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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stryke 9 on January 30, 2003, 02:51:47 pm

Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 30, 2003, 02:51:47 pm
Break out the champagne.

http://www.gamespydaily.com/news/fullstory.asp?id=4644

Too bad some of them are getting re-hired, and that EA is actually doing better, but hey; take what ya can. The strategy genre has been liberated.
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Solatar on January 30, 2003, 02:58:13 pm
What about Command and Conquer: generals?
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Ulundel on January 30, 2003, 03:00:58 pm
****. Westwood was one of my favourites... :sigh:
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Zeronet on January 30, 2003, 03:01:31 pm
:rolleyes: Westwood made ub3r l33t games.
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on January 30, 2003, 03:15:54 pm
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Originally posted by Hades
What about Command and Conquer: generals?


Indeed, been looking forward to that.

Ohh, if only you meant Mel Westwood, the drongo who runs the school's IT department.
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Post by: aldo_14 on January 30, 2003, 03:44:54 pm
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Originally posted by Hades
What about Command and Conquer: generals?


EA Pacific - I think.
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Fetty on January 30, 2003, 03:52:34 pm
meh werstwood was good (at c&c red alert)
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Stunaep on January 30, 2003, 03:56:33 pm
Screws generals, what about Tiberian Twilight!!!!
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Stealth on January 30, 2003, 04:08:08 pm
I'll remind you that Westwood and Cyro made the first Dune game
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: vyper on January 30, 2003, 04:18:02 pm
*delcares an official hour of mourning*
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Ryx on January 30, 2003, 04:47:19 pm
I think, we'll see more C&C games. :)

Generals has gone gold, so it's coming out. The Swedish edition of PC Gamer arrived in the mail today and they had reviewed Generals; Game Of The Month "award".
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 30, 2003, 05:10:42 pm
Eughhh... You liked that ****?

Bleah, Westwood hadn't made anything good since Dune 2. C&C original was a ripoff of that, and it's been cloning itself ever since. No strategy, no tactics, just tank rushes. No thanks.

That, and they kept buying out legitimately good game companies. The computer god's curse on strat gaming.
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Knight Templar on January 30, 2003, 05:18:31 pm
I loved everything they mad eup until Tiberian Sun.. hated that game. Didn't feel like C&C at all and the cutscenes only aplyfied the bleeding going on inside of my head.

RA2 was ok.. fell away from what RA via Yuri, but it wasn't that bad. I stopped playing RA2:YR when I got to the Yurivs Russia moon mission.. :wtf:
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Nico on January 30, 2003, 06:09:44 pm
oh, **** :sigh:
It disappears, just like that? no warning, nothing?

oh, and Stryke, you can stick your champagne bottle up your arse.

edit:
http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Games&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270351&obj_id=37596

well, at least, seems they haven't given up the C&C series. wait and see, as they say...
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Bishop Gantry on February 01, 2003, 01:45:33 pm
Hahahahaa... hmmm Muhahahahahaha... no thats not it Bwahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaahhahahaa... yes thats the spirit:lol:
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: kode on February 01, 2003, 03:05:31 pm
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Originally posted by Ryx
I think, we'll see more C&C games. :)

Generals has gone gold, so it's coming out. The Swedish edition of PC Gamer arrived in the mail today and they had reviewed Generals; Game Of The Month "award".


somewhat the reason that I stopped reading that. They live the hype. and stopped being the funney.
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Post by: Turnsky on February 01, 2003, 04:02:34 pm
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
I loved everything they mad eup until Tiberian Sun.. hated that game. Didn't feel like C&C at all and the cutscenes only aplyfied the bleeding going on inside of my head.

RA2 was ok.. fell away from what RA via Yuri, but it wasn't that bad. I stopped playing RA2:YR when I got to the Yurivs Russia moon mission.. :wtf:


i know, yuri's forces were WAY too imbalanced for my liking

plus the missions were a little "bizzare"
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Post by: StratComm on February 01, 2003, 04:16:15 pm
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Originally posted by Turnsky


i know, yuri's forces were WAY too imbalanced for my liking

plus the missions were a little "bizzare"


Weren't they though?  Of course, there were all sorts of cheap tricks that RA2 left open for exploitation, like the power and range of prism tanks or the force-fire speed of the Aegis, that made the game way too easy to cheap out on.  Early tank rushes or max tech were the only ways to go (High tech only against comps).  YR was not a very good expansion IMHO, if just because it turned a game with some serious elements (i.e. the nuking of chicago, Soviet invasion, etc) into a stupid comedy attempt, with a bunch of units that did crap and a side that packed no offensive punch on its own.  And yes, the moon mission was utterly laughable, especially since you still got the same tanks (running on internal combustion engines from their ambients I should add) and buildings on the lunar surface, and since you got a massive force (by both sides) to the moon on a couple of undersized rockets.  Just flawed in every imaginable way, and although the features added were fun to tinker with, I think they distracted from the replayability of the game in a major way.  On a side note, original CnC still ranks pretty high for me (and it's the N64 version too) if just because you felt like you were fighting for a purpose.  And seeing the last mission completed with 0 friendly casualties is possibly the best feeling that can be recreated in a RTS when you actually have to work really hard to accomplish that.
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: CP5670 on February 01, 2003, 05:58:15 pm
The original C&C is still one of my all-time favorite games, as it was perfect in just about every way (for its time).

