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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 11:08:39 am

Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 11:08:39 am
Another problem I can't solve...

Some time ago, I updated my PCs memory (from 64 to 256) and bought GeForce 4. Before, I also had WinXP but now installed ME.

But now, I've noticed a strange problem - it runs slower than before (kind of). Though most of the games are running fine, all kinds of video files are ultra slow - .avi files are running bad .mov files are even worse...things like that. And it ran better with WinXP and 64 megs of ram... :doubt:
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stealth on January 24, 2003, 11:09:43 am
who knows... probably ME

exactly what was it you changed in the computer... was it only:

Graphics card
Operating system
upgraded RAM (are you using the same kind of RAM or are you using different?)


right?
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 11:11:52 am
Yes, video card, sdram and operating system.
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stealth on January 24, 2003, 11:37:32 am
twothings,
1) do you have the same kind of ram? are you sure it's compatible?
2) did you format properly?
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 11:40:19 am
yes, I have sdram and it's connected

I think so...I don't think anything went wrong

I'd reformat again but I've got about 300 megs of stuff that i can't lost...
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stealth on January 24, 2003, 12:00:21 pm
very weird... any ideas anyone else?
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stunaep on January 24, 2003, 01:09:57 pm
let's see.

1, make sure your geforce has the latest drivers.

2, make sure you ME has all the updates.

3, it could be a memory leak, or god nows what ****. in that case, a google search is in order, and prepare to meddle with your bios.
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 01:11:31 pm
How could the latest drivers affect the video performance?

And...memory leak? Er...like, wtf is this?
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Fineus on January 24, 2003, 01:13:26 pm
Firstly: Different operating instructions for the video card, better optimisations etc... make for better performance from the card.

Secondly: When memory is used for an application but then never freed up when you start doing other stuff - it remains "in use" and so instead of using 256MB you might find yourself with an effective 64MB left or something...

At least I think thats right...
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 01:16:42 pm
The memory isn't a problem here. Just something with video FPS...
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Fineus on January 24, 2003, 01:18:21 pm
And it never used to be like this? Perhaps just uninstalling you video card and all drivers then reinstalling with the latest drivers only might solve it...
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 01:22:47 pm
Nope, it's the first time. Funny...before I had an old ATI graphics card, 64 megs of ram and WinXP. All videos ran fine.

I don't know about reinstalling video drivers though. Last time, it ****ed up my PC but now I have about 60 megs of Third Twilight data on my hard drive and I'm not going to take the risk.
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stunaep on January 24, 2003, 01:24:19 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
The memory isn't a problem here. Just something with video FPS...


well, and where do you think the video is loaded while playing:sigh: .

So,

www.nvidia.com
www.google.com
www.microsoft.com

download those, then come back.

Oh, one more thing. Sometimes using less memoryeating progs helps. Try, bsplayer for example.
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stunaep on January 24, 2003, 01:25:30 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Nope, it's the first time. Funny...before I had an old ATI graphics card, 64 megs of ram and WinXP. All videos ran fine.

I don't know about reinstalling video drivers though. Last time, it ****ed up my PC but now I have about 60 megs of Third Twilight data on my hard drive and I'm not going to take the risk.


That was 8 megs, right? And just see if they´re updated first. And you can upload the TT stuff to the 3dap server, I could burn it for ya.

[edit] oh... you meant system ram.. sry
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 01:34:05 pm
Well...I currently have 165 megs of free ram but videos are still slow as hell. Video card is working as it should be, all drivers are updated, ASPI downloaded, all latest video decoders installed, scandisc and reg cleaners are done...still the same. :sigh:
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stunaep on January 24, 2003, 01:49:07 pm
Two more things I can recommend:

1: Try tuning your hardware acceleration for sound and video up or down. see if that helps.

2: Do a clean boot and see if its a software bug
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 01:57:29 pm
Still nothing. Oh well... :sigh:
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stunaep on January 24, 2003, 02:00:19 pm
clean boot no help?
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on January 24, 2003, 02:04:51 pm
Once more I call for a dedicated hardware section of the forums.
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 02:07:38 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Stunaep
clean boot no help?


clean boot?
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stunaep on January 24, 2003, 02:13:09 pm
running WinME without any background apps.

from Microsoft web page:

How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows Me
Click Start, click Run, type msconfig in the Open box, and then click OK.
On the General tab, click Selective startup.
Click to clear all of the check boxes under Selective startup.
On the Startup tab, click to select the *StateMgr check box.
Click OK. When you are prompted to restart your computer, click Yes. After the computer restarts, Click Start, click Run, type msconfig in the Open box, and then click OK.

