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Title: yet another new hull
Post by: StratComm on February 22, 2003, 01:09:07 am: Just threw this thing together, it looks a lot like a deimos when it's all said and done, but I still am pleased with the end result. It's textured to be a special ops frigate (black ops :D) but it really doesn't have a purpose at the moment. And it's fairly low poly, so I might end up detailing it a little bit more. My fleet already has a corvette, so it needs another special purpose, and a name.
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Post by: Deepblue on February 22, 2003, 02:13:55 am: From the top it looks like a space shuttle...
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Post by: Tiara on February 22, 2003, 03:38:37 am: Remove the wings, cause unless its also an atmosperic ship, they are kinda useless. They only provide a larger surface to fry with a nice beam.
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Post by: Nico on February 22, 2003, 04:57:26 am: Haar! A whale matey!
Title: yet another new hull
Post by: StratComm on February 22, 2003, 10:43:04 am: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara
Remove the wings, cause unless its also an atmosperic ship, they are kinda useless. They only provide a larger surface to fry with a nice beam.

or a nice place to mount a large beam ;) Actually they are there because this design really needed something horizontal. They were the last piece to be put on, and the reasoning is that they shield vulnerable parts of the ship from broadside beams.
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Post by: Tiara on February 22, 2003, 11:06:16 am: But wings on a spaceship is just :ick
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Post by: HotSnoJ on February 22, 2003, 11:47:42 am: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara
But wings on a spaceship is just :ick

Would you rather fly around in a sphere or cube then? I really doubt it.

It just looks COOL, Ok. It's not real, it is a GAME.
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Post by: Tiara on February 22, 2003, 12:06:22 pm: Quote
Originally posted by HotSnoJ

Would you rather fly around in a sphere or cube then? I really doubt it.

It just looks COOL, Ok. It's not real, it is a GAME.

Actualy, yes. Its more effective with having allround defense and weapons grid. Maybe not as "cool" looking, but I wouldn't really care about that in a fight.

Ow, and your second "Its a game" thingy. Even so, why nt try to make it as real as possible. Thats cool.

EDIT: Ow and I think wings are butt ugly on a space ship. Thats just because they are unpractical and rather dumb if you think about it. You can just as easily increase the mass slightly and cut of the wings. More effective as it gives you more room on the inside for reactors and stuff and thus more weapons.

Sorry, but I like things to be as close to reality as it can come. Just a matter of taste i guess.
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Post by: Killfrenzy on February 22, 2003, 01:09:09 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara
But wings on a spaceship is just :ick

Resist..........urge..........to..............kill............

(http://www.boomspeed.com/killfrenzy/vigilance.jpg)

;7

I have wings because I think they look nice, and I also mount sensors on them, thus giving them a use.
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Post by: Anaz on February 22, 2003, 01:39:54 pm: Strat-you should make it a badass missile toting beasty!!
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Post by: Knight Templar on February 22, 2003, 04:34:19 pm: I'm assuming this is in the DatDB internal. Hopefully? :D

*goes to check*
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Post by: aldo_14 on February 22, 2003, 04:43:09 pm: Valkyre.
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Post by: HotSnoJ on February 22, 2003, 04:53:55 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Killfrenzy
(http://www.boomspeed.com/killfrenzy/vigilance.jpg)

What is that?!:eek2:
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Post by: Knight Templar on February 22, 2003, 04:57:57 pm: Looks liek a yaht (sp?)

you should give it some window/lights textures if you are going to make it flat/smooth.
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Post by: Unknown Target on February 22, 2003, 05:07:05 pm: *looks around*
...
The GTCv Whale!
...
*runs*

nice design, although it could benefit from some more detail, and an elongated body.
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Post by: Noise on February 22, 2003, 05:26:37 pm: :yes: Stratcomm, love it. The thick design would lend to the to the idea that it might have high amount of armour. Give it a nice beam weapons package and call it a battlecruiser. Maybe the GTBC Eclipse or something.:D
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Post by: Raptor on February 23, 2003, 03:43:18 am: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara
But wings on a spaceship is just :ick

Depends on size.

