Nine and to a lesser extent Torres and Kes (and Tuvok for you sick mofo's, and then there's every piece of ass that Chakotay tricked into bed)
ENT: Sub-Commander T'Pol and to similar extent Hoshi (and possibly Porthos for you sick mofo's)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Yeah, I realise there's a fine line between sexy short hair and lesbian-alike, but hey. Another example - what about Willow when she had it cut short? Nice...
Nah, it was the black eyes and the goth clothes.
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Originally posted by an0n
Nah, it was the black eyes and the goth clothes.
:D
Anyways, you reminded me - Ezri was teh fit (dunno what your problem was, an0n, dodgy eyesight perhaps?), and so was Kes when she had her hair short :nod:
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Nicole de Boer and Jennifer Lien were never set out as sex-objects though. They were the touchy-feely, "men want to be with me because I've got a personality" kinda babes. Not the "Bejesus! We could blow up a Cube with them guns!" kinda babes.
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Having a personality didn't stop 'em looking good, though. Touchy-feely works for me, in those cases :nod:
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Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I'd still bend either of them over a command-console, but still, they were never "ARGH! My pants exploded!" kinda women. They were more characters and less sex-objects. If they'd been done as sex-objects (like Jadzia was in the mirror universe (Whoa, momma!)) then maybe. But as is/was, they weren't sex-objects and thus get relegated to a "to a lesser extent" placing.
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Fair enough. Hey, what version of an0n's list of women to bone are you up to now? Wanna post it?
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Pfff. I'd have to trawl through about 50mb of IRC logs to find the Official List™.
And the proper title is: an0n's List Of Women To Have Wild Sex With Once He Takes Over The West Coast (Chicks Dig Power)™
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Well **** me, I forgot Jadzia/Ro/Kira :blah:
Only pick would be Kes. Good character, but as a woman... short, short hair and just.. blah.
hmm I had something useful to say a while ago.. escapes me at the moment. :doubt:
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Sci-Fi prequels just do not work, take the Phantom Menace, and Attack of the Clones, they don't fit in WHATSOEVER.
How do they not fit in? The only minor violation of continuity that I'm aware of is Qui-Gon Jinn being Obi-Wan's mentor instead of Yoda. Thats yet to be explained tho. Knowing George, he'll bring it up somehow.
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Well... Yoda was pretty much Obi-Wan's boss after Qui-Gon bit the lightsaber, so maybe that's what Sir Alec was alluding to...
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Like Obi-Wan Kenobi told Luke Skywalker: "From a certain point of view":D
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
How do they not fit in? The only minor violation of continuity that I'm aware of is Qui-Gon Jinn being Obi-Wan's mentor instead of Yoda. Thats yet to be explained tho. Knowing George, he'll bring it up somehow.
There's the thing about C3PO working on the Lars' farm, but when he returns in New Hope, he haas no idea where he is. Throughout the history of Star Wars fanfic, technical guides and such, there is no mention of naboo fighters, the trade federation, gungans, Darth maul, and so on. The Clone wars were just wrong. The clones were meant to be the enemy.
Oh, and Anakin, EP1 gets you to feel sorry for him and what have you, but ITS DARTH VADER FOR GOD'S SAKE!
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
The clones were meant to be the enemy.
I get the distinct impression that they will be in the next movie.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
There's the thing about C3PO working on the Lars' farm, but when he returns in New Hope, he haas no idea where he is.
Droids normally get theri memories erased regularly as they pass from master to master (Skywalkers never seem to want to do it though) so when 3PO was eventually sold, he would have forgotten the Lars farm. Artoo flying, now that pisses me off. He could have used that in Dagobah, on Jabbas Sail Barge, even cloud city, but he didn't because astromech droids have no need to fly. Except to give footage for a friggen ad that is.
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Oh, and Anakin, EP1 gets you to feel sorry for him and what have you, but ITS DARTH VADER FOR GOD'S SAKE!
Not yet he isn't.
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*Smacks everyone dissing SWs*
Clone Troopers will get their *ahem* "new" look in the 3rd movie, and Anakin will get in a lightsabre fight with Obi-won, and get his ass kicked, he then crawls away to Palpatine, who in turn makes Anakin his "body-guard" and gives him some rebreather armour, and a cool new name.
Now with the thing about 3PO, he got sold from Lars, then got curculated around the galaxy a few times, then fell into the hands of a "Captain Antilles" (Wedge Antilles maybe?) then he got back to Lars, and Owin didn't recognize him...*smacks LucasFilm*
Did anybody know that Count Dooku, WASN'T going to be the initial bad guy? The Sith Lord, was going to be a woman. I've seen the concept art about her, and...WHOA! she had dual light sabres, she got the looks, and she got the moves...too bad "LF" didn't use her for the movie...
you can prolly do a search on Google and try to find her.
Cor
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There's million of protocol droids in the SW universe and Lars was just a teen when he first saw C3PO. And more to the point, why would he care if it was the same droid? So his step-mother's son used to own that same protocol droid. Big deal.
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Originally posted by Corhellion
..."Captain Antilles" (Wedge Antilles maybe?)...
no
Originally posted by an0n
There's million of protocol droids in the SW universe and Lars was just a teen when he first saw C3PO. And more to the point, why would he care if it was the same droid? So his step-mother's son used to own that same protocol droid. Big deal.
yes
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Wow...kind of amazing how off topic this thread has become.:D
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Now here's a real star ship
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/ewing/img/bts_bg.jpg)
;7
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And here is a real potato!
