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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: wEvil on December 30, 2002, 08:11:18 pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/29/mandatory.military/index.html
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grrrr....I don't like the whole concept of mandatory military service...
*grabs molotov cocktails and protest sign*
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Only if the Bugs invade..
but until then, I'll only join the army when and if I damn well want to.
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Originally posted by wEvil
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/29/mandatory.military/index.html
Aren't you in Britain? And as a briton, the US implementing universal military service will have little to no impact on your life?
Besides, this will never fly. The US repealled the draft, they're not about to reinstate it. Typical Democrat idiocy.
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Originally posted by Shrike
Typical Democrat idiocy.
:nod: :nod: :nod:
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I'm all for mandatory public service. It shouldn't be restricted to military duty, though. After all, there's a hell of a lot of other things that need to be done in this country besides train for war. I believe that Germany lets you pick between military service and civil service, though I am not clear on the details.
Even if this bill isn't put in with a "pacifist" clause, I'd still get behind it. It isn't a draft. A draft implies, by definition, a selection of a subset from a larger set. This is compulsory federal service. IE, the whole set is taken in its turn.
Besides anything else, career-civilians in this country need some motivation and discipline. A few months with some drill instructors and a few years serving their fellow citizens should go a long way toward providing such motivation and discipline.
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provided boot camp doesnt kill them
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Does mandatory military service include weapons training? For everyone?
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Congratulations you have just earned...
(http://www.angelfire.com/blues2/deepbluewa/Recfuzzy.jpg)
for dangerous ideas.
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Who? Me?
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Uh oh we're freshly out. Umm got any pocket lint on you?
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Originally posted by mikhael
Even if this bill isn't put in with a "pacifist" clause, I'd still get behind it. It isn't a draft. A draft implies, by definition, a selection of a subset from a larger set. This is compulsory federal service. IE, the whole set is taken in its turn.
No, this isn't a draft. It's worse.
The draft was normally a fairly small selection of people, and was random to boot. This would force everyone to spend time in the military.
Conscript soldiers are almost invariably inferior to volunteers, because they don't want to be there. Given the choice of spending 2 years in the military or two years getting on with post-secondary education and a career, I know which I'd choose.
Plus, on a purely practical level, it's asinine. The US military is already bigger than it needs to be, what the hell are they going to do with another 2+ million people? The trend in militaries now is small, professional forces, there's no need for million-man armies in the current political climate. Where's the money going to come from? Where are they going to train?
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Originally posted by Levyathan
Does mandatory military service include weapons training? For everyone?
Ala Encarta
Milatary
1. of war or armed forces: relating to matters of war or the armed forces
Armed forces.. would imply weapons, so i think so. Don't quote me on it though.
:p
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I wouldn't mind it that much
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Ala Encarta
Milatary
You should urgently buy a new encyclopaedia.
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Originally posted by Levyathan
You should urgently buy a new encyclopaedia.
I really don't think the definition of military has changed recently...so KT should be fine for now :D
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Originally posted by Blue Lion
I wouldn't mind it that much
:wtf:
Origionally posted by An0n
*Smack*
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I think the US's 360(around 320-380) billion dollar defence budget might cover the costs.
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So... by forcing more and more people to join the army, the potential for conflict is... reduced?
Heh, only in America :nod:
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One of the things i wanted to be once, was a Riot Policemen, so i could bash some hippies.
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You don't need to be a copper to bash hippes. Just a stick or a cricket bat or something :nod:
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Orignally posted by Levyathan
You should urgently buy a new encyclopaedia.
Came right off of Encarta.com boyo :D
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Originally posted by wEvil
:wtf:
Did I spell something wrong?
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I think that he is smacking you because you wouldn't mind it that much, not because you spelled sommat wrong.
It is probably because we are all computer geeks, and would be loath to abandon our precious box for more than a few days at a time (not to mention an internet connection...)
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Shrivles in terror at the mention of disconnection. Goes to cave and hugs modem. "My own, my precioussssss"
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Originally posted by Deepblue
Shrivles in terror at the mention of disconnection. Goes to cave and hugs modem. "My own, my precioussssss"
:lol:
Sad but true...
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:nod:
RAF basic officer training is six months, and I won't be able to have my computer with me while I'm living in barracks... :shaking:
That's assuming they actually let me in... :D
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*has eighteen months before having to go to the army*
Actually, I don't know how it works around here. I might be able to stay out.
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Originally posted by Analazon
I think that he is smacking you because you wouldn't mind it that much, not because you spelled sommat wrong.
It is probably because we are all computer geeks, and would be loath to abandon our precious box for more than a few days at a time (not to mention an internet connection...)
I was....joking...k?
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Originally posted by wEvil
provided boot camp doesnt kill them
Good point: most career civilians couldn't make it through the Air Force's pathetic rendition of bootcamp. Imagine if they had to go through HARD bootcamp, like the Marines? ;)
I don't think this guy is actually looking for mandatory military service. He's looking to raise a warning flag. How many mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, will keep up their mindless warmongering chants, if its THEIR relatives that are going to be slogging in the (figurative) trenches? The average american citizen doesn't give one rotting rat's ass about who actually has to prosecute the wars for which they cheer. Seaman Ricky J. Recruit and Corporal Fred Mudfoot are faceless to them. Mandatory service puts a more immediate--more personal--face on the whole thing.
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Originally posted by Shrike
Conscript soldiers are almost invariably inferior to volunteers, because they don't want to be there.
This is going to shock you:
Most people who volunteered for the military don't want to be there either.
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Bah, i know a guy who's in the marines who is royally pissed cause he hurt his knee and is now stuck here while his twin brother is in Afghanistan, I swear this guys's gonna fly over there himself one day on his own.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Most people who volunteered for the military don't want to be there either.
Yes, but it was their choice to begin with.
I asked a friend of mine in the Canadian Forces his opinion on the matter. His reply:
[q]Well, *I* want to be in the CF. If not in the army as a whole then certainly in my chosen trade.
Most people I know in the army like it a lot. It's fun work, and once you get a bit of time under your belt it's very easy money (compared to civvie jobs demanding equal qualification).[/q]
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Originally posted by Analazon
It is probably because we are all computer geeks, and would be loath to abandon our precious box for more than a few days at a time (not to mention an internet connection...)
*ahem* :D
I'd actually support the bill if I had any say. Why? I've seen the effect that military service has on a person - especially right after high-school. They go in to the army as kiddies, yet complete as mature grown-ups, with a lot more sense of responsibility than they would without military service. They learn respect both for life as well as for firearms, thus lowering the gun killings nation-wide by a significant amount. It also unites a culture in ways that can't be achevied in any other way; in America's example, the racil tension between whites, black, hispanics, etc etc would be lowered drastically after a cycle of military service together.