And what they are there for.

On fighters they are cool:cool:

BTW, StratComm nice hull design, but recess the light panel on the front of the 'tower', nad it would look well armoured indeed.

Killfrenzy, Let me guess: Karren Imperian, Light Cruiser? Looks great whatever :D
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Post by: FreeTerran on February 23, 2003, 04:01:52 am: Quote
Originally posted by Killfrenzy

Resist..........urge..........to..............kill............

(http://www.boomspeed.com/killfrenzy/vigilance.jpg)

;7

I have wings because I think they look nice, and I also mount sensors on them, thus giving them a use.

It looks very great.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on February 23, 2003, 10:03:52 am: Oi loiks it!

Great looking ships there, Strat! Will it be the same size as Deimos?

And all you blaghards, wings are cool! You can have guns on 'em!
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Post by: Tiara on February 23, 2003, 10:23:13 am: "SIR! The wing has been blown off by the Shivan destroyer! Main reactor room is decompressing! Reactor breach imminent!"

"Abandon ship! Repeat: Abandon ship!"

*BOOM*

-----

Or in case of weaponry on the wings:

"SIR! The wing has been blown off by the Shivan destroyer! Weapon capability down to 50%. We're sitting ducks out here!"

"Ramming speed!"

*CRASH!*

*BOOM*
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on February 23, 2003, 10:39:23 am: SILENCE!
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Post by: Tiara on February 23, 2003, 10:40:26 am: Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
SILENCE!

no...
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Post by: Killfrenzy on February 23, 2003, 01:50:14 pm: Right, that ship is the Karran Vigilance class Light Cruiser. NO CHANGES WILL BE MADE TO THE DESIGN. If anyone can texture her better, then you're welcome to it.

Tiara, the wings will stay on better than that. Also, a reactor will be buried deep inside the ship. More to the point, weaponry on wings will be small scale, and only about 10% of the whole armament top whack!
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Post by: Eviscerator on February 24, 2003, 01:39:13 am: Tiara, yer being silly, lad. All that is just your opinion and nuthing more. Personally I think it's a wee bit rude to demand some kinda of change in somebody else's work and then say it's stupid the way it is.

I also don't see what's wrong with wings. Many many starships in classic science fiction possess wings for any number of good reasons.

Leave her as she be Strat, in my opinion.

Oh, and may I also suggest missile cruiser.
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Post by: vyper on February 24, 2003, 05:35:05 am: Quote
Originally posted by Eviscerator
Tiara, yer being silly, [glow=red]lad[/glow].

I'd run now if I were you.
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Post by: Darkage on February 24, 2003, 06:05:00 am: The first mesh looks cute:D

The second is wel........meh! *RUNS*
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Post by: Nico on February 24, 2003, 06:43:31 am: Quote
Originally posted by vyper

I'd run now if I were you.

lol, that word catched my eye even before I started to read the post :D
About that wing thing, I guess Tiara doesn't like much my ships :p
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Post by: Killfrenzy on February 24, 2003, 07:01:01 am: Quote
Originally posted by Darkage
The first mesh looks cute:D

The second is wel........meh! *RUNS*

*Beam whips him*
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Post by: Eviscerator on February 24, 2003, 07:43:57 pm: Ahhh.. Lass, then.
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Post by: beatspete on February 25, 2003, 02:40:55 am: ...Small wings look good on some fighters - see Perseus
However on cap ships they dont look right, terran ships keep to the squarea and blocky school of thought, the only ship with anything like wings is the Hecate.
If you do have 'wings' as such try putting some engines on the end, give them a point. They arent missles.
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Post by: Nico on February 25, 2003, 03:18:56 am: technically, fins are useless on missiles too ;)
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Post by: CP5670 on February 25, 2003, 04:04:08 am: Quote
Sorry, but I like things to be as close to reality as it can come. Just a matter of taste i guess.

