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Off-Topic Discussion => Arts & Talents => Topic started by: Black Wolf on February 12, 2003, 10:46:03 am

Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Black Wolf on February 12, 2003, 10:46:03 am: For the SC mod

I really need someone who could make me a Wireframe pic of the Myrmidon that is still recognizeable at 64 x 64, using two colours only (pure black and pure white). I've been trying, and it's really a lot more difficult than it sounds. It would be used as the damage indicator for SC, so if you've played SC, you know the kind of style we need.

NB, I don't really expect this request to be filled, but I figured I'd exhaust all avenues before one of my crappy ones got put in game.

Thanks.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: an0n on February 12, 2003, 10:56:16 am: Render a Myrm in wire-frame witht he width set to something high. Switch the render to an Alpha thingy (black and white). Scale it down.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stealth on February 12, 2003, 11:01:28 am: yeah i see what you're getting at... the wire-frame indicator at the bottom middle of the screen.

i have an idea, i'll try when i get home.

(if anyone wants to try now: i was thinking of viewing "wireframe" in modelviewer, then copying to photoshop, deleting everything but the white wireframe, then put it on a black background (what background color and what wireframe color do you want by the way Black Wolf?) of course you can get the Myrmidon in the right position in modelview (using arrow keys) and then you convert it to black and white, which it already should be. i dunno if that's how you want it, i don't know what kind of format it is supposed to be... like, do you want the wireframe a specific color?)
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Warlock on February 12, 2003, 11:26:35 am: (http://www.swrpgnetwork.com/mfcrpg/core/ArtGallery/mry64X64.jpg)

I used the method Stealth mentioned since I no longer have ship models in a useable format. Donno if the quality is worth it or not,..I can barely see the thing lol
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Sandwich on February 12, 2003, 12:17:41 pm: Perspective:
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Sandwich on February 12, 2003, 12:17:59 pm: Isometric:
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: an0n on February 12, 2003, 12:19:57 pm: Try making the wire-frame width a little less or go play with the Threshold in PSP before scaling it.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Sandwich on February 12, 2003, 12:33:30 pm: Quote
Originally posted by an0n
Try making the wire-frame width a little less or go play with the Threshold in PSP before scaling it.

Gimme a shot of what the original wireframes look like in SC so I can get an idea what to aim for.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: an0n on February 12, 2003, 12:35:53 pm: How should I know?

I don't even know what SC is, I'm just making artistic suggestions.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stealth on February 12, 2003, 12:42:40 pm: an0n: SC --> Starcraft

It looks like what Sandwich posted, but not as many 'frames'... only a few, enough to give the shape.
you can see what i'm talking about in the bottom middle of this picture:

(http://www.westnet.com.au/gweber/images/screen02.jpg)

it's a green wireframe, but not as intricate as the one you posted Sandwich. is it possible to remove some of the "wire" of the "wireframe" to make it as basic as possible?

Sandwich: how did you get that picture? what method did you use?
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stealth on February 12, 2003, 12:44:18 pm: note that all wireframes in Starcraft are always the camera angle looking from the top-front, and the thing's facing the bottom right... you can see from the above picture
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: an0n on February 12, 2003, 01:00:12 pm: Ah. Well that's gonna be really hard to do right. As the triangulation of the FS models means you'll have a hard time trying to get the image to look that clean unless you go over the image by hand and remove all the triangulations.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stealth on February 12, 2003, 01:12:05 pm: Quote
Originally posted by an0n
Ah. Well that's gonna be really hard to do right. As the triangulation of the FS models means you'll have a hard time trying to get the image to look that clean unless you go over the image by hand and remove all the triangulations.

that's the only method i could think of, but i'd be willing to do it :p

just erase them in Photoshop, takes a steady hand (mouse) and zooming... it'll take a long time, but it won't be hard
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Sandwich on February 12, 2003, 02:11:21 pm: How's this?
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Warlock on February 12, 2003, 02:31:51 pm: So far that's the closest to how that Screenshot looks.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: beatspete on February 12, 2003, 02:40:41 pm: I tried taking a screenshot of the wireframe in FS view, then a threshold and a re-size. Doesnt work very well, hard to tell what it is. What i recomend is taking a screenshot of the wireframe, then resize it. Draw over the outline and important "framework" on a higher layer in white, delete the screenshot layer and you should have something reasonable.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Warlock on February 12, 2003, 04:07:43 pm: Hmm the simplest really .... get a .COB or 3DS version of it,... and render it as a wire-only. Then you can actually render the image at 64*64 and that might help save some res.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: an0n on February 12, 2003, 04:15:11 pm: I tried that, but I closed MAX before realising the buffer had saved as a coloured JPEG instead of an Alpha map and I couldn't be bothered re-opening MAX.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Sandwich on February 12, 2003, 05:19:28 pm: I hate to say this, but you're not gonna get anything much better than what I already did - I went over it and painted out a bunched of the triangulation lines by hand when it was 8 times as big.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Anaz on February 12, 2003, 07:17:37 pm: wow sand...that is niiiice

and your myrmy looks great in the SC screeny!
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Galemp on February 12, 2003, 08:09:09 pm: *smack*

