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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: aldo_14 on September 16, 2001, 04:01:00 pm
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I was doing some research for a model when I came across this on an RAF site;
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/airpower/images/jsf_boe1.jpg)
One of 2 designs for the Uk-Us 'Joint Strike fighter' programme, replacing the Harrier and SeaHarrier, incorporating stealth technology.... pretty cool stuff, considering the combat effectiveness of the original harrier (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
http://www.raf.mod.uk/airpower/jsf.html (//"http://www.raf.mod.uk/airpower/jsf.html")
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Ach. Stupid JSF. That's the Boeing model, which looks like a fat fish.
The Lockheed version just looks like a mini F-22.
My personal favorites for looks are X-29, F-22, F-15F, and the Saab Viggen.
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That one may perform, but it won't win a single beauty contest. Hell, I think and A-10 would beat that ugly bird out.
And did you see the mouth on that thing. Yuck!
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Asthetics are cool but lets face it that thing was designed with asthetics being a secondary consideration, if it does what it was designed to do then you can just add a lick O' paint later (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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put it this way, i'd want a plane that could kick *** instead of a pretty plane
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I like the X-35 much, much, much better. Yes, it does look a lot like the F-22, but is that really a bad thing? The F-22 looks sweet, and IMHO the X-35 looks even sweeter.
The F-16 is easily my favorite fighter currently in existence, and the X-35, if chosen, looks to be a worthy successor. If the X-32 turns out to be better, so be it...but it IS ugly as sin.
Here's both of my current favorites together. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
(http://www.lmtas.com/image_gallery/pr_photos/jsfpr_photos/jsf_1stflight/images/x35c/X35053425.jpg)
So, to make this thread somewhat relevant to modding...who's going to break these babies into FS? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Anduril (edited 09-16-2001).]
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My all time favourite design is the YF23, and the su27 is not far behind (and the rafale is right behind) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Well, my fav ones are the F-15(High altitude dogfight), F-14(multi-role and versatility), and F-16(Low altitude dogfight). Migs are good, but they lack alot in avionics and software...
Also, I don't think that the fighter that aldo posted is that ugly, it is quite a cute actually (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Plus, a beautiful fighter isn't necessary in the war, unless they figh saying, "my plane is more beautiful than yours!!!" (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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I like the YF-22 and 23 The sukoi-27 and 37.The mig-29,The Eurofighter 2000 the F-15 16 and 18.The Russions Sukoi's and migs have better erodynamics then the Western ones.But indeed they suck becuase the lack electronics.
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Some famous aircraft engineer said that a beautiful plane flyes better than an ugly one...
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Probably the designer of the Spitfire.
Raven, do you even know what an F-14 was defined for? It's a pure interceptor (possibly the best carrier based one), designed to take out six Soviet nuclear bombers each. Defender of the fleet. Multi-role? They're working on that but it takes a lot to turn a pure blooded interceptor into a ground attack bird.
You might be thinking of the F/A-18 Hornet. And F-16's are great as ground attack fighters, for some odd reason.
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I'd rather see it at an air show pulling off cool acrobatics than seeing it bomb the hell out of something. On the spitfire subject I actually thought the merlin engine in the plane was a work of art.
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Originally posted by Eishtmo:
Probably the designer of the Spitfire.
You might be thinking of the F/A-18 Hornet. And F-16's are great as ground attack fighters, for some odd reason.
I don't remember why, but I know they had a special nightvision device whish is really efficient
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Originally posted by Maeglamor:
I'd rather see it at an air show pulling off cool acrobatics than seeing it bomb the hell out of something. On the spitfire subject I actually thought the merlin engine in the plane was a work of art.
Really? The Sptifire had problems with steep climbs, the engine cutting out - it was the only major thing the German aircraft had over it.
Personally, I actually rather like that JSF design.
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The F-18 rules (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (yes, F-18, over here they've been fitted to act as interceptors, since we don't really have much use for heavily offensive planes). The Hornet is evilly manouverable.
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Originally posted by Jabu:
The F-18 rules (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (yes, F-18, over here they've been fitted to act as interceptors, since we don't really have much use for heavily offensive planes). The Hornet is evilly manouverable.
Heehee... the chances of anyone wanting to invade Finalnd are about the same as anyone declaring war on Scotland...
