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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fineus on January 09, 2003, 01:31:59 pm
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Hey all - far more straightforward than my previous questions really.. I want to cool anything about an AthlonXP 2400+, what cooler should I go for? And yes, I know that water cooling is better, just answer the question ;)
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Try this place... :)
http://www.baber.com/accessories/heatsinks/ (http://www.baber.com/accessories/heatsinks/)
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Depending on several other things, such as how close your PC is to the heater of the house, or another external heat source, etc. you might want to get a bit more powerful.
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speaking of heatsinks/fans for athlonXPs... I'd need one. the one I have now is too big (about 4mm to the power supply), meaning it doesn't cool that good. oh, it's quiet and stuff... but I'd rather have it under 60C than having it run silent.
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What about this:
http://www.computerchaos.net/vol7+.html
The Thermaltake Volcano 7+ ? Seems a good bet but I don't know to much about fans...
And my computer shall always be at the far end of the room to the radiator in the room, it's actually more or less next to the window. Either way, external heat isn't the problem.
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Doesen't seem enough for a monster CPU like you have.
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What are the alternatives then? there are only so many fan/CPU combinations out there...
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2VsZWN0X3Byb2R1Y3Rfb3ZlcnZpZXc=&product_uid=43374
That perhaps?
Or this:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=36341
?
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I dunno. I'll check them out. But what about this:
http://www.baber.com/accessories/heatsinks/intel_volcano_7.htm
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But thats the one down from the first one I linked to! :nervous:
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Lots of slaves with feather fans. Never fails.
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You know the Athlon will come with a heatsink if you get retail. It should be competent enough if you don't overclock it.
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Originally posted by Thunder
But thats the one down from the first one I linked to! :nervous:
Ooops :nervous: well, in that case, go for it.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
You know the Athlon will come with a heatsink if you get retail. It should be competent enough if you don't overclock it.
The OEM is cheaper though - and everywhere I've seen doesn't recommend stock cooling. Thats why I'm asking to be honest, I mean I can chuck hundreds of fans onto my case but it's all for nothing if the cooling solution on the CPU itself sucks... but I've not seen a definitive "this is the cooler for everyone" type product yet sadly...
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http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/prod...oduct_uid=43374
This seems the best way to go. IMO that is.
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It is rated to 2800XP... I'm inclined to agree unless there are any other contestants?
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check the www.tomshardware.com
there are 2 very long cpu cooler guides :D
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get an heatsink. or if you want a fan, get the Volcano 7+. I got the 9 and it's really noisy...but effective!
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http://www.coolerguys.com/
There ya go. :)
Alpha Leader: How bout you leave it to the professionals, eh?
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i'm not a pro, but I try to help people as much as I can:o
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Go for the Thermaltake Volcano 7 + (Note the + (plus), the ordinary model sucks). It's the best performing air cooler out there for the price, looks good and has variable speed (7000rpm being the highest, bearing in mind it makes a hell of a racket at that speed). I'm not sure about the 9 but it's supposed to be pretty good. Avoid the 'orb' style ones like the plauge; they may look nice but their performance is crappy and they cost loads. Go to www.dansdata.com and check the cooler comp. If you have big money to spend then consider buying a swiftech and buy a fan with it because they're usually not included, but at twice the price of a volcano 7+ and only marginally better performance with a high end fan strapped on, it's not worth it unless you have more money than sense.
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Gotcha, and I'm inclined to agree - but what about this:
http://www.coolercases.co.uk/aerophantomdetails.html
Looks damn fine as far as I can see, and moves air better than any other that I've come across...
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there's a lot of heatsinks that'll work and are effective.
i don't have an XP1800 or whatever you've got,i've only got a 1.4 :( but anyway ;)
hehehe, some of those heatsinks nowadays are so damn complex, they look like rockets or something, they look like they're about to take off the ****ing motherboard.
that one you posted Thunder: who wants a fan that has lights, who really cares what the fan looks like unless you have a transparent side or something :) also, dust will make it look even worse, cause the lights will show all the dust and stuff up
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I have a one of the Vantec six-inch "Iceberg" fan units for the processor (which is a Athlon TB1400 running at 1475), which works very well and allows for some nice overclocking, although it is extremely loud compared to most other models (sounds just like the ventilation system inside a commercial airplane; I personally like the noise :D). However, these are over a year old now, so there are probably newer ones available out there today.
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I've got an Athlon XP 2400+ (2GHz), and I've got this (http://www.globalwin.com.tw/new-product/fsp82.html) as my heatsink+fan. While it's not the best, it's pretty quiet and keeps my system cool enough. With case closed, CPU temperature is around 46 degrees celsius when on Windows, and hasn't went over 50 yet (though I haven't done anything that loads the CPU much). With case open, the temperature is around 41 degrees celsius.