I served alongside Bedouins, Druze, Russians, and Ethiopians during my 3 years of military service - not to mention all the more "standard" (sounds racial, but I can't think of a better way to put it, and frankly, I don't give a purple flying fart about political correctness) nationalities and racial backgrounds, such as Yemenite, Iraqi, Moroccan (sp?) and European/Western Jews. I made friends out of people I never would have even looked at on the street, got to know people I thought were more enemies than friends, and generally came out with a love of my country, family and friends that I didn't have before.
I cannot express how much I wanted to avoid military service before I went in, and likewise I cannot express how glad I am that I went through it all now (and still am going through it, with another month of reserves coming up in a month here).
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You know, Sarny, I was reading that and thinking what a bloody intelligent and well crafted post that was, until the purple fart bit made me snigger :D
You talk a lot of sense for an admin, Sandwich. Just shame the smart guys never end up running the country, eh?
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Everyone who supports this concept, I suggest you look at just how many people there are in the US. Assuming 3 month tours of duty, the US's military size would double, and three months and out barely justifies the training - they'll spend as long or longer training than they will doing actual work. A collosal waste of resources for little tangible gain.
If they all did Sandwich's 3 years, that's roughly twelve million people under arms. You could have a world war with that many people.
Look, Isreal has something like 7 million people, right? The US has 280 million.
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I long ago decided that I'm getting the hell out of this country and moving to Sweden.
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Originally posted by Alikchi
I long ago decided that I'm getting the hell out of this country and moving to Sweden.
I dunno, Holland doesn't sound too bad.. save i think i might like my own climate/scenery better. From what I hear, holland is kinda flat.
*finishs plan to build massive tractor beams and bring holland to KT*
:drevil: Mwuhahahahahahha
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I like the idea in general, but what actually "military service" is needs to be defined better. For example, if someone becomes a physicist and works on building new war technologies, that should definitely qualify. If you think about it, almost all ordinary jobs would work here, however indirectly, since the economy needs to be kept running during a war to finance military operations. Besides, the US military is certainly large enough to complete its objectives, and adding more men to it isn't going to make it whole lot more powerful given the way it operates; instead, add new kinds of missiles or something. Of course, there is the lack of order and discpline that the conventional military would fulfil, but that will always be there in a "free" society anyway.
Although this is never going to work the way this guy is going about it. If he is doing it so to thwart the objectives of the rest of the government and he needs to convince them to pass the act, he should at least not show his real goal so blatantly. :p
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Originally posted by Analazon
grrrr....I don't like the whole concept of mandatory military service...
*grabs molotov cocktails and protest sign*
What, you DON'T have mandatory military service? Here in estonia, everyone between the age 18-24 has to serve at least 8 months in the military.
So you could study at university for 6 years, which is a applicable excuse, but its still mandatory. I pity you americans.
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Originally posted by Levyathan
*has eighteen months before having to go to the army*
Actually, I don't know how it works around here. I might be able to stay out.
You probably won't have to go - they already have too many people, they're barely accepting people at the military academies, and those want to get into the army.
To everyone else: we have mandatory military service in Brazil, all men must serve one year in the military when they complete 18 years, unless they're the only son in a family, have some health problem, or there is already too many people serving.
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Originally posted by wEvil
provided boot camp doesnt kill them
God that's funny!!!
Boot Camp is pathetic in the US. The only ppl that can't handle it are the fat asses that can't handle PE class in highschool.
Besides, the US just went through serveral years of REDUCTION of the military (bases being shut down etc etc) and with costs of training (my AIT= advanced skill training, caused my tour to be a minimum 5 years total to make it cost effective) I don't see them pushing every person in the country through service even if it was a year long tour.
Now 2-3 years, would make since.
But let's not get our undies in a bunch over this crap, it's HIGHLY unlikely to ever happen ;)
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actually a friend of someone quite close to me died in boot camp a couple of weeks ago. Third (fourth?) person in as many months, too.
Its just not funny, man.
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Originally posted by Shrike
Everyone who supports this concept, I suggest you look at just how many people there are in the US. Assuming 3 month tours of duty, the US's military size would double, and three months and out barely justifies the training - they'll spend as long or longer training than they will doing actual work. A collosal waste of resources for little tangible gain.
If they all did Sandwich's 3 years, that's roughly twelve million people under arms. You could have a world war with that many people.
Look, Isreal has something like 7 million people, right? The US has 280 million.
What, feeling threatened? ;)
They're not going to push every person in the country through. They'll institute it as mandatory military service after secondary education. IE: when you graduate, you got to 2 or 3yrs of military service. Thus, you don't end up with 12million people in the armed forces.
Really Shrike, you're becoming addled in the head. You have to think through what you're saying before you post. ;)
I agree wholeheartedly with Sandwich up there.
And my point about this being a deterrent to bloody-minded warmongering still stands.
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Originally posted by wEvil
actually a friend of someone quite close to me died in boot camp a couple of weeks ago. Third (fourth?) person in as many months, too.
Its just not funny, man.
Don't take this as anything against your friend,.... but things do happen. It's not because Boot is too tough to live through no matter what anyone says.
When I was in a guy on base nearly died from the heat because he didn't speak up and say he needed to drink more water.
On the same note I've known of many events were ppl died doing normal every day jobs too.
Yes horrible things happen,....but it's seldomly the place they happen at that is to blame.
Again sorry about your friend.
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Originally posted by wEvil
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/29/mandatory.military/index.html
What about Canada? What happens to them?
*Loads Shotgun\Grenade Launcher*
*Charges Ion Cannon*
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Wow - I didn't know compulsory military service was present in many countries at all... I knew North Korea had it, and assumed a few others, but not Brazil and that...
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Oh, yes. With all the recent wars we got into we have to be prepared all the time.
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Originally posted by mikhael
What, feeling threatened? ;)
They're not going to push every person in the country through. They'll institute it as mandatory military service after secondary education. IE: when you graduate, you got to 2 or 3yrs of military service. Thus, you don't end up with 12million people in the armed forces.
Really Shrike, you're becoming addled in the head. You have to think through what you're saying before you post. ;)
I agree wholeheartedly with Sandwich up there.
And my point about this being a deterrent to bloody-minded warmongering still stands.
Who's the one who doesn't think? The US's 1999 birthrate was a hair under 4 million people. The math of everyone turning 18 doing three years under arms....... is simple.
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"When you talk about a war, you're talking about ground troops, you're talking about enlisted people, and they don't come from the kids and members of Congress," he said.
Someone tell my why this fellow thinks everyone else in the world is so idiotic they need him to explain this? :wtf:
The man's trying to say people are too willing to go to war because they haven't experienced that sort of thing. Well, I say thats a good sign that we've had no wars and besides national service won't give them real war experience.
