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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: kasperl on January 18, 2003, 03:00:01 pm
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ok, i really need to vent about some stuff happening to me lately:
most kids at my school yell "a bomb, a bomb", "tick-tack, tick-tack" and "KABOOM" and things like that the moment i walk by just because i'm to only student with a briefcase instead of a bookwrecking backpack.
even the bloudy freshmen are yelling that! and i'm in third grade (dutch school system, 6 years of the highest level of high school, from aprox 12 to 18)
some idiot actually called me with this message:
"hello, i'm from dutch customs, we have found out that there's a bomb in your briefcase"
i've got a question for you guys on this: is it normal to do something like that to someone just because he is a bit different?
and on top of that people are calling me some stupid name some teacher "accidentially" called me one time, i really ask them to stop it, but even my friends keep using it.
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People suck. Yes, the automatically harass anyone with any distinguishing features, unless that person
1. Can kick the **** out of them
or
2. Is willing to kiss ass
I was lucky in that I happened to get an entire class that wasn't as smart as me, and thus I learned after about three years of hell in middle school to pretend to be a class clown while still making fun of them nonstop. Plus, I'm bigger than any of them now, so it's unnecessary.:D
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
1. Can kick the **** out of them
Kick their sorry pathetic asses. :nod:
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i don'tthink my problem is point 2 it's point 1, i'm just not strong enough!
but seriously, it just gets very annouying, and the teachers can't do much about it, they want to,but they can't punsih half the school, can they?
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Either hit them(you dont need to be strong, just make sure you are just violent and angry), or make a fake bomb, put in it your briefcase and then if they say anything, say you do have a bomb and take it out and proceed to press a button on it, causing it to tick.
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Point one is a problem. If you can't fight, or have a small frame, you're not likely to get much more effective. A big guy can take out a little guy pretty easily, judo classes notwithstanding.
Basically, you either have to outsmart them, outmuscle them, or learn to just not give a ****. The last is extremely effective and much more satisfying than the other two (getting physical has the tendency to get you expelled, while messing with their heads is hard work and not always effective). I recommend it. Best way, have an interesting life outside of school.
Zeronet: That's how you get your ass expelled, in prison, and raped up the chocolate speedway every day.
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i'd dothat, but i'd get into problems with the teachers because of it, and it would only makes things worse, because i'd get even more attention. (that is a bad thing right now)
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Originally posted by kasperl
ok, i really need to vent about some stuff happening to me lately:
most kids at my school yell "a bomb, a bomb", "tick-tack, tick-tack" and "KABOOM" and things like that the moment i walk by just because i'm to only student with a briefcase instead of a bookwrecking backpack.
even the bloudy freshmen are yelling that! and i'm in third grade (dutch school system, 6 years of the highest level of high school, from aprox 12 to 18)
some idiot actually called me with this message:
"hello, i'm from dutch customs, we have found out that there's a bomb in your briefcase"
i've got a question for you guys on this: is it normal to do something like that to someone just because he is a bit different?
and on top of that people are calling me some stupid name some teacher "accidentially" called me one time, i really ask them to stop it, but even my friends keep using it.
her... well come to France, you won't be the only one to have a briefcase at school, so no pb ;)
as for the nicks, can't be helped, I used to have a quite offending and ridiculous nick mlyself, got rid of it only when I parted from my old "friends", and almost punched the last one who used it. hopefully I didn't have to actually punch him, I hate that ( I have nothing against violence, as soon as I'm not the one using it, call me weirdo :p )
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wait until you're off school property, then show them the fake bomb. the school couldn't do jack.
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I was small fat and had several minor physical abnormalities (ears were .005% larger than average for example) and I dressed poorly though most of grade school, I was beaten, harased, torchered, atacked with a bat by someone three times my size while the rest of the class blocked my escape and cheared on the other guy, had large sport balls drop kicked at my head/gut, ear flicking, pantsed, mocked and generaly made miserable for a good chunk of my life (the last three years of grade school were particulary bad) to this day have lasting socal problems.
don't wory you've gotten off fairly lightly, just remember there ****tards and ten years from now they will be beging you for a job.
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Originally posted by Carl
wait until you're off school property, then show them the fake bomb. the school couldn't do jack.
No, but the cops could. :no:
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Zeronet has the right sort of idea, kasperl. (Well, not in the details, since you don't want to be expelled.) The power of group mockery lies in the one being mocked accepting the words as a put-down. The key to disarming the enemy is to be amused by their comments, rather than hurt. If you find it funny, and engage in some light joking along those very lines, suddenly you've turned their sword into a playtoy, and what was meant to cut you down is now building you up.
The social dynamic at work here is this: they take a tone of mockery and condescension, and we all too often accept without thinking the shame that they are trying to impose on us. If they mock us, and instead of shame we respond with laughter, the force of mockery is taken away from them, and they can either shut up and look stupid, or be transformed into fellow jokesters who have to grant you respect.
There is no cure like full-hearted laughter.
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I think its important to note that messing with their heads only works IF there's something in their heads to mess with in the first place, which judging by their immaturity there isn't. The most effective and efficient route in my opinion is just to tune them out and ignore them, act like you don't give a flying ****. After a few weeks (or months, if they're really thick), they'll grow tired of it (as people do if they don't get a reaction) and leave you alone.
That said, I've always personally prefered the following:
"Judoooo CHOP!"
*knee's opponent in the crotch instead*
Thats just me though, and in most cases that'd get you expelled, fortunately for me everyone in the classroom was laughing too hard (including the teacher, though not the guy in front of me) to do anything else. ;)
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Rule #1 - Everyone goes down if you kick them in the balls
Rule #2 - Knees are very vunerable and painful targets
Rule #3 - When they start to go down, keep going until they won't come back at you.
Rule #4 - Don't fight if you can avoid it. They're arseholes like the title says, so why waste time on them? If at all possible, get them roasted by an authority figure somehow.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
I was small fat and had several minor physical abnormalities (ears were .005% larger than average for example) and I dressed poorly though most of grade school, I was beaten, harased, torchered, atacked with a bat by someone three times my size while the rest of the class blocked my escape and cheared on the other guy, had large sport balls drop kicked at my head/gut, ear flicking, pantsed, mocked and generaly made miserable for a good chunk of my life (the last three years of grade school were particulary bad) to this day have lasting socal problems.
don't wory you've gotten off fairly lightly, just remember there ****tards and ten years from now they will be beging you for a job.
i also was/am small fat and ...
but i was realy strong for my age (i work on a farm 2 months every year) and when a guy a head taller than me tryd to beat me up i tossed him thru half of the class, i earned some respect apparently because i hardly ever got toutched after that
and thers of course my nickname Fütty wich im still getting called but after 8 years i dont mind anymore (fütty is custructed by Fat food and a part of the femal sexual organ , goto translate thatinto german of course). lets see i got called cat****er(because i like cats.......) the usual fat boy stuff and of course most of the teachers ignored me (ok thats normal i guess :D) oh yeah and i got a problem of saying "no" so they always came to me when the needed something ... oh and i get ignored by 99.99999% of the female polulation WUHU (im just a very good friend and good to talk to :blah: )
maby thats why i hate being arround people...
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Actually, while a crotch kick will incapacitate them for the moment, the resulting adrenaline rush will mean that they're that much stronger and nastier a second later. VERY bad idea, unless you follow it up with a kick to the face when they bend over, thus sending them sprawling and either breaking a nose or loosening a few teeth.
'Course, my main mode of fighting at that age was getting them down on the ground (generally by tripping them), and then, if they were dumb enough to keep it up, resting one foot on their neck, just to give them the idea.
... We were a nasty bunch, back then.:D
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
... We were a nasty bunch, back then.:D
Some of us still are. :nod: :D
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My Advice is to work your fat little ass out. Come back in a year, and see how many peopel **** with you then. you'll know if you are stronger, you'll lose fat, gain muscle, and then tall won't be stronger.
I've been in a few situations. If you work at it a little, you'll be plenty strong enough to wrestle the **** to the ground, "get on top" then twist one arm until it's at an off angle looking like a V then insert one of your knees against the throat/back of neck and apply pressure. You also want to make sure your target's legs are firmly behind them or under your body weight.
Now if you are the lazy type, then get over it. We all have problems like this, the best thing is to ignore them, find an intrest with them, annoy the hell out of them, become a class clown or make fun of their mothers.
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Working out's bull****. Pay good money for the same muscles you'd get being paid for manual labor- and for what?
I don't really advocate kicking the **** out of the people (I'm more the psych type), anyway, but I know how to fight, and there's damn little you can do to really hurt a guy who's bigger and stronger than you, that he can't do back doubly. Karate and all that **** don't really make a difference, far as I've seen (and, once again, the kids I was stuck with in middle school were a buncha violent little bastards. I've trounced smaller kids who claimed to take karate, thinking it made them Instant Badasses, and I nearly had my nose broken by one kid who was half my height, but faster and stronger than me, with no technique or finesse at all)
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BTW ignoring them does not help, and fighting only works if you are in fact able to win (it makes it worse if you fight them lose and remove all doubt in there minds that you are in fact weaker)
the only thing that ever seemed to work with any regularity is to fines the situation with some major administational figure to make them look bad if the ****off continues to cause problems, but this is quite hard to do right especaly if there are quite a few of them, at wich point this can turn on you and you get the blame seeing as there are a lot of people who have a problem with you.
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Eh, that's being a rat. Don't favor it as a tactic, personally.
Once again, probably the fastest and best way to solve it is to get real. School doesn't matter; if they've got such lacking personal lives that they have nothing better to do than harass other kids for kicks, who gives a **** what they think? They're losers (too?). Get a life outside school- doesn't have to be a social life, doesn't have to be something that impresses them, just something where you know, no matter what those little ****s say or think, you've got a much more satisfying life than they do, and they can **** themselves with their faces for all it matters. Or, just do without and come to accept the fact that it really doesn't matter, even if you don't have an outside life- the Zen approach.
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get a tactical baton they make up for differences in size well. aim for ribs, arms, legs. things that hurt but don't kill a well placed strike to the throught or temple will kill so don't aim there.
thread reminds me of a fight I had with my best friend in middle school. he was 6'2" and weighed 220lbs in 8th grade the kid was like a damn 14 year old linebacker. it was right after his father died of terminal illness. we where at lunch messsing around, I threw a cracker at him and he just SNAPED like a damn twig! he got a blow or two to the side of my before we grapled trowing a table over. I got control of both his hands and let him back me into a wall so he couldn't knock me down. swung him into the wall just as he grabed my shirt collar ripping it. that pissed me off. I grabed his ear placing my thumb over his eye applying firm but light preasure stating "you rip my shirt and i'll ****ing kill you!" we just stood there for about 15 seconds staring at each other. until I sugeted we "stop before some gets hurt." as I increased the preausure on his eye. he promtly stood down. we where back to being best friends within 30 seconds. The moral of this story is... it isn't size or streangth it's finesse, rapiers over broadswords.
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while you might not care what they think you will care about what they do,
when they get tired of no responce from you or you turning there insults back at them (oftine hard to do when every one around is trying to pick on you and will thus ignor or mock anything you say) and they decide that beating you with a metal bar would be more fun, you would soon much prefer the taunting
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Working out's bull****. Pay good money for the same muscles you'd get being paid for manual labor- and for what?
:confused:
I mean in your spare time. Sure you could do Labor, I never said you couldn't.
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Bob: Angry, aren't we?
Look, nobody's gonna be beating anyone with a metal bar, unless you live in the housing projects at Crackville and all your classmates have had prison sentences. They're just punk-ass, generally middle class white kids, in this and nearly every case, with ****ty, boring home lives, severe hormonal disorders, and in most other ways every bit like the people they harass only they have stronger pack sense and (sometimes) physical superiority. Having been on both sides of the equation (more or less, I never really ****ed with anyone who didn't deserve it, though I felt the urge to and no doubt would have if past experiences hadn't made me understand the receiving end), I can safely say that they will do nothing dangerous unless provoked to. And ignoring them is not provocation- though getting snooty or talking back can be.
So long as you don't take it seriously, they can't take it seriously- because, honestly, these kids literally never think about this, and it never occurs to them that merely talking **** can hurt other kid's feelings, etc. To them, it's just ****ing around, and they don't really expect anyone to get hurt too much by it, most of the time (sometimes you get a real sadist, who doesn't even consider others CAPABLE of being as put out as they would be, and thus will invariably take it waay too far). Piss them off, though, pick a fight, and that's another story.
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I _WAS_ beaten with a metal bar (a small one, only 1/4th an inch wide so it hurt more than did any damage) and simply becase I was trying to keep away from them, and (if you read my first post) a bat, granted it was plastic, but it wasn't a wifel ball bat, it was about the strength of thick PVC, the things I experienced went way further than simple ****ing around, it was direct and intentional malice.
and I don't live in crackville, I live in Belleville, and the school I went to had a wonderfull mixture of poor street thugs and stuck up rich brats all brought together under the cause of makeing my life a liveing hell.
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Well then, you either live in a really ****ed-up town, or did something to piss them off, because that's one hell of a lot of hostility directed at you.
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I think the simplest solution would be to buy a freaking backpack!