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I have the volcano 7+
It sounds like theres a little man inside my case screaming.....
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I did have a dead spider in my case last time I cleaned it out... :nervous:
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Cheers guys, I think my problem is case ventilation, not fan ventilation.
At the moment my 1.4 T-Bird runs at about 50 degrees without load and 55 with load. Thats with the case side off, put it on and you can add another ten degrees to both of those marks.
However I am adding several additional case fans and modding things somewhat, hopefully I can get some kind of combination going here.
Either way, I've really taken to the idea of the one I posted in my last post...
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Put an indutrial extractor fan in the side of your case, or an A/C unit.
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You can get air exchangers that fit in one of the expansion slots on your case.. useful as hell if you dont have a lot of extra cards...
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I am using four main fans for the case cooling, two intake and two exhaust. (all are of the six-inch delta variety) This combination has worked very well for me so far.
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Thunder: Be warned. The ammount of fans doesn't matter as much as how they are arranged. 50 bazillion fans won't do you any good if they don't do their job properly.
What would probably do you the most good is cutting a hole in the top of your case and mounting a fan there. A single 120mm intake, and two 80mm exhaust fans would do you alot more good than 5 80mm fans thrown about the case would.
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Wouldn't it be easier just to put the whole thing inside a fridge? Pretty practical, too.
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sure... except for the moisture....
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Vertigo, cheers - I've got vague ideas about what I want to do to the thing... there's automatically space for another 80mm and a 40mm in the case that I'll have blowing, adding in a blow hole and cutting the front of the case so that the front suck fan actually...sucks.
That and hopefully the side is going to have one blowing as well, cleaning out all the air that seems to be sitting in the CPU area (when the sides on you can feel it getting warm after a while... that's sure as hell not supposed to happen!)
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Water cooling! Do it! :drevil:
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Originally posted by Thorn
sure... except for the moisture....
Yes, but then you can just either use chemicals to combat it. It's also a problem when you use peltiers or non-water liquid cooling systems for the cpu, you have to put silicone in the centre of and around the cpu socket.
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Originally posted by Shrike
Water cooling! Do it! :drevil:
NO ;)
I've come across a local computer fair that has the X-Dream fans from Coolmaster (rated to 2800+) for about £20. That's pretty good, but I'm still open to ideas from anyone with "teh knowlege"...
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Just checked some prices on AXP2100+ (and above too, of course) and got the upgrade itch. Curse You! :D
If I do I'll need to upgrade my cooling too.
This one looks promising.
http://www.thermalright.com/slk800.html
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If you have a metal case with not too much decorative plastic cladding then you could just cut a circle out of it with a dremmel (or something simmilar) and then buy a mains fan from a DIY shop to fit in which will mean you never have cooling problems again. That won't cost nuch in excess of ten pounds but it will take about an hour and a half to do.
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I'm guessing this fan would be going on the side of the case?
In which case - would it be blowing (out of the case) or sucking (into the case)? Bearing in mind that I've got one fan at the front sucking, the PSU at the back blowing and the CPU and graphics card fans both blowing as well.
See, I don't know much about air dynamics - I get the basic "through flow" theory but the particulars aren't as clear to me...
Edit, and Ryx - looks nice! But seems to only be rated at 2000+ "and above" which makes me a tad dubious...
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Well, I went into the forum (swedish) of online store, and one of the members had the SLK on a 2400+.
http://kylning.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=2583
Scroll down a bit and look at Arne Anka's sig.
I will ask TR about it (as I have a Q of my own). :)
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well, yeah... he didn't have a bad temperature on it either.
*looks at own 68 C on 1800+*
fried eggs anyone?
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Thunder: You could have it on the side or top (or even the front or back if it will let you) although it would be better on the side because it would improve fresh air supply more directly to the cpu cooler, plus keeping the ram and cards nice and cool.
It would have to be a blower (you should always have slightly more 'blow' than 'suck' BTW).
Think of the 'street cred' that you gain having a big fat fan on the side of your case :)
Here's a tutorial on how to do it (this one is at the front): http://www.dansdata.com/hx45fan.htm It's a bit of a small one for so much effort but it's at the front with limmited space.
Take a look here (http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Ventilation_Index/index.html) if you want to go fan shopping or you could go to your local recycling centre and scrounge one (or rip one out of a cooker hood) for next to nothing.
Edit: I like the look of This fan (http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SLHXM400.html) It'ds over 300 time more powerful than those xpelair jet engines that you get in hotel shower rooms. Bearing in mind it's only running at about 2000rpm, if you could get it to go higher, it's blowability will be awsome. It's costly though.