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I love the EuroFighter design . It's almost as nice as the early design pics of it.
Then again I've got to say that, I work on it.
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Originally posted by WraithHost:
I love the EuroFighter design . It's almost as nice as the early design pics of it.
Then again I've got to say that, I work on it.
can i get a shot then? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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yeh sure , I'll just ask my boss if I can borrow one.
What that you say P60? and don't let the door hit my *** on the way out?
Perhaps not. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
The concet pic had 2 tail fins coming out of the wings about 1/3 of the way out from the central Hull, if yoy know what I mean.
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Originally posted by Eishtmo:
Probably the designer of the Spitfire.
Raven, do you even know what an F-14 was defined for? It's a pure interceptor (possibly the best carrier based one), designed to take out six Soviet nuclear bombers each. Defender of the fleet. Multi-role? They're working on that but it takes a lot to turn a pure blooded interceptor into a ground attack bird.
You might be thinking of the F/A-18 Hornet. And F-16's are great as ground attack fighters, for some odd reason.
Ok, then I didn't use the right word... versatile, it may be it, because watch: they can be used everywhere, due to the articulated wings... of course they were mad for interceptor, but they also perform great on many tasks... believe me. with closed wings it can fly balistic trough base defences and outruna lot of things, with wings opened they can maneuvre quite well, of course it is shoing its ages, but I still consider it a good fighter... and I ment the F-14 Tomcat, not the F-18 Hornet...
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What about the Tornado? ok it's showing it's age but there is something about it's lines that just say 'powerhouse' (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) unlike an a-10 which has lines that say 'outhouse' (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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I prefer the mig 24 to the tornado, in the same kind of design. the 24 is even more bulkier, but has better specs.
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Originally posted by venom2506:
I don't remember why, but I know they had a special nightvision device whish is really efficient
you answered your own question..
and its the SU-24 not MiG-24.
(http://www.voodoo.cz/yf23/b/yf2321.jpg)
(http://www.voodoo.cz/yf23/b/yf2318.jpg)
(http://www.voodoo.cz/yf23/b/yf2324.jpg)
edit: Someone has to put these things in FS/IW2
[This message has been edited by PhReAk (edited 09-17-2001).]
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MiG-24? What's that? What's the NATO designation and what does it do? Or do you mean Su-24 Fencer? I thought the closest to 24 was the MiG-23 Flogger and the MiG-25 Foxbat.
In a pure looks contest, I like the '22, the X-29. In capabilities, I think that the F-16 is the best all-around fighter (in terms of maintainbility, cost, and performance) in the world. The F-22 is the best air superiority and the F-14 is the best interceptor with the MiG-31 close behind. Imagine putting AIM-54Cs on F-22 (true, it'll probably spoil all stealth and handling and give it one hell of an extra weight, but...).
Just wondering, what is the effectiveness of the Phoenix? I highly doubt one AIM-54C could down a Backfire bomber or a AS-4 or AS-6. I thought like 3 were shot at each one.
As for fighter-bombers, how's the Su-27? I mean, what's point of having them on Kuznetsov if they can't do any ground damage? Probably the F-15E is the best fighter-bomber though. For pure bomber, of course, it's the B-2. The Tu-32 and the B-1B are pretty closely matched though.
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mig24 and su24 have about the same role. I konw the sturmovik too lol (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
rahh, the YF23 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) Btw, the YF21 from robotech looks a lot like the 23 (and I made this one for FS2, gee, my first FS2 model, I must say btw (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) )
link:
http://www.geocities.com/venom250681/yf21.jpg ("http://www.geocities.com/venom250681/yf21.jpg")
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YF-21? What's that? What project? What did it do?
Yeah, it did look a lot like the '23, except for the triangular wings. Those are some pretty wild colors Venom, but good job.
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Originally posted by Tachnyrus:
the F-14 is the best interceptor with the MiG-31 close behind
don't be ridiculous. How can you class planes like that? as an interceptor, what do you need? a plane that brings quickly lots of missile to range. Knowing that russian gots missiles as good as US ones, that the Mig31 flys at mach3 (f14 hardly mach2), and the 31 gots a better carrying capacity, the 31 is way better than the f14 for interception.
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Originally posted by Tachnyrus:
YF-21? What's that? What project? What did it do?