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I started to get teased, I followed the old addage "just ignore them and they'll go away", it didn't work
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Psyching them out is the best. Try walking up to them while they are with there "bad friends" and say something along the lines of "That was really nice of you to help the senior center." There friends will give them strange looks. As you walk away. Or you could just use incredibly large words that they dont understand, which in turn makes them feel stupid. And NEVER fight unless you have too. Some kid tried hurting me. After I accidentaly stepped on his leg (He was sitting in the middle of a crowded hall) I got a few scratches and detention. But I didn't get suspended. If someone tries to beat you up after school hours, A: Learn Karate and scare the Freakin heck out of them or B: Learn a wrestling move called the firemans carry. If executed properly you can humiliate the victim without actually causing harm (prevents suspension/detention) and deliver him to the office as a nice bundled package for ridicule. ;) Another thing you could do is learn some martial arts. And block everything he does without actually attacking them. It helps if you make it seem carefree. Embarressment is the ultimate weapon against those types of people. Just my 2 cents. :)
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hmm...going to a school which was comprised of mostly lower class ethnic minorities (hell, being white put me in one of the smallest groups in the school)...there also was the IB program (for "smart" people...only reason I went to that school). Got **** for being the "nerd" (as just about everyone else in IB experienced) for two years. Finally snapped one day when they actually tried physically messing with me, grabbed the closest ****er (there were three) by his neck as hard as I could shoving him into a wall, tripped the next guy, and grabbed the arm of the last and pulled him past me into the guy I tripped. By now we're surrounded by people. First guy is up and coming at me again, so I side step (dumb**** runs right on by), and grab him buy the neck again, using his momentum to run him into a locker. I then stand behind him pulling an arm up till he can't do a thing other than beg me to let go, and tell him to quit being stupid. After all that (about a brief minute or two total) I simply let go, and walk through the ring of people who had been watching.
No teachers or anything, and after that, they didn't say a thing about me where I could hear it. Funny thing is, I've never been in any fight or confrontation before or since...I'm a thin guy, almost no apparent muscle, scrawny as hell...surprised myself and quite a few others. Only suggestion I've got is to deal with it. Don't let it go on and get worse...
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Y'know it was days like that back in high-school that made me wish I was in America with the right to bear arms... :nervous:
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i've read this thread, and i think that they're a few good tips here, thanks guys!
anyway, the "just ignore them and they'll go away" thing doesn't work for me anymore. in elementary school i got harrased form the time i was 5, till i was 11, and a some more later,but that wasn't that bad. anyway, i kinda lost all of my patience since, and i can't stand poeple even trying to touch me because of all the fights i got in back then. a couple of weeks ago, a friend wanted to pat me on the back, and i had his arm twisted on his back and him against a wall before either of us knew what was going on. and that isn't just an exception,more like everyday life.
and i really tried to ignore this, for six god damnt months! after that i got that weird call from that idiot, the one i talked about in the first post. and i kinda snapped. im went to a teacher about it, and they said they couldn't do anythng without a name,and i couldn't start naming half the school. i also tried to talk to them and ask them to STFU, in a reasonable calm manner. but, it just got worse.
and to add to that, the problem is i really don't want to get in any fights, not again. because in my time in elementary school, i learned to fight mean, very mean. since i wasn't strong enough to do anything normally, my only chance was going for throats and trying to evade the punches.
i actually have problems controlling my temper, i haven't got really mad for about 2 years now, and i'm very proud of that. in elmentary, i sometimes went completely out of controll, and i mean completely. i didn't know what i was doing, and i only wanted to hurt the poeple harrasing me. right after of those tantrums, i would completely collapse and would hideout in some corner crying. i really, really, don't want to let that happen, ever again.
i think i might do something like tai chi, or anything that will let me controll both my temper and my body a lot better, but i don't know any good teachers/schools in the area.
anyway, thanks a lot for the responses!
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Ignoring them's different from not caring. If you don't give a **** what they call you, then it doesn't matter if they stop or not.
Because, short of abasing yourself or scaring them into making nice, you CAN'T make them stop. You can hope they grow up, but that doesn't always happen and it's a bit of a wait, anyway. If they're not actually physically beating the crap out of you unprovoked, there's nothing to really give a **** about- and you really have to abandon emotional responses for this sort of thing. I mean, it's not like they're some superior beings who have looked into the recesses of your soul and disapproved of what they saw- they're just bored teenagers making up whatever insults come to their heads. Doesn't mean anything, really.
Mostly, sounds like you're still holding on to the hope that you'll be accepted at some point. That doesn't happen so long as you make a good verbal lunch, and, if you're still hanging on their approval, it only happens when you become a follower, at the sacrifice of your own personality. In other words, it's when you stop wanting it that you can get it.
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it's not that i want them to accept me, but i can't stand the thought of myself freaking out again. i'm just evry afraid ofmore people getting hurt, just because i got mad.
i think i'll try tai chi or someting, perhaps that will help.
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a lot of kids have briefcases at my school, mostly just the ones that want to be different
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i just want my books in one piece, and i'm the only one. some poeple have those shoulder bags though, and they don't get harrased. ah well, even if i wouldn't have that briefcase, they'd probably find something else...........
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you guys are all stupid... no really... you're encouraging kasper to fight his way out of his problems!?
two things, ranging from least important to most important
1) If you're small, don't get in a fight with anyone
2) Fighting isn't a solution... some people think that way... "if someone messes with me, i'll beat the crap out of him"...
never every get in a fight unless you're cornered, and have to defend yourself... if you at all have to, get away, even if someone punches you, walk away. you'll look like a coward at the time, but people will respect you for it.
you mentioned tai chi... that's effective, but you'll only learn to fight after 10-12 years or so of practicing it.
listen to me now, don't get in fights... i've seen some of my friends that have third degree belts in martial arts get 0wned by ordinary people... you see, size DOES matter... if you're 5'10" and skinny and you get in a fight with someone who's 6'1" and is well built, it doesn't matter how well you know martial arts... adrenhaline is a very powerful drug... you can get kneed, punched, kicked, and you'll still keep going... this works the same with the person you attack. even if the person you want to fight is smaller than you... if he's fat, or more built than you are, chances are he'll win. size and height DOES matter.
above all, dont' listen to these guys, i don't encourage violence. if someone makes fun of you, you don't fight them, c'mon, this isn't a movie.
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Originally posted by Midnight Mercenary
there also was the IB program (for "smart" people...only reason I went to that school.
Yeah, they have one of those in my school too.
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Originally posted by Stealth
you guys are all stupid... no really... you're encouraging kasper to fight his way out of his problems!?
What's that, punk? No, say it again. I wanna know. What'd you say?
[shoves]
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Some short git felt offended because nobody likes him and im a tall person, so he took to pushing me in the back. The second time he did he, i turned around walked up to him and just plain went sick(ie whacked him) on him, he never pushed me again. But thats me, im generally known for getting real angry. Course, i wasnt stupid and didnt agree to fight him, thats just foolish, such things usually end up as big fights, as both people usually bring support along.
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violence is never the answer, and people don't respect you for fighting, they respect you for not fighting.
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Stealth, that's entirely contextual and you know it. Sloganizing isn't gonna get anyone to listen to you- particularly when the slogan's clearly not true. Didn't you learn anything from grade school?
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Originally posted by Stealth
violence is never the answer, and people don't respect you for fighting, they respect you for not fighting.
Fighting my way never worked for me ever. I was too small, too outnumbered, and far too ineffective at fighting anyone at the time.
I was given the whole nine yards in the early grades much like many others were here as well. Essentially it developed from a highly organized group structure amongst the kids at the time that essentially declared me not part of the "cool kids" and therefore very uncool.
This was definately a traumatic experience at the time...but it is possible to survive it. Survival techniques...those are the tricky ones because I don't really remember what they are. It was more a mindset. Whatever continues to antagonize whatever behavior it is, stop it or hide it or shield it from them as best is possible. When they find out, just leave, ignore them, let them kick up a whole bunch of fuss. It may carry momentum for weeks or months even...and the tolerating it is EXTREMELY hard...but eventually they do get a bit bored.
Their behavior is essentially this. They are attempting to seek and prove dominance of their position by picking on everyone else. Ironically, they choose the person least interested in the power struggle as their primary target...probably because they are cowards and can't loose (but we won't talk about their moral standards because we already know those are pretty low). They do this also because their own personal self esteem is so low and weak that they only can boost it by picking on others. They may LOOK confident but they are anything but.
And some of the other comments are true. Years later, they will either be begging for jobs from you...or....you will discover them in the local pizza pizza (or like place) taking your order while you talk to someone about whatever important thing your doing.
Seems hard to imagine, it was for me...but it does happen.
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Violence is always the answer.
the guy who says "c'mon, let's talk this out like men" well always be kicked. Haven't you paid attention in history?
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Stealth, that's entirely contextual and you know it. Sloganizing isn't gonna get anyone to listen to you- particularly when the slogan's clearly not true. Didn't you learn anything from grade school?
don't pull an an0n on me with those big words now Stryke... :p
contextual? what are you referring to me saying? that violence isn't a solution?
if so, then i still hold to what i said, and IceFire backed it up... these guys are looking for attention, and they pick on other people... they'll get their payback eventually, you'll see... but fighting them isn't going to work...
1) it's him vs. many people... and he's not Bruce Lee
2) what does that prove? that he fights and gets beaten? i'll bet that makes him look like a man doens't it
3) fighting isn't the solution to problems like this...
i still say: violence isn't a solution to any problem.
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*looks at atomic bomb*
sure got the japs to shut up, no? I guess they were already losing.. but the state still stands tall :D
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Maybe you never got in a situation where you could come out fine without fighting and winning, but that is most certainly not the rule in any event. Hormonally-charged ninth graders are kinda rough to be around, particularly when you're one of them, and if someone challenges you to a fight when no adults are looking, there's no graceful way to back out of it without getting in a fight whether you like it or not anyway. Never mind that there are a fair number of... well, we'll just call them stupid people, who honestly really don't get a point unless it's conveyed to them via a sharp jab to the gut and a fist facial, and often that point is quite an important one. I've met only one in my time (real crackead, too, and he kicked my ass), but I am not in the typical group, anyway- my region, most all the kids are just bored young wealthy suburban crackers, not the considerably tougher and more violent sorts I know outside the area, in the DC outskirts.
I suppose if you place pacifism above anything else, including your own well-being, violence is never the answer. But I'm not the pacifist type- with very few exceptions, I do what's necessary to further my own best interest, whatever that is.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
*looks at atomic bomb*
sure got the japs to shut up, no? I guess they were already losing.. but the state still stands tall :D
that's not fighting or violence in the level we're talking... that's war, and war's irrational and illogical... everyone knows that... look what's going on with the US and Iraq at the moment.
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Originally posted by Deepblue
Another thing you could do is learn some martial arts. And block everything he does without actually attacking them.
heh... in my school even if you just go defense (i.e. blocking)... you still get in as much trouble as the attacker, because you "participated in the fight"... stupid isn't it.
don't go violence under any circumstances... listen to me kasperl... considering what you've described and your circumstances, never ever think fighting will end everything, cause it won't
Maybe you never got in a situation where you could come out fine without fighting and winning, but that is most certainly not the rule in any event.
Yes I have, and yes, it's very possible to get out of most situations without physically fighting. Sure you may be called a coward, etc., but if you fight, you're not only lowering yourself down to their level, but the chances you'll get beaten are great.
The only time you actually should fight is when you have to defend yourself and you can't get away (i.e. you're surrounded, cornered, etc.)... otherwise, no.
Hormonally-charged ninth graders are kinda rough to be around, particularly when you're one of them, and if someone challenges you to a fight when no adults are looking, there's no graceful way to back out of it without getting in a fight whether you like it or not anyway.
be the better man: walk away. it's usually possible.
you're all encouraging kasperl, who's admitted ther'es MORE THAN ONE PERSON making fun/taunting/etc. him to fight them. he also says he's smaller than them, but yet you still encourage him to "fight"? what chance does he have... really...
!?
don't do it
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that's not war.. that's Bush. And it is violence. You were talking about violence.. right?
It still applies. If you kick a person's ass, unless they are particularly vengeful, they won't **** with you for the time being. That's how it always worked.
I don't think I'd win any particular fights with a lot of people at my school. Most are either twice my size, in a gang, or so stoned off their ass, they would kill me just because they didn't know what was going on other than a fight.
So, I don't **** with them. The people that I knew where semi-sensible, that don't/didn't liek me for whatever reason, all I did/do is ignore them/help them out when they need it/when i feel like it, and basically be nice to them and I'm fine. I have enough old friends and new ones where I'm "secure" and I don't think I'd have to worry if I got picked on to where I couldn't handle it. Friends, other than really good ones that you do stuff with are semi pointless and argueably a waste of effort, but it helps to have groups around that stick up for each other. I kinda learned that a few years ago, and have been "experimenting" ever since, and it seems to work fine.
Argueably, violence isn't the most effective way of getting a point across, but then again, when you're dealing with idiots, neither are words or pacifism.
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Stealth: I'm not talking about times when you'll be called chicken**** if you walk away. I'm talking about times when, if you turn your back, you're going to find yourself very suddenly with your nose into the wall and your back feeling like it's about to snap 'cos someone's got their foot on it, pressing it at an odd angle to the wall, while said someone pounds away at you from behind. Me, I'm not into gestures if it means a severe tactical disadvantage when the fight inevitably starts.
And I'm not encouraging him to fight. I'm just pointing out that stretching the truth in order to back up some blanket statement isn't exactly demonstrating reliabaility, and that since everyone knows there are times that fighting is not only the solution, but something that cannot be avoided, denying that fact just discredits you, and makes ANYONE less likely to pay attention to what you have to say.