I think this guy just wants noticed and deserves a good slap and told to go and write 100 times - "I must look out for the public interest"
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It is a fact that America certainly hasn't been involved in any wars which have cost its forces severe casualties recently. It is also a fact that the American public are without doubt in support of Starting a war with Iraq and possibly North Korea.
I think he presents a rather good explanation of the virtues of the scheme from his point of view, be it in a devious way. Baring any idologies that might influece people otherwise, it is almost certain that people are will have less enthusiasm for waging wars if there in an increased chance they're going to participate, (and thus risk getting killed) in it. National service will ensure that should a war be waged, that those in fighting age will be more likely to see combat.
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Originally posted by vyper
The man's trying to say people are too willing to go to war because they haven't experienced that sort of thing. Well, I say thats a good sign that we've had no wars and besides national service won't give them real war experience.
Originally posted by mikhael
I don't think this guy is actually looking for mandatory military service. He's looking to raise a warning flag. How many mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, will keep up their mindless warmongering chants, if its THEIR relatives that are going to be slogging in the (figurative) trenches? The average american citizen doesn't give one rotting rat's ass about who actually has to prosecute the wars for which they cheer. Seaman Ricky J. Recruit and Corporal Fred Mudfoot are faceless to them. Mandatory service puts a more immediate--more personal--face on the whole thing.
Oh, and Shrike, point taken. I still think you're addled though. :)
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Ya know though.... lets say for the sake of arguement this bill actually passes (mine you it's the children of Congress this guy says the reason for this bill is ... now WHO's gonna vote for it again ? hmmm ) Anyways ... it passes... OK .... Congress feels that going to war for something, Iraq, North Korea, a new Ossama wannabe that's never been heard of that pops up next year and tries to nuke London,..whoever,... anyways... congress votes against war (think of the children! OURS!)
Two words destory the entire concept for this bill :
POLICE ACTION
Correct me if i'm wrong, but even if Congress says No the President still has the power to send in troops for like 3 months or so.
I mean all this POS bill will do is remove the offical title of "war" to a conflict,.......yea that'll change things.
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There are a few countries in the world which has mandotary military service. Isreal and my country are examples of mandotary military service.
I am currently serving in the Singapore Armed Forces until the year 2004. Every Singaporean male here from the ages of 18 to 20 are required to enlist with the Army for 2 to 2 and a half years. After that, they will become Reservists for the next 13 years or less. So far, I have already been with the Army for 7 months.
Not many of my people like to do this but we have no chioce. So, we just serve our term and then be over and done with it.
However, I think with the United States, it could be something else. Because the US government is out on a "crusade" to eradicate terrorism, there is a very high probability that young US males who go in will be sent abroad to US bases and most probably be involved in armed conflicts.
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... the difference being that many of these countries NEED a perma-draft to stay alive. The US doesn't.
Also, I absolutely don't believe in anything the US military stands for, and if they give me a gun, the very first thing I will do with it is find the highest-ranking asshole available and strike a blow for the Revolution.
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Stryke...that is the best path to ending up splattered all over the concrete somewhere...
just think of all of the documentaries that would be made about you...
I'm pretty sure you mean Stryke, not me.[/size]
yeah...I did...its just all you both have "s" names that rhyme...
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
... the difference being that many of these countries NEED a perma-draft to stay alive. The US doesn't.
Also, I absolutely don't believe in anything the US military stands for, and if they give me a gun, the very first thing I will do with it is find the highest-ranking asshole available and strike a blow for the Revolution.
:wtf:
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But it's irrelevant anyway, 'cos even HE doesn't expect the bill to pass. For the very same reasons he wants it passed.
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I think a 12 million man army would kick ass, figuratively, and literally.
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Except that the sudden demand for 12 million weapons, and lack of a functional workforce (since everyone's in boot camp) would instantly cripple the economy.
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
...lack of a functional workforce (since everyone's in boot camp)...
:wtf: Everyone between the ages of 18-21, perhaps. :rolleyes:
For the record, since I already spoke with Shrike about this on ICQ: I'm all for the mandatory draft primarily for the effects it will have on the US culture. But I admit that a 12 million standing peacetime army is quite overdone and ridiculous. I just wish the unifying effect of military service could be achieved through some other means, but I don't know of any. :doubt:
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Fascism.
And believe me, we're working on it.
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'Mandatory service?' No.
*Fetches his shotgun\GL and new Power Core for Ion Cannon>PcIC*.
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understanding, tender loving care and actually educating people not to be morons?
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Originally posted by wEvil
understanding, tender loving care and actually educating people not to be morons?
That is parents' (and teachers as well I suppose) job, not the federal government's.
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beleive it or not, its EVERYBODIES' job.
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Originally posted by Blue Lion
I think a 12 million man army would kick ass, figuratively, and literally.
IS NOT A GARUNTEE
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Originally posted by Blue Lion
I think a 12 million man army would kick ass, figuratively, and literally.
you would, being capitalist scum :p
dont get me wrong, i do like you - I just despise what you stand for.
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Hey, don't worry. Large armies mean large-army tactics- easily countered by a good guerilla tactician and the will of the people. You know how many people comrade Che was outnumbered by?
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Originally posted by wEvil
you would, being capitalist scum :p
dont get me wrong, i do like you - I just despise what you stand for.
Feeling good about myself? Having stuff that I worked for? Trying to get a better life?
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Originally posted by wEvil
beleive it or not, its EVERYBODIES' job.
Um, no it's not my job to make sure your kid is well adjusted
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ok i havent read thru every post here but here it goes
my country (austria) has mandtory military OR social service
i personaly like the social service part
of course most people take the militry one since its less time
but it does have an effect on you if you do ether of these. For many people its the actual introduction to a working life
Personaly i have no idea why austria would need an army anyway but for americas people having to choose betwen military or social work would sound like a good idea
on the other hand people might actualy enjoy being in the army .....
uh well time for another drink :D
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Originally posted by wEvil
beleive it or not, its EVERYBODIES' job.
Including the Military's. ;)
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Bagsy it's not my job
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
You know, Sarny, I was reading that and thinking what a bloody intelligent and well crafted post that was, until the purple fart bit made me snigger :D
You talk a lot of sense for an admin, Sandwich. Just shame the smart guys never end up running the country, eh?
I agree with every single thing you just said. :nod: :D
Originally posted by Sandwich
For the record, since I already spoke with Shrike about this on ICQ: I'm all for the mandatory draft primarily for the effects it will have on the US culture. But I admit that a 12 million standing peacetime army is quite overdone and ridiculous. I just wish the unifying effect of military service could be achieved through some other means, but I don't know of any. :doubt:
I concur there - I was going to say that my own time in cadets (like reserves for the kiddies, all the same structure and rank and superiors from the serving army) has brought out similar characteristics. And then my next thought was that WWI started arguably because both the Allied and Central Powers had amassed such enormous, capable armies. Not that I want to start a debate on that, but the relationship between large armies (despite whatever purpose they began for) and large wars is clear.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Including the Military's. ;)
No, the job of the Military is extermination for its cause, nothing else.
