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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Splinter on January 09, 2003, 07:49:17 am
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What a world (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2640259.stm)
:lol:
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ROFL
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LMAO
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*is too apathetic to laugh*
Opinion: :rolleyes:
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Meh.
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Bloody politics... :blah:
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Why did that guy have to be french? :sigh:
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*Pats Venom on the back...*
It's ok... Theres one in every country....
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Originally posted by venom2506
Why did that guy have to be french? :sigh:
Because the French are world leaders in european anti-americanism? :D
And yes, the concept is pretty sad.
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*sees Allah Burgers and Bin Laden Fries in near future*
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w00t! :D
ROFTLMAO!!! :lol:
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hmm... I'm definitely gonna try it out...
they did say it was coming to sweden...
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
*sees Allah Burgers and Bin Laden Fries in near future*
I'm afraid with what comes when you order that as a happy meal...(http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/armed/grenade.gif)
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Britain wants to signal to Islamic terrorist organisations that it, in fact, supports them, and for this reason they should not consider it a target for terrorist attacks," it says.
Sandwich, what kind of newspaper is Hatzofe?
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Sandwich, what kind of newspaper is Hatzofe?
Ironically enough just as i read that he called me so i asked him, he said he didnt know but somone with him did apperantly its an orthodox propaganda newspaper ;7
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Originally posted by Shrike
Because the French are world leaders in european anti-americanism? :D
And I am the world leader in anti-Frenchism!
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
And I am the world leader in anti-Frenchism!
*likes french toast, french fries, crepes. and french.... uhm.... yeah*
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
And I am the world leader in anti-Frenchism!
well, too bad for you :D
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Wow.. sad pitiful people that do this.... :ick
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Bah. If it weren't for us Americans, all the French would be speaking German. Sacre bleu!
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{complete and total retraction of statement}
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LOLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Originally posted by Goober5000
If it weren't for us Americans, all the French would be speaking German.
If it weren't for you Americans, a lot of things would be different. Not that I'll bother listing them.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Bah. If it weren't for us Americans, all the French would be speaking German. Sacre bleu!
their would be no french, you'd be an english colony, so there :p.
And Greywolf, we're as anti american as anybody else. You listen to the CNN news or something? According to the news, all americans are antifrench. Stupid racist. I mean it and won't take it back. I found your comment offensive and will from now on ignore you completly.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I get annoyed at the blatant anti-Americanism in France.
We saved their asses in 2 World Wars.
Not to say that your opinion is lopsided, but don't forget how many toes America has stood on. I won't cite specific examples; but anyway, would you rather have allied with the Central Powers? Maybe they wouldn't have sunk the Lusitania. ;)
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Ok wait, they're combating evil capitalists by.....creating their own drink, boycotting American drinks so theirs are the only ones on the market, thus making them a lot of money? :wtf:
So it's not the money hungry power weilding part, it's just the American part? This guy is using Anti American sentiments to sell his drink!
The fact that people are spending millions to combat the evil "Coke Regime" is laughable.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Bah. If it weren't for us Americans, all the French would be speaking German. Sacre bleu!
Oh, yes. America single handedly won World War 2.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Bah. If it weren't for us Americans, all the French would be speaking German. Sacre bleu!
Hmm, let's think about this for a minute. German troops invade Czechoslovakia and then Poland: Britian and France declare war, America does nothing. France falls: Britian stands alone (well, along with the Commonwealth, including Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.), America buries head in sand. Japan starts on America: the Americans finally decide to get involved. Back in Europe, the Americans contribute part of the forces that storm Normandy, now that they've bothered to show up.
Saving Private Ryan does not present an unbiassed account. The Americans were late, and only one party among many. The high horse should be dismounted, thank you.
