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Title: Here something handy
Post by: Liberator on March 02, 2003, 04:16:15 am: For those who don't know, Caligari has released trueSpace 3.2 for download and free personal use. Get it here. (http://download.com.com/3000-2186-10187913.html?tag=lst-0-4)

56k users beware, it is a 21 mb file. Also, registration is required, but it is nothing. Follow the link in the ReadMe. Name and E-mail, hit submit and the next screen gives the Reg Code.

It Free, it works, and its better than GMax:mad:

*update*
Okay, it was brought to my attention that the link was broken.
Here is the updated download.com link (http://www.download.com/TrueSpace/3000-2186_4-10298420.html?tag=lst-0-1)

That new link should work, I tested it and it links to the file, I don't know about the registration process.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Goober5000 on March 02, 2003, 04:20:06 am: Nice. :)

This version will allow you to make complete models, right? I peeked into modelling once before, when only version 2 was free, and I think you had to have a later version to make model files.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Liberator on March 02, 2003, 04:45:19 am: Yep, I just used it to shave the LODS off of the Raynor in preparation for going into Homeworld. In 5 minutes flat I might add.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Killfrenzy on March 02, 2003, 12:10:36 pm: How DO you shave LODs off a model in trueSpace?

I've got 5.1 I might add.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Raptor on March 03, 2003, 06:24:26 am: More to the point, how do you MAKE LODS (and other submodels) in Truespace?!?

Only verison 2 here, so I'll be grapping that V3 ASAP (once I clean up my HD to make sure it fits.....)
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: pyro-manic on March 08, 2003, 04:27:29 pm: Hmmm...

Speaking of Truespace, how the hell do you use it? I have to say it's probably the most frustrating and unintuitive program I've ever tried to use.

When you try to do something, e.g. turn a cube into a cuboid, it does something weird. I tried to do just that by dragging one of the faces, but instead of elongating the shape, it stretched it into a sort of reversed-perspective-shaped thingy, that I couldn't then put back to its original shape. It's very confusing and I'm a bit stuck.

There are no help files that come with it, only a bunch of animated video-type "tutorials" that move far too fast and are unpauseable!

Does anyone know any good tutorials for TS?
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Galemp on March 08, 2003, 06:24:29 pm: TS=teh suck!!!1

I only use TrueSpace for hierarchy editing, never modeling. If you have other options, don't bother trying to learn as it's really obscure and not much use professionally.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: KARMA on March 09, 2003, 03:07:33 pm: Quote
Originally posted by pyro-manic
Hmmm...

Speaking of Truespace, how the hell do you use it? I have to say it's probably the most frustrating and unintuitive program I've ever tried to use.

i started with 5.0 and i found it intuitive, simple, somehow elegant
i started from zero without having used any 3d prog before, and i never used tutorials..ok i learned only the box modelling tools (i need it only for fs2 modding) and it taked a lot to discover most of the tricks and the uses of most commands (and i'm sure i still have to found many), but i learned the general philosophy in few days just pressing randomly the icons, and this was possible because the icons were exactly where i expected they should be.
Obviously this simplicity implies some disadvantages related to less options or and less powerful tools, but what you have should still be more than enough to make some decent fs2 model.....
I've tried far now max4 and lightwave just for a couple hours, i immediatly noticed the incredible amount, compared to truespace, of possibilities you have, but i had much much more starting problems too (probably because i was already used to TS workflow)

take in mind with TS that you can work at two levels: overall objects and object editing, each level has his own commands (for example a group of commands will pop-up after you enter editing mode)
to switch to editing mode press a select icon (face/vertices/edges) or right click on an object
to switch to object mode, click the icon with the arrow
you can work with general commands (scale move rotate) directly on screen (a toolbox will appear around selected faces/edges/vertices/objects), with a parameter editor (right click on the icon with the arrow) or with specific icons (for a sum of all the icons right click on trashbin icon) and don't forget that many commands parameters can be precisely edited by rightclicking on icons
this is a good part of what you will need to make fs2models, for more infos go to ipandrews' modelling tutorial or search for truespace manuals somewhere
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Mortex on March 11, 2003, 08:57:39 am: Can you use the Solidify plugin with this version?
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Grunt on March 29, 2003, 03:27:59 am: Quote
Originally posted by pyro-manic

Does anyone know any good tutorials for TS?

