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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fineus on March 30, 2003, 10:54:05 am

Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Fineus on March 30, 2003, 10:54:05 am
Hey guys, I've a question...and a bit of a story...

On Friday night my computer died. When I say died I mean I was happily playing BF1942 when it just turned off. Pushing the power button yielded a short spurt of power and then it turned off again... and didn't turn back on. The PSU was really hot so I left it for the night. The next day I tried again with a different cable, the PSU sparked and smoke came out... I turned it off again. The fuse had blown - luckily this was all it was but it was a huge power spike that caused it (I think). So I'm curious now, what precautions do you guys take against this kind of thing?
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: DragonClaw on March 30, 2003, 11:09:17 am
Simple. I got a power supply backup that has its own surge protector and all sitting here right next to my computer. Protects it against power surges AND power outages :)  Very nice piece of equipment.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: IceFire on March 30, 2003, 12:15:37 pm
Depends on what kind of surges your talking about.  My computer has no doubt sustained some damage from the rash of near constant power outages in my area about a year ago during the summer.  I've got a surge protector on it (a decent one - nothing special) and I've managed to survive most of it but I suspect that it did a number on the sound card I just replaced a couple of weeks ago.

The other possiblity is that your power supply was DONE (thats a technical term :D).  It happens...they shoot sparks, they blast out smoke and they die.  The quicker you open your case up and clear the stench out and the quicker you get a new power supply the better.  HOPEFULLY, cross your fingers here, there has been no damage done to your internal components...if it was shooting sparks, hope that nothing has been damaged.

Eletrical shorts and the like can be very wacky on components.  Sometimes causing no damage and sometimes causing the entire system to get fried.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Darkage on March 30, 2003, 12:16:58 pm
Since i live in a old house i don't have surge protection on my wall plugs. what i did was to buy a plug board where you can put 3 extra things in but i use it with a fuse. Thats the best protection i can get. And i use a normal wire from my case to a water pipe in my room that is conected to the eart pin.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: an0n on March 30, 2003, 01:51:40 pm
I don't get power surges. My wiring knows better than to start giving me ****.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Carl on March 30, 2003, 02:23:28 pm
Here is your best option:
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Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: SKYNET-011 on March 30, 2003, 03:08:24 pm
:lol::yes:
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Stryke 9 on March 30, 2003, 03:14:18 pm
Turning the computer off during lightning storms. Trying to test-drive any EM tools I make at other peoples' houses.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Whitelight on March 30, 2003, 03:31:34 pm
Your computer isn`t the only thing at risk, also your modem can suffer from spikes... My phone modem was fried by a lightening strike.. Also a cable modem can suffer the same fate... I`ve got a surge protector that protects against all the above, expensive, but it works to my advantage..
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Stryke 9 on March 30, 2003, 04:05:21 pm
Modems are fairly cheap. Computers are not.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Liberator on March 30, 2003, 05:44:24 pm
The point is that your computer can fry just as easily on a phone line, so don't forget to unplug ALL the wires.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Vertigo1 on March 30, 2003, 08:21:37 pm
I use an APC Back Office 500. :)  (not the giant brick kind, the flat ones)

Cost me $70 at the time (two years ago), but its saved my ass on a number of occasions so it was money well spent.  Plus, I've got a $25,000 warranty on anything connected to it! :)  If my comp croaks, I get new parts. :p  It even acts as a line filter! (got an extra 1.5k/sec on my download speeds because of it!)
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Carl on March 30, 2003, 11:29:06 pm
pfft. just unplug everything. better than spending 70 bucks.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Fineus on March 31, 2003, 12:52:52 am
That's my problem - to all extents there shouldn't have been a problem, no storm... infact fairly fair weather outside. This was due to unusual load on the power in my room, at least thats what I think it was...
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: kode on March 31, 2003, 01:00:47 am
only thing I ever get are short voltage drops... I guess I should get some kind of protection against spikes tho... But why fix things when they aren't broken? :D
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Stryke 9 on March 31, 2003, 01:07:53 am
Dude, there's no way you can have a surge in just one room, unless you're monkeying with the electrical system at the time. For one thing, pretty much any place built since, say, the 20s has a fusebox...
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Hunter on March 31, 2003, 01:17:31 am
Whats an unusual load to you Thunder might be pretty normal load for everyone else. It just shouldn't happen.. ;)
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: kode on March 31, 2003, 01:20:36 am
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Dude, there's no way you can have a surge in just one room, unless you're monkeying with the electrical system at the time. For one thing, pretty much any place built since, say, the 20s has a fusebox...


fuses don't cut the power right away.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Stryke 9 on March 31, 2003, 01:34:39 am
They don't, but it's odd for it to be limited to one room anyway. And a millionth of a second generally isn't enough to bluesmoke a computer, since power spikes generally don't happen all at once, but kinda build up over a fraction of a second.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: J.F.K. on March 31, 2003, 05:12:13 am
I've never had any problem with power surges. Don't overload your powerpoints ;)
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Darkage on March 31, 2003, 05:31:07 am
Here in holland you can put a max of 3500 WATTS on a 16 AMP fuse per wall plug. That counts for each plug that is on the same group.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Nico on March 31, 2003, 05:51:00 am
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Originally posted by Whitelight
Your computer isn`t the only thing at risk, also your modem can suffer from spikes... My phone modem was fried by a lightening strike.. Also a cable modem can suffer the same fate... I`ve got a surge protector that protects against all the above, expensive, but it works to my advantage..

Oh, yeah, very important: your computer CAN get frioed because of power surges THROUGHT the modem cable. Saw a few comuters dead because the guy unplugged the PC during a storm, but didn't unplug the modem...
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: kode on March 31, 2003, 07:01:30 am
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Originally posted by Darkage
Here in holland you can put a max of 2200 WATTS on a 16 AMP fuse per wall plug. That counts for each plug that is on the same group.


what voltage do you have?
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Darkage on March 31, 2003, 07:04:15 am
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Originally posted by kode


what voltage do you have?



230 Volts.

But it's 3500Watts on 16AMPS and on 10AMPS its 2300watts
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on March 31, 2003, 07:20:34 am
You know those long bar adaptor things, with the multiple sockets? I have a six socket one of those with surge protection. Never had any trouble with power, except when my dad turned it off at that fuse box without telling me.
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: kode on March 31, 2003, 07:22:03 am
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Originally posted by Darkage



230 Volts.

But it's 3500Watts on 16AMPS and on 10AMPS its 2300watts


that sounds more believable...
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Carl on March 31, 2003, 11:19:54 am
watts and amps and volts, oh my!
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Vertigo1 on April 01, 2003, 12:50:00 am
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Originally posted by Carl
pfft. just unplug everything. better than spending 70 bucks.


But that won't save you from requent brownouts like I had with half the fuse panel went dead. (corrosion of the main powerline is wonderful isn't it?)
Title: Power Spike Protection and You...
Post by: Turnsky on April 01, 2003, 01:31:27 am
well, the only protection against lightning strikes is either common sense or insurance...