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Originally posted by Thunder
Vertigo, cheers - I've got vague ideas about what I want to do to the thing... there's automatically space for another 80mm and a 40mm in the case that I'll have blowing, adding in a blow hole and cutting the front of the case so that the front suck fan actually...sucks.
That and hopefully the side is going to have one blowing as well, cleaning out all the air that seems to be sitting in the CPU area (when the sides on you can feel it getting warm after a while... that's sure as hell not supposed to happen!)
Dont' bother using a 40mm fan as a case fan. It doesn't have enough power to move enough air to do any good.
What might do you the most good is either the fan in the very top of the case like I suggested, or cutting a hole in the side panel directly above the processor pulling air out of the case. Having one on the bottom won't do you any good as it'll kill the natural S curve airflow.
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Makes sense... when you say "above" the processor you mean infront of it (3D speaking...) I can't have a fan "above" the processor on the side because of the PSU... I'll try and find a decent image of the computer to illustrate later...
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No, above the processor itself. :) The PSU would be infront of it. Remember that its parallel to the Y axis, therefore the side panel is above it. :) You get the gist of what I mean anyways.
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I'd just like to make sure I understand... you mean it'd be here:
(http://www.bluesmoke.net/case_gallery/images/entry545b.jpg)
Kinda a bad example since it's cluttered with other stuff, but the fan is clearly "above" the CPU as far as I can tell...
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Firstly, I can't stand the biased crap that sprouts out of Tom's arse and onto that excuse for a site, so here's a link to a real cooler comparison:
http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp.htm
Sites like FrostyTech (http://www.frostytech.com) specialise in testing cooling equipment, and seem to put them through quite a thorough workout. More sites like that do exist, so look around.
As dauntingly powerful as it sounds, the XP2400+ probably won't put out much more heat than the highest rated Tbird CPU's - smaller processes and less voltage mean that the heat doesn't always go up according to speed. The Volcano 7+ is a nice choice, with the ability to throttle its fan speed depending on CPU temperature. However the best CPU cooler won't do much good if the heat is only pumped into the surrounding air within the case.
Planning the airflow is essential, taking into account things such as the CPU, video and other cards, PSU and hard drives. Clean lines are ideal e.g. in the front, out the back. If there's enough space over the cards, mount fans there (a lot of cases are capable of mounting 2x60mm fans, or even have a space for an 80/92mm fan) - they will be close to the CPU and provide a quick way of extracting its heat, plus the heat from the cards. It is often recommended that you have a slightly higher cfm intake then outlet, the extra pressure serves to keep dust out of all those little gaps rather than inviting it in (I think Top Gun already mentioned this). Mounting a fan on the side panel directly over the CPU is an option, so long as you take care when removing the panel, and have suitable intakes mounted elsewhere in the case.
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Originally posted by Thunder
I'd just like to make sure I understand... you mean it'd be here: *snip*
Yeah.
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Great, sorry that took so long to establish, I'd hate to **** up the positioning :)
Edit: Oh, and my Aerocool Phantom just came in the mail... my god it's beautiful!
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Of course, you could save yourself the trouble by watercooling. :D I've seen the light, and I wouldn't switch back to aircooling for the world. :)
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Three things stopping me:
1) Price
2) Inexperience with the system
3) Maintenance (price etc...).
I'd gladly start watercooling if it wasn't for these facts :)
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Well, if you haven't already chosen, the GlacialTech Igloo 2410 Pro looks nice. It's aluminum, but its better than most of the coppers I have seen. And it's only $15, with no shipping, at www.newegg.com
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Originally posted by Thunder
Three things stopping me:
1) Price
2) Inexperience with the system
3) Maintenance (price etc...).
I'd gladly start watercooling if it wasn't for these facts :)
Well, It only set me back about...$150 for everything (even a second waterblock for when I go dual AMD). Thats pump, radiator, cpu waterblocks, northbridge waterblock, and video chipset waterblock. The tubing I got for free. :) (though thats VERY cheap at practically $1 a foot...and its UV reflective! :D)
Maintaining it....basically, you put a little chlorine in the water every month or so to kill anything in the water and then give the lines a once-over. Thats about it.
Its very easy to setup. Just as easy as installing a heatsink infact. There are very detailed instructions on the koolance website (www.koolance.com) if you're interested in it later on.
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hey guys,
anybody knows if a VOlcano 9 fan and a Thermalright SLK-800 would work right? Better than the original heatsink??
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If the screwholes line up and the fan sits flush with the heatsink, I don't see why not.
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
If the screwholes line up and the fan sits flush with the heatsink, I don't see why not.
The SLK 800 (series actually) don't use screws. They have clips for 60, 70, 80 mm fans. I will put a 80mm Enermax with adjustable RPM on my SLK.