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This is all too precious. :D
Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
Hmm, let's think about this for a minute. German troops invade Czechoslovakia and then Poland: Britian and France declare war, America does nothing. France falls: Britian stands alone (well, along with the Commonwealth, including Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.), America buries head in sand. Japan starts on America: the Americans finally decide to get involved. Back in Europe, the Americans contribute part of the forces that storm Normandy, now that they've bothered to show up.
Saving Private Ryan does not present an unbiassed account. The Americans were late, and only one party among many. The high horse should be dismounted, thank you.
You're not quite correct in your chain of events. America was not a combatant until Pearl Harbor, however, they were already providing plenty of lend-lease aid to Britain, which they continued to do throughout the war. The question is how well would Britain have survived without American logistics aid. In the Pacific, it was of course the Americans who kicked the Japanese's teeth in, nobody else could have until much later - post '45.
There's also the facet of postwar Marshal aid to consider, how badly do you think Europe would have fared after WWII if there had been no influx of American capital to help rebuild?
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Just a side note here: Splinter, it's "Coca Cola", not "Coka Cola". ;)
I love little brothers. :D
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Originally posted by Shrike
There's also the facet of postwar Marshal aid to consider, how badly do you think Europe would have fared after WWII if there had been no influx of American capital to help rebuild?
Yes because the rebuilding of Germany went so well didn't it? Well I suppose that big wall was quite an achievement.
Look, America provided economic support in terms of arms for the Allies (basically only Britain at said point), yes. They did well in that respect but America did refuse to enter combat until Perl Harbour.
When the Nazi's came for the Gypsies,
I did nothing.
When the Nazi's came for the Ill,
I did nothing.
When the Nazi's came for the Jews,
I did nothing.
When the Nazi's came for me,
There was no one left, to save me.
The failure of America to enter ww2 until directly attacked was because of the mindset of "none of our boys" dying abroad. Ironically they had played right into Hitler's hands but the Japanese saved the day - he was not happy when the Japs attacked outright. It was too early. He needed Russia and Britain beaten first.
For a better explanation look at the quote in my sig. If one good man...
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American bankers helped Hitler build his army.
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Originally posted by Snakeseyes
American bankers helped Hitler build his army.
Actually here I have to be fair... it was Germany's failure to pay the Versailles reparations that funded Hitlers army. ;)
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There's also the theory that Roosevelt had wanted for a long time to go to war outright, but didn't have public support behind him. So the U.S. "baited" Japan with Pearl Harbor. (Granted, I'm not too familiar with that theory, but it's another item to toss out there.)
And as you saw with venom, the French can throw it right back at us - if it weren't for the French, America would still be an English colony. :)
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This is kind of old news actually; heard of it a month ago. As BL said though, what is really funny about this whole thing is that they claim to be fighting the big bad capitalists, and the method in which this is done is to create their own bigger and badder capitalists. :D
As for the rest of the thread, I do agree that the US should have joined in WW2 earlier, but for entirely different reasons; it makes a lot of sense to not bother with the problems of other nations, but it was in definitely their own interests to prevent Germany from taking over all of Europe for a number of reasons.
it was Germany's failure to pay the Versailles reparations that funded Hitlers army.
Then again, the provisions of the Versailles treaty were quite unreasonable (and were largely a product of the French, who hated the Germans after WW1). By the way, Poincare's (the French prime minister) brother was a world renowned mathematician. ;7
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Originally posted by CP5670
Then again, the provisions of the Versailles treaty were quite unreasonable (and were largely a product of the French, who hated the Germans after WW1). By the way, Poincare's (the French prime minister) brother was a world renowned mathematician. ;7
On that point we agree - Versailles was sheer bloody vindictiveness with no foresight.
Back to the main point: I like Coca Cola. I drink Diet Coke almost every day.
Equally, when I go out for a meal I often drink European beer. I like European beer.
Its not about the big bad americans taking over the world (c'mon lads it not like they could) its about an american company selling a very successful product and some idiot decides thats not fair. :wtf:
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It is said that IBM supported Hitler.