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And seeing the last mission completed with 0 friendly casualties is possibly the best feeling that can be recreated in a RTS when you actually have to work really hard to accomplish that.


lol, good to see I'm not alone there. Although at least for GDI, I completed the final mission (the A choice) in a very bizarre way. There was a small area next to one of the computer's bases (but outside of it) which contained six silos and was only defended by a pair of turrets. I destroyed the turrets (the computer does not rebuild them), captured all the silos, converted the tiberium to cash and sold the silos. A few minutes later, he built all of them again in the same place (with my forces surrounding the area), filled them up, and I did the same thing again. This happened over and over again about 20 times until the map tiberium had all but run out due to his harvesting. This resulted in my finishing the mission with some 30000 credits and a huge army of technicians. :D :D
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Martinus on February 01, 2003, 06:38:34 pm
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Originally posted by Bishop Gantry
Hahahahaa... hmmm Muhahahahahaha... no thats not it Bwahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaahhahahaa... yes thats the spirit:lol:


[color=66ff00]Y'know the way when somebody laughs uncontrollably you get the urge to laugh yourself?
Reading that post made me feel like laughing. This is a little surreal. :nod:

On a less derailing note; it's a more cut throat market these days, no longer have you got guys coding games for the sheer hell of it, its all marketing. You should probably be glad that Westwood went under, it's a warning to the marketing sheep that you can't simply keep churning out the same stuff with a diferent wrapper and hope that gamers will buy it. Lets hope it starts an inkling of original thought amongst the bean counters...
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Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Terawatt_99 on February 02, 2003, 01:15:18 am
damnit... westwood was one of my favorites too... :(

and i don't care what any of you say, i liked all the c&c games that i played (tiberium dawn, red alert1, tiberian sun, TS firestorm, and RA2... [i never played yuri's revenge, but it looked fun...]) and i especially liked them becasue there were no unit limits, so you could have massive battles on multiplayer...
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Pera on February 02, 2003, 02:20:36 am
Westwood has not vanished, only it's own office at Vegas has been shut down. All of the employees have moved to Los Angeles where most of EA:s other people are. They still work for EA, and they still make games. The name "Westwood" just doesn't excist anymore.

I heard this from an Westwood employee, so I figure it's true.
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: IceFire on February 02, 2003, 10:03:50 am
Yeah despite outcry from the community...its pretty much just the Westwood name that is disappearing.  Their offices are closing and all of that but the C&C game that they are indeed working on (despite the press release - which is official and cannot mention unofficial things) is being moved to the new EA LA offices.  As is the EA Pacific team which is also moving there and will be working on the Generals Expansion Pack.
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Bishop Gantry on February 02, 2003, 11:09:14 am
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Originally posted by IceFire
Yeah despite outcry from the community...its pretty much just the Westwood name that is disappearing.  Their offices are closing and all of that but the C&C game that they are indeed working on (despite the press release - which is official and cannot mention unofficial things) is being moved to the new EA LA offices.  As is the EA Pacific team which is also moving there and will be working on the Generals Expansion Pack.


pfff atleast you could have given us a weekend to rejoice and dance celebrating the night away:D
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: IceFire on February 02, 2003, 01:05:05 pm
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Originally posted by Bishop Gantry


pfff atleast you could have given us a weekend to rejoice and dance celebrating the night away:D

So the elimination of a competitor to say...oh....Blizzard is a good thing?  I think not.  Westwood may be behind the curve most of the time and I've probably gotten far more multiplayer enjoyment out of War3 than I ever did out of RA2 but having the competitor there ensures that the other does not stagnate.  Plus C&C always held a special kind of interest to me...especially the original.  The original had style...I hope Generals catches onto it with its modern day approach.
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Post by: Bishop Gantry on February 02, 2003, 02:04:41 pm
i completly lost faith in westwood with tib sun...
when Yuris revenge came out I became anti westwood...
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Turnsky on February 02, 2003, 05:28:58 pm
*goes back to playing total annihilation*

fear my artillery
Title: Westwood is down. I repeat, Westwood is down!
Post by: Nico on February 06, 2003, 02:53:40 pm
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Originally posted by Turnsky
*goes back to playing total annihilation*

fear my artillery

fear the ubber plot?