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Off-Topic Discussion => Arts & Talents => Topic started by: Tiara on February 27, 2003, 06:49:05 am
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I've heard too many people say "PSP is da bomb" or "PSP sux! Photoshop pwnz PSP!".
Now give your arguments here. I'd really like to know the pros and cons of both programs to compare them.
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Photoshop has many more features, and is much more powerful. It costs 10 times as much, so it must be better.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
It costs 10 times as much, so it must be better.
:doubt:
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Well it should be!
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photoshop cons: it takes too much time to start :p
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I like them both. :)
Photoshop makes great effects and paint shop isn't that bad. I preffer the noise usage in Paint Shop, rather than in photoshop. Photoshop, though is great for making beams, glows and all that crap.
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photoshop kicks ass cos it uses scratch disks. psp doesnt so if u r working on a big file it is hell. Imagine the spec pc that the nodewar map would require without scratch disks! Infact i produced it all on a system with just 256 mb of ram.
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Hmmm...Though PS has lots of more features, all those glows, lens flares and other **** can be done with Max. Of course for those who don't have rendering progs should have PS.
And PSP is easy to use. To complete my renders, I just have to make some clicks but with PS, I have to navigate through dozens of features, use many different effects to get the one that I want.
Though PS is actually better and more professional, I'd say that it depends what you want to do with it.
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I don't use either!
At the moment, I use MicroGrafx Windows Draw 6 and PhotoMagic.
They're really old (about 5 or 6 years I think), but they're easy to use, and they've got a good range of features, so I'm happy!
I need to upgrade though, so I'm looking at PSP or PS, but they look kind of expensive.
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AHA!
Just looked through a pile of old PCGamer demo discs, and found a trial of PSP 7 on there. I'll try it out later and see what I come up with...
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PSP
Cheaper
Easier to learn
Easier to use
Fewer features
Less powerful
Photoshop
More powerful with more features
more expensive
harder to learn/use
So yeah, depends on what you want it for, how much time you're willing to spend learning it, and how much money you're willing to spend acquiring it.
Note that many of Photoshop's features can be emulated in PSP with plugins (ranging in price from free to more than the program itself), and all PS plugins work in PSP.
I use PSP 7, but mainly because I was able to acquire a copy for free. Given the choice, I'd probably swap between both, using PSP for most of the simple stuff (due to it's preferably simple interface) and using PS for the more complex.
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I prefer PSP simply because i discovered one day i had it, and never thought to use anything else.
I might try photoshop one day, price issue is putting me off though.
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Originally posted by venom2506
photoshop cons: it takes too much time to start :p
Upgrade ;)
I vote Photoshop, it just feels better thought out.
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Photoshop is the most wuvable of all!
It costs 10 times as much, so it must be better.
:nod: :D
Wuvable!!!
(Honestly, I've never used PSP :p )
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I dunno, both have their good and bad sides. Although I'm more partial to Photoshop since I've used it for a lot longer, and PSP's Layer system is kinda screwy...
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Originally posted by JC Denton
and PSP's Layer system is kinda screwy...
I'm getting used to it now, its good when you know how to work it.
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Originally posted by JC Denton
and PSP's Layer system is kinda screwy...
IMO its better then PS's layer system. Easy to use and easy to modify.
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Photoshop is much better... but since it's also much more expensive than Paint Shop, many people have Paint shop as opposed to Photoshop, so therefore they think Paint Shop is better, cause they've never used Photoshop much.
price --> features ratio, paint shop would win hands down
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i like PSP, since of the easy interface, i've got a semi-legal copy of PS on my PC, but i haven't used it much. PSP can do a lot, and it's easy to get used to.
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Good, the thread worked. I got the opinions I needed.
I think you can't say either one is "bad". They're both good. I prefer PSP if I need a quick fix or some axion glow for something. Or something simple as neon signs. But Photoshop is more complex and has more uses for the more advanced image editing.
I use both pretty often ;)
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How about something we can all agree on.
CorelDraw sux0rs!
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We can't agree on that. Corel is extremely powerful and versatile. Unless you are comparing the most recent version of Photoshop to a version of Corel from, say, the early nineties, I seriously doubt that you can have any reason for such a claim. Compare two contemporary versions, and you will find no basis for it.
<--- See those avatars there? I have 75% of those avatars because of Corel, not because I am a very good artist. Oh, and the other avatar I made with Corel PhotoPaint.
