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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: IceFire on February 14, 2003, 10:47:32 am
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Looking at doing some major system upgrades in the next few months. Probably getting a R9700 when ATI announces the R9900 (and thus dropping the 9700's price). I just want to know if anyone has had any trouble with the card and FreeSpace 2. I haven't heard anything (more trouble with the GF4 Ti's from the sounds of it).
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funny you should mention it, my friend got the 9700 last week, and i'm going over to his house today to install it, so i'll let you know what happens.
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Awesome. Let me know what happens.
While were on it, here's what I'm thinking of building.
AMD Athlon 2400+
Asus A7N8X
512 DDR PC2700 RAM
Radeon 9700
And all put inside a Antec 660AMG case (the fancier Pro model is too tall for my desk overhang). I'll be ripping out my CD-RW, SB Live! and 20GB hard drive to save on costs and giving the rest of my system to my brother.
Anyone know of any problems, issues, compatability problems, better value's somewhere? Not planning to overclock so i'm not buying a Athlon 1600+ and overclocking to 2200+. Not in the cards for me right now.
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On a side note, is the 9900 going to be the model utilizing the R350 processor? I might go for that one if the main CPU is not a big bottleneck to its performance.
THe GF3s and GF4s have various problems with FS2 that tend to mess up the text on certain antialiasing settings. I have heard some things with the older Radeons not working at all in FS2 for a few people, but it seems that the newer ones are okay.
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GF4 Ti is A1 SUPAR!!!!1
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I have my radeon 9700 for a week now, haven't tried FS2 yet tho.
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Originally posted by CP5670
the older Radeons not working at all in FS2 for a few people,
Well I've got an 9000Pro, and it works fine.
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worked fine with me 7200 too...
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Works fine with my original Radeon (Radeon 64MB DDR VIVO) as well.
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Again, I have a 9000Pro and fs2 (and ut2k3:thepimp: ) works great on it.
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9700 Pro here. FS2 has always worked well, as did few other games, but all other games just crashes after 1-15 minutes of play. But that's another story, incompatibilities with my motherboard (Asus A7V8X) and the Radeon. Though it's all solved now... You should get no problems with A7N8X.
And FS2 does work perfectly for me, though anti-aliasing is weird. But that's the game's fault...
And CP5670, yes, 9900 will use the R350 chipset.
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Awesome cool.
No, im not getting the 9900...its no doubt going to be too expensive. I'm counting on the 9700 dropping when it gets announced/released/whatever. My current system just isn't fast enough for the new games I want to play...so its time for the new one.
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Well, I remember seeing a number of complaints back in the VBB days on trouble with Radeons and FS2, but it might just have been some driver issues that were rectified over time.
I might get a 9900 depending on how much it relies on the main processor in games, as my processor is getting somewhat old now (Athlon TB 1400, but I think I will need to replace the motherboard for a new one) and I sort of missed out on the last generation of video cards anyway.
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I believe most of the problems with Radeons were because of bad drivers. Luckily to all ATI users out there, ATI changed their driver policy and are now working with ATI user communities to improve their drivers. Catalyst 3.0 and 3.1 are very promising drivers.
Originally posted by Redfang
But that's another story, incompatibilities with my motherboard (Asus A7V8X) and the Radeon. Though it's all solved now... You should get no problems with A7N8X.
I am interested. What kind of problem(s) and how it was solved?
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Originally posted by Redfang
9700 Pro here. FS2 has always worked well, as did few other games, but all other games just crashes after 1-15 minutes of play. But that's another story, incompatibilities with my motherboard (Asus A7V8X) and the Radeon. Though it's all solved now... You should get no problems with A7N8X.
And FS2 does work perfectly for me, though anti-aliasing is weird. But that's the game's fault...
And CP5670, yes, 9900 will use the R350 chipset.
"shivers"
Warcraft3 crashes quite fast on me, after a dozen minutes... serious sam works fine tho... gotta try more games :blah:
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Originally posted by IceFire
Awesome. Let me know what happens.
While were on it, here's what I'm thinking of building.
AMD Athlon 2400+
Asus A7N8X
512 DDR PC2700 RAM
Radeon 9700
And all put inside a Antec 660AMG case (the fancier Pro model is too tall for my desk overhang). I'll be ripping out my CD-RW, SB Live! and 20GB hard drive to save on costs and giving the rest of my system to my brother.
Anyone know of any problems, issues, compatability problems, better value's somewhere? Not planning to overclock so i'm not buying a Athlon 1600+ and overclocking to 2200+. Not in the cards for me right now.
There's a bit of a flaw with your plan, I believe. IIRC, the 2400+ only has a 133MHz FSB. That means there's no real point in using PC2700 (333 MHz, IIRC). PC2100 (266 MHz) will work fine.
They might have increased the FSB for the 2400+, though, over the earlier models, so you might want to check.
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You are right about the FSB, but PC2700 is only marginally more
expensive than PC2100 (at least in the UK it is) and is a much
more future proof investment. Especially if you do ever go down
the overclocking route.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
GF4 Ti is A1 SUPAR!!!!1
an a1 supar piece of ****
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ah, no kazan you're wrong! it can suck up dust! it's cool!
her... ok I'll shut up.
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Originally posted by venom2506
ah, no kazan you're wrong! it can suck up dust! it's cool!
her... ok I'll shut up.
NICE
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No flaming. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Phantom
You are right about the FSB, but PC2700 is only marginally more
expensive than PC2100 (at least in the UK it is) and is a much
more future proof investment. Especially if you do ever go down
the overclocking route.