Hey, don't worry. Large armies mean large-army tactics- easily countered by a good guerilla tactician and the will of the people. You know how many people comrade Che was outnumbered by?
It's true to a certain extent, but don't forget they had the backing of the USSR which meant America couldn't do anything too extreme. Trotsky used gurrila warfare much more effectively although he had much more success due to the still outdated methods of those who he fought.
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What's funny ... all the US citizens that whine and ***** about how the US does things .... just one comment for all that :
You don't HAVE to stay here ya know ? :)
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Actually if you outnumber gurilla forces 10 to 1, you can beat them. But it needs to be at least 10 to 1, otherwise you'll have a hard time.
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TG: No, not really. The USSR sorta backed up the new Cuban state when it was already established. All fidel, Che, and Camilo got was about 15 survivors from the Granma, a handful of peasants who signed up right off the bat, and maybe a dozen old, worn-out rifles. All they had to build up on were members of the peasant population and what guns they got from the soldiers they killed. The Soviets didn't lay high odds on them winning, the US was actively trying to get them killed after they proved themselves a serious threat to Batista, and there was not a single government in the region that would be sorry to see them go.
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Originally posted by Top Gun
No, the job of the Military is extermination for its cause, nothing else.
I must have missed that part of bootcamp. Maybe it was sandwiched between Mass Murder 101 and Political Assassination for Fun and Profit.
What sort of idea do civilians have about the military anyway? Do you lot even have a clue?
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Originally posted by mikhael
I must have missed that part of bootcamp. Maybe it was sandwiched between Mass Murder 101 and Political Assassination for Fun and Profit.
What sort of idea do civilians have about the military anyway? Do you lot even have a clue?
The military exists for one purpose. To defend the interests and subjects (citizens) of the country they come from.
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...What it gets used for is somethign else altogether.;)
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Originally posted by mikhael
I must have missed that part of bootcamp. Maybe it was sandwiched between Mass Murder 101 and Political Assassination for Fun and Profit.
What sort of idea do civilians have about the military anyway? Do you lot even have a clue?
Well at least here it doesn't seem many do. If nothing else you'd think ppl could respect the soldiers themselves...it's not like THEY make the choice on where to deploy and for what purpose.
It's a goddamned shame that ppl who potentionally risk their lives for their country, for whatever their personal reasons might be, don't get half the respect they should.
*shrug*
Such is youth in this world though.
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i have a perfectly healthy amount of respect for them-
and almost the same amount of disrespect i have for the system they're defending.
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Originally posted by wEvil
i have a perfectly healthy amount of respect for them-
and almost the same amount of disrespect i have for the system they're defending.
But ya know.... if the system wasn't where it's at now ... how many of us would have the lives we now lead ? God only knows what type of lifestyle we'd all have. Yea...nothing's perfect,.....but **** if I'm able to change the world so why worry and ***** about it ? I'm perfectly happy with my life right where it is.
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I respect the military - possibly because they carry huge guns.
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Originally posted by Levyathan
I respect the military - possibly because they carry huge guns.
:lol:
good a reason as any...
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Originally posted by Warlock
But ya know.... if the system wasn't where it's at now ... how many of us would have the lives we now lead ? God only knows what type of lifestyle we'd all have. Yea...nothing's perfect,.....but **** if I'm able to change the world so why worry and ***** about it ? I'm perfectly happy with my life right where it is.
Complacency isn't how things get any better, though. It doesn't matter how "good" things are now (note the quotation marks), they can certainly become better, and the only way that's ever gonna happen is by doing the same thing that was done to get us to this point- make a lot of noise. Improvement happens slowly, painfully, and generally with a lot of bloodshed. It does NOT happen when people decide to sit around and comment on how lovely things are.
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Originally posted by vyper
The military exists for one purpose. To defend the interests and subjects (citizens) of the country they come from.
meh
protecting from what ?
other countrys military ?
Military was is and will be always used as wepons, and wepons are there to bring death & destroction nothing else. Well at least i neve used an uzi to plant flowers :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Complacency isn't how things get any better, though. It doesn't matter how "good" things are now (note the quotation marks), they can certainly become better, and the only way that's ever gonna happen is by doing the same thing that was done to get us to this point- make a lot of noise. Improvement happens slowly, painfully, and generally with a lot of bloodshed. It does NOT happen when people decide to sit around and comment on how lovely things are.
Well personally I seriously don't have anything to be upset about in my life.
Making noise for change is one thing, *****ing about things in general (military for example) instead on what's really causing the issues you're upset with,...is completely a different thing.
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"Choose your weapon
Guns or flowers
Flowers shoot rotten bullets
Guns make lousy flowerpots."
No, that had no relevancy to anything. I just felt like posting the poem.
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Originally posted by Fetty
meh
protecting from what ?
other countrys military ?
Military was is and will be always used as wepons, and wepons are there to bring death & destroction nothing else. Well at least i neve used an uzi to plant flowers :rolleyes:
Yea not like another country would invade us or drop bombs or such if we didn't have a military right ? :rolleyes:
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Warlock: Actually, the military's a big part of that problem, because it's what's keeping me from removing the other problem. That and the cops, but they're basically in-house military.
And they wouldn't if they didn't have reason to- reasons we provide in abundance, largely via the military. Without an army, we'd still be too tough a nut to crack to make a good colony.
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:wtf:
who was high on what when they wrote that?
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
"Choose your weapon
Guns or flowers
Flowers shoot rotten bullets
Guns make lousy flowerpots."
No, that had no relevancy to anything. I just felt like posting the poem.
lol
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The man has the right idea, but mandantory military service is not the answer.
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Warlock: Actually, the military's a big part of that problem, because it's what's keeping me from removing the other problem. That and the cops, but they're basically in-house military.
Ok... either you're a standard anarchist style teenager bent on the all time "I hate the Government and wanna kill them all" or you're completely missing a few hundred issues man.
Tell me how an E-1 up to an E-8 is causing a single political/worldly/lifestyle issue that affects you ?
Hell even 98% of the officers don't make the calls.
**** and Orders roll downhill.
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Diggers, likely on weed, STP, acid, and humanity.
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Warlock: I gots no problem with army men, person by person. I've got a problem with the army as a body. It's the organization that's death- not, really, the people. The people constitute the organization, but without it, they'd still be there, and the one can be extracted from the other.