Yahoo rocks:
http://www.tutorgig.com/showurls.jsp?group=4760&index=0
;)

Still using TS1 for the pre-conversion adjustments.
A great prog ! Except for making thruster flames that work. :)

I find the flood of icons confusing and difficult to manage in TS 5.1 compared to the genuine simplicity of TS1.
But no doubt about the superiority of 3DS MAX in modeling and texturing.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: TrashMan on March 29, 2003, 06:48:06 am: TS is very simple. It takes a little time to get used to, especially if you worked in another 3D program like 3D Max.
But it is an excellent program....
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Galemp on March 29, 2003, 12:54:46 pm: If only it had a Zoom All button! :mad:
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: KARMA on March 30, 2003, 08:15:38 am: Quote
Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
If only it had a Zoom All button! :mad:

???
i use mousewheel to zoom
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: karajorma on March 30, 2003, 10:53:43 am: I think he means the function Lightwave has where it zooms to exactly the amount you need to see the whole model/scene. AFAIK truespace can`t do this you just have to zoom out manually.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: tomcat on April 29, 2003, 05:07:59 am: Quote
Originally posted by KARMA

???
i use mousewheel to zoom

only in TS5..
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: kasperl on April 29, 2003, 05:10:39 am: Quote
Originally posted by tomcat

only in TS5..

that's a bump, a very useless bump, over a month date devirence, nice. :doubt:
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Galemp on April 29, 2003, 02:02:31 pm: Meh, it's sticky. :D Doesn't really matter.
Title: 1.5 months late, but so what...
Post by: Hippo on June 11, 2003, 03:11:00 pm: Has anyone proven this copy of Truespace is clean? I got it once, and befre i could use it, my parents killed my HD, possibly a virus... I don't know if it was a virus with TS, or Kazaa... a yes or no will suffice...

--Hippo
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Mr. Vega on June 11, 2003, 03:13:43 pm: I downloaded it, no viruses.
Title: Re: 1.5 months late, but so what...
Post by: Liberator on June 11, 2003, 05:09:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Hippo
Has anyone proven this copy of Truespace is clean? I got it once, and befre i could use it, my parents killed my HD, possibly a virus... I don't know if it was a virus with TS, or Kazaa... a yes or no will suffice...

--Hippo

It's comes from Download.com, so the odds of viruses is next to zero.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Setekh on October 13, 2003, 05:33:39 pm: I renamed the thread more informatively. Man, this is one old thread. :p
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: freespacegundam on December 31, 2003, 11:02:40 pm: does anybody know what the serial number is? It doesn't tell me which one it is when I click submit. and I can't seem to read the readme.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: karajorma on January 01, 2004, 02:51:33 am: If you've been to this (http://forms.caligari.com/forms/tS32_free.html) site you should be able to get it to e-mail you the number.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Corsair mk. 2 on January 09, 2004, 04:45:04 pm: Forget about modeling, can I use TS for rendering?

And if I can... any good tutorials out there?
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: karajorma on January 09, 2004, 05:11:33 pm: TS can be used for rendering (in fact I can't think of a better free renderer). It's no where near the league Lightwave or Max are in but I've seen some pretty decent results from it.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: magatsu1 on January 10, 2004, 03:29:59 pm: I got v4.3 and have been using it to play around with textures. Give me a bell if you need any advice C.
(my knowledge is kinda limited though):doubt:
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Xelion on March 10, 2004, 07:34:16 am: Here a good resource Render-Lab (http://www.render-lab.com) :D
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Hippo on March 14, 2004, 11:46:07 am: I have proven to myself, that MAX 6 is MUCH better then truespace of you have a choice...
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: karajorma on March 14, 2004, 12:11:27 pm: And for your next trick you'll explain how a ferrari is better than a Golf GTI I suppose? :lol:
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Hippo on March 14, 2004, 12:37:23 pm: Quote
Originally posted by karajorma
And for your next trick you'll explain how a ferrari is better than a Golf GTI I suppose? :lol:

nah, i'd drive a golf cart first... best miles/galon ever!