In that case, I suppose you would like to have all of the sounds removed from the game and all the ship models replaced with either spheres or space shuttles. Actually, for that matter, in real life there are no Vasudans, Shivans, subspace or GTVA either, so drop all that stuff out. If you want to be even more realistic, one of the few realities that can be confirmed by the game designer is that people are playing computer games (since otherwise there would be no one to see how realistic the game is), so a truly realistic game would have you playing a game in which you play a game in which you play a game in which you play a game and so on. :D :D
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Post by: Raptor on February 25, 2003, 04:04:45 am: Quote
Originally posted by venom2506
technically, fins are useless on missiles too ;)

Ah, but who wants to be firing Tobleron boxs around? (ie homeworld missiles)
Title: yet another new hull
Post by: StratComm on February 25, 2003, 07:20:28 am: ok, this is out of hand and WAY off topic; the wings are staying for the time being. I think they are essential to the ship's design.
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Post by: Tiara on February 25, 2003, 07:27:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Eviscerator
Tiara, yer being silly, lad.

:blah:

:wtf:

:mad2:

(http://trinity.psnw.com/~jesse/pics/misc-x2/stfu.jpg)

Quote
Originally posted by Eviscerator
Ahhh.. Lass, then.

Too late

(http://www.geocities.com/Vincent_Valentine9/pictures/LT01.txt)

:ha:

j/k
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Post by: Killfrenzy on February 25, 2003, 07:40:52 am: Quote
Originally posted by beatspete
...Small wings look good on some fighters - see Perseus
However on cap ships they dont look right, terran ships keep to the squarea and blocky school of thought, the only ship with anything like wings is the Hecate.
If you do have 'wings' as such try putting some engines on the end, give them a point. They arent missles.

1) The Vigilance is a different franchise anyway, so I don't/never adhere to the 'Rules of FS Ship DesignTM'

2) The wings mount sensor arrays and such. They also provide heat sinks for the reators (large surface area)

:nod: :ha:
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Post by: StratComm on February 25, 2003, 02:01:29 pm: OK, I've decided to go with the missile frigate idea, so now I need some missle turrets for the ship's nose. I already have mounts for smaller torpedos along the ventral and dorsal lines, but I want something extra-heavy for the front. The standard button turret isn't doing it for me here.

EDIT: here's a try, admitedly a bit unorthodox, but here she is for comments:
(http://www.geocities.com/cek_83/missilefrigate1.txt) (http://www.geocities.com/cek_83/missilefrigate2.txt)
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on February 25, 2003, 02:11:48 pm: How about some sort of physical missile/topedo rack, like present day SAMs?

BTW, Long live wings!
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Post by: StratComm on February 25, 2003, 02:28:54 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
How about some sort of physical missile/topedo rack, like present day SAMs?

BTW, Long live wings!

See edit of previous post ;)
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on February 25, 2003, 02:33:38 pm: Sweet! But you'll have problems when it somes to actually firing them. They'll still be there on the ship, will they not?
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Post by: SKYNET-011 on February 25, 2003, 02:36:45 pm: Model changing SEXP could be good with fire-turret.
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Post by: Tiara on February 25, 2003, 02:45:21 pm: Quote
Originally posted by StratComm
OK, I've decided to go with the missile frigate idea, so now I need some missle turrets for the ship's nose. I already have mounts for smaller torpedos along the ventral and dorsal lines, but I want something extra-heavy for the front. The standard button turret isn't doing it for me here.

EDIT: here's a try, admitedly a bit unorthodox, but here she is for comments:
(http://www.geocities.com/cek_83/missilefrigate1.txt) (http://www.geocities.com/cek_83/missilefrigate2.txt)

Ah! NOW I like it. No longer "wings" but fins!

Wings = big, fins = small
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Post by: StratComm on February 25, 2003, 04:57:53 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara

Ah! NOW I like it. No longer "wings" but fins!

