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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Starfury on January 07, 2003, 10:22:24 pm
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Thankfully, not my computer. :)
No, this is my brother's computer. Specs:
Elitegroup Motherboard... not sure which, but I could probably find out.
256MB DDR RAM
40 gig hard drive
SB Live! Gamer (not 5.0)
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Oh yeah, Windows ME... yeah I know, it sucks, but...
I'm not all that familiar with his computer unfortunately. But here's the problem. His computer, after he uses it for a while, will (I think) start resetting every few seconds, and (I know) the monitor stays in sleep mode. I've tried replacing his GeForce 2MX with Herc GF2 that I know works, so that's not it. I've never encountered this sort of thing before, so I need help. I'll provide whatever information that I can for questions... but I've racked my brain and can't figure it out. Please help!
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try re-seating the memory...worked on my bro's comp...
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Originally posted by Starfury
Oh yeah, Windows ME... yeah I know, it sucks, but...
Errr...ME sucks? Well...Win98 and XP sucks but ME... :blah:
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Errr...ME sucks? Well...Win98 and XP sucks but ME... :blah:
that statement is one of the oddest I've seen yet. plz tell me you're joking.
ME is teh bugparty. XP is teh own, 98 is okay for a non-NT MS OS.
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Originally posted by kode
that statement is one of the oddest I've seen yet. plz tell me you're joking.
ME is teh bugparty. XP is teh own, 98 is okay for a non-NT MS OS.
I admit that ME is buggy but at least it is/will not...
1. ...freeze during the main Windows installation. (Win98)
2. ...freeze five times a day (Win98)
3. ...require at least 256 megs of ram and a massive power computer to run as it should be (WinXP)
4. ...have problem with all kind of older programs and games (WinXP)
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yeah but it wont
leme copy ur listing style :D
1. ... freeze during the main Windows installation. (WinME - hey well :D)
2. ... tell me that i dont have a mainboard installed and should put one in at the first bootup (WinME)
3. ...start getting realy slow after a few hours of using(WinME 256mb ram)
4. ... ***** about stuff that shouldnt be there at all (all M$ OS :D )
5. ... completly die without any reason or any way to get it working again after 2 weeks (WinME)
now to that reset problem
after a while it just resets and the is more or less stuck in reseting ? right ?
if so do you hear some sort of clicks NOT coming from hdd ?
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The only thing I agree with is point 5. I still love WinME :p
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
2. ...freeze five times a day (Win98)
only 5??? i'm currentley at about 10, with win98se, 196mb sdram and 800mhz:rolleyes:
and BTW, win me is about the most stable version of windows i've seen for a long time, and if you count all versions without service packs, win me is the best. i had it running on 6 compaq's with just 128mb, and 333mhz, for 3 weeks, without updates or chrashes. nothing form m$ beats that! :doubt:
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5 times a day when you're doing nothing with it... :rolleyes:
And WinME rules.
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5 times at least, and every time you try to run just a few (j/k) things togheter:
winamp, zonealarm, seti@home,msn, kazaa, 10 instances of word and a teragen render, it just chrashes without reason.
it's just buggy, and i regard ME as win98 third edition with some extra's
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hmm... first time I installed 98se, I ran it 2 weeks straight with nothing crasching. the thing that crasched was heroes of might and magic 1, which is a DOS-based game.
I haev also a friend that has gotten bluescreen on all versions of windows from 95 and up...
Just recently I installed linux on a machine and got kernel panic even before the install had started up completely...
**** happens on most OS's, take it as a fact and stop *****ing about it.
oh, if LSD was here, he'd talk about how great his low-spec machine works with XP (IIRC, it's ~400MHz, 192mb RAM or something like that). XP doesn't really suck memory. In fact, I think it leaks less than earlier windowses do. number 3 on fettys list is just that, memory leaks.
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i've used 98 SE on one computer (my dads) for 3 years now, and i've never had one freeze, one error AT ALL (occasionally programs screw up, but NEVER the OS)
i guess if you use it to render or osmething, but just general use, like checking email, surfing the internet, etc.
Let's get back on-topic.
Starfury: Does the computer restart at the same place every time (i.e. when it's about to load the OS) or randomly. For example, if you're not sure, try pressing DEL to go to the 'setup' screen, and just leave it. if it resets there, then it's probably motherboard, if it doesn't, then it might be a file it's loading (with the OS) or something else that's causing it to reset, it's very possible.
Give us more details, and we'll help you more
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Originally posted by kasperl
5 times at least, and every time you try to run just a few (j/k) things togheter:
winamp, zonealarm, seti@home,msn, kazaa, 10 instances of word and a teragen render, it just chrashes without reason.
it's just buggy, and i regard ME as win98 third edition with some extra's
on 98 i have Winamp, ZoneAlarm, and a virus protector running constantly. those three programs never close, and i get no errors.
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Hey, it runs with 64 megs of ram too but you'll notice a great difference when playing games. WinXP is like another game running on background.
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yeah, i have 64 MB RAM too, but the only game i run nowadays is Starcraft on that computer
and a few DOS and JAVA games ;)
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well i think that me has a serious problem with its registry :nervous:
btw
my puter just crashed while opening wintv :D
(yeah it doesnt like having an ftp program and wintv running, but xp doesnt ***** about that :) )
<= pIII450 256mb ram
and starfury stealth is right u know
best guess(es) os, ram, mb, psu, a gremlin
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Originally posted by Fetty
and starfury stealth is right u know
best guess(es) os, ram, mb, psu, a gremlin
:D
but he must give us more information anyway, (see a few posts up)
so we can help him figure out the problem more accurately ;)
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Originally posted by Fetty
2. ... tell me that i dont have a mainboard installed and should put one in at the first bootup (WinME)
:lol:
5 times a day when you're doing nothing with it...
oh yeah, I remember that. I was sitting in the corner, reading Animal Farm, the computer was open, with nothing but explorer running, and suddenly, I get the blue screen of Death™
WinXP is da 0wn for those with high-end systems (like me)
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ME works quite well for me actually; crashes (ones that require a restart to fix) occur maybe once a week, and most dos games still work great. At least in my experience, 98 definitely froze far more often (4-6 times a day) than this does.