Spoiler:
other then the fact they are usually electric...
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Baron MacDoblin on May 11, 2004, 12:03:50 am: Aaaand ... it's not there anymore ...
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Liberator on May 11, 2004, 02:10:43 pm: It appears that Caligari has stopped offering trueSpace 3.2 for download, and probably stopped supporting it period.:( Unless somebody knows more about it, this thread can probably be unstuck and left to die.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Setekh on June 30, 2004, 10:59:20 pm: I was just checking, and this thing is still available. You can get to it through this page:

http://forms.caligari.com/forms/ts3all_free.html

Which leads to this link:

http://www.caligari.com/products/truespace/ts3/tSetup32.exe
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: CainFortea on July 27, 2004, 10:08:13 pm: Well, at least I can save files with TS3, I just can't seam to find a way to import textures.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Night Hammer on August 18, 2004, 11:21:34 pm: File is gone, anyone got it? I wanna give it a whirl
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Liberator on August 18, 2004, 11:32:31 pm: Works okay for me, make sure you fill out the form as there is a serial number Caligari has to provide.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Xelion on August 19, 2004, 06:28:13 pm: Try this link (http://www.caligari.com/Products/trueSpace/ts3/) and go from there, or try using a different browser.
Title: Here something handy (trueSpace 3.2 legal download)
Post by: Max Sterling on August 27, 2004, 02:41:44 pm: Quote
Originally posted by pyro-manic
Hmmm...

Speaking of Truespace, how the hell do you use it? I have to say it's probably the most frustrating and unintuitive program I've ever tried to use.

When you try to do something, e.g. turn a cube into a cuboid, it does something weird. I tried to do just that by dragging one of the faces, but instead of elongating the shape, it stretched it into a sort of reversed-perspective-shaped thingy, that I couldn't then put back to its original shape. It's very confusing and I'm a bit stuck.

There are no help files that come with it, only a bunch of animated video-type "tutorials" that move far too fast and are unpauseable!

Does anyone know any good tutorials for TS?

The only thing I used it for was texturing, and that was only version 4 because it had cubic UV maps. I guess if my old tutorial is still up it has truespace for texturing. It was on... you know... that site... that was for Freespace... uhhh...
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Singh on November 16, 2005, 08:13:30 pm: Silly question, but might as well as ask as the topic's there.

Is there anywhere I can get Trueview from? Caligari dont seem to ahve it anymore, and a google search leads only to dead ends :(
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Axem on November 16, 2005, 09:48:28 pm: Trueview should be included with truespace. You'll have to add it in as a plugin, it should be in the plugins directory. I forget where you go to add plug ins though.
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Singh on November 16, 2005, 10:17:49 pm: I know that it needs to be added in as a plugin. Unfortuantely it didnt come with the Truespace I have with me, which is why I'm asking around in the first place :p
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Axem on November 16, 2005, 10:39:47 pm: No "TRUEVIEW.TSX"? It's in the TSX director actually, not plug ins. But if you still don't have it... here ya go.

http://www.game-warden.com/narfin/truespace/
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Singh on November 16, 2005, 10:43:45 pm: Tthat should about do it! :D

Much obliged, kind sir. :)
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Polpolion on July 22, 2006, 05:29:27 pm: :nervous:

:bump:

:nervous:

I am trying to model using this truespace program here, and when I edit verticies/face etc. coordinates with the object info panel, I enter the position and hit enter, and it just seemingly throws away the number I entered and puts in a random position.

:nervous:

I googled for help, but I didn't find anything, and I watched some turtorials, again no help.

PLease halp me!

:nervous:
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: StratComm on August 06, 2006, 04:58:32 pm: Dude, if you want to make a comment, do it with less smilies and silly comments. Please.

