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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lonestar on March 12, 2003, 10:38:52 am
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http://www.280d.net/
Thats the definition of Bigot. How sickening. To think, some people dont agree with others, and express it in this way.
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well he does get a bit personal, but I can't say as i blame him, or completly disagree,
there is a lot of anti-france sentement running through the US these days
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The Definition of Bigot
More like definition of an asshole... :doubt:
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Originally posted by Bobboau
well he does get a bit personal, but I can't say as i blame him, or completly disagree,
there is a lot of anti-france sentement running through the US these days
Fine by me hate them all you want. In France and Germany lots of Anti American Feelings are going around, would the USA stand or its people stand for a webpage that discredits the USA? It would be like their biggest mistake ever, and it prolly would be worldwide news considering the state of affairs.
I dont agree with lots of people, but to make a webpage the makes fun of an entire race or culture is rascist in its purest form.
Fine to say you disagree or even think they are stupid, but this sites campaign is just sick. I thought after the Blacks were freed this type of thing was in the past? I guess it isnt. It seems ok to be rascist against those who oppose us, otherwise its wrong just dont sit right with me.
Sorry about getting all uppity about this. I am not a french descendant in any way, just this type of behaviour is something that heats me right up.
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to make things short: right now I have a sad smile on my face and an odd urge to laugh hysterically... call me weird.
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Originally posted by venom2506
call me weird.
You're weird.
Happy? :)
(Hey, you DID ask for it)
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Ok I'm going to guess something on that site changed,...since I don't see anything other than a gaming site for a team involved in some WW2 game.
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:wtf: Warlock's right...
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erm i dont understand :nervous: somebody explain plz ?
edit: reading warlocks post now never mind :)
In France and Germany lots of Anti American Feelings are going around
meh ? id rather say many countrys dont agree with the current administration not that (we) hate america and its people......
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Seems my plight succeeded. Thanks for the help (although u guys did unknowingly)
He took down his rascist remarks against the Frech People. That site spoke rascist comments towards france due to its position on the Iraqi Conflict.
Im glad i clould be part of tearing down that hypocrisy
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There are actually thousands of sites like that on the internet, both for and against the US. The thing about the internet is that there is no law enforcement or anything (since it is impossible), so just about anything can be found around here.
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Just my two cents on the "why" part of it all..... last week on CNN my GF and I saw this whole broadcast about the President's last speech etc etc ,... one thing they made sure got repeated alot was that some companies in France were ones that sold parts for nukes and such to Iraq. Which the average person probably heard has "France gave Iraq some Nukes"
Now that site is most likely run by teenagers, which by definition means thy're pretty reactionary (You said what about my mom? *Punch in the face*)
Personally, I've got no problems with France's stance or Germany's stance on the whole Iraqi thing. I've got no problems with other countries that want to give Iraqi a few more weeks/months. To me that's all just like us here, we rarely agree completely over something,....heh hell look up the old FS vs FS2 threads for proof :) But we all get over it and get along after we put our flame throwers down :D
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well but its good that some racist crap is of the net init ?
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Yea im sure there are alot of rascist stuff. However the ones ive seen i will always give contention to. For some reason teenagers or not, they need to be told its wrong and reflects badly on an entire society, not just the bums who write it.
I dont agree with alot of countries, but i dont get rascist over it. Heck i work with the DATDB people and i think ive argued with every one of them except Sutehp and Knight Templar. however no ones leaving DATDB and we still manage to get things done (even though i dont get much done things get done)
guess my point is is if you cant agree, dont hate. it makes things worse.
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Recently in my area the National Front had a website and on it was a hitlist containing the names of many far-left anti-racism protesters. This is bigotism in a high form. Especially since I could quite easily have been on that list (was protesting about BNP in Mixenden, you see)
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Did someone call?
Ah. Right.
Gotta love it really.
American Agression™, knocking human advancement back 200 years.