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Actually, M-E sux. :p
Stop screwing with my Ion Cannon, Micro$h1t! :mad:
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I definitely love XP, yeah...
today, I was moving this printer to my new computer, so I plugged it in, started it all up, and dissappeared for a while.
When I got back, I logged in and was gonna install the drivers and stuff. Only I couldn't. XP had detected the printer and identified it. The problem that arose when I ran out of ink on the second page I was printing after installing took more time to fix...
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XP rocks...the only time I've crashed it was when I did stupid things while writing full screen computer games...
I use XP on my laptop, and it works great, it is very nice to be able to plug a monitor in, and automatically have it go to duel monitors.
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The restart seems completely random... and the longer you leave his computer off, the longer it works... Got it to work for about a day by leaving it off for about a week. :( Usually, once it starts restarting it won't do anything. I can hear the hard drive come on, but it doesn't get far enough to tell the monitor to wake up... what other details you need?
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*Notes that not one bad thing has been said about 2000*:p
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This is really wierd. Unplug all the power connectors from the hard drive(s), FDD, and CD-ROM(s). Power the system up and see if it still reboots. If it does, then go into the BIOS and reset everything back to default settings, then only change what you must to get it to work properly. Then work your way up from there.
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
*Notes that not one bad thing has been said about 2000*:p
Akh, I always forget Win 2000. :rolleyes: Can't comment that though...
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All these people that are far more interested in *****ing than helping someone out. You could all compete (on the *****ing front) with my girlfriend.
Starfurry
Ignoring the constant reset issue for a momment. If any computer when powered on does not get as far as the bios page, the monitor would be on at this stage, then it obviously cannot be software based and is your kit.
Going back to the fact that it runs for a bit then conks out and will not go again strongly suggests a heat related problem. As the most sensitive area of a PC in terms of heat is the processor then that or a motherboard component close to it are likely to be the problem.
You should do some more obvious things like check the processor is seated well on the board. Check there is nice good contact between the heatsink/fan/processor and that the fan hasn't packed in.
To test the software/hardware further just leave the computer on without booting into an OS. For example go into the setup utility and leave it there. If it doesn't start reseting then it is a very bizarre software problem.
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Originally posted by atatham
All these people that are far more interested in *****ing than helping someone out. You could all compete (on the *****ing front) with my girlfriend.
that says more about your choice in girlfriends than it says about us.
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Originally posted by kode
that says more about your choice in girlfriends than it says about us.
ZING!
:lol:
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Originally posted by atatham
All these people that are far more interested in *****ing than helping someone out. You could all compete (on the *****ing front) with my girlfriend.
Starfurry
Ignoring the constant reset issue for a momment. If any computer when powered on does not get as far as the bios page, the monitor would be on at this stage, then it obviously cannot be software based and is your kit.
Going back to the fact that it runs for a bit then conks out and will not go again strongly suggests a heat related problem. As the most sensitive area of a PC in terms of heat is the processor then that or a motherboard component close to it are likely to be the problem.
You should do some more obvious things like check the processor is seated well on the board. Check there is nice good contact between the heatsink/fan/processor and that the fan hasn't packed in.
To test the software/hardware further just leave the computer on without booting into an OS. For example go into the setup utility and leave it there. If it doesn't start reseting then it is a very bizarre software problem.
i was thinkning, it might be the power supply, or something else overheating, and then automatically shutting down
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yeah id put my money towards the psu too
note: a mainboard component could be damaged due to to much heat and is causing these resets once it runs to hot again
resets are mostly an electrical issue
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Originally posted by Fetty
yeah id put my money towards the psu too
note: a mainboard component could be damaged due to to much heat and is causing these resets once it runs to hot again
resets are mostly an electrical issue
yeah, like i said,
either the power supply, or something else in the computer is overheating and resetting stuff... either that or something's not in correctly (check cables, ports, etc.)
so me and Fetty agree :) ;)
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Power supply was the second thing I tried, after the vid card. It's not that... granted, I took his 400 watt power supply out and replaced it with a 300 watt one (Didn't hook up CD ROms, Floppy, unessential crap).. but it didn't help the problem... so it's not that.
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only other thing i can recommend (i know it's a bit broad, but anyway) is the motherboard and everything directly on it (processor, RAM, etc.) if you CAN try replacing those temporarily just to see if it works, then do so, if not, let me know
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I tried pulling out the processor on it earlier, but the heat sink is too big to pull up it one at a time and I think they used thermal paste on the sink, because it's not coming off the processor easily after they released the clip... and I'm reluctant to pull to hard, so...
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Dude, you cannot remove the cpu without releasing it from the socket. You have to lift the lever to do that. If the heatsink is "stuck" to the processor, then they used thermal tape. What you have to do is turn the computer on and let it sit for about 5 minutes. It doesn't have to do ANYTHING. It just has to be ON. Then turn it off and undo the clips and twist GENTLY. It should come off very easily. If not, just stop and leave it alone. Bent or broken pins are a real pain in the ass to fix. Especially if you don't have a REALLY fine soldering tip.