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Off-Topic Discussion => Arts & Talents => Topic started by: delta_7890 on February 01, 2003, 12:44:35 pm
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http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpubimage.asp?id_=1484776&selected=
Welp, opinions? And yes, it's supposed to have an organic look. I realize it's far from perfect, but..well, I've seen worse. ^^;
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That headpiece there could be be useful if you were drawing Hentai... :ick
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
That headpiece there could be be useful if you were drawing Hentai... :ick
...I'm..going..to..kill..you..
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Originally posted by delta_7890
...I'm..going..to..kill..you..
But he's still right. Ick :ick
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Originally posted by Pera
But he's still right. Ick :ick
>>;; It's just an antennae used to replace the traditional V-fin that most Gundams have. By god are you guys perverted.
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Originally posted by delta_7890
>>;; It's just an antennae used to replace the traditional V-fin that most Gundams have. By god are you guys perverted.
:no: :ick :nod:
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Alright! Aside from the crest, are there any other serious comments or ciriticisms to be made? --;
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what kind of armor does it have?
Gundamnium, Titanium, or Stainless-Steel
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but the picture does look :ick like yo drew it just for insert word here
i think i understand what the "antenna" does. It being above the body the pilot uses it's antenna to enhance his pyschic power.
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Originally posted by neo_hermes
but the picture does look :ick like yo drew it just for insert word here
i think i understand what the "antenna" does. It being above the body the pilot uses it's antenna to enhance his pyschic power.
<<;; I can redesign it to make it a bit sleeker. The crest that as.. Aside from that, it isn't so much linked towards the Psycommu system as it is simply..an enclosed antennae for targeting and communication functions. It's basically an elongated radome. On a side note, being a Gundam, it does in fact have Gundanium armor.
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doesn't look like a mecha to be honest. normal humanoid in fact.
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Originally posted by venom2506
doesn't look like a mecha to be honest. normal humanoid in fact.
Well..as stated, I was going for an organic look and shape to it, though I can definately see that..well..it doesn't look too mecha-ish at all. >> I was almost going for an Evangelion look with this, but wasn't sure quite how to pull it off.. Any suggestions as to how I might be able to capture such an effect?
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Reminds me of Guyver actually
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Originally posted by Gortef
Reminds me of Guyver actually
Guyver was more of a coincidence than an influence actually, though I have seen the design. If I remember correctly though, Guyver is more of a suit than an actual mecha. ^^
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J/K u really shouldn't have drawing something like this, perhaps your talent should stay in the freespace2 related area.
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All of you Shutup:D
I like it!
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Originally posted by delta_7890
Well..as stated, I was going for an organic look and shape to it, though I can definately see that..well..it doesn't look too mecha-ish at all. >> I was almost going for an Evangelion look with this, but wasn't sure quite how to pull it off.. Any suggestions as to how I might be able to capture such an effect?
well, seems you know the eva is'nt a mecha. alright, well, look at it: an eva is huge. would have normal human proportions, it could hardly look cool. so the eva is skinny, very skinny actually. with arms very far from the body, etc.
Anyway, that's not really my favourite mecha style.
on the one hand, I like american style mechas ( battletech, which funily enough stole many designs from macross hehe ), on the other end, japanese-mecha wise, I prefer realistic stuff like the mechas in patlabor or blue gender, rather than those gundam multicolored things.
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Originally posted by venom2506
well, seems you know the eva is'nt a mecha. alright, well, look at it: an eva is huge. would have normal human proportions, it could hardly look cool. so the eva is skinny, very skinny actually. with arms very far from the body, etc.
Anyway, that's not really my favourite mecha style.
on the one hand, I like american style mechas ( battletech, which funily enough stole many designs from macross hehe ), on the other end, japanese-mecha wise, I prefer realistic stuff like the mechas in patlabor or blue gender, rather than those gundam multicolored things.
Patlabor kicks ass. ^^ I'm not too much of a fan of "American mecha". I've always liked the humanoid designs (Though not anything like Mazinger or the like. <<) myself... As it happens though, I've been reworking the mecha for the past few days, and even given it a new name... Coincidentally, it shares its name with one of Inferno's vessels. Ciron. It now, in my opinion, looks far more mecha-like, though I'm having trouble adding detail (armor plates, vents) that fit into the design well...
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Hrmm....I've been playing with drawing Evas lately, and while I can't quite get the hands and some of the chest details right, I've got most of the rest of it more or less accurate in my opinion. Lemme scan a few images in and let you see what I've got...
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Well, after taking a look at some official images for comparison, I realized just how off I am. I've got the basic structure nearly spot-on, but the details of it (shoulder "fin" size/location, eye size/position, how the shoulder and arm merge together, various other things)...I mean, you can tell it's an Eva, but it's not quite there.
Okay, anyways, here's a side profile of a possible head module ("http://kadisalpha.port5.com/images/eva_head_ink.png").
This one here ("http://kadisalpha.port5.com/images/eva_pilot.png") is a partial profile of the pilot of this Eva. Notice the headset, which I cleverly inserted to cover up the embarrassment of a mouth and ear.
And here is the rest of the Eva ("http://kadisalpha.port5.com/images/eva_full.png").
I whipped up the third image about an hour after examining a few "real" pics I've got. Much more accurate than the original.