There are times for fighting, and times for not fighting. If you're weaker than the person you're fighting, common sense alone would dictate that it's best to avoid getting physical. Most of the time, this is the case no matter what. But not always. And it's usually handy to be ready for that "not always".
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that's not war.. that's Bush. And it is violence. You were talking about violence.. right?
realize that governments are generally corrupt, and what they tell the public when it comes to this are also generally lies.
It still applies. If you kick a person's ass, unless they are particularly vengeful, they won't **** with you for the time being. That's how it always worked.
possibly, but:
1) what if it's not just one person... in kasperl's case there's multiple people... want to go on a rampage kicking half the school's ass?
2) what if you lose? quite a big possibility in kasperl's case.
I don't think I'd win any particular fights with a lot of people at my school. Most are either twice my size, in a gang, or so stoned off their ass, they would kill me just because they didn't know what was going on other than a fight.
Argueably, violence isn't the most effective way of getting a point across, but then again, when you're dealing with idiots, neither are words or pacifism.
right, but when those 'idiots' you're dealing with can kick your ass, you don't mess with them.
even so, back in 9th grade there was a bully and he and his friends (well, his friends watched and laughed) on one occasion waited when i was coming out for lunch, and then just started pushing me! (this guy was a wrestler, he was a few inches taller than me... at the time i was only about 5'9", and he weighed a good 50 pounds more than me: two factors that guarantee a loss) then (get this) as i kept walking, ignoring him, he came up, grabbed my shoulder, turned me around, and punched me in the chin, can you believe it? he did that twice. i stood there, and looked at him dancing around with his hands up like a boxer, then turned and walked away. obviously for a day or so he talked about how i was a coward and didn't want to fight because i'd get my ass kicked, etc. and he even wanted to meet me somewhere (at my choice of location and time) to fight me! hehehe... i still to this day don't know why he wanted to fight me... beats me!
yeah, but still, if you don't fight, people eventually respect you for not lowering yourself down to other people's level. fighting isn't the answer Knight Templar... don't let movies and self-defense classes fool you, they're really not: regardless whether you know how to fight or not
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Stealth: I'm not talking about times when you'll be called chicken**** if you walk away. I'm talking about times when, if you turn your back, you're going to find yourself very suddenly with your nose into the wall and your back feeling like it's about to snap 'cos someone's got their foot on it, pressing it at an odd angle to the wall, while said someone pounds away at you from behind.
i apologize, i thought you meant walking away when you've been pushed/challenged/etc. was stupid.
yeah, obviously if you can't get away (see a few posts up what i said) and you know you can't turn your back then you fight back in self-defense (note!)
And I'm not encouraging him to fight. I'm just pointing out that stretching the truth in order to back up some blanket statement isn't exactly demonstrating reliabaility, and that since everyone knows there are times that fighting is not only the solution, but something that cannot be avoided, denying that fact just discredits you, and makes ANYONE less likely to pay attention to what you have to say.
if you're not encouraging him to fight then why even bring up the thought! he's managed without fighting until now, let him realize that it's not going to work now!
There are times for fighting, and times for not fighting. If you're weaker than the person you're fighting, common sense alone would dictate that it's best to avoid getting physical. Most of the time, this is the case no matter what. But not always. And it's usually handy to be ready for that "not always".
yeah, well there's been plenty of times i can remember that i could've fought someone (i.e. someone "challenged" me that i know i could beat) but i turn and walk away.
one occasion i remember clearly was about 6 months ago, in the halls, i was walking, and suddenly these two freshmen (yeah, freshmen, a good 2-3 years younger than me, and a good 6 inches smaller than me) attacked each other right in front of me, and started punching and stuff... they were like locked together, you know... heh... well i kept on walking, it was too late for me to avoid them, and i just seperated them gently (what else could i do, i'm suddenly on top of them... but no one noticed this, no circle was forming, or anything) and i said "c'mon guys...".
i thought nothing of it and kept walking... about 3 steps further, the one smaller guy had run away, this hispanic (mexican) guy (the other one) pushes me from behind! (now that's one thing i can't stand)... he's like "what *****? what?"... stands his arms out.
now i know, i KNOW i could've destroyed him in about 3 seconds... i'd just seen him "fight" someone, and i knew everything he knew about his fighting style... he had nothing he could use against me that he hadn't used against that other guy, and all he did was plain punch and kick like an animal, so i knew he had no chance. in that split second i was thinking all the ways i could just put him down and walk away, but that's also considered fighting... what did i do? i nodded, turned, and walked away. sure you may get a few "you afraid to fight?" or similar remarks, but in the end you're respected... always. i'll avoid a fight if at all possible... if there's any way to get out of physically fighting, then i'll take it.
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Dude.. i'm not saying you go around kicking everyone's ass who looks at you the wrong way, but in my position, walking away would only get other people on my ass for being a pussy.
So you obviously must have done something to him somehow. Like I said, I can't go around just fighting people, but what i'm impling is that sometimes, you have no choice. I don't really know if Kas can or not.. I still don't see why he doesn't just get a damn backpack like the rest of us, but say someone came up and cornered him with a baseball bat? He supposed to go all Picard on mr. McGuire's ass and talk it out while he gets his ass smacked out of Cardinal Stadium or does he put up an instinctive defense?
Is that unrealistic and movie-like? I think not.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Dude.. i'm not saying you go around kicking everyone's ass who looks at you the wrong way, but in my position, walking away would only get other people on my ass for being a pussy.
it just shows how much you know Knight Templar...
how much experience do you have in this by the way?
walking away doesn't make you a pussy, it makes you better than the other person, it makes people respect you.
EDIT: how many times do i have to say that SELF-DEFENSE ISN"T FIGHTING!!! if you're CORNERED (i must have said this at least three times in this thread) and you CAN"T GET AWAY, then you FIGHT BACK... that's OK, i've only had to do that twice in my life, but that's not fighting, that's self-defense... you FIGHT out of SELF-DEFENSE
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Oy gewalt...
Stealth, you've been listening to guidance counselors too long. As I said, I've been on both sides of the equation, and I KNOW that after someone backs out of a fight, the rest of the kids don't stand around going "Boy! Will you look at that! He didn't descend to our moronic level! I really want to be like him some day!". What you see in front of you is about what you get behind you. No respect for pacifism. Hell, I'm not one of the ones so uncomfortable with my own persona that I need to bother others, and I'm STILL rooting for the kid getting messed with to take a swing once in a while. Pacifism... well, you're no Ghandi for not getting into a schoolyard brawl, and they know it.
'Course, worrying about respect from guys who have nothign better to do than attack other people unprovoked in order to feel badass isn't really too high on priorities for most.
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Originally posted by Stealth
it just shows how much you know Knight Templar...
how much experience do you have in this by the way?
walking away doesn't make you a pussy, it makes you better than the other person, it makes people respect you.
EDIT: how many times do i have to say that SELF-DEFENSE ISN"T FIGHTING!!! if you're CORNERED (i must have said this at least three times in this thread) and you CAN"T GET AWAY, then you FIGHT BACK... that's OK, i've only had to do that twice in my life, but that's not fighting, that's self-defense... you FIGHT out of SELF-DEFENSE [/B]
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Bullies usually come in groups dude. Groups don't usually let you leave. And leaving would only worsen your situation. being mocked and chased after by more "badasses" would be the end result of somebody weaker walking away from a fight. They only way you would get respect for running away is if you are noticibly stronger than your would be challenger.
I agree with Strykey here, and the best thing is to not get in a fight at all if you can't handle it or don't want to. Walking away works great for unwanted drugs, alchohol, cigarettes, drunk driving and all that stuff, but it can seriously back fire if you do it wrong in a fight.
EDIT: err.. experiance? I make it a point to observe. I've seen similiarly descirbed situations, hell a dude in my first period almost got in a fight with this big ass red neck the other day over Football IIRC. He hid behind his umbrella while Mr. Hick chewed him, out. Now while acting like a pussy was problably the best course of action for him, he would have done well to not piss off somebody he couldn't handle in the first place.
Now I know if it were over something "real" like a girl, family or personal attack, Mr. Red Neck would've went after his ass until he felt he'd hurt him enough. That's how it works.
So one more time.. Why can't he get a back pack? Hell if you still want to be an outsider, but don't want a back pack, you could always get one of those queer little rolling backpacks.. although I find those reason enough to start a fight with someone. :doubt:
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You wanna watch out for the guys with the rolling backpacks. With the handles extended and full of books, they make vicious weapons. Particularly mine, got these big metal legs that were ground down by the concrete, so they're all sharp and ****...
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*feels uncontrolable urge to gouge stryke's eyes out with a rusty crowbar*
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*whap*
*crash*
[blows the smoke off of 40-pound wheeled backpack]
What's more, it's at least two years old. It's doubly unfashionable. Come and get it.:p
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Em didn't have time to read ALL of those but general felling is not lost.
I have had simliar experiences (werid its like people run in patterns or something... :rolleyes: )
Any way!
When people make fun of you, if they are a force laugh at theri jokes! I was made fun of for my hair (big they called me affroman (before that song thing) and my dress sense, bag, accent - apparently its STILL english! ??? I live in scotland for over 16 years now! Dear me! Em... Anyway I found these jokes to actualy funny (yes about me, well they were) so I laughed they just though I was weirder but many didn't bother me (Have never got into a fight apart from primary school... (smacked some guys head into a scotish wall (badly made, rockes jutting out every were... coninicidently... that worked too). One thing I know for a fact is doing what they do back at them never works... just makes em come back at you with more power, more ideas and more horrible things to say or do
HOwever, in my view there is a time to laugh, a time to walk away and a time to bring the big guns out and humilitate your ENEMY! (sorry, to much 'Disturbed' ... what?)
(take note countrys who like war! Britain! Get those troops back here!!! Iraq could invade Britain and we would stand no chance! Aside from the logistics of Iraq getting here and the NATO thing were allies might send a coiple of troops to help out (clean up the bodies anyway))
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A think the scots are a little more prone to fighting then brits ;)
And there is no such thing as too much Disturbed dude :D
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Brits means scots + welsh + english + Northan Irish +a little island of spain (well kinda:nervous: )
Usually anyway...
yes, True on other point however:D :yes:
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The only time I've ever known anyone to gain any sort of respect for walking away was only after he'd turned up and the other guy refused to throw a punch, so he walked away. In all other situations, the guy who walks away/doesn't show gets jeered at and in most cases ends up being challenged and/or attacked more and more times because the challenger knows he's in no danger.
As for the name calling, it's kind of something you're going to have to live with. It can'tbe all that bad, if it was spawned by something a teacher said. When I changed schools, I got called a lot of stuff I didn't like at first - people were calling me by my surname and variations on it. T first, it pissed me off - I'd been called by my first name for the last 12 years after all. Ultimately though, I realized that it didn't matter, so I gave up worrying about it, ultimately got used to it until it was weird when one pof them called me by my first name. I even used one of the variations as the nickname on my leavers top. If your friends are calling you by it, and they really are enough of your friends to care how you feel, then they obviously see nothing wrong with it, so why should you? I've played hockey against people who get called (and call themselves) some pretty bad things, and they like it.
Live with it, then concentrate on the bvriefcase thing - it'll work out.
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I can't understand why people care to be honest. People call you names even if they don't know you and that to me just means they're an asshole, the long and short of it. They're the ones with the problem so why the **** should I give a ****?
Make friends with other people. Worked for me.
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I've read this thread and it's very interesting. I suppose the situation will be different for everybody, but here's my experience:
I was taunted and made fun of all throughout school up until a year into high school (when I was in 10th grade - 16 years old for those of you not familiar with the U.S. system). There really didn't seem to be any rationale, even in hindsight - people just needed someone to pick on. The way I got through it was with a great deal of moral support from my family (especially my mom - God bless her), plus keeping on my best behavior and making friends with the teachers in case I ever needed backup. I didn't have many consistent friends until maybe 6th grade, and I tended to compartmentalize school and home life, keeping them separate and just putting up with school - it was for learning, nothing more.
I ran the gamut of guidance counselors, and they frankly weren't much help. I tried the standard regimen of ignoring - that didn't work either. Eleanor Roosevelt said, "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent" and although that might work pretty well for mature adults, for children words are so powerful that they can be smothering. And the common saying that bullies have low self-esteem didn't seem true either. Maybe deep down inside they have low self-esteem, but outwardly (and perhaps even to themselves) their self-esteem is quite high.
Fortunately confrontations rarely turned violent (and I didn't experience violence at all after elementary school), and I tried my hardest to avoid any group that looked like it was out for a fight. When it did turn violent, I tried to either surrender quickly or escape - usually in elementary school the kids just wanted the playground ball I was holding.
Now here's a generally reliable and accepted playground rule - if someone comes after you and you fight back, they'll leave you alone, go pick on someone else, and warn their friends too - and you'll be free. It's best to do this when you're only accosted by a single person - other kids will rather watch than get involved. Unfortunately, this no longer works in the U.S. - either the teachers will discipline you exactly the same as the bully (which, in elementary school, is one of the most ludicrous applications of justice ever conceived) or you may even get sued. This worked for a cousin of mine in the U.K., but in the U.S., it's not worth the attempt. Self-defense is useful if you find yourself in deep trouble with no way out, but the best strategy is to tell someone in charge. Preferably someone who will do something, not someone who doesn't care.
