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Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 03, 2003, 10:40:13 pm
How the **** do you get a frame to go away when linking to another page within your domain? This one's pissing me off mightily, but I don't wanna delete it 'cos that'd be a whole other thing to deal with... there's no info on this anywhere, and until now I've pretty much avoided frames for all the other good reasons to avoid them.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 03, 2003, 10:43:06 pm
**** **** **** **** **** **** ****. **** it, cursing isn't nearly such good ****ign stress relief if it gets ****ing censored every ****ing time.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Bobboau on April 03, 2003, 10:56:30 pm
I beleve it's something like

{A HREF="something.htm" TARGET="_parent"}
or
{A HREF="something.htm" TARGET="_top"}

{=<
}=>
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 03, 2003, 11:09:00 pm
Hmm... nope, apparently not.
Title: Re: Death to frames!
Post by: ZylonBane on April 03, 2003, 11:27:51 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
there's no info on this anywhere
If by "this" you mean frames, then I must inform you that there are gobs of information on this subject all over the internet. There's--

www.authoring.html&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=comp.infosystems.[url)]comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html[/URL]
alt.html* (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=alt.html*&meta=)
IRT.org (http://www.irt.org/)
W3C - Frames (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/frames.html)

...and hundreds more if you care to search for them.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Kamikaze on April 03, 2003, 11:30:49 pm
So you want frames on some page but not for them to appear when linking? Then you do this:

http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/frames/frames_famsupp_31.html

{a href="targetsite" target="_top"}, has to be lowercase _top.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Bobboau on April 03, 2003, 11:56:13 pm
go to google, type in frames, html, and (if you havn't found it with that) _top
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Sandwich on April 04, 2003, 04:08:56 pm
Get this solved, Stryke?
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 04, 2003, 04:11:17 pm
At the moment, no. But at the moment I happen to be a long way away from my computer.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: an0n on April 04, 2003, 04:11:24 pm
Name the frames. Designate those names as the target in nav-bar links.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Windrunner on April 04, 2003, 04:28:57 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
**** **** **** **** **** **** ****. **** it, cursing isn't nearly such good ****ign stress relief if it gets ****ing censored every ****ing time.


yo stryke you better watch your tounge, you know well that its against the rules to curse. Its ok to to use the F word from time to time, but you are overdoing it and it rubbes it of to other members. So stop it know or else...
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Fetty on April 04, 2003, 04:38:51 pm
what if he was just writin g ? *'s ?
im mean what the ** is ** with ********
<= only writing *'s instead of letters :D
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 04, 2003, 07:46:54 pm
Windrunner: I'll stop when they take off the ****ing autocensor and not a moment before. I'm pissed.

Besides, I'd like to see "*" rub off on forumites.:rolleyes:



Fetty: Nope. Well, one, because I couldn't think of a proper curse to fit in that space.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Sandwich on April 05, 2003, 12:53:32 am
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Windrunner: I'll stop when they take off the ****ing autocensor and not a moment before. I'm pissed.


You can be pissed all you want, but there are guidelines 'round here. Or was Stealth not enough of an example?

Anyway, on the frame topic.... bring it back up when you are close to your computer.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 05, 2003, 01:11:33 am
Hmmm... Ya know, I had it right all along, I was just uploading the frameset instead of the page.

Dammit, I ain't NEVER gonna get used to frames!
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Sandwich on April 05, 2003, 01:17:30 am
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Hmmm... Ya know, I had it right all along, I was just uploading the frameset instead of the page.

Dammit, I ain't NEVER gonna get used to frames!


Do the world a favor and don't. I used to like frames as well, but I've come to the conclusion that the instances where frames should be used as about as common as the numbers of books you run into that have the table of contents printed out on a seperate page so you can reference it easily while reading. :rolleyes:
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 05, 2003, 01:19:41 am
Never seen that.

Anyway, I don't think there's any danger of my liking frames, either. They suck. particularly to code, and I'm increasingly not sure why I did this one in the first place. Ah hell, still easier to fix it than do the whole thing over again.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Sandwich on April 05, 2003, 02:06:44 am
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Never seen that.

Anyway, I don't think there's any danger of my liking frames, either. They suck. particularly to code, and I'm increasingly not sure why I did this one in the first place. Ah hell, still easier to fix it than do the whole thing over again.


Well, no - frames can be very effective in a few areas - main one is obviously keeping the site nav in view - a point of worry only on sites that tend to have numerous loooong pages (articles). Other sites just whimp out and use multiple pages for a single article... which is ok, too. :p

For an example of the use of frames with long articles, click on the hamburger of my avatar, and go to Freespace 2 > Notes > The Complete FS2 Ship List v1.2h.

The main problem with frames, though, is that you can't really link directly to a page on the site without losing the navigation - not without semi-complex java-script stuff.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 05, 2003, 02:09:50 am
Or just scroll back up. If you're using the navbar, you're obviously done reading and don't need to hold your place.

Besides, it's an exercise of that fun mousewheel, assuming you have the kinda mouse with lots of useless features.
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Sandwich on April 05, 2003, 02:32:37 am
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Or just scroll back up. If you're using the navbar, you're obviously done reading and don't need to hold your place.

Besides, it's an exercise of that fun mousewheel, assuming you have the kinda mouse with lots of useless features.


Or just hit the "home" key, yes, I know. But people can't be bothered to learn new stuff, and providing navigation controls regardless of how far you've scrolled is handy - in moderation. It's certainly a heck of a lot better than those DHTML/Javascripted floating menu systems that zoom down to wherever you've scrolled after a slight delay! :rolleyes:
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 05, 2003, 02:38:24 am
[makes note to put one of those in page next]

:D
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Kamikaze on April 05, 2003, 02:40:10 am
If only screwy IE supported more CSS features you could do "position: fixed;" and get a navbar to tag along with the scroll...

like on www.w3.org/style/css if you have Opera....
Title: Death to frames!
Post by: Sandwich on April 05, 2003, 02:44:14 am
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
[makes note to put one of those in page next]

:D


[makes note to..... uhm.... err..... do something nasty] :D

Quote
Originally posted by Kamikaze
like on www.w3.org/style/css if you have Opera....


...or Mozilla. :rolleyes: :D