But, like I said, army isn't my main problem, it's the government that's trying to get me killed by makng me join it, killing arresting my people, suspending the very rights it claims to stand for in order to **** over a few dissidents, and in other words BEING A VERY SERIOUS ****ING PROBLEM for us. I don't know about you all, and at the moment I'm not entirely interested, but for me and my comrades the government most certainly IS a problem, so long as the everpresent nagging risk of getting "dissapeared" is a problem. It's happened to people I know of, and it's happening to more all the time. And that is a problem for me, a very personal one. Got a problem with that?
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Diggers, likely on weed, STP, acid, and humanity.
ah...I see...
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Warlock: I gots no problem with army men, person by person. I've got a problem with the army as a body. It's the organization that's death- not, really, the people. The people constitute the organization, but without it, they'd still be there, and the one can be extracted from the other.
But, like I said, army isn't my main problem, it's the government that's trying to get me killed by makng me join it, killing arresting my people, suspending the very rights it claims to stand for in order to **** over a few dissidents, and in other words BEING A VERY SERIOUS ****ING PROBLEM for us. I don't know about you all, and at the moment I'm not entirely interested, but for me and my comrades the government most certainly IS a problem, so long as the everpresent nagging risk of getting "dissapeared" is a problem. It's happened to people I know of, and it's happening to more all the time. And that is a problem for me, a very personal one. Got a problem with that?
Where is anyone/thing forcing you to join anything ? This 'proposed' bill isn't going anywhere.....hell it's laughable the guy came up with it.
"killing arresting your ppl" :wtf:
Ok the last half just sounds like something that US kid that was working with Ossama's group would type. If you're THAT against the US ... you aren't forced to stay here man.
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try going to antarctica or something; you will get complete freedom. :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
try going to antarctica or something; you will get complete freedom. :D
:lol:
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Originally posted by CP5670
try going to antarctica or something; you will get complete freedom. :D
There are no grocrey stores or internet connections in antartice.
Death would be the only possible outcome
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Who says I'm talking about that bill?
And it ain't just "terrorists" getting arrested and dissapeared, man. I thought that was common knowledge by now, 's been going on for months. Comes from a very loose definition of "terrorist". VERY loose.
And I am more or less forced to be here- by fiscal limitations (I could probably afford a one-way ticket, but damn little else, and getting hired pretty rough in most countries, from what I hear), if not by the fact that practically, if not literally, every other country in the world is beholden to the US. A good number of them are even worse- a limited few are better, but they have their own problems, and, once again, in varying amounts still come under the long reach of the new US quasifascism.
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There are no grocrey stores or internet connections in antartice.
Death would be the only possible outcome
My point exactly; that's where anarchist-style freedom gets you. :D :D
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Who says I'm talking about that bill?
Then what the hell are you talking about ? Noone's FORCING you to join a damned thing. Hell not even your parents can force you into the army lol
And it ain't just "terrorists" getting arrested and dissapeared, man. I thought that was common knowledge by now, 's been going on for months. Comes from a very loose definition of "terrorist". VERY loose.
*shrug* Well I can't argue that since I don't know of anyone that's randomly vanished due to the government. I do know of a few X-girlfriends that seem to have fallen off the planet though.................hmmmmmmm conspiracy!
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*shrug* Well I can't argue that since I don't know of anyone that's randomly vanished due to the government. I do know of a few X-girlfriends that seem to have fallen off the planet though.................hmmmmmmm conspiracy!
Hey, this is starting to sound like the Deus Ex story! :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
Hey, this is starting to sound like the Deus Ex story! :D
LMAO The mission designer's going to screw us all over again! ARRRRRGHHHHH!!!
:lol:
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Hilarious. Well, you all enjoy the grand new world you're making for yourselves...
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Hilarious. Well, you all enjoy the grand new world you're making for yourselves...
Hmmmm
Decent home - check
Great relationship with GF - check
Healthy - check
Paid bills - partial check :D
Plenty of toys - check
etc etc
Well yea I'm pretty much enjoying it.
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:lol:
not again...not the newbie mission!! nooooo....
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edit, hmmm
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Originally posted by Analazon
:lol:
not again...not the newbie mission!! nooooo....
"Gradtitous Sathanthas in 5 seconds"
lmao
I loved that damned campaign :D
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I guess the problem is many people feel fundamentally "wrong" with things the way are currently, however as StrykeIX pointed out, there are no alternatives.
Your point about "going somewhere" else really isnt a valid one when every square millimetre of the earth is "owned" by someone. Everything is becoming locked down - how long until we lose the oppertunity for change, or any kind of evolution?
If you're happy with the way things are, thats great - im very glad for you. But try to think of how many peoples' heads you tread on to get there.
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I trod on a tramp's head this morning. But he was asking me for spare change, so he deserved it :nod:
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Originally posted by wEvil
I guess the problem is many people feel fundamentally "wrong" with things the way are currently, however as StrykeIX pointed out, there are no alternatives.
Your point about "going somewhere" else really isnt a valid one when every square millimetre of the earth is "owned" by someone. Everything is becoming locked down - how long until we lose the oppertunity for change, or any kind of evolution?
If you're happy with the way things are, thats great - im very glad for you. But try to think of how many peoples' heads you tread on to get there.
*thinks back*
Ummm hows not a single one. I've had my share of hardships in life. I just don't feel things should be handed to me either.
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neither do I, however, I think there are far too many people who don't get the recognition they deserve (im not saying i'm one of them, mind you).
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Originally posted by wEvil
neither do I, however, I think there are far too many people who don't get the recognition they deserve (im not saying i'm one of them, mind you).
In a country of 250 millon or so ppl ... a ****load will NOT get recognized for anything. It's a simple fact of life. We could change the Gov. 10 thousands times,... still won't help that issue a single bit though.
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Originally posted by wEvil
If you're happy with the way things are, thats great - im very glad for you. But try to think of how many peoples' heads you tread on to get there.
I'm pretty happy with my life, but I'm not happy with my country--after all, we have Bush as president and we have a bunch of (more than usually stupid) idiots in Congress AND we have a populace who is as bloody minded as our governing idiots.
Oh, and seem to recall not treading upon anyone but myself to get where I am, thanks much. I worked myself out of being a homeless college dropout with a 0.0 GPA to being a happily married, highly skilled, highly motivated systems administrator*. The US Navy had a hell of a lot to do with that complete turn around. It took boot camp to help me realise what sort of bipolar egotistical/self-loathing moron I was. I learned a work ethic--one far stronger than all but a very small percentage of civilians I've met since getting out. The Navy taught me that responsibility is a two way street, with those in charge just as responsible to the rank and file as the rank in file are responsible to those in authority. Civilians don't seem to understand THAT either. They don't hold their leaders accountable, and they expect not to be held accountable for anything either.
Don't dislike the military. Dislike the morons you help (passively or actively) get into office. That's like disliking doctors because hospital administration sucks.
wEvil, I know you don't have anything to do with my government, but your government isn't doing much right either (except the Beeb. :) love the Beeb).
