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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Petrarch of the VBB on March 29, 2003, 02:28:25 pm
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So. Let us discuss the virtues of the PC and the console.
I shall start.
PCs will always be better for these reasons.
PCs can be upgraded
PC games can have mods, addons etc.
PCs have so much more to offer than just gaming.
What are console games made on, if not PCs?
Consoles are infested with cartoony kiddy games.
PC games are (generally) cheaper
PCs have FREESPACE!
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I've noticed a general trend that people who only play consoles - are stupider. Or atleast pc gamers are smarter. Or maybe just nerdier. :nervous:
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
PC games can have mods, addons etc. What I live for!
PCs have so much more to offer than just gaming.Like the Internet and all its wondrous uses.
PCs have FREESPACE! ;)
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Consoles generally have miniaturized components, which are next to ****ing impossible to get normally and are a must for lots of applications. However, their parts also aren't compatible with a lot of things, are more susceptible to soldering-gun burnout, and people throw them out less than laptops.
PCs are good if you want something for a reason that doesn't involve taking it apart and stripping its components for something more worthwhile.
Macs are good if you want something that's like a PC, only slower, without a floppy drive or most other hard formats, uses a mouse apparently made for people who can remember 50 different mouse/keyboard commands but can't get the hang of a second mouse button, has half the good software, can't be properly modified, and compensates for all this lack by having brightly colored plastic. Different tastes...
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abacus. because these kind of conversations are stupid, they aren't exactly that much different, and there probably will be even less difference between the two things in the future.
sure, consoles are all fun and games, but you can use your computer for work too. that's about the only difference there is today...
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Console graphics suck big time
Consoles can't render :p
Consoles dont have advanced graphic engines
Consoles can have up to 8MB of graphic memory while PCs can have up to 128 :p
Consoles can't browse the web :p
Consoles can't be used for serious work :p
Consoles are SLOW :p :p
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Originally posted by kode
sure, consoles are all fun and games, but you can use your computer for work too. that's about the only difference there is today...
No.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
PCs can be upgraded
PC games can have mods, addons etc.
PCs have so much more to offer than just gaming.
What are console games made on, if not PCs?
PC games are (generally) cheaper
PCs have FREESPACE!
PCs crash. You need to buy new bits on a regular basis to keep up with games. They're expensive.
Consoles are infested with cartoony kiddy games.
Perfect Dark, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, Soul Calibre. Want more?
Originally posted by Razor
Console graphics suck big time
Consoles dont have advanced graphic engines
Ever played Zelda or Metroid on the Cube? Resident Evil? Rogue Leader?
Consoles can't browse the web
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Unless you buy Bill's big black box.
Consoles can't be used for serious work
You (somehow) miss the point. Consoles are for FUN GAMES, not word processing and rendering.
Consoles are SLOW
Someone's never played F-Zero X. Sorry, Razor, but I still think you're a tit.
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This is your idea of "The Great Debate," Petrarch? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Perfect Dark, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, Soul Calibre. Want more?
Ever played Zelda or Metroid on the Cube? Resident Evil? Rogue Leader?
You forgot halo :p
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and you forgot your proper vB code
Generally, they are both made for different things, but console games that are the cream of their crop (Perfect Dark, Zelda, Mario, etc) generally take the cake most of their PC counterparts.
The thing is, their types of games are different. You don't see mario or zelda or any of that kinda of game really on PC. There are definitly comparible games to those, but they don't really feel the same at all unless they are ported, and then they still have a differnet feel.
And generally, this question is kinda retarded and should be refraised as "what type of game is better?"
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What I'd say is that anyone that calls themself a gamer, would not limit themself. The only reason I don't own a Gamecube is because there aren't enough titles to warrant me buying one, though with the new price drop I'm sorely tempted. I don't own a PS2 because my brother has one and it might as well be mine for how much he uses it. I play both my P.C and X-Box regularly and bitterley regret selling my dreamcast. I just can't really understand why some people would want to limit themselves just because they prefer a certain format.