I am sick to the back teeth of seeing films shwoing me how America single handedly won the war. OK, we'd have lost without them, but it doesn't mean they were the only nation against Nazism.
Also, didn't P-51s have Rolls Royce Merlins?
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Originally posted by CP5670
it makes a lot of sense to not bother with the problems of other nations,
ahh, but one country cannot live in isolation. The american policy seemed to be (between the wars at least, yeah , I know recession, etc etc.) "Sod other countries, we are on our own, we can manage on our own, no where else exists).
Dubya still believes in this, he keeps backing out of the pollution summits, and seems not to give a toss about what america is doing to the planet.
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Originally posted by vyper
Yes because the rebuilding of Germany went so well didn't it? Well I suppose that big wall was quite an achievement.
Well actually, the rebuilding of German did go quite well - West Germany that is. The Berlin Wall was erected by East Germany, and like all of the communist states they refused marshall aid.
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Its not about the big bad americans taking over the world (c'mon lads it not like they could) its about an american company selling a very successful product and some idiot decides thats not fair.
Now the next thing to come up will probably be another corporation marketing a similar product (something like say, Allah Cola), and then the two calling each other greedy cheaters. :D
ahh, but one country cannot live in isolation. The american policy seemed to be (between the wars at least, yeah , I know recession, etc etc.) "Sod other countries, we are on our own, we can manage on our own, no where else exists).
That's true to some extent, but only because of the way today's global economic system works; any problems within a major nation would quickly affect everyone else in the system. So I stand by my original point that whether to be isolationist or globalist is determined only by the economic factors; if the economies were independent, the nations would have no reason to worry about each other.
On the flip side though, you have the same people complaining about the US acting like a "world's police," where they are doing exactly the opposite thing. :D
Well actually, the rebuilding of German did go quite well - West Germany that is. The Berlin Wall was erected by East Germany, and like all of the communist states they refused marshall aid.
I was thinking the same thing, seeing as Germany is the biggest economy in Europe today. The East portion caught up pretty quickly too after the Wall fell.
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I would gladly move to Germnay given the chance, I am quite a fan of the country, and have a habit of wearing an ex-german army parka of the 1989 pattern.
The only drawback is I get called "Nazi" at school, some people are bloody stupid.
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I like Germany simply because it has produced more great mathematicians and physicists throughout history than anyone else. ;7 (France comes quite close in math, though) And they had a nice culture (scientific/militaristic combo) about a century ago too. :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
7seeing as Germany is the biggest economy in Europe today. 7
That's not quite true. Germany was indeed very potent a few years back, but now they're sadly going through hard times ecomicaly wise ( terrible unemployment, etc ). As for the rest, I'll in complete lack of order:
I personally have nothing against german people, even during WW2, not all of them were nazi ( obviously :p ), but when you're a soldier, you have to obey, that's sad to say, but they did their job.
France didn't use the Marshall plan, Charles deGaulle was what you call an antiamerican and just didn't accept it.
Wasn't the RR Merlin used in Spitfires?
I guess the americans COULD live on their own ( they do have all they need: petrol, "food", etc ), but in todays worldwide economy, it would just be not wise for a lot of reasons.
"It is said that IBM supported Hitler." Never heard of that, but to be honest, that just sounds ridiculous :doubt:
"So the U.S. "baited" Japan with Pearl Harbor." see above. Baiting the Japanese even today is laughable, so back then with the Emperor and all... If you want to know what pride is, look at the Japanese. Dirty tricks in wars in a thing, THAT is another. No country can force the Japanese to do anything they wouldn't decide by themselves in the first place and I do give them credit for that.
"On that point we agree - Versailles was sheer bloody vindictiveness with no foresight."