And whoever is putting this thing together, could you please PM me with an e-mail address that can take large attachments? I want to get that Orion fix out.
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: bizzybody on August 27, 2006, 10:01:11 am: For Caligari trueSpace 3.2

5300311551997

Direct download from;

http://www.caligari.com/products/truespace/ts3/tSetup32.exe <-Link fixed

I dunno if that's the serial number their form hands out, but I think any time I used their form to get the link to ts32.zip it was always the same serial number. I'd love to see Caligari put the last 4.x trueSpace out for free, but they probably can't due to it having the Lightworks rendering engine. (Licensing issues y'know, where the outfit that wote lightworks would want $$ for every copy of tS4.) When that version was new, the Lightworks rendering plugin for Lightwave cost more than trueSpace. With tS 4 it was like getting Lightworks FREE. :)
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Flipside on September 03, 2006, 12:24:56 am: I wonder what happened to ol' Liberator, he kinda started playing Eve and then vanished....
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Descenter on September 03, 2006, 01:36:29 am: Quote from: bizzybody on August 27, 2006, 10:01:11 am
For Caligari trueSpace 3.2

5300311551997

Direct download from;

http://www.caligari.com/download/ts32.zip

I dunno if that's the serial number their form hands out, but I think any time I used their form to get the link to ts32.zip it was always the same serial number. I'd love to see Caligari put the last 4.x trueSpace out for free, but they probably can't due to it having the Lightworks rendering engine. (Licensing issues y'know, where the outfit that wote lightworks would want $$ for every copy of tS4.) When that version was new, the Lightworks rendering plugin for Lightwave cost more than trueSpace. With tS 4 it was like getting Lightworks FREE. :)

BTW Linky broken me thinks...
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Goober5000 on September 03, 2006, 01:51:07 am: Quote from: Flipside on September 03, 2006, 12:24:56 am
I wonder what happened to ol' Liberator, he kinda started playing Eve and then vanished....

Well, I think you answered your own question. :)
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 03, 2006, 10:03:35 pm: He poofed from EVE too. For all the EVE folks can tell he got hit by a truck.
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: vyper on October 23, 2006, 01:59:19 pm: I think constantly having his beliefs and political opinions challenged in such effective and unstoppable ways took its toll.
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Flipside on October 23, 2006, 02:15:26 pm: Well, he always seemed a bit self-deprecating, I worried for him a bit to be honest, always seemed on the edge of slipping into depression.

Anyway, hope he's ok :)
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Mav on June 07, 2007, 07:14:16 pm: Quote from: thesizzler on July 22, 2006, 05:29:27 pm
I am trying to model using this truespace program here, and when I edit verticies/face etc. coordinates with the object info panel, I enter the position and hit enter, and it just seemingly throws away the number I entered and puts in a random position.

:nervous:

I googled for help, but I didn't find anything, and I watched some turtorials, again no help.

PLease halp me!
Just in case you haven't found out yet - or in case someone else should stumble upon this problem - :

trueSpace did these things to me usually because of one of two reasons, namely
1) that the wrong set of coordinates was selected in the bottom right of the screen (that box with around three letters in it - make sure it says something like "WLD" [world], not "SCR" [screen] or "OBJ" [object]) ; though this is more an issue if you try to drag things around with the mouse)
(though once you get more advanced, the other two can also become a great help)

and 2) that a higher level of hierarchy was selected, which might quite well have been the case here. To solve this, either move down the hierarchy with the grey down-arrow that's somewhere in the toolbar until you reach the lowest hierarchy-level or use the plugin (trueview?) to directly select the mesh you wish to be working on instead of some group that contains it;
and in both cases do so before you start with editing.

I hope this is/will be of use for some people :) .
And sorry for thread necromancing... :nervous: :shaking:
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: varsaigen on July 12, 2008, 12:31:02 pm: I have a question, how do you move points around in truespace??? I'm trying to create a Shivan Stealth fighter and I need to move stuff around. :/
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Stormkeeper on July 13, 2008, 08:01:56 am: Move points ? What do you mean by move points ?
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: varsaigen on July 13, 2008, 09:59:50 am: nvm about truespace, I gave up on that. I'm now trying to convert my pof files to 3DS so I can nake my changes. Since I know how to use GMax, I might as well use it. :P
Title: Re: Here something handy
Post by: Enigmatic Entity on August 24, 2009, 11:04:12 pm: Since this thread is still stickied, someone should update the first post, since Truespace is now completely free.

http://www.caligari.com/downloads.html