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YOU CALL YOURSELF A GAMER! YOU'RE NOT A GAMER! YOU'RE JUST A LITTLE COMPUTER-OBSESSED PANSY WANNABE! NOW GET OUT OF MY SIGHT, YOU MAGGOT, AND MAKE SPACE FOR REAL MEN LIKE US! HOO-AH!
:lol:
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
YOU CALL YOURSELF A GAMER! YOU'RE NOT A GAMER! YOU'RE JUST A LITTLE COMPUTER-OBSESSED PANSY WANNABE! NOW GET OUT OF MY SIGHT, YOU MAGGOT, AND MAKE SPACE FOR REAL MEN LIKE US! HOO-AH!
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SIR, YES SIR.
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i like both i just spend most ok all my spare time on the pc
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Originally posted by Turnsky
You forgot halo :p
Let's see, would that involve me buying a Billbox? Ah yes, indeed it would - well in that case it can go hang :)
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PC games can have mods, addons etc.
This alone is enough for me; editing and modifying things is half the experience in any game.
You (somehow) miss the point. Consoles are for FUN GAMES, not word processing and rendering.
They cannot be used to do math and that certainly qualifies as fun, so they are no good. :p
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Let's see, would that involve me buying a Billbox?
Or at least fabricating something that's compatible. Basically, if you took the read coding off of someone else's Xbox, you could take any high-quality CD player and a basic computer setup and make your own.
Since it's Microsoft, the one-trick pony, I even bet it's got enough of Windows in it that you could do that and have the box run as a regular comp, as well.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Since it's Microsoft, the one-trick pony, I even bet it's got enough of Windows in it that you could do that and have the box run as a regular comp, as well.
actually, that has been done...there was a link over at netwerkin, but I can't be assed to dig it up right now that would turn an x-box into a fully-functioning windows machine.
Basically, get a PC with that kina horsepower for the price of an x-box...pretty decent sounding deal to me...
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Or I could just spray me tower black and whack a filthy great green X on it...
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Someone's never played F-Zero X. Sorry, Razor, but I still think you're a tit.
:doubt: No I never played that game. Actually I don't play on consoles. But OK, try to play JK2 on consoles on 1280*1024, all details rigged to high, volumetric shadows and all that without slowdowns. Or ok. That game is too advanced. Try Max Payne on consoles wit all high res options. Oh and I really appreciate your opinion about me. :doubt:
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yes, the television does limit the screen res somewhat
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PC = Multi-purpose. Depends on the machine itself on what it can do.
Console = Only does one thing.
I prefer to consolodate.
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PC games can have mods, addons etc.
Hmmm... You have a RPG maker utility on the PS/PS2. You can program/create your very own 3d or 2d RPG's :D
This alone is enough for me; editing and modifying things is half the experience in any game.
They cannot be used to do math and that certainly qualifies as fun, so they are no good.
Editing: See my above statement.
Math: Well, you'll need math if you want to program a decent RPG for the PS/PS2 :)
As for which is better...
IT'S A MATTER OF TASTE!
what?:nervous:
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Originally posted by Turnsky
yes, the television does limit the screen res somewhat
It is not just the res. Wit propper hardware tweaking, I am able to see people in Max Payne as though as they are 90% real. On consoles, their faces look like those twisted faces in The Ring.
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Originally posted by Razor
:doubt: No I never played that game. Actually I don't play on consoles. But OK, try to play JK2 on consoles on 1280*1024, all details rigged to high, volumetric shadows and all that without slowdowns. Or ok. That game is too advanced. Try Max Payne on consoles wit all high res options. Oh and I really appreciate your opinion about me. :doubt:
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I like both, and if I could, I'd get an Xbox.
This kind of debate is kindda old :/
It was ok back in the nineties, when you could find the same kind of games on consoles and on computers ( Gods, the Blues Brothers, Prehistoric versus Mario, Zelda, etc, or mortal kombat, OMF versus the capcom or SNK games. Or even, why not, a little Xenon2 vs Project X )
But now, what's the point? you have a handful of games that can be compared ( a few FPS, and even fewer RTS ). and that's all :doubt:
what to compare? If I want to play, say, Dead or Alive, I'll be very happy with my ubber PC with its radeon 92 K alpha prime, that's for sure :doubt:
But I sure hate playing that Turok2 game on my friends PS2, coz I can't do crap with a paddle ( having my ass whipped on a FPS, I feel kindda ****ty, give me back my keyboard :p ).