Yeah...Fury pointed that out to me and a co-worker of mine and I have been scouring the net for any more details around that. We both thought it had the higher bus speed.
So now I may question the AMD investment. Do I go for the Athlon 2600+ which DOES have the PC2700 ability or do I go the intel route. I'll have to see which is cheaper when I get closer to buying.
Kazan: The Ti line of GeForce cards are quite good. I've sold alot of them and I haven't heard any complaints in the last 6 months and most hardware reviews agree with me. They are good cards...but right now ATI is the king of the castle and ATI finally has caught upto nVidia with its driver support (maybe even surpassed) and with an awesome high quality card.
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Originally posted by IceFire
Yeah...Fury pointed that out to me and a co-worker of mine and I have been scouring the net for any more details around that. We both thought it had the higher bus speed.
So now I may question the AMD investment. Do I go for the Athlon 2600+ which DOES have the PC2700 ability or do I go the intel route. I'll have to see which is cheaper when I get closer to buying.
It is worth holding off for a little while. The AMDs with the Barton
core are just starting to come out and, while they may not be as
good as everyone is expecting, they will quite quickly drop the
price of the Thoroughbred processors. In a month or so you will
be able to pick up an XP 2600+ for the price of a 2400+ just now.
Of course, depending on how they price them, it might actually
be worth getting the Barton - but I doubt it until they get to
higher clock speeds.
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Originally posted by Kazan
an a1 supar piece of ****
Love this guy :)
I got me a Ti4200 64mb for a super tasty 60 squids... without one jot of overclocking, my 3DMark score is now just shy of 10k, pretty much doubling my old score :nod:
Huzzah for nVidia!
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Where did you get one for 60 quid from? My brother is
looking for one, but most of the places I've checked out
are still selling them for about £100.
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I installed Freespace 2 two days ago because Ethari invited me over to play some games on PXO and it's running like a charm on my Radeon 9700 Pro (DirectX 9.0), Asus A7N8X, AMD Athlon 2700+, 1 gig PC2700 DDR Memory and Soundblaster Audigy2. :D
I also checked Starlancer yesterday and to my surprise this game still worked normally as well.
So then I went into my old games box and pulled out Wing Commander 5 and this one also still worked, well the game that is, the cut scenes were all playing in hyper mode. ;)
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Originally posted by Kazan
an a1 supar piece of ****
*cough fanboy cough*
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Originally posted by 01010
*cough fanboy cough*
*cough builds systems professionally cough*
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Originally posted by DSA-Gabriel
So then I went into my old games box and pulled out Wing Commander 5 and this one also still worked, well the game that is, the cut scenes were all playing in hyper mode. ;)
go into DX Diag and turn sound acceleration all the way off while you're playing prophecy
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Originally posted by Kazan
go into DX Diag and turn sound acceleration all the way off while you're playing prophecy
Thx, I will give that a try tonight.
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A friend of myne bought a Radeon 9500. 9700 is too expensive but with hacking the 9500 drivers, you can get the same graphic quality as with the 9700. I heard that it is possible.
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R9700 is best card for now
My new computer
p4 2.8ghz
1500 ddr ram
R9700
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Originally posted by SILVER DRACON
R9700 is best card for now
My new computer
p4 2.8ghz
1500 ddr ram
R9700
Yes true, but it is expensive. But if you do what I suggested you can have the same or better effect for less money. :nod:
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Originally posted by Razor
A friend of myne bought a Radeon 9500. 9700 is too expensive but with hacking the 9500 drivers, you can get the same graphic quality as with the 9700. I heard that it is possible.
There's hardly no difference in image quality. But 9700 Pro is much faster.
The Radeon 9500 Pro has two 64-bit DDR memory controllers instead of the four in the Radeon 9700 Pro. This cuts the 9500 Pro's memory bandwidth to half of the 9700 Pro at identical clock speeds, and puts it in line with the GeForce4's 128-bit DDR memory subsystem.
Then there's the Radeon 9500 (non-Pro) which also has the reduction in memory bandwidth, but along with that it also loses half of its rendering pipelines. This makes the regular Radeon 9500 a significantly worse performer as it still only has one texture unit per pipeline, giving it a disadvantage when compared to the GeForce4.
Quotes: Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1735&p=2)
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I have a Geforce 4 Ti 4600 and no problems with Freespace 2 a friend from me have a Radeon 9700 Pro and they have no problems too.
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Yay! 9700s are cool! Got mine months ago and the card has never given me one problem (I have problems with pretty much EVERYTHING!):doubt:
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I have one pb with my 9700 :doubt:
it goes too fast for my atlhon 900 :mad: If I go to insane resolutions ( 1600*1400 ), damn athlon crashes after a while ( and that sux, coz it runs flawlessly ). no pb if I stick to something like 1280*1024 tho.
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Why would you go 1600*1400. Don't you need glasses to read all that? By the way, your current res is quite good though. And by the way, don't push your system too far. You might regret it.
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coz I had a 21" and it was what warcraft3 set as default setup :p
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so do I, but I still find it quite hard to read text on 1600x1200 and above. (and the highest one, 2048x1536, is completely illegible)
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I've just ordered a Sapphire Atlantis 9700, hopefully I'll get it next week :). But i'll miss my old Voodoo5 5500, no more Freespace in Glide :(. Oh well. :)
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Originally posted by CP5670
so do I, but I still find it quite hard to read text on 1600x1200 and above. (and the highest one, 2048x1536, is completely illegible)
warcraft 3 interface stays at the same size disregarding resolution, fonts are never too small.