Yeah, it did look a lot like the '23, except for the triangular wings. Those are some pretty wild colors Venom, but good job.
colours from the show. It's from macross actually, since robotech never featured more than the first macross saga in it's own plotline. Anyway this model was done for Max Sterling's Robotech mod
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Actually, Russians have better cruise missiles in the speed and hard-to-intercept catagory. American Tomahawks and ALCMs have better accuracy, but are slow, and fly in a straight line (so do Russian cruise missiles, but they fly at Mach 2-3+, making them much harder to intercept and some are faster than the Phoenix itself [I think]).
Last time I checked, the Foxhound could carry 4 missiles (AA-9 Amos or AA-10 Alamo). The Tomcat could (theoretically) carry up to 6 Phoenix. In reality though, they'd have a very hard time taking off with that load, and would have a very short loiter time. So, the F-14 probably only carries 4 AIM-54s, which have a range of excess of 100km.
Who knows? Is it true that a Su-32 could outmaneuver a F-22? I heard somewhere that the Russians fighters are more geared toward close-in dogfighting than long/medium range missile shooting. A lot of people consider F-16 superior to the MiG-29, even though the Fulcrum could out-maneuver the Falcon anyday of the week.
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Originally posted by Tachnyrus:
Actually, Russians have better cruise missiles in the speed and hard-to-intercept catagory. American Tomahawks and ALCMs have better accuracy, but are slow, and fly in a straight line (so do Russian cruise missiles, but they fly at Mach 2-3+, making them much harder to intercept and some are faster than the Phoenix itself [I think]).
Last time I checked, the Foxhound could carry 4 missiles (AA-9 Amos or AA-10 Alamo). The Tomcat could (theoretically) carry up to 6 Phoenix. In reality though, they'd have a very hard time taking off with that load, and would have a very short loiter time. So, the F-14 probably only carries 4 AIM-54s, which have a range of excess of 100km.
Who knows? Is it true that a Su-32 could outmaneuver a F-22? I heard somewhere that the Russians fighters are more geared toward close-in dogfighting than long/medium range missile shooting. A lot of people consider F-16 superior to the MiG-29, even though the Fulcrum could out-maneuver the Falcon anyday of the week.
Indeed the sukio's and migs are good in close combat they can easly out manouver the f-16 f-18 and i think maby the F-22 but whats the use of it if you get shotdown from 200km.They lack electronical systems.But the Helmet whit a tageting system in it for it's AA missiles is a rather nice system.
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the f16 is better in close combat to the mig29 coz the 29 is heavier, and his engines are more powerful, so the f16 can take tigher turns. Anyway, on standard long range attack (not dogfight), they're as good.
the sukoi series based on the Fllanker structure are amazing. A su can fly super critic angles w/o vectoring thrusters. Imagine what it can do agaisnt even a f22. the f22 has a lower payload, or must sacrifice his stealh abilities and good maneuvrability if it takes missiles on wing pods. The su27 in dogfight is definitively better. Anyway, on long range fight, I think stealth tech (for now) prevails.
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Here are some links whit info and pics on the SU-37 http://www.danshistory.com/su37.html ("http://www.danshistory.com/su37.html")
http://www.sci.fi/~fta/Su-27.htm ("http://www.sci.fi/~fta/Su-27.htm")
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su37/ ("http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su37/")
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Well, the only models that really looks like the original is the fulcrum. Otherwise, i'm not sure about that YF24... You have real pics of it? Oh, and someone could post picsof the Su... the one that kindda look like the YF23. It looks awesome, but I don't remember it quite well, dunno what's up with this one, but it was on a good way to be the best fighter ever...
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F-22 has gotta be my favourite of all time, but I do kinda take a liking to the Fulcrum. That is a great looking fighter. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Oh and of course, I'm partial to the American E-3 Sentry (is it made by Boeing?). (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Which is the Fulcrum?
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Which is the Fulcrum?
the mig29
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Eeh... have lots of Migs in my stock library. I think the RDS dudes were Russians (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
But they really do shine at modern military gear... so I pimp. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Venom, you really should make the F-23....
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
lots of Migs in my stock library.
Take off every MiG//
sorry i couldnt resist (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by PhReAk:
Venom, you really should make the F-23....
sorry, I can't make everything.