So yeah, I like both the same.
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Originally posted by Razor
It is not just the res. Wit propper hardware tweaking, I am able to see people in Max Payne as though as they are 90% real. On consoles, their faces look like those twisted faces in The Ring.
which is mainly on behalf of TV magic...
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Although I like my PC, I must addmit I prefer my old Acorn A3010. That's a pc (note the lower case).
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PCs will always rule supreme, because as someone said near the start of this thread, console gamers tend to be stupid-ish.
And PCs can be upgraded, whereas consoles have to be replaced more often.
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Originally posted by Tar-Palantir
Although I like my PC, I must addmit I prefer my old Acorn A3010. That's a pc (note the lower case).
Hey, I don't suppose you have a game called Bughunter II? That game rox0red...
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PCs.
The older models of consoles hardly ever work with the newer games and dvds.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
PCs will always rule supreme, because as someone said near the start of this thread, console gamers tend to be stupid-ish.
And PCs can be upgraded, whereas consoles have to be replaced more often.
you might notice that the upgrading cost for a PC is higher than buying a new console? Yes, you must have, you don't play console games, so you're more intelligent :doubt:
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
PCs will always rule supreme, because as someone said near the start of this thread, console gamers tend to be stupid-ish.
[color=66ff00]Wow, now there's an intelligent sweeping generalisation 'console gamers tend to be stupidish'.
I own a Dreamcast, I also own a GBA, I have in the past had a SNES, a megadrive (genesis) and a NES. I obviously also own a PC. All of these platforms have at some time or another brought me great joy.
I don't care about the machine. I care about the game.
If that makes me stupid then I guess I'll sit here in quiet, ignorant bliss and let the rest of you do your own thing.
But that's just me.
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Fancy a bit of Mariokart, Maeg? I bagsy Luigi :D
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Fancy a bit of Mariokart, Maeg? I bagsy Luigi :D
[color=66ff00]SNES or N64? I and most other Kart fans rate the original SNES version as the better game. The GBA version is supposed to take the best from both games but I haven't played it. Anyhow I don't think the pad would reach from your place to mine. ;)
I prefer Koopa personally.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]SNES or N64? I and most other Kart fans rate the original SNES version as the better game. The GBA version is supposed to take the best from both games but I haven't played it. Anyhow I don't think the pad would reach from your place to mine. ;)
I prefer Koopa personally.
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You do know that ZSnes has online play, yes?
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Originally posted by 01010
You do know that ZSnes has online play, yes?
[color=66ff00]Yeah but I needed an excuse to slide in that pad joke.
I've never actually used it though, is the speed good 'cos I'm on 56K for the time being?
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Yeah but I needed an excuse to slide in that pad joke.
I've never actually used it though, is the speed good 'cos I'm on 56K for the time being?
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I've never used it either, but I couldn't really seeing most snes games really being too taxing on the old modem, I think that it'd run pretty well.
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[color=66ff00]Which reminds me; I'd forgotten to see if they'd got a fully working version of the SNESpad driver for win2k. There were timing issues with it if I remember correctly.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]SNES or N64? [/color]
Oh come on. Marikart 64 doesn't hold a candle to the original :D
And the GBA version was pretty damn good, but to be honset my love affair with the Gameboy seems to have died a death (and it fills me with shame to say that)
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In short, PCs do massively multiplayer/more then 4 player better and have better games in every genre bar beat em ups.
HOWEVER
The PC has NOTHING on Consoles when it comes to "right lads back from the pub with me kebab and well pissed on 10 pints of stella....... whose for some Halo/super monkey ball/doax volleyball" etc. il call this the "mate factor" they are simply more fun but to have this "mate factor" you need to have mates! Therin lies the problem.
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Actually, this is a very astute obervation. Let us refer to it as the 'Mario Party factor'.