* -- albeit it a currently laid off, jobless, dole-bludging happily married, highly skilled, highly motivated systems administrator. :D
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Warlock: That's hardly the point. Fairness surely doesn't come into the equation when a government exists where one can ascend to the top positions through inherrited wealth and influence.
Mikhael: Whilst boot camp and military life may have had a positive effect on you there are countless instances where it has caused mental perversion and had a profoundly negative effect. The percentage of homeless people that are ex servicepeople is disturbing to say the least.
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Originally posted by mikhael
wEvil, I know you don't have anything to do with my government, but your government isn't doing much right either (except the Beeb. :) love the Beeb).
I dislike my government even more, if possible :p
You have hit the nail on the head, however. People refuse to take responsibility for everyone else, therefore the social structure breaks down.
And humans are pack animals - we arent equipped to be loners. I fully expect to be held accountable for whatever I say on this board, and i'm also one of those people that feels accountable for others. Im not going to change, its just what I am.
Now i know its unfair to expect everyone else to be like that but come on - with just a little understanding and going out of your way to be nice to someone things will soon drastically change for the better.
I am against greed for that reason, its not that getting what you want through work is bad - its what it does to people internally. They become turned in on themselves and no longer want anything to do with people whom they determine "can't be bothered". Its just as bad a mental virus as communism, or fascism, or anything else you care to term the western world has produced propaganda against for the past 400 years.
Now maybe i havent explained myself well here, but i hope you get my point. Im not here to crap all over everything you guys have worked for - i want to make it better, but i just think if there's ever going to be that kind of change we need to attempt new things, because without that everything will assuredly turn degenerate. And all you have to do is look at the music charts or go to a cinema to see how few new ideas and concepts are being generated - It's scary.
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Originally posted by Top Gun
Warlock: That's hardly the point. Fairness surely doesn't come into the equation when a government exists where one can ascend to the top positions through inherrited wealth and influence.
And ? I mean damn go figure Gov. members are high percentage from weathly families. The education needed isn't cheap. I don't think nor desire educational facilities to make themselves free,...they have to fund themselves somehow and I'd much rather the ppl attending pay for that than every single person in the country (taxes)
Mikhael: Whilst boot camp and military life may have had a positive effect on you there are countless instances where it has caused mental perversion and had a profoundly negative effect. The percentage of homeless people that are ex servicepeople is disturbing to say the least.
Just like any other statical data this can be applied to numberous cases. Fact is the US military does a hell of alot to assist service members that are completing their tour od duty. Roughly one year prior to the end of your tour you start working with ACAP on a resume and job contacts, hell more than 90% of my friends that left service had a job BEFORE they got out. Military has numberous services set up to help ppl prepare for life outside of the military,....but it takes something alot of ppl don't want to do....effort. I've seen alot of homeless,...ex army and some never in service,..90% have one thing in common...they want ppl to just GIVE them whatever. Go up to a homeless person and offer to feed them in exchange for them doing simple tasks (yardwork for example),....chances are they'll just tell you to give them $10 and leave them be.
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Originally posted by Warlock
And ? I mean damn go figure Gov. members are high percentage from weathly families. The education needed isn't cheap. I don't think nor desire educational facilities to make themselves free,...they have to fund themselves somehow and I'd much rather the ppl attending pay for that than every single person in the country (taxes)
It's nice to see a display from someone with a mentality devoted to such complete self serrvitude, layed as bare as it is in that statement, without hypocracy or attempt at justification. I trust you're in the echelon which is able to afford this privelaged education. From this we'll have to oppose, discussion is pointless.
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Originally posted by Top Gun
It's nice to see a display from someone with a mentality devoted to such complete self serrvitude, layed as bare as it is in that statement, without hypocracy or attempt at justification. I trust you're in the echelon which is able to afford this privelaged education. From this we'll have to oppose, discussion is pointless.
Ok so now you're re-wording things eh ? :D
See this is where assuming things ****s you,...because no I am not from a wealthy family. In fact my father was a carpenter until just a few years ago,... I've lived and seen our family struggle through rough times ... hell times when I was a small child that my father literally went hunting to FEED us. Am I upset about it ? Not really. Yea it was ****ty seeing my father get laid off because a contractor could hire 30 Mexicans at $3 an hour to replace his crews (fact not sarcasim here ppl,...sorry if it offends) but in stead of whining about the Government and demanding someone 'help' our family, we pushed on. Now my father's the Construction Coordinator for Herino County, pulling in great pay for him and mom,...Mom's near retirement from her job as a CT Technician at the Hospital near them.
Me ? I joined the ARMY to get a higher education. I'm currently setting up extra college course for nightstudy even.
So how do you 'trust' I'm from that 'echelon' that can afford higher education when in fact I and my family had to bust our white asses to get to where we're at in life ? God you have to love when ppl that don't even life in your country think they know enough to make "educated" guesses about it. :lol:
I nearly forgot : As to the whole selfservitude BS,... Ummm lesse,... 5 years service in the Army, spent my High school years doing community service with my ROTC group, and fact is that anyone that knows me knows all they need to ever do is call me and I'm there to lend them a hand with anything they may need.
Just thought i'd help ya get some facts mixed into all that fiction k?
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Well, im sorry to hear that Warlock.
Here in the UK things are slightly different - getting into higher education is quite alot easier, as the govornment gives us a loan (not a GRANT - a loan, IE we now have to pay it back...which is funny considering the taxes went up instead of down to counter it)
My family has had it very rough since 1990, and we're only just recovering - although with both my parents pushing their early/mid 50's its getting a little late in the game. Hell - we dont even have a house.
Anyway, there isnt a point to this other than saying "i'm worse off than you".
My point is that is people who found it no strain just eased up a little and started shifting all that wealth around instead of hanging onto it until the bitter end - when, i might add, you can't even take it with you - things would generally be much better.
I understand people want their kids to have enough money to live off when they die etc. etc. etc....but come on - do we really need this much stuff?!
Before you ask, i use (or will use) my computer to earn my living. But thats about the only high-value item I own. I find extraneous wealth pointless after you have what you need - you're better off giving it away to someone who really needs it. Not that I currently HAVE much extraneous wealth.
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Warlock: It was quite wrong of me to assume, I admit. It is not the least bit logical that your stace with reguards to politics is as it is, indeed I assumed better of you.
I would have thought such hardship would have cultivated well justified resentment of a system that lets an excessively wealthy semi-retard (as an example) into the upmost position of power whilst actively blocking the intelligent from poorer backgrounds from persuing the same path. and I quote you "Gov. members are high percentage from weathly families. The education needed isn't cheap." One should then deduce from that, that your statistical chance of 'doing well in life' from a careerist's point of view, if you have descended from a poor background is considerably lower.
