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Title: This has got to be a record...
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 26, 2003, 09:27:55 pm
Four hours plus computer time, on a dual-CPU, high-line graphical box, to render one ****ing ten-second amination at 400x266.

It's about a third of the way through now, so make that six.


I think I'm going to go bludgeon myself in the head now until I get a concussion.
Title: Re: This has got to be a record...
Post by: deep_eyes on January 26, 2003, 10:47:40 pm
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Four hours plus computer time, on a dual-CPU, high-line graphical box, to render one ****ing ten-second amination at 400x266.

It's about a third of the way through now, so make that six.


I think I'm going to go bludgeon myself in the head now until I get a concussion.



:wtf:  is right....
Title: This has got to be a record...
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 27, 2003, 01:52:37 am
It keeps going and going and going... (9 hours)
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Post by: Corhellion on January 27, 2003, 06:17:38 am
Done yet Stryke?
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Post by: Styxx on January 27, 2003, 06:18:22 am
Pfft, nine hours is nothing. When your reach 30 you can start to complain about it.

;)
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Post by: Ashrak on January 27, 2003, 06:27:37 am
heeh it took 1 hr for a 10 sec ani on my PC :D
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Post by: Fetty on January 27, 2003, 08:35:06 am
god bless the dual 486 20mhz :D
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Post by: Ulundel on January 27, 2003, 08:40:02 am
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Originally posted by Fetty
god bless the dual 486 20mhz :D


Heh, reminds me my first PC. 286 12 Mhz... :p
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on January 27, 2003, 09:00:50 am
:shudder:
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Post by: wEvil on January 27, 2003, 09:59:47 am
you did optimise the scene before you started rendering, right?
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Post by: Stunaep on January 27, 2003, 10:00:34 am
post it when it's done, so we can point out a silly mistake that will make you rerender the whole thing.
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Post by: Nico on January 27, 2003, 10:10:00 am
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Originally posted by Styxx
Pfft, nine hours is nothing. When your reach 30 you can start to complain about it.

;)


yeah :D
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Post by: Stryke 9 on January 27, 2003, 12:53:36 pm
Stunaep: Moves too fast. Made it that way specifically on the second try. Plus, I already know about all the errors in it.:p

Styxx: On a ten-second, 400x266 animation? I think not, unless you're working on a computer made for DOS or going at sixtysomething frames per second.:p

wEvil: Nothing to optimize in it. You'll see, when I get it compiled... sooner or later.
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Post by: Nico on January 27, 2003, 02:19:28 pm
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Originally posted by StrykeIX
Styxx: On a ten-second, 400x266 animation? I think not, unless you're working on a computer made for DOS or going at sixtysomething frames per second.:p


no, but throw in a few hundred metaparticles, cell shading, raytraced materials, 5 raytraced lights, a lot of semi transparent raytraced materials for good measure, well, put everything as raytrace light or materials in fact, switch the renderer engine to radiosity ( go max5! go! ) and launch your render. and, dunno, gor for a trip, bomb a few buildings, and come back. no, not that soon, later :p
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Post by: wEvil on January 27, 2003, 02:25:09 pm
there is ALWAYS a way to optimise the scene.

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no, but throw in a few hundred metaparticles, cell shading, raytraced materials, 5 raytraced lights, a lot of semi transparent raytraced materials for good measure, well, put everything as raytrace light or materials in fact, switch the renderer engine to radiosity ( go max5! go! ) and launch your render. and, dunno, gor for a trip, bomb a few buildings, and come back. no, not that soon, later


In that case your geometry shaders suck, your raytracing algorythm is ****-slow or the artist doesnt know dick about BSP trees, using meshsubdivision radiosity instead of final gathering is utter lunacy and generally using MAX5 for production rendering is pretty laughable.
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Post by: Stryke 9 on January 27, 2003, 03:03:30 pm
wEvil: The scene consists of seven spline objects (one of which appears only kinda sorta, and none of which take over a tenth of a second to render), eight particle generators I can't modify greatly, and an atmosphere modifier. There is no way to optimize it.
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Post by: wEvil on January 27, 2003, 03:20:38 pm
take the number of steps down in the atmosphere modifier, do the same to the spline objects if they're surfaced or use something more efficient than MAX?

Also you'll probably find you dont need as many particles in a scene as you think you do with some intelligent materials tweaking.

Got a screenie I can look at?
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Post by: Stryke 9 on January 27, 2003, 03:25:10 pm
No, no, and no. I DO use something almost infinitely better at splines than MAX. Sucks at particles, which is the problem.
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Post by: wEvil on January 27, 2003, 03:29:13 pm
so, use something good at particles and composit them later?
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Post by: Stryke 9 on January 27, 2003, 03:42:23 pm
Such as...?

I'm incompetent at LightWave and always will be (reading up on it got me as far as getting hypervoxels to sort of work, but not work well, and the less said about my attempts to make Modeler work with me the better), and MAX is currently stuck on my old, slow-ass Matrox Millennium computer until I wipe the registry on here, and thus isn't any faster.
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Post by: Nico on January 27, 2003, 03:54:08 pm
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Originally posted by wEvil

1)In that case your geometry shaders suck,
2)your raytracing algorythm is ****-slow or
3)the artist doesnt know dick about BSP trees,
4)using meshsubdivision radiosity instead of final gathering is utter lunacy
5)and generally using MAX5 for production rendering is pretty laughable.


1) huh?
2) no
3), yeah, I have no idea waht a BSP tree is, mind you
4) no idea what you're talking about
5) sorry for not being able to  get a 5000$ renderer and being fed up with d/l warez.

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StrykeIX
I DO use something almost infinitely better at splines than MAX


now you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about :p
Max does suck a NURBs ( I'm the first one to be pissed off at that ), but it definitively has no pb with splines :doubt:

Anyway, Stryke, try and get Illusion, very good particle stuff, tho I didn't try to get them in a project, used the prog to do stand alone effects ( for FS2 mainly ).