Largeish figures I have real problems with because my tactic when drawing is to make it small and as detailed as my pencil lead allows. So this last image, being nearly 2/3 an 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper, was a bit of a challenge for me. But I think I've done fairly well.
Opinions?
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And as for my own opinion of mecha styles, well, the boxy-looking ones (Gundams for example) never did appeal to me much. They're so...umm..."ungraceful" and almost appear to be hasily implemented.
I prefer a bit of a sleeker appearance to my mechas (i.e. I tend to favor the Eva style over, say, a Battlemech). Having a more organic look, and an organic method of movement, in a certain way enhances the fearsomeness factor (that and putting a demon-head on top :) ) more than one might expect. And an organic look implies that there's probably more to this war machine than what meets the eye; I mean, the shoulder missile racks on a Mad Cat kinda give away the fact that the thing's probably got some distance hitting power, but against an Eva, you don't realize that the thing has a progressive knife in that shoulder fin until it plunges it into you.
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but an eva is not a mecha ;)
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*sigh* Alright, if you want to get technical, venom, then, no, an Eva is not a mecha. But remember that an Eva is not entirely organic, either.
Now someone comment on my images.
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Very nice! I love the attention to detail on the Eva, with the various panels and such that were made using the softer lines. It looks like something of a 00 and 01 hybrid. And, I must agree with you on mecha styles. I too enjoy the sleeker mecha to the bulkier types. For any who are familiar, Zone of the Enders, a series fom Konami, features mecha, and very stylish ones at that. They has smallish frames, yet also have a durable look to them. Here are a few of the Orbital Frames from that series..
http://www.konamijpn.com/products/zoe2/japanese/dingo.html
http://www.konamijpn.com/products/zoe2/japanese/nohman.html
http://www.konamijpn.com/products/zoe2/japanese/viola.html
http://www.konamijpn.com/products/zoe2/japanese/ken.html
Anyhow..these Frames have a heavy influence on the current mecha I'm tweaking.. Should be ready for a final draft fairly soon.
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And Venom, blah. They're armored, they're piloted by humans, and they're fifty meters tall. Organic, sentient, or what, in my book, they are mecha through and through. Perhaps not 'true mecha', but mecha all the same.
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Actually, delta, I was aiming more of a cross between 00 and 02: it's got the one big eye like 00, but has a pair of 02-esque side eyes, giving it the triclopean appearance. Sooner or later I'll do a front pic of its face.
And as for the Zone mecha, they're quite highly detailed (something I don't see very often) but the overall designs aren't what I prefer. And it'd be nice if there were english variants of those sites, so I don't have to run it through babelphish...
Y'know, looking over the big Eva image, I think I kinda went a little too greeble-happy on the legs...and the hands need more work...blah, I quit bashing myself. These are very early forays into mecha drawing for me, so why am I expecting them to be perfect? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JC Denton
Actually, delta, I was aiming more of a cross between 00 and 02: it's got the one big eye like 00, but has a pair of 02-esque side eyes, giving it the triclopean appearance. Sooner or later I'll do a front pic of its face.
And as for the Zone mecha, they're quite highly detailed (something I don't see very often) but the overall designs aren't what I prefer. And it'd be nice if there were english variants of those sites, so I don't have to run it through babelphish...
Y'know, looking over the big Eva image, I think I kinda went a little too greeble-happy on the legs...and the hands need more work...blah, I quit bashing myself. These are very early forays into mecha drawing for me, so why am I expecting them to be perfect? :rolleyes:
Ah, well, the chest looked a bit like 01's, hence my mention of it.
On the note of the Zone mecha..well, to each his own. Personally, I like the style. And, there are English versions, but unfortunately, the website isn't as detailed as the Japanese version. Also, the Mechanics page in the English version features the actual 3D models of the mecha rather than the beautiful artwork shown in the Japanese site.
And, for a first start, you're doing quite well. Unfortunately, there aren't many resources for aspiring mecha artists like myself... It's mostly a process of 'try try try until it looks right'. I would recommend a mecha book to you, however it focuses on the bulkier mecha you seem to dislike. Though there are more organic designs featured inside, it probably wouldn't be enough to suit your tastes. For the hell of it though, it can be found and ordered at www.howtodrawmanga.com
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Originally posted by JC Denton
*sigh* Alright, if you want to get technical, venom, then, no, an Eva is not a mecha. But remember that an Eva is not entirely organic, either.
meh, let me be a geek from times to times :p
So they're not mecha at all anyway. A mecha is a machine, They're not. It's that simple.
"waiting to be flamed again"
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Meh, you think that it's not a mecha at all, I think it's not a "true" mecha...to each his own.
And delta, wEvil pointed me to www.polykarbon.com for more anime-style tutorials and stuff. Maybe you might find something useful there, as well?
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nice site :)
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Originally posted by JC Denton
Meh, you think that it's not a mecha at all, I think it's not a "true" mecha...to each his own.
And delta, wEvil pointed me to www.polykarbon.com for more anime-style tutorials and stuff. Maybe you might find something useful there, as well?
Been there actually. ^^; It's nice, but doesn't feature much of use I'm afraid... Simply not in-depth enough...
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well it's for starter obviously.
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Originally posted by venom2506
well it's for starter obviously.
I'd like to consider myself a wee bit beyond a novice artist. ^^; Besides, looking at the news page, the site's been dead for nearly a year, though its message board is still alive and kicking. oo;;