I assume again that you aknowledge the fact that your current prosperity has not been achieved through work alone, a great deal of luck is also needed. The above quoted statement is an aknowledgement of a non merirocratic society. Why do you view poverty as a test of character, and the recognition of the unfairness in the distribution of wealth an admission of weakness and defeatism? Your use of the phrase "whining to the government" interests me. Are you trying to state that life is fair when you and many others are forced to "hunt for a living" whilst others live in vulgar luxury without lifting a finger. Is 'whinging to the government' supposed to be an act of greed an act of greed that you should expect to be payed with adequate wage?
Your defence of a system which has tolerated you going through such hardship, allowing escape from it to be difficult, yet allowing the inherritance of such unneccessary wealth and influence to those who have made no positive contribution to society is a betrayal to all those who are facing the same troubles you had.
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Originally posted by wEvil
Well, im sorry to hear that Warlock.
Here in the UK things are slightly different - getting into higher education is quite alot easier, as the govornment gives us a loan (not a GRANT - a loan, IE we now have to pay it back...which is funny considering the taxes went up instead of down to counter it)
My family has had it very rough since 1990, and we're only just recovering - although with both my parents pushing their early/mid 50's its getting a little late in the game. Hell - we dont even have a house.
Anyway, there isnt a point to this other than saying "i'm worse off than you".
My point is that is people who found it no strain just eased up a little and started shifting all that wealth around instead of hanging onto it until the bitter end - when, i might add, you can't even take it with you - things would generally be much better.
I understand people want their kids to have enough money to live off when they die etc. etc. etc....but come on - do we really need this much stuff?!
Before you ask, i use (or will use) my computer to earn my living. But thats about the only high-value item I own. I find extraneous wealth pointless after you have what you need - you're better off giving it away to someone who really needs it. Not that I currently HAVE much extraneous wealth.
The only reason I said what I did was to counter Top Gun's notions that since I don't agree that highere Ed should be handed out and I've known more homeless that refuse to help themselves instead of wait for a handout,...then i must be part of his evil wealthy classification.
Anyways no need to be sorry, I'm the man I am now because of how I got here. I'm quite proud to be able to look back and see that everything I have in life was earned and not given to me ;)
As far as the Loans, we've got Student loans here also, just most of the ppl I know that applied for and received them (which most that applied got it) then had debt problems from paying it all back. Sadly that's mostly due to the fact that 75% of my friends that went to college took majors in silly "fun" courses,...while majoring in Literature and such might be enjoyable, unless you plan to become a teacher half the time it's not practical :)
Also honestly I never expect to see a "joint wealth" concept actually happen in my lifetime, or anyones for quite sometime. It's human nature to work to achive a higher station, but its also human nature to not want to give away what you've worked for. It's a grand idea, just not something I think would ever happen.
**EDIT** heh sorry I mistakingly replied within the middle of the quote :lol:
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I understand people want their kids to have enough money to live off when they die etc. etc. etc....but come on - do we really need this much stuff?!
Well, here is the thing; what really do we need? The simple answer is nothing, not even things like air, water and so on. Sure, they are necessary for physical survival and health, but why in the world is that important? And if it is somehow necessary, why not anything else as well? (e.g. becoming Gates-type multibillionaires and buying all these luxuries) Everyone seems to have their own almost aribitrary idea of what is necessary, which dictates what they do in their lives, but none of these necessities are absolutely objective.
One thing I will say here is that I do indeed like communism as a principle, but not because it makes a better life for the average man or anything, but rather because it dulls the individual and strengthens the institution (under ideal circumstances, anyway). However, as Warlock said, the current capitalist system will probably be around for at least our lifetimes.
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Originally posted by Top Gun
It was quite wrong of me to assume, I admit. It is not the least bit logical that your stace with reguards to politics is as it is, indeed I assumed better of you.
I would have thought such hardship would have cultivated well justified resentment of a system that lets an excessively wealthy semi-retard (as an example) into the upmost position of power whilst actively blocking the intelligent from poorer backgrounds from persuing the same path. and I quote you "Gov. members are high percentage from weathly families. The education needed isn't cheap." One should then deduce from that, that your statistical chance of 'doing well in life' from a careerist's point of view, if you have descended from a poor background is considerably lower.
I assume again that you aknowledge the fact that your current prosperity has not been achieved through work alone. The above quoted statement is an aknowledgement of a non merirocratic society. Why do you view poverty as a test of character, and the recognition of the unfairness in the distribution of wealth an admission of weakness and defeatism? Your defence of a system which has tolerated you going through such hardship, allowing escape from it to be difficult, yet allowing the inherritance of such unneccessary wealth and influence to those who have made no positive contribution to society is a betrayal to all those who are facing the same troubles you had.
I don't view poverty as a test of character,...I view LIFE as a test of it.
My defence of the system is based on the fact that if I WANTED to strive for a political career...I COULD have. Fact is I decided on a military career when I was 10,...once I was in Jr. High and able to enroll in JRotc, I did and used that as a 'test' of military lifestyle (albeit a minor one) and thus decided my course in life, 7 days after grad, I was in Bootcamp.
And if you lived here and saw what I see daily...you'd know the 'system' and society isn't betraying ppl with troubles,...in fact it's helping TOO much.
Welfare : You have NO idea just how many ppl life off a state funded check each month yet find excuses NOT to educate themselves in order to be able to live off their OWN means. (Yes I have personally known ppl living on welfare and flat ass refusing to take a job (If i work they'll cut my check). Do you have any clue as to how many single mothers on welfare constantly have MORE children in order to increase that same check?? Hell the state not only gives them a check, it adds to that check food stamps , and offers to help train them for work, childcare, etc.
If you're curious...I once dated someone that was living off the state,..I left her for the sole fact she refused to work because her 2 year old daughter was too young to be in daycare while she worked instead of just staying home and getting a check and food stamps.
Hell just the other night on the News was a story,...one of those nice little tearjerking help this poor SOB out types,..about a DRUGDEALER,...that was shot in a gang fighter and paralyised (sp?), then recently had his specially equiped car stolen from him,...and how they've contacted a local dealer that had the same model about GIVING the car to him as a replacement!
I see **** like that on the news almost every night. But you say MY system LETS ppl in hardships suffer ? ? ?
**THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO COME OFF AS RACIST**
Do you know that as a white male I've got LESS assistance to a higher education ? Nearly EVERY minority has a minority specific education fund. While 40 years ago I could see this,....I thought the goal was equality, not give me extra.
Sorry nothing against ethics ,... just an example of how the 'evil system in the US' is helping,...not abandoning.
Ok I'll stop ranting for a moment ;)
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Originally posted by CP5670
Everyone seems to have their own almost aribitrary idea of what is necessary, which dictates what they do in their lives, but none of these necessities are absolutely objective.