Basically, I just endured it - avoiding the bullies whenever I could. But my patience and perserverance paid off when I graduated high school... I was class salutatorian, president of two different clubs, and practically the student ambassador to the school administration, while many of the bullies graduated by the skin of their teeth. I can only say that what goes around comes around - just be patient. Again, the situation is different for everyone - for kasperl, perhaps the best solution (as already mentioned) would to carry a backpack instead of a briefcase.
A final word of encouragement - my mom said something when I was still in elementary school that seems very profound now that I'm a more mature Christian - "God gave you [the bullies] to make you strong." I've thought about that a lot recently, and she's right. Even though it's a cliche, it's true - suffering builds character, and at the end you'll be able to say that coming through the rough experience helped you to become a better person. Just don't give up. :)
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OK i realize the majority of the community here are nerds who are always getting bullied (or always did)... has anyone here NOT been bullied? cause i can't recall one post from someone who hadn't.
fighting is not the answer... fighting doesn't help... when you're being bullied, fighting will not solve the problem...ever, you should know that by now.
i'm sure all of you that have been bullied never actually did fight back, so now when you look back you think "hey, that might have worked!"... well it won't
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perhaps people will call you a coward etc. for walking away from a fight, but even if you don't get respect, eventually people don't mess with you, because they know that you won't fight back, so what's the point.
oh, and knight_templar, when a 'group' of people tries to fight you, there's no way you're going to win, so you FIND a way out of it, even if you have to RUN away.
... or you could stay and fight... you might even get one hit in before the crap's beaten out of you
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mostly i just take my top off and flash a few scars and thats sufficient to make most arseholes can it.
School wasnt fun for me at all, I mostly drifted through it without too much trouble but being a rather sensitive soul life in general is slightly more difficult for most people.
Things change at university quite a bit, usually you find a bunch of people on your wavelength and you can stick to them - one peice of advice though: if you're not sure about someone and they're babbling about living with you next year, DONT GO WITH IT because it WILL screw everything up.
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Stealth: Can't beat a group? Whup one or two of the ones in charge and the rest back off- the followers are jackals, they back off if there's nobody doing the fighting for them. And since all it really takes is knocking the air out of those one or two or getting them on the ground for the others to back off, not that challenging. And then when the "leaders" see that their backup's gone, they'll clear, too.
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Stealth: Can't beat a group? Whup one or two of the ones in charge and the rest back off- the followers are jackals, they back off if there's nobody doing the fighting for them. And since all it really takes is knocking the air out of those one or two or getting them on the ground for the others to back off, not that challenging. And then when the "leaders" see that their backup's gone, they'll clear, too.
oooh i see, so you take down the leaders (that's you vs. a few people, but hey, that's easy right?) and the rest leave you alone?
no, you don't get respect for fighting people, not at all.
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í've read this thread, and i am very glad about al of the support here.
i first want to respond to those who say: "get a backpack". i don't carry this briefcase to be special,just because it carry's easier (IMO) and it helps keeping my books in on piece. i also don't feellike givong in to the bullies. because if i do, it would take about a week for them to think of something else to harras me with.
for those who say that violence is the answer:
i tried, trust me. when i got bullyed back in elementary, i got angry, very fast. fighting was a regular experience for me. and i didn't like it. because of my temper i can't get into any foght without losing control, completely. and that's one thing i really don't want to happen. i also don't think i can handle 5 or 10 kids about my size or bigger. i'm not heavily build, and i will get my ass kicked. on the other hand, also back in elementary, i once actually won a fight, i got 2 whole months without bullying as a result.
for those who say violence isn't the answer:
i also tried ignoring , as well in elementary as in high school. and i just can't do it anymore. not after this many years. i really respect those who can, but i'm not one of tose happy few. i don't want to fight,and i can restrain myselfmost of the time, bvut i can't do it forever, and i fear the day when i will snap, and note,that's a when, not an if.
i also tried going to a teacher, but:
my class teacher won't do ****, he's one of those ypes who become class theacher so they can brag to the parents, ut i just won't do **** if something really happens. and the teacher who is responsible forn the entire year, can't much since those kids will just go on the moment she turns her back.
i think i'll just trie to put with this, and take it out on some shivans in FS2. but i doubt that that will help tough......:sigh:
latest development:
the kids are throwing bigger peaces of food at me, it'was just some small M&M`s till now, but they switched to entire sandwiches at a time. on of my friends said (half jokingly)"go sit at another table, i don't want to get hit"
:sigh:
for al of those who were(or are) going thru the same thing, good luck,it will stop, but it might take a few years......
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Stealth: Actually, yes. You generally end up coming out worse off than anyone else for the one fight, but they think twice about a rematch if you did some damage and the ones who started it and you had to hurt aren't gonna be rallying any groups outta THOSE kids any time soon- the ultimate loss of face, "losing" with the odds stacked on your side.
Kasperl: Yeah, it mostly boils down to controlling not only how you act, but how you think. The not giving a crap works excellently, but it's something you have to learn. You can train yourself for better self-control (the meditation crap helps quite a lot, surprisingly), or you can wait a few years, when a degree of it comes naturally. Either way, there's no quick fix.
In the meantime, don't bring a lunch to school and snag one of those sandwiches instead. Make the best of a bad situation.
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Wait till you get to college. You start with a clean slate, nobody knows you, and nobody cares if you carry a briefcase. :)
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
In the meantime, don't bring a lunch to school and snag one of those sandwiches instead. Make the best of a bad situation.
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1) that's grose
2) no way,i have to eat half a loaf of brwon bread just to keep walking upright.
ok,enough with the funny stuff
i think i might be able to hold myself for about 3months, and by that time, they will have found someone/something else to anoy(i hope they get some sense en stop though)
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Stealth: Actually, yes. You generally end up coming out worse off than anyone else for the one fight, but they think twice about a rematch if you did some
if it's you (and you're small and weak, in kasper's case) against at LEAST 2 'leaders' as you put it... you're not going to do any damage... none at all... you probably won't even get one punch through, and even if you do, how much damage will that be.
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Originally posted by kasperl
latest development:
the kids are throwing bigger peaces of food at me, it'was just some small M&M`s till now, but they switched to entire sandwiches at a time. on of my friends said (half jokingly)"go sit at another table, i don't want to get hit"
:sigh:
for al of those who were(or are) going thru the same thing, good luck,it will stop, but it might take a few years......
Ok, so, I very rarely lose my temper, last time I did was when I was like 11 or 12, saw red, flipped, pinned someone twice my size against a wall. But I digress, if they were throwing whole sandwiches at me I think it might push me over the edge. I would seriously ****ing flip the table on them and stamp on their faces while they were on the floor and I would not stop until someone made me.
But that's just me and I'm not a violent person.
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one problem, altough i'm just as tall as those guys, i'm twice as thin. i wouldn't stand a chance. and as i said before, i don't want to fight, not again.
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Originally posted by kasperl
one problem, altough i'm just as tall as those guys, i'm twice as thin. i wouldn't stand a chance. and as i said before, i don't want to fight, not again.
see Stryke? what did i tell you!
don't fight, walk away, ignoreo them
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Originally posted by kasperl
one problem, altough i'm just as tall as those guys, i'm twice as thin. i wouldn't stand a chance. and as i said before, i don't want to fight, not again.
Seriously, I'm the least violent person you could ever meet, I hate confrontation and will do ANYTHING to not fight, but I mean, there's taking no notice and then there's being **** on and letting people walk all over you.
You don't have to go ape**** on them, just stand up to them and you'd be suprised how much they'd back down.
Have you got any friends that could back you up?
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Seriously, I'm the least violent person you could ever meet, I hate confrontation and will do ANYTHING to not fight, but I mean, there's taking no notice and then there's being **** on and letting people walk all over you.
You don't have to go ape**** on them, just stand up to them and you'd be suprised how much they'd back down.
i'm the opposite, and when someone's looking for a fight sometimes they go so far it's so incredibly hard to step down, you just feel like whipping their ass, but you can't, you have to control yourself
Have you got any friends that could back you up?
yeah, friends that would back up your decision NOT to fight... don't fight, even if you do have "backup"...
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Stealth: Over here, there's a thing called "Lad Culture", in which the opposite of what you said is true. As for being bullied, no i dont get bullied in school, not that anyone else does, nothing in our school ever gets serious usually, except for some people who are disliked because they think they are hard, when their not.
Also Stealth, in my case, he(ie short person who thinks they are solid) tried to make fun of me, but i just ripped them, which caused him to get physical, to i just retaliated once and it ended. In that case, violence was the solution. Its not a solution to others, but it works for me.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Stealth: Over here, there's a thing called "Lad Culture", in which the opposite of what you said is true. As for being bullied, no i dont get bullied in school, not that anyone else does, nothing in our school ever gets serious usually, except for some people who are disliked because they think they are hard, when their not.
Also Stealth, in my case, he(ie short person who thinks they are solid) tried to make fun of me, but i just ripped them, which caused him to get physical, to i just retaliated once and it ended. In that case, violence was the solution. Its not a solution to others, but it works for me.
i disagree
if someone i KNOW i can beat tries to fight with me i'll always walk away
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You cant disagree, i never stated any opinions in what happened. Fact of the matter is, i whacked the idiot and he stopped, backing down would of resulted in a loss of face and a continuation of his foolish comments and pushing :p.
You can disagree all you want with my attitude, your not me.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
You cant disagree, i never stated any opinions in what happened. Fact of the matter is, i whacked the idiot and he stopped, backing down would of resulted in a loss of face and a continuation of his foolish comments and pushing :p.
You can disagree all you want with my attitude, your not me.
I don't think stealth understands how it works over here.
You let them push you so far and keep walking away and it gets worse, no two ways about it cause I've been there. At a certain point you just snap and it's an automatic reaction, you can't control it, you "see red" as it were and you flip.
As I said, I will never fight unless I flip and that's something I cannot control, suffice to say you push me that far you deserve every ****ing thing you get.
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Originally posted by 01010
I don't think stealth understands how it works over here.
You let them push you so far and keep walking away and it gets worse, no two ways about it cause I've been there. At a certain point you just snap and it's an automatic reaction, you can't control it, you "see red" as it were and you flip.
As I said, I will never fight unless I flip and that's something I cannot control, suffice to say you push me that far you deserve every ****ing thing you get.
how it works "over here"?! Please tell me you're not talking about England.
I've lived in the US for 5 years and South Africa for almost 13 years... i know different cultures, so don't tell me how it is "over here"... humans are humans, and when they get mad they act the same.
it gets worse if you walk away occasionally, yeah, because the other person often walks after you, intimidating, perhaps pushing some more, etc. trust me, i've gotten in more fights than most of you put together, and i'm not proud of it. fighting does not work, not at all.
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As I said, I will never fight unless I flip and that's something I cannot control, suffice to say you push me that far you deserve every ****ing thing you get.
you're wrong, you can control that... if you "flip" it's your fault. and in most cases you'll lose
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Originally posted by Stealth
OK i realize the majority of the community here are nerds who are always getting bullied (or always did)... has anyone here NOT been bullied? cause i can't recall one post from someone who hadn't.
fighting is not the answer... fighting doesn't help... when you're being bullied, fighting will not solve the problem...ever, you should know that by now.
i'm sure all of you that have been bullied never actually did fight back, so now when you look back you think "hey, that might have worked!"... well it won't
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perhaps people will call you a coward etc. for walking away from a fight, but even if you don't get respect, eventually people don't mess with you, because they know that you won't fight back, so what's the point.
oh, and knight_templar, when a 'group' of people tries to fight you, there's no way you're going to win, so you FIND a way out of it, even if you have to RUN away.
... or you could stay and fight... you might even get one hit in before the crap's beaten out of you
#_~!Stealth!~_#
They don't usually all fight, but if you have a big enough gang of tards', and you were stupid enough to get into it in the first place, they won't let you leave. And what Stryke said .
And you can get respect for kickinging someones ass. I'm not saying he could should.. but you can. You take down the "leader" and his goons won't **** with you. Especially if you put on a good show. He's a "leader" for a reason. Sure He'll want revenge, but there's always a level of respect involved.
And why don't yuo just get a ****ing Backpack? They're wonderful, you can put things in one pouch and book in the other.. And I don't think your people would make fun of you for wearing a backpack.. Besides, you can still be different. Get a pyschotic rolling backpack or a pink frilly one or something to your liking...
And no, ignoring them won't work if they are at the level of throwing **** at you. You can't ignore that too well.
I enjoy pissing people off. And the worst thing you can do to someone who likes pissing people off, besides getting authoroties on them, is ignore them. But that's where the great world of physical annoyment comes in. If I were after you and you started ignoring me and not being affected by me making fun of your obesity or your mother or whatever, I'd swtich to physical components.
So bassically you can live with it, "give into your tormentors" ( which isn't so bad if you combine it with apathy. If you play it right, you might be buddies in a year) or you can learn or get your own posse together or whatever and kick their ass ;)
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
#_~!Stealth!~_#
what's up?