I find it amusing that people whine and ***** about racism then they're all "****ing Al Qaeda. Let's bomb Iraq"
I just love the hypocracy of people in general. They love freedom of speech and fiercly defend it until someone comes along saying something they don't like.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but America's whole beef with Iraq is that it supposedly possesses WMD's, like America, and opposes fair democratic process.........
Oh and regarding Warlock's post, and this is in no way an opinion or anything; There are several British companies creditted with supplying the German army with weapons components just before and just into both world wars.
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It is also said that IBM aided Hitler.
Anyway, I quite agree with you an0n. I know a lot of people who claim not to be racist, but are all for bombing and invading Iraq because, and I quote "It will get rid of some Pakis".
These people have no Idea.
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Originally posted by an0n
Oh and regarding Warlock's post, and this is in no way an opinion or anything; There are several British companies creditted with supplying the German army with weapons components just before and just into both world wars.
Yea I know, just pointing out how somethings get blown out of proportion.
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The problem with the world nowadays isn't terrorism, or biggotry, or war, or disease, or famine. It's that those to whom we entrust the safety and well-being of our respective nations are merely power-hungry megalomaniacs.
We elect people who wish to leader us instead of people who wish to serve us.
The government is not there to tell us how and when and where and why to die, or to tell us what we can and cannot do. it is there to help us die how and when and where and why we want to and to ensure that what the millions of people across the country, those tremendous amounts of opinions and morales, have decided is best for us is carried out as quickly, easily and simply as possible.
They sit in their thrones of immeasurable power and dictate to the population what is best for us, when in truth the opposite should be the case.
We elect officials so that our opinions and our views and our hopes and our dreams are taken to the places where people will listen and where people will do everything they can to make them happen. But as it is, all anyone in power cares about is keeping that power, be it through war, lies, corruption or sheer hoarding of money.
They no longer serve the people and only live to serve themselves. It is not war or famine or disease or racism that we should be striving to end but the lies of our leaders.
And this, this is why the world is going to hell in a hand-basket.
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In what way, can hating Al Qaeda(a terrorist organisation) be racist? I hate them because they a bunch of extremist evil murder, not because they are muslim or arabs. I dislike Saddamn Hussian not because he is arabic, but because he is a cruel dictator.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Recently in my area the National Front had a website and on it was a hitlist containing the names of many far-left anti-racism protesters. This is bigotism in a high form. Especially since I could quite easily have been on that list (was protesting about BNP in Mixenden, you see)
That BNP scumbag that got elected to some towns council(Burnely or something) got beat up.
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No, you dislike Saddam Hussein because you're highly susceptable to propaganda.
And it's hypocritical to call Al Qaeda 'extremist evil murders' because they've killed a few thousand people tops, when America is planning to incinerate several hundred thousand people.
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:rolleyes:
That covers most everything above....and some how I highly doubt the Joint Chiefs are sitting down to "So,... how best can we fry thousands upon thousands of ppl?"
:doubt:
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Well, now that the site has been reverted or whatever, crisis averted. Thank you, come again.
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And has in the past, and likely won't stop after this time. People kill people- it's humanity's biggest pasttime, other than ****ing people. Since people ****ing people tends to largely counteract the effects of people killing people, it all works out in the end.
It's pretty silly to complain about "bigots" these days anyway, since most everyone but the most wishy-washy, almost by definition is. If you think of any one group- be it political, racial, national, or cultural- as more or less a single, undifferentiated mass with a specific personality, and if you dislike some of these groups (and that extends to things like "Al Qaeda" and "Palestinians" as well as "those durn niggers") then you are a bigot- you dismiss a large group of people you don't know as essentially bad, because for whatever reason you've made up your mind that this group exemplifies some trait you dissaprove of.
Don't feel bad. Everyone does it- it's pretty much impossible to not be a bigot without conscious effort, due to the scale of the world you live in and incredibly poor quality of news services. But at least try not to be a hypocritical bigot, and tolerate others' stupidities so long as they aren't hurting anyone. Do unto others and all that...