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Eh. My version of Corel is from the mid-eighties, I believe (doesn't run on anything fancier than Windows 3.1, last I checked), and I've never really used PSP much, so I might be biased as to what I KNOW I can do, but it seems to me that Photoshop is... well, it's the standard for 2D, and it's that for a reason. It's possibly the most comprehensive tool I've ever seen for what it does, and it's getting more so all the time. There's next to nothing you can't do in Photoshop if you know how to go about it, and the endless third-party plugins make up for the rest.
'Course, I use it a lot of the time for a lot more... advanced applications than texturing and Glitterato. Since I'm a photographer, I probably get exposed more to the field Photoshop was really made for- However much it is becoming a paint app in its own now, it's really supposed to be an image editing tool, not an image creating one like PSP and (last I checked, which might be fifteen years ago) Corel.
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Prefer Photoshop.. though it is more expensive, paint shop runs extremely slow on mine when i'm using layers.. plus Photoshop had got more options..
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Originally posted by Tiara
I've heard too many people say "PSP is da bomb" or "PSP sux! Photoshop pwnz PSP!".
What about those of us who favor PSP, but don't talk like a drooling idiot?
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
How about something we can all agree on.
CorelDraw sux0rs!
if you are trying to use CorelDraw for anything FS2 related, then you have some serious issues. CorelDraw is for creating vector graphics, rather than raster graphics, like CorelPhotopaint, PSP, and PS are.
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Originally posted by Analazon
if you are trying to use CorelDraw for anything FS2 related, then you have some serious issues. CorelDraw is for creating vector graphics, rather than raster graphics, like CorelPhotopaint, PSP, and PS are.
Heh. I did not feel it worthwhile to try disabusing him of his confused notions. However, there actually is one useful application of Draw for FS2-related work: shield ANIs. One can create very sweet shield bubbles to encase the ship image in Draw, and then paste them into Photopaint. See the tutorial below.
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Well, I resent PhotoShop, because it is ridiculously expensive (I don't know a single person - literally - who uses a legal copy), uses way too many system resources (upgrade? are you kidding? money doesn't grow on trees :p), and also hides prodigious amounts of its power beneath dozens of palettes. The entire summary of what I learnt in two years of graphics class :)
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
What about those of us who favor PSP, but don't talk like a drooling idiot?
You get ++ for logic, sanity and generally not acting like an arsehole about the entire debate :)
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Assertion: There is a positive correlation between people who worship Photoshop/laugh at PaintShop Pro, and people who honestly don't understand the difference between pixel resolution and DPI.
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Assertion: There is a positive correlation between people who worship Photoshop/laugh at PaintShop Pro, and people who honestly don't understand the difference between pixel resolution and DPI.
:lol:
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Originally posted by Analazon
if you are trying to use CorelDraw for anything FS2 related, then you have some serious issues. CorelDraw is for creating vector graphics, rather than raster graphics, like CorelPhotopaint, PSP, and PS are.
Actually I meant PhotoPaint, as it is what they have at school. However, that version is from 1995, and so is ****. I haven't used any newer versions. I tried installing PSP at school, but was smitten down by the IT technician for "Improper use of the IT facilities".
I was providing a service, for god's sake!
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I use Photoshop 7 for all my Pre-design works. Sometimes ill use Illustrator for some Perspective drawings or some high vector stuff for use in flash. Fireworks is also another thing i use, in a process of other programs. I usually use a bunch together to get that best look. I dont use Paintshoppro anymore i stopped about 2 yrs ago. I found Photoshop had everything PSP did, and then some.
I agree Photoshop is a resource hog, however on a P3 450 with 512MB of SDRAM on a 10GB Drive you can run it and about 5 other high end programs without crashes or delay. It isnt so bad, alot worse then other but not so bad.
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I don't think anyone will argue that Photoshop is bad. But the fact is that for what most people do with it, it's like using a cappucino machine to boil water. Or a thresher to pick a daisy. Or a 747 to get the mail.
Well, you get the idea.
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I hear you. Im the kinda guy who likes to go 10 miles at 100 miles an hour. However i dont use PS just to add text or simple little effects. Usually i open it because im designing an entire site. And any real designer knows the start of a website begins on a nice 780x460 canvas. No better tool the PS to do it in.
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well I currently use PSP at the moment cause I got hold of a fairly cheap copy of PSP 7. I`ll upgrade if I ever get to the stage where I know what half of the options do (let alone actually use them) :)
Speaking of which does anyone know any good tutorials for making textures in PSP? Most of the ones I ever find are for photoshop.