They don't usually all fight, but if you have a big enough gang of tards', and you were stupid enough to get into it in the first place, they won't let you leave. And what Stryke said .
i'll say it a third time: if you can't get out, and they're intimidating, then fight back, that's self-defense, and i encourage people to do that, not to sit and let their ass get beat... you'll probably lose, but fight back anyway
And you can get respect for kickinging someones ass. I'm not saying he could should.. but you can. You take down the "leader" and his goons won't **** with you. Especially if you put on a good show. He's a "leader" for a reason. Sure He'll want revenge, but there's always a level of respect involved.
you may get 'respect' (if you win that is, and that doesn't happen often) but you've then showed that you're willing to fight, and other people will pick fights with you then. if you walk away, you give the message that you don't WANT to fight, and eventually people don't constantly try to fight with you
And why don't yuo just get a ****ing Backpack? They're wonderful, you can put things in one pouch and book in the other.. And I don't think your people would make fun of you for wearing a backpack.. Besides, you can still be different. Get a pyschotic rolling backpack or a pink frilly one or something to your liking...
i agree this would be the easiest solution to your problem kasper
And no, ignoring them won't work if they are at the level of throwing **** at you. You can't ignore that too well.
oh, and fighting every single one of them (chances of winning: 0.045%) will work eh?
I enjoy pissing people off. And the worst thing you can do to someone who likes pissing people off, besides getting authoroties on them, is ignore them. But that's where the great world of physical annoyment comes in. If I were after you and you started ignoring me and not being affected by me making fun of your obesity or your mother or whatever, I'd swtich to physical components.
you would? i've seen pictures of you, and i can't see that happening, sorry :p
So bassically you can live with it, "give into your tormentors" ( which isn't so bad if you combine it with apathy. If you play it right, you might be buddies in a year) or you can learn or get your own posse together or whatever and kick their ass ;)
it's not "giving into your tormentors"... giving into them would be you doing what they want you to do: fight them, and lose of course.
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:wtf:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
:wtf:
check the VBB, general discussion
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:wtf:
Do you stalk me or something.. I don't ever remember showing you any pictures... what is it you can't see anyways?
And it would be giving into them according to what he said. He doesn't want to get a backpack because he doesn't want to give in. Read the damn thread and stop jerking off to pictures of people you don't even know.
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Originally posted by Stealth
check the VBB, general discussion
why?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
:wtf:
Do you stalk me or something.. I don't ever remember showing you any pictures... what is it you can't see anyways?
you posted like 10 pictures of yourself in one of the "post your ugly mug" threads... in fact, you even sent them to me for me to host them!
And it would be giving into them according to what he said. He doesn't want to get a backpack because he doesn't want to give in. Read the damn thread and stop jerking off to pictures of people you don't even know.
if he doesn't want to get a regular backpack just to be spiteful then he's stupid... if he can't afford a backpack or something then it's a different story
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
why?
because i replied to something you said :D
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you posted like 10 pictures of yourself in one of the "post your ugly mug" threads... in fact, you even sent them to me for me to host them!
uh.. no. I don't even have 10 pictures of myself.. Feel free to enlighten me if I am mistaken of course.
if he doesn't want to get a regular backpack just to be spiteful then he's stupid... if he can't afford a backpack or something then it's a different story
Yes he is..
because i replied to something you said :D
That's great. Want a cookie?
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i havent read the whole thread but basically people are throwing **** at you and really messing with you.
look i dont like fights, i've been in maybe 1 or 2 fights, but that was like in elementary shcool where it wasnt exactly for real.
still man, I i were you, next time somebody does that, walk up to them punch them in the nose. i mean for real. have some self respect. If i'm twice as big as you, those tht give me the right to make fun of you (its not just a little as i see it). So just punch someone really hard, even if you know you'll get your ass kicked, you gotta do it.
ehm, thats just my thoughts, if you lets this happen now, whats to stop someone from doing it your whole life. you gota just loose it, then you can take on people alot biger then i guess, cause i'm always fighting my bro (not for real) and even though he is bigger then me when i get pissed off he sees the look in my eyes and runs away.. just stop holding back, and you'll win the fight probably, and then they'll think twice before doing it again. pain is only superficial, but you gotta have some dignity..
btw i take no responsibility for anything resulting from you paying attention to my advice and following it
edit: instead of editting all my speling mistakes i'll just post this instead, alot faster: beware of spelling mistakes:)
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
uh.. no. I don't even have 10 pictures of myself.. Feel free to enlighten me if I am mistaken of course.
want me to post the pictures you posted of yourself?
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I dunno.. I might be naked. It may be best to pm them first.
Why you still have them is kinda worrying me in the first place..
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This thread blows.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
I dunno.. I might be naked. It may be best to pm them first.
you have no shirt on, and you have a beanie on your head in like 5 of them... remember now?
Why you still have them is kinda worrying me in the first place..
uhhh, because you sent them to me in the first place... you wanted me to host them so you could post the URL to them on one of the post your ugly mug threads... i've still got all the pictures you've sent me, of stuff you made out of lego and all... sitting in "/knighttemplar"
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oooo I remember the legos! :D still have those on my shelf.
as for the beanie.. uh.. I don't have any beanies. Must be my Stunt Double, Frank. He likes to walk around half naked and drunkardly. The family has to give him his bone to get him off the couch sometimes, usually it's with a grumble though.
Aw ****.. there he 'goes'. I hate cleaning piss stains out of the carpet.
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i'm TELLING you kid... the pictures must've been from a webcam, cause they only show you from like the bottom of your shoulders up, but you've got a beanie on, and you're posing in all of them
want me to embarass you and post them? no? good, then be quiet
EDIT: let me refresh your memory... it was a few months ago, and remember Shrike said something in another thread (it was one of the Stickied threads at the time) about how you should go to a bar and pick up chicks instead of spamming, and i said there's no way he (you) could get a girl because you're too ugly, and then you posted a picture of you with your middle finger up.
remember?
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Originally posted by Stealth
how it works "over here"?! Please tell me you're not talking about England.
I've lived in the US for 5 years and South Africa for almost 13 years... i know different cultures, so don't tell me how it is "over here"... humans are humans, and when they get mad they act the same.
it gets worse if you walk away occasionally, yeah, because the other person often walks after you, intimidating, perhaps pushing some more, etc. trust me, i've gotten in more fights than most of you put together, and i'm not proud of it. fighting does not work, not at all.
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you're wrong, you can control that... if you "flip" it's your fault. and in most cases you'll lose
:wtf: You know bog all about British Culture or Lad Culture. You know bog all, about the culture of being solid and being hard. South Africa and the US are not examples of British Culture. Knowing different cultures does not make you an expert on every culture in the world.
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Zeronet's right. In my other post I mentioned my cousin in the UK who fought back and now people leave him alone. In the US it's quite different - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, and you may even get sued.
We ought to just post a bunch of different strategies and let kasperl pick the one that works best for him (which we seem to be doing); this is an extremely subjective topic. :)
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In the US, you get all that segregation with Jocks and stuff. Over here, none of that exists.
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Yeah, it's revolting. The sports culture in grade school is almost a caste system. Actually, the sports culture in the US is messed up in just about every way you can think of. Name any facet of sports, and I can probably name something stupid about it. ;)
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Not to mention that the entire US is emphatically NOT like whatever he seems to have seen- I can guarantee, for every tough guy you get in Britain, we get two druggie ghetto wannabes who'll bust your jaw open soon as look at you.
It's a big ****ing country, man. Even I haven't seen nearly all there is to see, and I've been all the **** over it. Yeah, there are relatively soft places where your strategies MIGHT work, but there are just as many places on the other extreme, where you're liable to get shanked for looking at some Mexican teen-gangster punk crossways.
Hell, one of my good friends who went to college in Richmond this year, apparently she's heard two shootings right nearby and seen a whole squad of tough guys whale on some poor dude for little or nothing at all. I'm illustrating extremes, here, but it's just to illustrate, since you don't seem to listen when I talk about more normal life. The whole world is NOT a lovey-dovey place. Not for adults, not for pimply high-school teenagers, not for anybody.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
In the US, you get all that segregation with Jocks and stuff. Over here, none of that exists.
As Stryke says, don't try to give the impression that over in the UK it's so big and bad... if anything it's much milder than most schools in the US
for one the US is much, much bigger than the UK and naturally we have people in our schools from around the world (because they flock to the US, what can i say ;) :D) so we've got from everywhere.
you may have some big muscular bully, but as Stryke said, for every one of those we've got 10 knife-weilding, ganged mexicans looking for a fight
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Originally posted by Zeronet
:wtf: You know bog all about British Culture or Lad Culture. You know bog all, about the culture of being solid and being hard. South Africa and the US are not examples of British Culture. Knowing different cultures does not make you an expert on every culture in the world.
****ing spot on, what I was about to post almost exactly.
Stealth, also when I say that I "flip" and I can't control it, I seriously mean it, I remember nothing that happens bar a second or two and have to rely on people filling me in afterwards.
No amount of counting, breathing techniques or other anger management crap can work. Like I said I snap, it's like a reflex that I have no say in when it kicks in.
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Zeronet: "You know, things aren't usually so nice as you try to make out."
Me: "Yeah, here's fifteen examples from real life. And that's just off the top of my head."
Stealth: "Nah, you guys are full of it! You can always just make friends!"
Zeronet: "Well, maybe where YOU live."
Me: "Nope, not even here. I've seen it. Been in it. Heard about tons of it."
Stealth: "Nope, you're all just wrong. I know, I've been to one or two places without getting my ass pulped and have a theory! A theory!"
Stealth: "I'm on to you... you're all just trying to prove me wrong because of [insert random ulterior motive here]! You're making it all up!"
...
Something tells me this conversation isn't worth carrying on.
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yeah, i guess not.
pretty much:
kasperl = looking for ideas on how to stop getting bullied
Knight Templar = claims fighting's the only way out
Zeronet = claims the UK is big and bad, and none of us have any idea what goes on in their schools
01010101 = agrees with Zeronet constantly
Stryke = urges everyone to fight everyone else
Stealth = urges everyone not to fight anyone
everyone else = urges him to fight
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Not to mention that the entire US is emphatically NOT like whatever he seems to have seen- I can guarantee, for every tough guy you get in Britain, we get two druggie ghetto wannabes who'll bust your jaw open soon as look at you.
No, the point is that they AREN'T tough guys, most of the time they're little pricks that hang around in gangs and feel superior because you may be "different" (personally I find normality a highly subjective term). Like zero said (and you yourself earlier) ,you stand up to them and they tend to back down. similar deal with gangs.
I'd say for the most part they're just wannabe's.
However, I don't know if your familiar with Gypsies (gypo's). Not the happy funfair kind, these are pricks that would stab you for complimenting them, they seem to have a stronghold in my town and you either avoid them completely or have the **** kicked ouuta you.
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Originally posted by 01010
Stealth, also when I say that I "flip" and I can't control it, I seriously mean it, I remember nothing that happens bar a second or two and have to rely on people filling me in afterwards.
yeah, that happens to a few people, nothing wrong with it
No amount of counting, breathing techniques or other anger management crap can work. Like I said I snap, it's like a reflex that I have no say in when it kicks in.
...but hopefully you have to be pretty mad before you 'snap' ;) lolol
Originally posted by Zeronet
South Africa and the US are not examples of British Culture. Knowing different cultures does not make you an expert on every culture in the world.
oh yeah, and of course we all know how violent the British culture is
hahahahahahahahhaahha
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Originally posted by Stealth
yeah, i guess not.
01010 = agrees with Zeronet constantly
I guess twice means constantly. But no, the guy lives here and understands what the lad culture is like over here, of course I'm going to agree with him because I've seen for myself the type of behaviour he was talking about, almost every single time I go out.
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Now let's not go beating up on Stealth. :) Walking away has its own merit, and he did say that self-defense is necessary if you're cornered. The bullies may not recognize the moral superiority of just walking away, but the people who matter will. :nod:
EDIT: Too many posts! :lol: I was responding to StrykeIX.
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Originally posted by 01010
I guess twice means constantly.
considering you've only posted in this thread 7 times (up till now) and of those 7 times you've only made 2 points, and those two points have both been exactly what Zeronet has said
No, the point is that they AREN'T tough guys, most of the time they're little pricks that hang around in gangs and feel superior because you may be "different" (personally I find normality a highly subjective term). Like zero said (and you yourself earlier) ,you stand up to them and they tend to back down. similar deal with gangs.
have you ever met a mexican?
I'd say for the most part they're just wannabe's.
not mexicans
However, I don't know if your familiar with Gypsies (gypo's). Not the happy funfair kind, these are pricks that would stab you for complimenting them, they seem to have a stronghold in my town and you either avoid them completely or have the **** kicked ouuta you.
in america they're called "mexicans"...
no offense to mexicans or anything, but they're notorious for getting into fights, gangs, stabbings, etc.
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Enough talk. Let's do some pounding.
[picks up steel pipe that was for some reason just lying around]
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steel pips my ass
*rips out katana*
EDIT: but anyway, the bottom line is i'm saying don't fight unless you absolutely have to to defend yourself... these guys all say "fight, because even if you lose you'll be respected"...
...yeah right
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Originally posted by Stealth
...but hopefully you have to be pretty mad before you 'snap' lolol
oh yeah, and of course we all know how violent the British culture is
hahahahahahahahhaahha
Odd, I didn't see that posted.
Stealth, yes, like I said, it's happened like three maybe four times in my life. I maintain that I'm a total pacifist and I will not fight, I agree with a lot of what you say but not all of it because sometimes you can't let yourself be a target.
Also, British culture is violent just not in a trigger happy, ghetto style way. You wouldn't believe the amount of times I've seen people starting fights for no reason other than the fact that they are pricks plain and simple.
Most of the problem stems from "lad" culture which is something uniquely British which I guess is why you don't really understand it. Personally I don't really understand it myself :)
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[whacks Stealth on his katana hand, bludgeons him]
Call it reflexes.