I've barely played my consoles this year. Last year, in the student halls, we played Mario Golf, Mario Kart, F-Zero and all the rest almost constantly. The three guys I live with this year have a passing interest in consoles (well, except one guy with the misfortune of owning a playstation), and as a result I fire up the N64 perhaps twice a month for a few quick laps around Mute City.
You know, I had to flog my Cube the other day. Pained me something rotten, but I'd barely played it (I had Luig's Mansion, Rogue Leader and Resi) and I need instant cash. Thing was I really wanted Zelda and Metroid... bah (http://216.40.249.192/s/otn/angry/blxsuspicious.gif)
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
... and have better games in every genre bar beat em ups.
Show me a PC RPG that's better than Zelda. Or a racer that's better than Mariokart. Or a platform game that's better than Marioworld.
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An rpg that actually lets you roleplay?
Zelda is an action adventure, Fallout is an RPG.
Oh yeah your right about those 2 genres i just forgot to mention them.
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:ha:
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Originally posted by Analazon
actually, that has been done...there was a link over at netwerkin, but I can't be assed to dig it up right now that would turn an x-box into a fully-functioning windows machine.
And there is also a flaw in the James Bond game where if you have Linux stuck on the flash chip, you can install Linux on the X-box. :D
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Show me a PC RPG that's better than Zelda. Or a racer that's better than Mariokart. Or a platform game that's better than Marioworld.
ah, come on, zelda is not a rpg and mario kart barely a racer :/
it's like saying diablo is a RPG and worms armageddon a strategy game :p
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Show me a PC RPG that's better than Zelda. Or a racer that's better than Mariokart. Or a platform game that's better than Marioworld.
RPG: Elderscrolls 3:Morrowind
can't think of any decent PC racers atm, not exacly a big fan of the genre.
as for platformers..... the best i can think of right now is soul reaver 2
oh wait, there is Duke nukem: manhattan project, that's a true platformer as marioworld could be best described as a '3d action-adventure'...
as for the console vs PC on FPS's well, it really depends of the control scheme, and i NEVER had halo slow down on me, that was during the most intense battles towards the end of the game (no other details than that, may piss of those who are awaiting Halo pc)
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I sometimes play a few games on my Sega Saturn or NES. I find most of these console games harder to finish then PC games. I am thinkign of buying a Game Cube pack with Metroid Prime game with it. And Resident Evil, that game looks damn good on the Game Cube and is more fun then on the playstation.
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Unless it's metal gear solid 2, then you just watch the game instead of actually PLAYING it :p
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Originally posted by Turnsky
as for the console vs PC on FPS's well, it really depends of the control scheme, and i NEVER had halo slow down on me, that was during the most intense battles towards the end of the game (no other details than that, may piss of those who are awaiting Halo pc)
barely, you have so much better FPS than halo on PC... ( and old ones, like renegade or RTCW, I don't even talk about upcoming stuff like doom3 - No, I won't talk about Duke3D forever :p... )
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true.... personally i hate the dual shock controller yet i can kick my father's arse in MOH multi on the playstation and he's a seasoned veteran.. wierd huh? mind you, there's nothing funnier than sneaking up on somebody in halo multi and hitting them over the head with a rocket launcher :D
oh yeah i forgot.. in halo CTF you can use the flag as a melee weapon as well as the 'ball' in oddball (it's a skull) :D
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
In short, PCs do massively multiplayer/more then 4 player better and have better games in every genre bar beat em ups.
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Phantasy star online: MMRPG
Metropolis street racer: Racing game
Shenmue 1/2: defies categorisation - nothing like it on PC that I'm aware of
Yoshi's island: Platormer
I could think of a whole bunch more but these are the ones I've played most and have yet to find anything on PC that isn't simply a clone or poor copy.
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if its japanese and an RPG it doesnt count for me sorry :P
But as i said i missed racing and platform games out...... partly because they just dont intrest me at all (and i forgot).
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
they just dont intrest me at all
Ditto. Racing games piss me off ('cept GTA)
and platform games are usually too cartoony for my tastes.