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Originally posted by venom2506:
Some famous aircraft engineer said that a beautiful plane flyes better than an ugly one...
Tell the designer of the F-4U Corsair that. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by venom2506:
don't be ridiculous. How can you class planes like that? as an interceptor, what do you need? a plane that brings quickly lots of missile to range. Knowing that russian gots missiles as good as US ones, that the Mig31 flys at mach3 (f14 hardly mach2), and the 31 gots a better carrying capacity, the 31 is way better than the f14 for interception.
The '31 also has major engine trouble. Tends to go 'flame-out' under hard acceleration... (this is outta the horse's mouth from a captured/rescued russian pilot when they tried to 'buzz' the USS Independance).
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
The '31 also has major engine trouble. Tends to go 'flame-out' under hard acceleration... (this is outta the horse's mouth from a captured/rescued russian pilot when they tried to 'buzz' the USS Independance).
I think that's US intelligence propaganda. Russians engines are excellent. This was probably a way to say: show, their planes aren't that good.
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No, that's what they said after we fished thier dumb asses out of the water after they tried to run away from our F-14s. I was on the damn ship that day.
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
No, that's what they said after we fished thier dumb asses out of the water after they tried to run away from our F-14s. I was on the damn ship that day.
ah, well, I suppose this can happen to any plane no? (the engine "eats" a bird for exemple)
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Originally posted by Raven2001:
Migs are good, but they lack alot in avionics and software...
Migs have no range.. even with the drop pods...
they burn up their fuel too fast....
they werent designed to last... just to get up in the air and take out as many planes as possible before getting splashed....
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Two planes? On the same day? During the same incident? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif) Of course this happened back when the bird was still pretty new, the prob may have been corrected by now.
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If you study most Warsaw pact equipment you'll find the same "shock-trooper" mentality (ships, tanks, most MiGs). But you'll also find that thier artillery is pretty scary, as are thier helos. Most of thier later stuff is also pretty good (MiG-29, SU-27), but it wasn't produced in much quantity before they went bankrupt...
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I like the Fulcrum, by looks, and it does have a good armament.
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Actually, I've changed my mind. Gimme a Comanche. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Setekh, that's cheating. No changing aircraft types! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Actually, I've changed my mind. Gimme a Comanche. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
What's with the comanche btw? what's up with it?
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I think the RAH-66 Comanche is a scout helicoptor. It is supposed to be very quiet and quite stealthy. It has some chaingun and also 6 hellfires or stingers or something. Was in Tom Clancy's Debt of Honor...
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Originally posted by Tachnyrus:
I think the RAH-66 Comanche is a scout helicoptor. It is supposed to be very quiet and quite stealthy. It has some chaingun and also 6 hellfires or stingers or something. Was in Tom Clancy's Debt of Honor...
Thanx, I know what the comanche is, since gunship2000, it's even made by boeing. I wanted to know what was up with it.
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Hasn't been deployed yet to the best of my knowledge.
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Yeah...what IS up with that helicopter? I also learned about it from GS2000(a true classic (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)) and haven't seen a whole lot of it since then...
There is a little info here, but not much on the development schedule. It is a dang fine looking chopper though. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
http://www.boeing.com/rotorcraft/military/rah66/index.htm ("http://www.boeing.com/rotorcraft/military/rah66/index.htm")
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Originally posted by Anduril:
Yeah...what IS up with that helicopter? I also learned about it from GS2000(a true classic (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)) and haven't seen a whole lot of it since then...
heh! don't forget the "comanche" series from Novalogic (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Btw the 4th one is under prod, and they finally left Voxel for a (trully) kick-a$$ 3D engine.
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I love the Comanche. Paper-thin armour though, so if it gets hit it's a goner, but I like the stealth and jtus the sleek design. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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This is just pure speculation on my part so don't quote me but I think what happened to the Commanche is the death of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war.
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I'd like a UD-4, thank you very much. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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The HaKa 52 Hokum (Russian Design) is the most beatiful helicopter i ever seen (the only thing that suck is the way they designed pilot seats, thei're just like cars (roadsters).
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Bin Ladem could already be dead, and american soldiers and pilots wouldn't risk their lives.
Not to hunt only one man, but to crush an whole country (in the good way, those talibans are dumb asses).
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