Wings = big, fins = small

Ironicly I didn't even change the fins. As for the missiles, I had planned to have another missile drop into the place of the one fired as soon as it cleared, essentially removing the need to update the image. Sort of a cop-out I know, but I don't want it getting too complicated.

You'll also notice a longer hull and recessed conning tower lights, proof positive that I actually listen to feedback ;)
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Post by: aldo_14 on February 25, 2003, 05:05:02 pm: (http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/seal.gif)

Looks neat, tho the engine texture is majorly squished. Best sort that, IMO.
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Post by: StratComm on February 25, 2003, 05:08:44 pm: Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/seal.gif)

Looks neat, tho the engine texture is majorly squished. Best sort that, IMO.

I noticed that too... That shot didn't do it full justice, but I will see what I can do. Look at the pics again.
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Post by: Tiara on February 25, 2003, 05:10:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by StratComm

Ironicly I didn't even change the fins

But they seem smaller. You increased the hull size? Or is it just perspective?
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Post by: StratComm on February 25, 2003, 05:17:24 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara
But they seem smaller. You increased the hull size? Or is it just perspective?

I lengthened the hull by 1/10 total length or so, but not in that area. I think it's just perspective. Keep in mind that the basic views (front, top, side) have no perspective on them, so judging the design from those shots would be somewhat inaccurate compared to in-game appearance. They really weren't that big to begin with though.

And that text on the side is the ship's nameplate, GTCv Ajax (I am stunned that this name is not already taken BTW).
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Post by: Knight Templar on February 25, 2003, 06:09:31 pm: Can we have this in DatDB??? Pweeease...!?!? :D

*Loves in* Front mount missles could be heavy artillerly like.. big ass explotions on proximity. Or maybe just heavy aginst caps.

Quote
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/seal.gif)

(http://www.fattonys.com/images/Upload/KTSeal1.jpg)

shoot em' down gurls!
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Post by: StratComm on March 02, 2003, 01:28:56 am: (http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/bump.gif)

ok, a little update. I wanted a little more of the missiles, so I made a couple more launchers. They are angled slightly out, as to miss the bulbous nose when they fire. Of course, this means they won't all fire at once, but I still think it adds to the appearance greatly. As does anti-aliasing, but that I should know to do anyway.

EDIT: Forgot the pics. Went from
(http://www.geocities.com/cek_83/missilefrigate1.txt)
to
(http://www.geocities.com/cek_83/missilecorvette.txt)
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Post by: Knight Templar on March 02, 2003, 01:41:46 am: :yes: :yes: :yes:

Me likes very much
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Post by: Liberator on March 02, 2003, 04:08:50 am: All hail StratComm, Lord of the Polygon. May Aldo the God of Cool Designs and Venom the God of All Modeling continue to bless and guide him.
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Post by: SadisticSid on March 02, 2003, 06:20:10 am: Hmm... not nearly as good looking as your Vasudan capship, StratComm.

Sid.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on March 02, 2003, 11:24:57 am: I disagree, I think this is his best so far.

Except that light carrier.
Title: Bump
Post by: MAD Maniac on April 17, 2003, 05:18:08 pm: Sorry to bump a bit of a long dead thread, but i was just wondering if this ship had been released or not yet?
Title: yet another new hull
Post by: karajorma on April 17, 2003, 05:27:55 pm: What is it with people bumping threads today? What's wrong with a new topic and a link to the old one?
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Post by: MAD Maniac on April 17, 2003, 05:38:44 pm: May sound dumb but i dont acctually know how ya do that.. i dont post very often but i was just wonding if the ship was up for download.
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Post by: Solatar on April 17, 2003, 06:05:16 pm: hmm...images removed....
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Post by: Hellbender on April 18, 2003, 06:45:13 am: Looks pretty good. My own personal taste, I'd go with recessed launch bays, similar to the look of a submarine's torpedo tubes when the hatches are open in the firing position. Just seems kind of surreal with the protruding warheads. Over all good work!