And no, that's not what we said at all, and you know it. If you don't, you haven't been reading, you've been talking out your ass for the sheer joy of reading your own text. We also didn't "urge everyone to fight everyone else" or anything of the sort.
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Originally posted by Stealth
but anyway, the bottom line is i'm saying don't fight unless you absolutely have to to defend yourself... these guys all say "fight, because even if you lose you'll be respected"...
...yeah right
Which I totally respect and for the most part agree too. I'm just saying that there does come a point where enough is enough and if every alternative has been exhausted you have to stand up for yourself.
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Originally posted by 01010
Odd, I didn't see that posted.
Stealth, yes, like I said, it's happened like three maybe four times in my life. I maintain that I'm a total pacifist and I will not fight, I agree with a lot of what you say but not all of it because sometimes you can't let yourself be a target.
you can always be a target... if you fight then you do what they want you to do, and you lower yourself down to their level...
Also, British culture is violent just not in a trigger happy, ghetto style way. You wouldn't believe the amount of times I've seen people starting fights for no reason other than the fact that they are pricks plain and simple.
oh please dude! heheheheheh that's funny. hehe.
that happens all over the world in most public high-schools dude, don't kid yourself. hehehehehe that's hilarious.
... no, British culture is not violent
Most of the problem stems from "lad" culture which is something uniquely British which I guess is why you don't really understand it. Personally I don't really understand it myself :)
it happens all over the world, not just in Britain... did you know more fights occur in the US in junior high (grade 6-8) than in high school (grade 9-12)? it's something to do with hormones, and we all know that hormones aren't unique to Britain, they're all over the world
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
[whacks Stealth on his katana hand, bludgeons him]
Call it reflexes.
ow
And no, that's not what we said at all, and you know it. If you don't, you haven't been reading, you've been talking out your ass for the sheer joy of reading your own text. We also didn't "urge everyone to fight everyone else" or anything of the sort.
yeah you did, you all saythat if they don't leave kasper alone his only alternative is to fight them, and that once he beats their leaders they'll all back down and he'll walk away the hero
yeah, that is pretty much what you've said, the main idea.
yeah, i like reading my own text
EDIT: going to get dinner... not going to be back on (probably) tonight, cause i got a meeting, and then essays to write, and then bed. see you tomorrow, peace!
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Stealth, dude, stop being such a dumb ****.
The "**** you" picture does not include me with a beanie.
I've had no beanie since christmas. Those pictures were before christmas
Listen to people when the post, and stop being a dumb ****. You don't know everything. Never did I say "fighting is the only way out" only that if he is cornered and stands a chance, he should.
As said, having lived in to different locations does not make you an expert on anything. I've lived in the Ghetto for 5 years of my life, and I've lived in the semi ghetto for 9. As said, I don't know everything, but I know that if you get cornered by 6 mexicans with beer bottles and knives, they'll have their way with you wether you want to talk it out or not.
Now obviously he is from Germany, where the mexican percentile is quite lower i'd imagine, but race isn't really the key card. The point is, the Kid should [glow=red]BUY A DAMN BACK PACK AND STOP *****ING. [/glow]
Oh and as for the sports caste system, that's entirely true :nods:
Top would be American Football and the bottom would be Swimming/Badmitton :D
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Guess you weren't reading at all then. Once it got into HOW the fighting was to be done, if it was necessary, I contributed my own observations. Before then I had repeatedly emphasized that, unless you're pretty strong and fast, fighting isn't a smart move. But of course you missed that little detail, since you were too busy blowing hot air about pacifism and running away whenever you get attacked unless they've broken your legs or tied your shoelaces together in advance so you can't escape.
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Originally posted by Stealth
oh please dude! heheheheheh that's funny. hehe.
that happens all over the world in most public high-schools dude, don't kid yourself. hehehehehe that's hilarious.
... no, British culture is not violent
I'm not talking about schools, I've been out of school three years. I mean just walking down the street.
I'd say that you couldn't possibly be a decent judge of a culture you know nothing about. Vice versa on my part, however, the "lad" culture I refer too isn't 13-18 year olds, it's maturer people 20+ that should technically have their hormones under control.
I have this huge posting about British culture and violence but I'm tired. Maybe tomorrow.
Nice discussion though :)
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Guess you weren't reading at all then. Once it got into HOW the fighting was to be done, if it was necessary, I contributed my own observations. Before then I had repeatedly emphasized that, unless you're pretty strong and fast, fighting isn't a smart move. But of course you missed that little detail, since you were too busy blowing hot air about pacifism and running away whenever you get attacked unless they've broken your legs or tied your shoelaces together in advance so you can't escape.
:lol:
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I have a problem controling my temper. I can snap prety fast especialy when i am in a ****ed up mood. My last fight was a year ago when some one insulted my mother realy bad, broke his arm and his nose and i am not realy strong only when i snap otherwise i walk a big circle around any fights. I normaly try to avoid fights and talk them until they are emberased in front of a whole group. I have learned to control my temper in a time span of a few years. But if you realy want me to attack you say something about my famely and i snap like a twig in such a way i don't know what i am doing anymore other then beating the crap out of the person. Other then that i am realy easy going and quit guy.
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Stryke: don't change your story... i've stuck to my one sentence this whole topic: "violence isn't going to work"... whether you like it or not, that's what i think.
Knight Templar: see next post
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Stealth, dude, stop being such a dumb ****.
The "**** you" picture does not include me with a beanie.
no, but the other 6 or 7 picures you do
I've had no beanie since christmas. Those pictures were before christmas
i never said they weren't
Listen to people when the post, and stop being a dumb ****. You don't know everything. Never did I say "fighting is the only way out" only that if he is cornered and stands a chance, he should.
then what are we arguing about? for i said the exact same thing: he shouldn't fight unless he has no other alternative
As said, having lived in to different locations does not make you an expert on anything. never said it did, i was just saying to Zeronet that just because he lives in Britain doesn't mean he's living in a uber-violent culture... and that school (especially those in junior high) kids are always getting in fights, usually for trivial reasons, due to hormones) I've lived in the Ghetto for 5 years of my life, and I've lived in the semi ghetto for 9. As said, I don't know everything, but I know that if you get cornered by 6 mexicans with beer bottles and knives, they'll have their way with you wether you want to talk it out or not.
Now obviously he is from Germany, where the mexican percentile is quite lower i'd imagine, but race isn't really the key card. The point is, the Kid should [glow=red]BUY A DAMN BACK PACK AND STOP *****ING. [/glow]
yeah, i agree with you on this though
Oh and as for the sports caste system, that's entirely true :nods:
Top would be American Football and the bottom would be Swimming/Badmitton :D
EDIT: the bottom line is: kasperl, don't get in a fight, regardless what these guys say. taking into consideration what you've told us, i doubt that's the way out for you.
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Yay for Badminton! I contradict that with a love for soccer. Wee!
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Originally posted by IceFire
Yay for Badminton! I contradict that with a love for soccer. Wee!
soccer's awesome :D
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no, but the other 6 or 7 picures you do
There are no 6 or 7 pictures.. there are 3 pictures. 2 of which are with you.
i never said they weren't
This means you have no pictures or you are wrong.
then what are we arguing about? for i said the exact same thing: he shouldn't fight unless he has no other alternative
You tell me. Either you don't understand what is being said or you are getting confused after changing my words ala "Knight Templar = claims fighting's the only way out"
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He's topic bipolar. Anyone who doesn't agree with him automatically believes in the absolute extreme opposite concept (not agreeing with the statement "never fight" equates to "always fight", etc.). Happens in politics a lot.
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Originally posted by Stealth
trust me, i've gotten in more fights than most of you put together
And you don't see this as a problem? Dozens of people all wanting to smash the **** out of you? Assuming that this is actually true, and not exaggeration on 'once some guy pushed me', or you count every primary school argument or sporting match a fight, then you must be either one of the worst pacifists on the entire planet, or spouting a whole heap of rubbish that your own experiences have proven not to work. Either way, this is a problem.
You should work on it.
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But he's telling you to trust him! :p
Stryke's right.. almost seems like november 2000 again.
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Originally posted by Stealth
I wasnt talking about IN SCHOOL, this is OUTSIDE. This is from 7 year olds to 25 year olds. Its not related to schools in any way, you muppet.
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Try and cool it down a bit please guys - HLP isn't exactly a Rift :)
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Muppet! :lol:
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look guys, i agree with thunder (or whatever he's called), calm down. no need to fight because of me.
anyway. does who say to get a backpack, i have only on answer:
"please, STFU!":mad: :mad:. i already said somethig about that, here it is:
i first want to respond to those who say: "get a backpack". i don't carry this briefcase to be special,just because it carry's easier (IMO) and it helps keeping my books in on piece. i also don't feellike givong in to the bullies. because if i do, it would take about a week for them to think of something else to harras me with.
i just don't want to fight, it wil only make things worse, because i WILL lose for sure. another reason is that i'm sure it is a bad way of handeling this.
BTW: i live in holland, read the location, The Netherlands.
situation update:
i had to go to the basement this morning, it's pretty much an alternate lunching spot. i had to go there t buy something form a shop there. anyway, if found out that they're aiming a lot better there than at my usual spot: 15 hits, inlcuding a sausage like thingie and a salami sandwich. all to the neck or head.
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
And you don't see this as a problem? Dozens of people all wanting to smash the **** out of you? Assuming that this is actually true, and not exaggeration on 'once some guy pushed me', or you count every primary school argument or sporting match a fight, then you must be either one of the worst pacifists on the entire planet, or spouting a whole heap of rubbish that your own experiences have proven not to work. Either way, this is a problem.
You should work on it.
in middle school and early high-school i was a punk and i'd take every sign the wrong way and get in fights left and right, but now when i look back i realize how foolish i was
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Originally posted by Zeronet
I wasnt talking about IN SCHOOL, this is OUTSIDE. This is from 7 year olds to 25 year olds. Its not related to schools in any way, you muppet.
ooooh :p
why didn't you say that? we're talking about hormoned punks in school :D
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Originally posted by kasperl
look guys, i agree with thunder (or whatever he's called), calm down. no need to fight because of me.
anyway. does who say to get a backpack, i have only on answer:
"please, STFU!":mad: :mad:. i already said somethig about that, here it is:
i just don't want to fight, it wil only make things worse, because i WILL lose for sure. another reason is that i'm sure it is a bad way of handeling this.
BTW: i live in holland, read the location, The Netherlands.
situation update:
i had to go to the basement this morning, it's pretty much an alternate lunching spot. i had to go there t buy something form a shop there. anyway, if found out that they're aiming a lot better there than at my usual spot: 15 hits, inlcuding a sausage like thingie and a salami sandwich. all to the neck or head.
You are still retarded. None of this would happen if you just wear a normal backpack.
in middle school and early high-school i was a punk and i'd take every sign the wrong way and get in fights left and right, but now when i look back i realize how foolish i was
You mean you aren't/don't anymore? coulda fooled me :p
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
You mean you aren't/don't anymore? coulda fooled me :p
naaa, i don't... really... i walked away from the first fight in my life in 9th grade and i haven't gotten in a fight since
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You guys will probably call me a wus, but your life at school gets as bad as it got for some people who posted here, you should try to move to another school. I know you may think this is shameful and cowardly but this is the lesson I learned. I was incredibly abused in middle school. I was always on the defensive, very sensitive to what everyone said about me. School was basically ruining my life.
I moved just before my freshman year in highschool. I was so amazed that noone picked on me. I made friends immediately. But it took me a long time to adjust. I lost many people I was initially friendly with because I reacted violently to anything that was even a slight teasing.
Middle school left me with significant social problems, and if I would have simply moved to another school in my district I would be a much better and more adjusted person right now.
I also learned that when you're faced with a mob of attackers, violence is never the answer:
One of the kids at my middle school was a mini-Hitler. His goal in life was to have power over the entire class. He picked on people who were weaker to look better than them, he frightened those who were opposed to them, and he rewarded submissive cowards.
One group of people he picked on were immigrants.. especially Russians. He was always saying things along the lines of "Russians are all stupid"... "we should send them all back where they came from"
And when I say that this guy was a Hitler, I'm not kidding..
I saw him lead the whole group of "cool" kids into whipping another guy with sticks till he bled for... get this... telling the teacher that the other kids locked him in the closet. He also picked on my friends horribly. For a whole half a year, one of my friends was targeted at every kickball game and had the ball thrown at him with full force.. for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to anyone.
There were many people who tried to change the system.. but they were outnumbered and often abused as well. Whenever anyone tried to stand up for us, the Hitler would accuse them of being gay and they would be treated just like us.
It was the third to last day of middle school (8th grade) and this kid comes up to me when I'm at my locker and calls me a fag. Just then I snapped inside. I wanted to grab him, shove his head in the locker and keep hitting him until he passed out.
But just before I moved I realized that violence would truly not be the answer:
1. He was popular. I wasn't. If I hurt him, all the kids would probably turn on me.
2. He would have the sympathy of the school, and I was only 3 days away from moving on with my life.
3. If he won the fight, he woudl become even more powerful, and would appear to be even stronger. He could then mess with other kids with no protest.
By simply moving on with my life, I became a better person, got 25 new friends, avoided an ugly situation and basically removed 99.9% of the problems in my life. I hope you will do the same.
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"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent!"
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Kasprel...just get a backpack, because you've kept on the path of loving that briefcase this long...the bulling is just going to get worse the longer you keep going on like that.