Use a LOD! It has less detail but retains the shape.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stealth on February 12, 2003, 10:04:14 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich
I hate to say this, but you're not gonna get anything much better than what I already did - I went over it and painted out a bunched of the triangulation lines by hand when it was 8 times as big.

we're not saying you didn't do good Sandwich, you did awesome, but if you could (if possible) post the .PSD file or a very, very large image, so someone with a lot of time can erase most of the wireframe that'd be great i'm sure :) :nod:

GE, what's a LOD? Light Emitting Diode?
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stealth on February 12, 2003, 10:06:18 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Analazon
wow sand...that is niiiice

and your myrmy looks great in the SC screeny!

i didn't do it by the way, give your credit to Black Wolf... he did it, and yes, he did do an awesome job of it!

For more info, see the STARCRAFT --> FS CONVERSION thread
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Galemp on February 12, 2003, 10:31:59 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth
GE, what's a LOD? Light Emitting Diode?

*Bludgeons Stealth with every syllable*

LEVEL! OF! DETAIL!
YOU! SHOULD! KNOW! THAT! BY! NOW!
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Knight Templar on February 12, 2003, 10:39:28 pm: *giggles for great justice*
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stryke 9 on February 12, 2003, 11:06:31 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
16 jaunts from god.

If you're going to use extended analogies, at least have them make sense. Sticking random words together does not, contrary to popular belief, make you look like you have even a vague understanding of the English language.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Knight Templar on February 12, 2003, 11:30:23 pm: is that too far?

Truth be told, Englihs is my 3rt languaeg.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Sandwich on February 13, 2003, 02:26:30 am: Quote
Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
*smack*

Use a LOD! It has less detail but retains the shape.

*ahem*

FYI, I tried with an LOD. To get an idea of the kind of results I'd get, look at the LODs in MODELVIEW32 as wireframe - they are nearly unrecognizable. LODs are only good for non-wireframe ships seen from further away, not when you can actually see every little line and polygon. :rolleyes:
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stealth on February 13, 2003, 11:02:49 am: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
Aside from the fact that Light Emmiting Detail doesn't even form the Acronym LOD, you'd think him stating he would model ships to FS2 in that other sc thread would make him a bit more knowledgeable upon the matter, but as the seasons change, expectations are shattered like a porcelean vase dropped 16 jaunts from god.

I don't model, i never claimed to model, i never tried to model, etc.

remember, you don't know squat about modding either...
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Knight Templar on February 13, 2003, 11:09:09 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth

I don't model, i never claimed to model, i never tried to model, etc.

remember, you don't know squat about modding either...

*ahem*

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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Stealth, what would you do if you joined up? Currently, I think we mainly need 2d sprite makers and wireframe builders (again 2d - by wireframe I mean the damage indicator for Terran ships)

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Originally posted by Stealth
if we're converting FS2 -> SC then i can convert the ships

if we're converting SC -> FS2 then i can model them

Thank you.

*bows*

*walks out of building*
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stealth on February 13, 2003, 11:10:27 am: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar

*ahem*

Thank you.

*bows*

*walks out of building*

1) I thought I was on your "ignore" list? As i said at the time you said you were going to "ignore" me:

Quote

it won't last... i reckon i'll be on it for two days or so, and then you'll "unignore" me, cause you can't resist listening to what i say...

right again i guess...

2) There's a difference making models and converting models.
3) Do you know anything about modelling? i didn't think so...
4) go away, i don't like talking to you!
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Styxx on February 13, 2003, 11:16:08 am: Quit it, both. My fingers are itching for some temporary bannings.
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Knight Templar on February 13, 2003, 11:17:45 am: :sigh:

edited.. for great justice...
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Stealth on February 13, 2003, 11:33:51 am: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
:sigh:

edited.. for great justice...

yeah, and please put me on your ignore list, like you said you would.

i don't know how to mod, i know how to convert.. big difference
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Black Wolf on February 15, 2003, 01:53:47 am: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich
How's this?

Friggen Perfect!

This is what I get for not lookign at the topic for days :). How did you do it, precisely? We'll need to repeat the feat for all the other ships...
Title: Obscure little request
Post by: Sandwich on February 19, 2003, 10:00:33 am: Quote
Originally posted by Black Wolf

Friggen Perfect!

This is what I get for not lookign at the topic for days :). How did you do it, precisely? We'll need to repeat the feat for all the other ships...

I'll post how in a week - fairly simple, but impossible to automate, unfortunately. And there's that annoying hand-edit-the-extra-tiangulated-polygon-lines stange, but whatever. :)