Warlock: Define "war", then. And don't use chicken**** terms equating it to politics.
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Seems my plight succeeded.
Uhh... "ploy"?
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I find it amusing that people whine and ***** about racism then they're all "****ing Al Qaeda. Let's bomb Iraq"
Hmmm ASSumption anyone?
It's pretty silly to complain about "bigots" these days anyway, since most everyone but the most wishy-washy, almost by definition is. If you think of any one group- be it political, racial, national, or cultural- as more or less a single, undifferentiated mass with a specific personality, and if you dislike some of these groups (and that extends to things like "Al Qaeda" and "Palestinians" as well as "those durn niggers") then you are a bigot- you dismiss a large group of people you don't know as essentially bad, because for whatever reason you've made up your mind that this group exemplifies some trait you dissaprove of.
So your saying everyones a rascist right?
My days here are done. I once thought most North Americans were actually smart, but now i realize most are too self centered and stuck up to admit their wrong, and also so opinionated that they dont see whats wrong with the world, heck they cant even see past their own face.
Good Luck with HLP, im officially withdrawing my support on anything i do here. Its just not worth supporting so many (how can i say this nicely) ignorant bigots.
Have a nice life.
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Goddamnit... not again. Please not again.. :sigh:
For the record, I have no comment. :blah:
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Come on guys, it doesn't have to be this way - we've all gotten on fairly well before - and god knows we've people from many walks of life on here. Lets try and keep it together and get along - even when the rest of the planet can't seem to manage. Please?
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Jeez... It happened again... :mad2:
Somebody lock this.
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I'd rather not - I want people to resolve this, The whole world crises things can claim many things but I'd like to think it can't really touch HLP. Someone prove that for me.
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Alright, who's going to convince Lonestar we're not all bigots?
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Well we can't force him to believe anything - I'd just rather people took the "well actually, if I'm honest" approach rather than the "I must argue to save face - even though I don't mean this" approach. I've never noticed anyone be truly bigoted around here before - I just don't want everyone to radically change what they think of eachother just because people may have a strong feeling one way or the other about this.
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What everyone has to understand is that everyone has a right to their own opinion (at least American's do). The internet, yes, is an international forum without law enforcement or a general constitution on what could and could not be said or expressed. It is up to the server or the domain to regulate such things. But every single person who ever logs on to the internet has the right to hit the little "X" in the corner of the browser if they don't want to continue viewing whatever it is that offends them. The same soapbox could be stood on for porn or explicit lyrics.
Lonestar, I am no means telling you that if you don't like what they're saying here then don't come back (I was referring to that website. But understand that this is a forum where people can express their opinions. And just as you expressed how you were offended by that website, anyone here (including AnOn) can also express their opinion. One cannot stand at a corner and shout something out that offends them, and then shut their ears when someone disagrees and tries to explain how they feel.
And that's the beauty of a forum like this, it brings people from different cultures together and allows you to hear different views that you may feel very passionately about or against (or just don't care). I personally get upset when I hear people rant and rave about how Amercians are bullies when we're looking out for ourselves (and the world to some degree), but I don't give them the bird and tell them their all bigots just because they don't side with me.
I don't know about Canadian law, but I would think that they have a similar freedom of speech. Please reconsider you leaving this website simply because someone else disagreed with you. It would be a loss to this forum.
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Yeah, man. We're all a team here.
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Opinions are like assholes,....we all have one .....they usually stink
and guys ,... just give Lone time to cool down. He's not going to quit completely,.. He's good guy,..but he does let his emtions take over at times. Not the first time I've seen this happen.
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Thanks guys - I knew people could make the effort - hope is not lost.
I am however going to close this thread, I think enough has been said on the original topic anyhow... please try and keep the war threads (that are bound to ensue) clean and free from... well, racism - being generally stupid, the usual really. Just think about it before you post it :)