Actually...you'd be in much better shape if you would have changed the backpack thing to begin with....
(How do I know this? Its not like I bully a kid in school.......STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT....really........stop....I DONT!!!)
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Seeing Stealth's love of getting in fights here, I'm dubious about his ability to do so in real life.
Virtu: The backpack/suitcase thing is clearly not the whole issue. It's a handy topic to latch onto, but if it is removes there will be plenty of others. There always are. And running around beating yourself up to comply with a bunch of people who don't actually want you to comply with something, just to give you **** because they're bored and they can, doesn't solve anything and is an extremely frustrating way to live your life.
I used to go around carrying a beat-up old attache 'cos I thought it looked cool, whenever I had few enough textbooks that I could (I have since upgraded to a heavy-duty aluminum Terrorist Case of the kind you see bad guys storing bombs in), and I didn't get crap. Wanna know why? 'Cos at that point nobody was messing with me. When they WERE, two years previous, I believe the primary insult was "sewer-boy", because they'd seen me looking down a culvert once. Notice something here?
My advice, if you don't wanna just teach yourself self-control, don't wanna abase yourself to please them, and don't wanna fight, is to just wait it out. There's really nothing else you CAN do- you've rejected every solution so far, and you're just gonna get worse and worse ones from here out, 'cos those WERE the good, workable solutions. This thing doesn't magically dissapear right away, and if you're not willing to accept hte disadvantages of any solution, you're just gonna have to settle for not having one and hope your class grows up significantly in two or three years (they won't, if my class is any measure. Hell, they still make masturbation jokes and think girls are gross, except in porn movies.)
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Originally posted by Mr. Vega
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent!"
Pfff. That's just something clever people say before they get beat up.
And being fairly proficient in violence, I'd say that negates the possibility of me being incompetent at everything.
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I'm forever getting the piss taken out of me at school, mainly beacuse I havne't had my haircut for months. I also wear a German army parka of the 1989 type, the result being that I get called "Nazi" a lot. some people are just bloody stupid. There is a big difference between a red, black and yellow, three striped flag, and a sodding swastika!
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
I'm forever getting the piss taken out of me at school, mainly beacuse I havne't had my haircut for months. I also wear a German army parka of the 1989 type, the result being that I get called "Nazi" a lot. some people are just bloody stupid. There is a big difference between a red, black and yellow, three striped flag, and a sodding swastika!
Wait, do you have dreadlocks? Because if you do, I might know your long lost American Twin :D
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an0n's advice for the day
**** conformism.
I'm at the point where I have so much legend and fear surrounding me the only way I could be any more "Don't **** with me" is if there was a cloud of darkness around me and dull screams of pain emitting from my chest every time someone walked past me.
You can walk into school/college dressed like Krusty the ****ing clown, but if you've got the right attitude you can get away with it and still be feared. And I know this from personal experience.
If people have a problem with the way you dress, fair enough, they're entitled to their opinions. If they try to mock you for acting or dressing a certain way; they die. Simple as that. Someone mocks, take 'em down swiftly and violently. After you've beaten down a few people with a crow-bar only the complete psychopaths will try their luck and even then they'll still respect you.
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Wow, we have quite a fun topic going here. :yes: :D Anyway, I think you guys are confusing two somewhat seperate issues here: whether fighting in general in such a situation is a good idea, and whether kasperl should try to fight in this particular situation. Initiating a fight while being aware that you are no brawler is stupid, but refraining from fighting just for its own sake is equally dumb, so I would say yes for the former issue and no to the other one. If I were in your position I would try to laugh it off and drop in some witty remark every now and then; after a few weeks of that, the frequency of these incidents will probably lessen. (although here it really depends on whether it is a specific gand giving you trouble or everyone you see; the gang goes away with this in my experience, but). That phone call thing is indeed going too far though, so try reporting that to some administrator or someone. I really would not recommend switching to a backpack though, as that will draw much more attention than before since they would then know that you made the change due to their pestering, which would give them added incentive to continue. Of course, there is another consideration; when it comes to fighting, a loaded briefcase makes a pretty good club, so a couple of well-placed swings of that might silence them. :D
I personally have had some issues with these punk gangs coming up and asking me these weird questions, most of which did not make any sense to me (e.g. "how many times did you masturbate last month?" "ever licked your girlfriend's cum?" etc.), and this went on for a while. My former school used to have these ridiculous "pep rally" things every few months where the entire school went out onto the track area for a festival-like event consisting of loud music, banners, cheerleader dances, staff speeches and whatnot. These things went on for about a hour and a half and there was no choice but to attend or wait in that general area, so I lurked around in the corner of the fence and watched the trucks on the street. I was slightly isolated from the rest of the crowd, making me a prime target. Anyway, after three or four such encounters though they seemed to have gone away and just said hi when they passed by me in the future (I responded with one-word answers and an indifferent/amused attitude, so I suppose they went to someone else who was easier to annoy).
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent!"
hehe I remember this one, although if you think about it a second time it can be interpreted in exactly the opposite way. :D (last refuge, see what I mean? :D)
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an0n's guide to socializing and counter-bullying tactics[/u][/i]
Violence
If I wanna walk through college wearing a pimp-hat and high-tops I damn well will. If someone stronger or faster than me starts some ****, I beat them down to such a degree that no-one will even make eye-contact with me for a few months.
If I ever lost a fight I'd engage in a proportional response........on the proportion of about 5:1. The only time I ever got beat down in secondary school (and this was only due to the fact that he had about 15 friends with him. I'm good, but I'm not that good), I found the guy 30 minutes later after we'd both been sent on our ways home and I set fire to him. He never bothered me again. Infact I think he started avoiding me after that.
A guy once punched me for pretty much no reason, so I Judo-threw him on the ground and kicked him in the ribs till he couldn't breathe. THAT is what you have to do. You can either do that once a year and get some respect or get 0wned 365 days a year.
Throughout your life you are engaged in a process of survival of the fittest. You're either a predator or prey. In short, **** them up so badly that they won't be able to walk.
If, after an initiatly mild defensive action on your part, they retaliate, attack their families. I dunno, kill his dog and nail it to his front door or something. If they retaliate further, throw the leader of the pack through a window. If it STILL continues, take my Ultimate Approach™ and go looking for them with crow-bars (soooo much fun, BTW).
I had to put up with some mofo ripping the piss out of me every ****ing day, now normally I wouldn't give a **** because he was just mouthing off and I've got better things to do than beat down some punk, but others took this as a sign of weakness and began trying their luck. So, when he next decided to try and mock me I took a shovel to his face. Sufficed to say for the rest of my school-life only the complete psychopaths or incredibly stupid people dared even swear at me and they knew enough to leave it at that.
Violence is the quick-route to respect.
Non-Violence[/b]
But if you don't wanna take the violence route, just be more confident. That'll ward 'em off to a degree and it'll attract you a posse of lackeys that can be used to hunt/hold people down while you....err......'get some respect'.
Walk through the corridors and don't blink. Don't move your eyes to look at people, move your whole head and do it slowly. And when you do it, don't look AT them, look THROUGH them. Stand up straight. Never stand and look lost. If you don't know where the hell you're going, just look like you do. This'll make you look cooler and stronger.
Conclusions
And so, I leave you with some parting words: To maintain control, pack-leaders have to beat down someone every day. To topple them, you only have to beat them once.
So I got bored. Meh.
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yeah, but an0n, then you need to start with respect/strength in the first place.
Its a proven technique - blend in with the crowd. Atleast until you are 17 or so, then it becomes acceptable to be different, and most people are mature enough not to give you any hassle for it.
To kasperl : get a normal bag :wtf: If your getting that much trouble for it then its not worth it really, is it? Whats wrong with a backpack, huh? If you get one then they'll forget all about you in a week. :nod: ...once you are older you can have a grown up bag, lol.
Look, it makes sense.
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Not really, no. You don't see very many kids who would work up to about the torch-wielding mob level because someone's carrying a suitcase. It's just a handy piece of individualism to latch on to.
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Random question an0n...
Here in sunny sunny Worthing, people get arrested for that kind of thing. It's just not done. Extreme violence is frowned upon and rarely found anywhere other than dark corners on a saturday night. In short, it's your average quiet little suberb.
But supposing you were taking **** from some people, and had finally had enough - but did not want to make use of assorted long metal instruments - what'd you find yourself doing? Remember - violence is not an option.
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i agree with Kalfireth (;) ) 100%!
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Originally posted by kasperl
ok, i really need to vent about some stuff happening to me lately:
most kids at my school yell "a bomb, a bomb", "tick-tack, tick-tack" and "KABOOM" and things like that the moment i walk by just because i'm to only student with a briefcase instead of a bookwrecking backpack.
even the bloudy freshmen are yelling that! and i'm in third grade (dutch school system, 6 years of the highest level of high school, from aprox 12 to 18)
some idiot actually called me with this message:
"hello, i'm from dutch customs, we have found out that there's a bomb in your briefcase"
i've got a question for you guys on this: is it normal to do something like that to someone just because he is a bit different?
and on top of that people are calling me some stupid name some teacher "accidentially" called me one time, i really ask them to stop it, but even my friends keep using it.
Ok, I dunno how I missed this topic, nor do I have the patience to read through it all, so pardon if it's already been mentioned. But allow me a good :wtf:, and let me explain. Suicide bombers here either have explosive belts/vests, or a backpack filled with nails and explosives. A briefcase bomb? What is this, The Matrix??
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the whole briefcase bomb thing comes from movies IIRC
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Originally posted by Sandwich
A briefcase bomb? What is this, The Matrix??
:lol:
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From this day forward, I shall be known as... Flatular the Arousing!!!
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*sees a feature length Disney Movie in the works*
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[hopes it's not the same one he's seeing. Eww.]
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
From this day forward, I shall be known as... Flatular the Arousing!!!
Is this an official username change request? ;7
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Hah. Not likely. By tomorrow I'd have forgotten and I'd spend half an hour at 2 AM trying to log in.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Is this an official username change request? ;7
Since we're all fannying about with the forum, can someone give me a custom title? I'm the only prolific poster without one... :( *realises asking 4 one is risking great justice*
*runs*
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Noooo dont say that....or you'll become what Shrike did to meeeee.......*shrieks of terror*
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ok, i've read the answers, and as far as i can see, CP is the only one who agrees with me on the backpack thing. if i do change it, it will take about one week for the to find something else to harras me with. i don't think that this will ver stop, but i don't want to think about it, it will. just depress me more.
and one question for an0n? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING? i already said i wasn't big enough to take even ne of them, and there are a couple of groups, each comprised of about 5 to 15 people! how to hell do you think i'll do that? and as i already mentioned, i don't even want to fight!
look, i thank you for the responses, but i think the violent appraoch is something i'll avoid. i'lljust try ignoring, again.
and BTW, i already reported that phonecallt hing, they could do nothing, since i haven't got a clue wich one of the bastards it was.
and BTW2: sandiwch, i'll remember that, can i send them here to ask you?
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Good luck man, it sucks that these things happen but unfortunately they do - perhaps a bit more confidence might help though? Since ignoring people kinda goes in hand with being meek and shy about who you are around them - which might only encourage them further. At least stand up tall wherever you are, show that you might not rise to what they say and do but you're still you - and nothing they do can change that.
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Originally posted by kasperl
and BTW2: sandiwch, i'll remember that, can i send them here to ask you?
Sure thing - the more the merrier around these here parts! :doubt: ;)
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Originally posted by CP5670
I personally have had some issues with these punk gangs coming up and asking me these weird questions, most of which did not make any sense to me (e.g. "how many times did you masturbate last month?" "ever licked your girlfriend's cum?" etc.), and this went on for a while.
:lol:
I assume I'm not the only one to notice this?
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Originally posted by Thunder
Random question an0n...
Here in sunny sunny Worthing, people get arrested for that kind of thing. It's just not done. Extreme violence is frowned upon and rarely found anywhere other than dark corners on a saturday night. In short, it's your average quiet little suberb.
But supposing you were taking **** from some people, and had finally had enough - but did not want to make use of assorted long metal instruments - what'd you find yourself doing? Remember - violence is not an option.
I'd get a lackey to do it.
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Originally posted by 01010
:lol:
I assume I'm not the only one to notice this?
Yeah, it does seem odd they'd think he had a girlfriend.
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Originally posted by an0n
I'd get a lackey to do it.
And if there is no lackey? I say again that Worthing is not a violent town, people just don't do that stuff to eachother - ever.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Wait, do you have dreadlocks? Because if you do, I might know your long lost American Twin :D
No, but I am thinking about it.:D
Long Live German Army surplus! The parka was only £14! Bargain!
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
And if there is no lackey? I say again that Worthing is not a violent town, people just don't do that stuff to eachother - ever.
Fine. You just stare said person in the eyes and tell them to watch their back.
Tada! It's implied violence, but it's not ACTUAL violence.
Nailing dead squirrels to their door works better though.
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Originally posted by 01010
:lol:
I assume I'm not the only one to notice this?
I dunno whether to think CP is really that fricken sad, or whether he's actually some sort of normal person, who finds it entertaining to pretend to be some sort of ub3r n3rd.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
I dunno whether to think CP is really that fricken sad, or whether he's actually some sort of normal person, who finds it entertaining to pretend to be some sort of ub3r n3rd.
have you seen what he looks like. Do a search on post your ugly mug, and you find the answer. it´s not nice.
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Originally posted by an0n
Fine. You just stare said person in the eyes and tell them to watch their back.