That's true, but it was cowritten with the USA, so the french really have the good role there, huh? Weel nope, sorry, we're not the only ones to blame ( but yeah that treaty was completly stupid in the first place, as unrealistic as it could be )
"Equally, when I go out for a meal I often drink European beer. I like European beer. " ( I love that post, you couldn't make more OT than that one, give me some credit for it :D ) European beer? Just in France ( which is not a country famous for its beer ) there's a lot of different beers, so european beer is a bit reductive. Nothing personal there, but I've talked ( well not me, but it's the same ) with an American girl who came to europe for hollidays, she planed to stay for a month and stayed for a year instead. What she said makes me wonder: according to her, the americans don't see Europe as a patchwork of different countrie, but as a whole, single, old big thinguy depicted by old fashioned, ridiculous clichés. She said the way it was shown on TVs was definitively headed for one purpose: make europeans despicable at most. I'mù not wanna defend the europeans, the frenchs or anything, but I'll say that the other way around is true too: if you see the USA trhough european TV, beleave me, you won't like the USA much. Accoring to TV, you're a bunch of McDonald grown people with a conditioned mentality, etc. A country of clones, all the same. I can imagine easily how it is on the USA TV for us: the exact same. Go wonder after that, why a thread like this one degenerates into: "french are stupid", "american wants to rule the world", "if you wear german clothes, you're a nazi", etc. I have yet to see antiamerican movements in France, I have yet to see the 2003 Reich empire, I have yet to see a BigMac on the american flag with earth as a background :p
Mentalities have to evolve, but sadly, if it does, it's going the wrong way.
This post had no real purpose, thank you for listening :p
Oh, CP: you forget Greece, that's the real birthplace of maths :) You gotta love Greece if you love maths ;)
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Sorry about that comment, Venom. I really am. If I could take that back, I would. But I can't. It was a stupid, unthinking comment. And to think that I alienated someone who (at least from what I've seen on the board) is a decent guy makes it even worse.
OK, here's random facts I should have mentioned before in my other, now wiped out post:
1. World War 1: We did nothing. We came in at the very end of the war. We might have tipped the balance, but I suspect the Allies would have won in the end anyway.
2. World War 2: Our primary contribution here was in industrial capacity. Also, the French Resistance played a vital role, getting information to the Allies, primarily Britain, with America playing a bit of a support role, which led to the defeat of Germany. Many members of the Resistance gave their lives to help the Allies defeat the Germans. When you get right down to it, around 90% of the people in any given war are good, decent people. Just because they are on the other side from you is no reason to demonize them.
And Setekh?
As to World War I, it was messy. It was the result of dozens of convaluted alliances. If we had been major trading partners with Germany as opposed to England, odds are we would hae allied with the Germans.
EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot the criticism of my own country's actions:
1. The whole storing of prisoners in that base in Cuba without a trial is at least as bad as the affair with the French Jewish officer.
2. The revoking of our rights during the war on terror is similar to Hitler's early actions after seizing control of Germany.
3. Bush's feints at war with Iraq are mainly to gain control of the oil fields and was also to help buoy the Republican Party during the last election and to divert attention from the economic recession.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
"Sod other countries, we are on our own, we can manage on our own, no where else exists).
That is quite funny. If the USA were live on it's own, without trade or links to other countries, the following items would never be available in the American market on a large, cheap scale: electronics, computers, clothes. Look at your Made in China label on your clothes if you don't believe me. :ha:
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Sorry about that comment, Venom. I really am. If I could take that back, I would. But I can't. It was a stupid, unthinking comment.
let's just forget about that. I don't come here to have arguments with anybody.
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Pepsi Prison! :thepimp:
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Originally posted by Gortef
Pepsi Prison! :thepimp:
woah...when I read that, my first thought was the book "Snow Crash". Read it, it is a very good book...and a somewhat frightning view on the future.
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Try The Diamond Age, Analzon. He wrote it later. Very, very good stuff.
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Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
Try The Diamond Age, Analzon. He wrote it later. Very, very good stuff.
my mom rented a tape book of that...I ought to borrow it...