Of course that's true but for that to have not been a hypocritical statement is impossible. (Fancy giving up maths?). To quote Nietzche 'In order to evaluate life, one must niether be living not dead.'
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Sure, why not? To tell you the truth, I only go with math because everything else in the universe is much worse. "Necessity" doesn't mean anything.
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were you going to reply to that post at the top or just quote it and make it look pretty? opps...sorry, you did reply to it, my bad.
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Originally posted by CP5670
Sure, why not? To tell you the truth, I only go with math because everything else in the universe is much worse.
Read as:
I fear the real world :)
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Originally posted by wEvil
were you going to reply to that post at the top or just quote it and make it look pretty? opps...sorry, you did reply to it, my bad.
Heh no worries ... after you said that it took me a minute to find my own comments and seperate them,..since I kinna just spliced them right in the middle of yours :D
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Originally posted by Warlock
Welfare : You have NO idea just how many ppl life off a state funded check each month ...
Hey, I'm one of those people living off a state funded check each week right now... ;) Not for much longer, I hope.
Do you know that as a white male I've got LESS assistance to a higher education ? Nearly EVERY minority has a minority specific education fund. While 40 years ago I could see this,....I thought the goal was equality, not give me extra.
I'm one of those ethinics, Warlock. When I started on my path to college (the first time), I was deluged with every pamphlet ever for helping good Puerto Rican Catholics get an education. I passed all of them up. I greatly dislike the idea that not only do I get offered special treatment because I'm "a minority", but I also get special aid. Its bull****.
One of the things that I liked about the army growing up, and the Navy as a servicemember, was that we didn't have a lot of "race". Everyone was "military" and that was it. Maybe we just got lucky in our postings, my father and I, I dunno. I never experienced honest to goodness racism until we moved to North Carolina and moved off base.
Bah. Give me the military any day.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Hey, I'm one of those people living off a state funded check each week right now... ;) Not for much longer, I hope.
Actually if you mean unemployment that's alot different. For one it's funded by employers, their taxes account for it (Like last time I was out of work because it wasn't a layoff the VA UnEmp office had to have a "hearing" between myself and my previous employer to see if I qualified for UnEmp Assistance because if I did (which I did) it came from their buisness, not the state. Plus UnEmp is also limited, the amount is based off an average of your past year's wages plus a time limit on how long you can recieve it plus you have to submit a record of job contacts made weekly in order to get that weeks check.
I'm one of those ethinics, Warlock. When I started on my path to college (the first time), I was deluged with every pamphlet ever for helping good Puerto Rican Catholics get an education. I passed all of them up. I greatly dislike the idea that not only do I get offered special treatment because I'm "a minority", but I also get special aid. Its bull****.
One of the things that I liked about the army growing up, and the Navy as a servicemember, was that we didn't have a lot of "race". Everyone was "military" and that was it. Maybe we just got lucky in our postings, my father and I, I dunno. I never experienced honest to goodness racism until we moved to North Carolina and moved off base.
Bah. Give me the military any day.
Thank you for not taking my comment in a poor light,..I was worried that someone would just jump on it without understanding :)
And it wasn't just where you and your father were stationed,..the 5 years I was in I don't recall any racisit remarks even,...closest thing was certain types of ppl always bonded closer, which is merely natural of course,...but I could walk up to ANY fellow soldier and talk about or ask/give assistance on anything without ever worrying over racial issues.
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*sees average post lenght increase*
Oh blimey... it's turning in to one of those threads. Soon enough the only people who post in it will be CP and Stryke...
<-- Too lazy to read threads when they get this long...
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Originally posted by Warlock
Actually if you mean unemployment that's alot different. For one it's funded by employers, their taxes account for it (Like last time I was out of work because it wasn't a layoff the VA UnEmp office had to have a "hearing" between myself and my previous employer to see if I qualified for UnEmp Assistance because if I did (which I did) it came from their buisness, not the state. Plus UnEmp is also limited, the amount is based off an average of your past year's wages plus a time limit on how long you can recieve it plus you have to submit a record of job contacts made weekly in order to get that weeks check.
Yeah, I know. The funny thing is that my income form the unemployment check is more than my wife's nominal income. :D
I just got word (mere minutes ago) that I have an interview for a job that will pay about the same as my unemployment benefit. At least it will be work though. I like work. :D
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*sees average post lenght increase*
essays are soon to come ;7
Read as:
I fear the real world
Actually, it's more like "I hate the real world." :D There are many things that are great about it, but there is equally a lot that is really despicable. (and by real world I mean all of absolute existence, including universal laws, processes of discovery, and so on)
As for the racism thing, I have not really experienced much of it in my lifetime but might run into the problem a bit when applying for universities given my indian ethnicity. I don't know why they want "ethnic diversity" over capable students even in the topmost universities, because this concept is pretty ridiculous; for example, if they have only one spot and have to choose between me and say, a guy with slightly lesser credentials but of arab ethnicity, they will definitely choose the latter. So I was thinking, what if someone just changes their name to something that sounds like its from some more favored ethnicity, and put down that as the race on all the application forms, are they actually going to check? :D
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Originally posted by mikhael
Yeah, I know. The funny thing is that my income form the unemployment check is more than my wife's nominal income. :D
I just got word (mere minutes ago) that I have an interview for a job that will pay about the same as my unemployment benefit. At least it will be work though. I like work. :D
Congrats buddy! :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
So I was thinking, what if someone just changes their name to something that sounds like its from some more favored ethnicity, and put down that as the race on all the application forms, are they actually going to check? :D
Probably not because by checking they'd be accused of racism.:doubt: Its all really getting very silly. :blah:
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I am now known as Takiesha "Leather Lovin'" Sky Eagle.:D
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Originally posted by Warlock
Do you know that as a white male I've got LESS assistance to a higher education ? Nearly EVERY minority has a minority specific education fund. While 40 years ago I could see this,....I thought the goal was equality, not give me extra.
:lol: so true...it is hardest to get a job/scholarship if you are an average white male
I don't know why I find that so amusing...I'm only a sleightly above average white male...
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heheheh
you guys don't know how to go about it.. job assistance is all in the way you present it.
Perform sexual favors for the (hopefully female) boss, badda bing badda boom.
:thepimp:
Oh yeah, sucks for white guys
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...But if you're trying to get help from a male boss, you're just totally screwed up the ass.
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I couldn't put it a better way.
So all white guys have to do (if you want to stay a heterosexual virgin) is move to some country where they like white people.. say.. south africa?
ok maybe I shouldn't, but it feels so right
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The South.;)
Some things never change. Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, and South Carolina are among them.
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
...But if you're trying to get help from a male boss, you're just totally screwed up the ass.
Reminds me of my old boss. Campest mother****er I ever did meet.
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Have we rioted yet?