Tada! It's implied violence, but it's not ACTUAL violence.
Nailing dead squirrels to their door works better though.
That'll do - thanks :)
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Worthing is not a violent town, people just don't do that stuff to eachother - ever.
Not even kinky sex? :nervous:
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*waits for Shrike to post something*
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Not that I can telly vyper, and believe me - I have been looking :)
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I've thought of a simpler, more expressive way convey the way in which you should act towards people trying to put/beat you down:
Act superior and condesending. Like being near them is offensive to you. Like it's not even worth your time to stand there and let them be ass-holes.
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What if they themselves are your friends - you don't want to be superior (as they're likely to ignore you) but on the other hand you don't want every day to be treated like a competition where they beat down on you?
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What are you saying? Do you get beat at arm wrestling by your girlfriend a lot?
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
What if they themselves are your friends - you don't want to be superior (as they're likely to ignore you) but on the other hand you don't want every day to be treated like a competition where they beat down on you?
Then you act distant, only really talking or interacting with them if and when you chose to do so.
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Mmm, you can tell I've got people problems right now can't you :)
In actual fact (aside from violence) I've tried everything you've suggested. Unfortunately when I act distant it comes off as moody, and so people ignore me right back and when I ask why they say "because you were all grumpy, we didn't think you wanted us to be around".
They have a point.
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These people sound like weak, whiney *****es. Find new, more violent friends.
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Oh, and as a general piece of advice for everyone reading the thread: Get some ****ing balls.
If your friends are dick-heads, get new friends. If someone pisses you off, punch them in the face until they fall down. If you get the crap kicked out of you, so ****. It's not like losing one fight is going to kill you (unless you're like me and tend to fight complete psychopaths (I once got in a fight with a guy who was holding 6 lawn-darts, that was fun)). If someone mocks you and makes you feel like crap, tell them you had sex with their mother. It's really not that hard to understand.
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Originally posted by an0n
Find new, more violent friends.
Sig Material.
However violent friends is most definitely :yes:
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I don't know how much more englightenment I can take from one thread ;7
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
I don't know how much more englightenment I can take from one thread ;7
Haha, got that right....
*high pitched sound* "BULLIES BEWARE! FEAR MY LEVEL 28 WIZARD!!!!"
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Originally posted by kasperl
ok, i've read the answers, and as far as i can see, CP is the only one who agrees with me on the backpack thing. if i do change it, it will take about one week for the to find something else to harras me with. i don't think that this will ver stop, but i don't want to think about it, it will. just depress me more.
I'm guessing you missed my post back on the first page. As one who suffered such abuses in high school prior to learning the advice I gave to you, I can tell you it works. If they are throwing food at you, expect it to take some time, but it will work.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Mmm, you can tell I've got people problems right now can't you :)
In actual fact (aside from violence) I've tried everything you've suggested. Unfortunately when I act distant it comes off as moody, and so people ignore me right back and when I ask why they say "because you were all grumpy, we didn't think you wanted us to be around".
They have a point.
I'd suggest a simple, non-confrontational confrotation - telling them exactly what it is that's bothering you, and why. You'd be amazed at the respect and consideration plain honesty brings.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
I'd suggest a simple, non-confrontational confrotation - telling them exactly what it is that's bothering you, and why. You'd be amazed at the respect and consideration plain honesty brings.
You'd also be amazed how stupid and whiney "friends" are when you give them a spoonfull of the truth
It all depends on wether you have worthwhile friends or not.
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Originally posted by an0n
These people sound like weak, whiney *****es. Find new, more violent friends.
with all due respect dude, you sound like you're wayyyy bigger than your boots.
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Originally posted by Stealth
with all due respect dude, you sound like you're wayyyy bigger than your boots.
:lol:
Tell me if anyone else finds this funny. Stealth, what is it tonight? Are you just delirious over the raider loss or what?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
:lol:
Tell me if anyone else finds this funny. Stealth, what is it tonight? Are you just delirious over the raider loss or what?
naaa
also the Rockets just lost to the Bulls :( :( :( :( :(
they beat the lakers earlier last week
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*hates basketball*
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basketball requires skill
also shaq is a bully, who got 0wned by Yao
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Did you know that a peanut isn't really a nut? It's a legume (sp?)
Sometimes you have to open peanuts to eat them. Opening peanuts properly requires skill. Just like Golfing.
On the topic of golfing.. who invented a sport where you dig a hole half a mile away and try to hit a ball in it with a stick, miss, then walk over to it and hit it again? Honestly, it makes basketball look good.
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basketball takes skill
grabbing an oval looking ball and running into people takes no skill
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Originally posted by Stealth
basketball takes skill
grabbing an oval looking ball and running into people takes no skill
You LIE
::Grabs nearest oval looking ball and runs into Stealth::
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Is that Rugby or American Football, you're talking about? Rugby is far superior, and was resposible for Douglas Adams' nose being only decorative, not functional.
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Originally posted by Stealth
basketball takes skill
grabbing an oval looking ball and running into people takes no skill
But what about tying your shoelaces before the game? WHAT ABOUT THE DAMN SHOELACES STEALTH!?!?!
*thinks about bringing up catching*
better not..
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Is that Rugby or American Football, you're talking about? Rugby is far superior, and was resposible for Douglas Adams' nose being only decorative, not functional.
i was on the school rugby team for 4 years... it's a good game, i was referring to what me and KT were talking about: football (american)
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Originally posted by Stealth
i was on the school rugby team for 4 years... it's a good game
hate to quote myself but what the heck.
it's a good game, but it requires no skill compared to games like basketball
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Throwing the ball to teammates while dodging 300 linebackers and trying to reach a goal that is at least 50 yards away takes less skill then boucning the ball on the ground and away from people, and then throwing it into a hoop?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Throwing the ball to teammates while dodging 300 linebackers and trying to reach a goal that is at least 50 yards away takes less skill then boucning the ball on the ground and away from people, and then throwing it into a hoop?
yeah, it actually takes skill to get a ball into a hoop that's only about 2 inches greater in diameter than the ball...
throwing an oval-shaped ball to a 400 pound linebacker who tucks it under his meaty arm and runs for the other side of the field while his teammates each jump on someone else and wrestle them to the ground takes no skill
EDIT
i want to change the last line of the above sentence:
wrestle them to the ground takes comparatively less skill
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I haven't read this entire thread, stopped on page four... Just thought I'd give my two cents worth on the original question.
I was "middle classed" all the way up until fourth grade. I went to a Catholic school, and their wasn't much fighting.
Once I moved to a different school in fourth grade, all hell broke loose. All the way until sixth grade I was teased to kingdom come. I just ignored it, because if you got hit (even if you didn't block, just got hit for no reason) then you got the same punishment as the person who hit you.
I got stronger during the first half of sixth grade (competitive swimming) so by the time I moved to my present location for the last half of sixth grade, I was able to defend myself. I got stronger still that summer, and now I am completely capable of picking on kids myself. It's the fact that I know what it's like that keeps me from it. Anybody that does want to mess with me gets punched (usually in the stomach or nads where it won't leave a mark to show the teachers).
So, I say, violence isn't always the answer. But I'd rather beat the **** outta somebody than be called a coward (I have to much pride, one of my weaker points), or wach my friends get hurt.
As for people mobbing you, fights in my school are usually well organized. If two people start fighting, everybody will stay back and let them have at it.
If somebody is going to fight you, and there's no way out, don't take it. Minimize your injuries by fighting back, and making lots of noise that will attract teachers that will break up the fight. It makes you less of a coward if the teachers break up hte fight before there is a clear winner. In most cases (at least at my school) if you show the courage the fight, making you more difficult prey, people will back off.:D
EDIT: Just remember, if they're bullying you, then you must have something they want. Which could be your intelligence, talents, or even a nifty briefcase so they can carry around all their books more easily,:D
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Originally posted by Stealth
yeah, it actually takes skill to get a ball into a hoop that's only about 2 inches greater in diameter than the ball...
throwing an oval-shaped ball to a 400 pound linebacker who tucks it under his meaty arm and runs for the other side of the field while his teammates each jump on someone else and wrestle them to the ground takes no skill
EDIT
i want to change the last line of the above sentence:
wrestle them to the ground takes comparatively less skill
err.. as the quarterback, you don't usually throw to your defensive 400 pound defensive linemen :wtf:
And even if you did, that'd be simple. He can only run 5 mph , give or take, so you go for the legs, and he's down.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
And even if you did, that'd be simple. He can only run 5 mph , give or take, so you go for the legs, and he's down.
i rest my case: little or no skill
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Originally posted by Stealth
i rest my case: little or no skill
no, but still you can't do it, go wonder.
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Well football's always been more about tactics and plays then mad skrillz, but you can't say they there is nothing. Basketball may be harder, but only in certain areas
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Originally posted by venom2506
no, but still you can't do it, go wonder.
i'm proving a point that compared to basketball, football is nothing when it comes to skill
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Originally posted by Stealth
i'm proving a point that compared to basketball, football is nothing when it comes to skill
Stop pretending to be so arrogant, at least I hope you are pretending. Football takes plenty of skill, and you know it.
if you don't beleive me, get a bunch of nerds or girls together to play and you'll see what I mean. ;)
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And then football (proper football, soccer to you yanks) is the biggest piece or arse in the world.
Tell me why David Beckham should get paid so bloody much for kicking a ball about, and looking like a sodding Mandarin duck, when useful people, like.. I don't know... Nurses, can barely afford to live.
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Hmmm.
It seems people have not discussed my extremist views on life for quite some time. Most puzzling.
*is an ATTENTION WHORE!!!!*
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
And then football (proper football, soccer to you yanks) is the biggest piece or arse in the world.
Tell me why David Beckham should get paid so bloody much for kicking a ball about, and looking like a sodding Mandarin duck, when useful people, like.. I don't know... Nurses, can barely afford to live.
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Sorry, we should say "AMERICAN football"...
the football myself and Knight Templar were talking about was American football, not soccer. in America "football" means "American Football"...
let's not get into soccer, this is between football and basketball (American football)
soccer is one of, if not the best game invented
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He knew what you meant and he was talking about soccer / British football. He's right - athletes get paid way too much compared to other professions. We have a nursing shortage in the U.S., and one of the reasons is because they're not paid enough (the other reason is because the insurance companies are too messed up).
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Originally posted by an0n
Hmmm.
It seems people have not discussed my extremist views on life for quite some time. Most puzzling.
*is an ATTENTION WHORE!!!!*
I didn't think of them as discussing, but more as trying them out for a feel of what it's like :blah:
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Originally posted by Goober5000
We have a nursing shortage in the U.S., and one of the reasons is because they're not paid enough (the other reason is because the insurance companies are too messed up).
welcome to the club. the UK has the same issue.
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THIS THREAD IS STILL GOING!!! Everyone has no life!
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of course not dude, what do you think HLP was created for in the first place
j/k Shrike :D :)
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:blah:
So...what single digit number of members on HLP dont belong to the local Chess/RPG/Nerd club?
...I love this thread.
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The only club i'm in is the KT Fan Club, which I am the president and the models of last seasons line of Victoria's Secret apparell are my cabinet.
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Hey guys, we should provoke fantomeye into going into a wild frenzy of closing down numerous threads making fun of his mother and sisters.
He hasn't said anything since the VBB shut down. :doubt:
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erm...KT...how about not...
oh, and I am the uber nerd...not only do I lead the RPG club...I lead it for the RPG system that I made up...
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Originally posted by Analazon
erm...KT...how about not...
What? you have a better plan?
you guys are so dull :blah:
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I say we introduce thirty l33t Ha><0r clones into the main forum, just to see what happens, and compare notes with what happens when we release same number of monkeys in the post office.
I know where to get some, and ways of removing them from their natural environment...
No, not the Counterstrike forums, though that could work, too.
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
I say we introduce thirty l33t Ha><0r clones into the main forum, just to see what happens, and compare notes with what happens when we release same number of monkeys in the post office.
I know where to get some, and ways of removing them from their natural environment...
No, not the Counterstrike forums, though that could work, too.
You know what that means, ROADTRIP TO KOREA!!!! Maybe Singapore too.
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Nono, SAIAM!!!!!.
It ain't a road trip without Bangkok :thepimp:
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...which is in Thailand. :rolleyes:
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same difference :blah:
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At any rate, that joke's so tired it's comatose.
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and you thought I meant for it to be funny...
:ha:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Hey guys, we should provoke fantomeye into going into a wild frenzy of closing down numerous threads making fun of his mother and sisters.
He hasn't said anything since the VBB shut down. :doubt:
YES!!!!!
who's fantomeye?
actually, I don't care as long as I can make fun of his mother and sisters.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
He hasn't said anything since the VBB shut down. :doubt:
you remember that? i didn't think you were around in the VBB era
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Originally posted by Stunaep
who's fantomeye?
he's the only person who's an admin of Volitionwatch and HLP. old school, very skilled, very nice, good guy
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When did he post here? I have never seen him post at all around here, but he did have a respectable 800 or so posts on the VBB.
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i've seen him quite a few times on the "Who's online"... just haven't seen him post. i talked to him a few weeks ago
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Originally posted by Stealth
you remember that? i didn't think you were around in the VBB era
uhh.. dude, that's why I came here in the first place. :blah:
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I smell a lock incoming.
!!!DUCK!!!
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Perish.
Edit: Hey 01010, nice guessing - this page loaded for me before your reply, so you sure were on the money ;)