IMPORTANT: Look closely at the General tab to ensure that the check boxes you cleared are still cleared. Proceed to step 6 if none of the check boxes is selected. If you see a disabled or gray check box, your computer is not truly "clean-booted" and you may need assistance from the manufacturer of the program that places a check mark back into Msconfig.
After you verify that your computer is clean-booted in step 5, you can isolate the issue. If the original issue does not reoccur after the clean boot, select one item at a time under Selective startup, and then restart the computer to see if the additional entry reproduces the original issue.

NOTE: When you perform this procedure, Windows uses the Standard VGA driver (640 x 480 x 16) for your display. This driver sets your display to a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels with 16 colors. If you cannot test the original issue in this configuration (for example, you have to run a program that requires a higher resolution or color depth), you may have to change your display driver to a high-resolution generic (Super VGA) driver or select the System.ini item to add your original display adapter back to your configuration. Note that if you add the System.ini item back to your configuration, you may also add components and settings with your original display driver. For additional information about how to change your display driver, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
131806 Windows 95/98/Me: How to Install or Change a Video Driver

How to Return from a Clean Boot State
Click Start, click Run, type msconfig in the Open box, and then click OK.
On the General tab, click Normal startup.
Click OK. Click Yes when you are prompted to restart your computer.
Categories That Are Disabled in a Clean Boot
System.ini entries
Win.ini entries
Static virtual device drivers (VxDs)
Startup items
Environment variables for MS-DOS emulation


NOTE: The following VxDs should be checked in the static VxD tab of the System Configuration Utility to ensure proper functioning for internet/networking access:


VNETSUP
NDIS
VNETBIOS
VREDIR
Title: Performance problems
Post by: vyper on January 24, 2003, 02:39:51 pm
You know, when I looked at this thread title I thot this was a viagra thing going on. :p
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 02:41:05 pm
Quote
Originally posted by vyper
You know, when I looked at this thread title I thot this was a viagra thing going on. :p


Oooooh no... :lol:
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stealth on January 24, 2003, 03:08:40 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Kalfireth
Secondly: When memory is used for an application but then never freed up when you start doing other stuff - it remains "in use" and so instead of using 256MB you might find yourself with an effective 64MB left or something...

At least I think thats right...


yeah, you're right... to an extent.  certain operating systems have better memory management, etc.  I'm not sure about ME, but even though it's a crappy operating system, this shouldn't be the problem.

Hey ToT, is it just the video that's slow?  or is it the whole computer that's not running as fast?  i was under the impression you were talking the whole computer, lol.
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 24, 2003, 03:09:56 pm
Just the video. That's why it's weird.
Title: Re: Performance problems
Post by: Setekh on January 25, 2003, 07:53:17 am
Quote
Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Before, I also had WinXP but now installed ME.


Out of sheer curiosity, why?
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on January 25, 2003, 11:32:05 am
I am just guessing here, sheer stupidity?
Title: Re: Re: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 26, 2003, 01:31:55 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Setekh


Out of sheer curiosity, why?


Because WinXP is a really big system hog but my PC is a bit crappy even without it. Running XP is the same as running say...Emperor: BfD in/on (sometimes I really hate this language) the background all the time
Title: Performance problems
Post by: an0n on January 26, 2003, 01:34:20 pm
*thought this'd be a thread about premature ejaculation*
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 26, 2003, 01:36:53 pm
BURN THE *****! BURN HIM!

I...don't...have...any...performance problems.

*****es...
Title: Performance problems
Post by: 01010 on January 26, 2003, 03:04:11 pm
Quote
Originally posted by an0n
*thought this'd be a thread about premature ejaculation*


Like that's a performance problem. More like "YOU WIN".
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on January 27, 2003, 08:15:49 am
:ick
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 27, 2003, 08:18:18 am
damn right you are...

*kicks 01010*
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on January 27, 2003, 08:24:57 am
All this barrack-room humour, BAH!
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 27, 2003, 08:29:14 am
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
All this barrack-room humour, BAH!


I'd say all this womenless men humour...
Title: Performance problems
Post by: 01010 on January 27, 2003, 11:56:34 am
Quote
Originally posted by Ten of Twelve


I'd say all this womenless men humour...


Y'think I should tell my missus that? :)
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Stunaep on January 27, 2003, 12:06:09 pm
Quote
Originally posted by 01010


Y'think I should tell my missus that? :)

the one you almost had a threesome with?

*kills himself for reminding him that*

hey, I'm stunaep again. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
Title: Performance problems
Post by: 01010 on January 27, 2003, 12:18:21 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Stunaep

the one you almost had a threesome with?

*kills himself for reminding him that*

hey, I'm stunaep again. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.


NOOOOO the pai.....hey wait, I'm over that.
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Ulundel on January 27, 2003, 12:19:42 pm
me...wants...
Title: Performance problems
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on January 27, 2003, 01:33:05 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Stunaep


hey, I'm stunaep again. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.


What was with the changeage, anyway?