(http://www.dobhran.com/images/besttips-potato.gif)
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Unfortuantely, I can't find a picture of a small, furry creature from Alpha Centauri - otherwise, I'd post one :nod:
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If I had a skillet I could make some fried spam.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Unfortuantely, I can't find a picture of a small, furry creature from Alpha Centauri - otherwise, I'd post one :nod:
(http://www.sadgeezer.com/hhg/b14.jpg) ;7
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
There's the thing about C3PO working on the Lars' farm, but when he returns in New Hope, he haas no idea where he is.
Droids have their memories erased when they are sold off. Remember that Luke was supposed to have erased R2-D2's memory banks the next day, but R2 took off before sunset to look for Obi-Wan.
Throughout the history of Star Wars fanfic, technical guides and such, there is no mention of naboo fighters, the trade federation, gungans, Darth maul, and so on.
Remember that during and after the clone war alot of stuff was lost....including nearly all knowlege of the Jedi. There are also many worlds in the SW galaxy. Just because a few creatures and planets aren't mentioned doesn't mean they don't exist.
The Clone wars were just wrong. The clones were meant to be the enemy.
How do YOU know they clones were supposed to be the enemy? I don't recall it ever being stated that the clones were the bad guys in any novels or anywhere in the original trilogy.
Oh, and Anakin, EP1 gets you to feel sorry for him and what have you, but ITS DARTH VADER FOR GOD'S SAKE!
So? He was a little kid that had know idea what future had in store for him. Do you think that all cold-blooded killers start out as maniacs? Do some research. You'll find that they actually start out pretty damn normal. They only go down the 'dark' path when something makes them snap, just like we saw in Episode 2 when Anakin kills all the tusken raiders when his mother died.
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Artoo flying, now that pisses me off. He could have used that in Dagobah, on Jabbas Sail Barge, even cloud city, but he didn't because astromech droids have no need to fly. Except to give footage for a friggen ad that is.
The rockets were in the original blueprints for R2.
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Well what do you make of this? It could feature in EP3 quite easily.
(http://www.freewebs.com/petrarch_of_th_vbb/sparky2.jpg)
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I don't know...Lucas might not really have need for a red x...
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Originally posted by Analazon
I don't know...Lucas might not really have need for a red x...
:lol:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Now here's a real star ship
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/ewing/img/bts_bg.jpg)
;7
That's an E-Wing. That is if you didn't know that by now. I would like to see Jagged Fel's Claw fighter though.:)
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Originally posted by Neohunter
That's an E-Wing. That is if you didn't know that by now. I would like to see Jagged Fel's Claw fighter though. :)
:wtf:
Yeah.. I thought finding it kinda hinted that I knew what it was. One of my favorite SW Ships.
Although I've never heard of Jagged Fel's claw fighter.. err or was it in Vision of the Future?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
:wtf:
Yeah.. I thought finding it kinda hinted that I knew what it was. One of my favorite SW Ships.
Although I've never heard of Jagged Fel's claw fighter.. err or was it in Vision of the Future?
Its in the latter NJO novels.
Picture a TIE Interceptor with curved wings shaped like an X-wing in attack formation. Thats what the Clawfighter looks like.
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So like the wings of a Defender then?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
So like the wings of a Defender then?
Umm...no. More like the Phantom...only without the solar panel look and has four wings instead of three with a long body like the X-Wing..
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The reason there's no NX-01 Enterprise in the old timeline?
You want to know?
In the Voyager episode "Hope and Fear", they mention that the first Starfleet vessel was the NX-01 Dauntless. So why is it the Enterprise in the series?
Official Reason:
Picard and friends screwed up the timeline in First Contact
Real Reason:
Rick Berman is a moron and wanted to change the name
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I'll agree with that. Dauntless is a much better name, has a much more British feel about it. Like HMS Splendid, or Indifatigable.
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No it wasn't. The Dauntless was allegedly a new prototype ship with slipstream drive. Not the first Starfleet ship.
But yes, Dauntless is a good name. :)
Indifatigable... :lol:
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Indifatigable... :lol:
What? Just because it has associations with Camelot (it is a silly place)
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It's a funny word - even funnier if it's the name of a ship. :lol:
http://www.lego.com/eng/studios/screening/movie.asp?id=montypython
('tis a silly movie)
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Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms!
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
Umm...no. More like the Phantom...only without the solar panel look and has four wings instead of three with a long body like the X-Wing..
I don't think the clawcraft has a long body, just a ball cockpit. But trying to picture it in my mind is kind of weird. The Chiss must be lousy ship designers.:D
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Here's the thing:
(http://njoproject.skywalkeronline.net/images/clawfighterfull2.jpg)
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Mmmmmm. Vasudan TIE :D.
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Styxx, where did you get that sketch???
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms!
Come here, I'll bite your legs off!
Ahh, 'was watching that film this very morning. 'twas Monty Python night sometime last year on beeb 2, so I taped it.
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Originally posted by NeoHunter
Styxx, where did you get that sketch???
http://njoproject.skywalkeronline.net/
QUOTE is A-1 SUPAR! :)