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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: diamondgeezer on April 04, 2003, 05:40:44 pm

Title: Llama whippin' good!
Post by: diamondgeezer on April 04, 2003, 05:40:44 pm: Winamp 2.9 is out, with full video support! Aiiiiight!

*pokes Winamp 3 in the eye with a pointy stick*
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Post by: Unknown Target on April 04, 2003, 05:44:07 pm: Isn't winamp 3 better?
What's the dif between 2 and 3? Why are they still developing 2 when they have 3?
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Post by: diamondgeezer on April 04, 2003, 06:56:26 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Unknown Target
Isn't winamp 3 better?

No
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 04, 2003, 08:15:09 pm: Windows Media Player 9 is however ;)
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 04, 2003, 08:17:46 pm: w00t, finally I can get a proper, new winamp version.

BTW: 3 is prone to crashes, has bad compatibility even with itself (as in, older versions of "3") and is very slow
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Post by: Fetty on April 04, 2003, 08:26:55 pm: got winamp 2.7 + mediaplayer 6.4
why would i want to change that :D
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 04, 2003, 08:28:24 pm: cuz Media Player 9 is better than them both?

*uninstalls Winamp 2.9*
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 04, 2003, 09:17:28 pm: I like the new library feature on winamp, especially the internet radio/tv (though there's nothing good on TV... it's good in concept)
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 04, 2003, 09:21:57 pm: heh, WMP has had something that since version 7. It's funny how everyone hated it then but love it now its been copied and put in a non-MS product... :rolleyes:
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 04, 2003, 10:11:45 pm: well, shoutcast radio has been in winamp since a million years ago...

It's just easier now...
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Post by: Nuclear1 on April 04, 2003, 10:14:18 pm: Swwweeeeeeettttt........
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Post by: Fetty on April 04, 2003, 10:51:34 pm: i still hate windows media player 7+ :D
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 05, 2003, 12:19:10 am: Quote
Originally posted by Fetty
i still hate windows media player 7+ :D

Then you either:

1) Don't use Windows XP
2) Haven't used WMP9
or
3) Are a moron

;)
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Post by: Fetty on April 05, 2003, 12:20:42 am: 1)have xp
2)used it trashed it
3) possible
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Post by: Sandwich on April 05, 2003, 01:14:09 am: Quote
Originally posted by Admiral LSD
cuz Media Player 9 is better than them both?

*uninstalls Winamp 2.9*

*ker-SMACKETH*

Foo'! You jus' be encouragin' bloatware! ;)

Yeah, WMP9 is decent for what it aims to do, but IMHO it sacrifices far too much performance. If I want choppy video, I'll try to play a movie with a resolution of 1024x640. But when I play a 320x240 res video on a Celeron 500Mhz (2nd gen), I want my framerate!! :D

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Originally posted by Fetty
got winamp 2.7 + mediaplayer 6.4
why would i want to change that :D

Media Player 6.4 is what I have (actually quite nice and simple), but there's no reason not to upgrade your WinAmp to the latest 2.x version.
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 05, 2003, 01:36:32 am: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich
*ker-SMACKETH*

Foo'! You jus' be encouragin' bloatware! ;)

Yeah, WMP9 is decent for what it aims to do, but IMHO it sacrifices far too much performance. If I want choppy video, I'll try to play a movie with a resolution of 1024x640. But when I play a 320x240 res video on a Celeron 500Mhz (2nd gen), I want my framerate!! :D

Geez, something must be seriously wrong with your PC as my old Pentium II never had any trouble handling MP9 despite only having 128Mb RAM even when playing DivX's at full screen (MP8&9's fullscreen transport controls are the best of any player). It's integration with the OS (at least with XP but any sensible person doesn't run anything less anyway) is second to none (as you would expect), the WMP toolbar is much, much better than many similar solutions for Winamp. As for resource use, I did tests with both MP6.4 and either 8.1 or 9 and found that, when playing exactly the same movie, they used nearly identical amounts of CPU and RAM. Winamp has superior playlist capabilities but that wasn't enough for me to keep it on my system and it was uninstalled shortly after WMP9 was installed.
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Post by: Sandwich on April 05, 2003, 02:18:45 am: Ok, my WMP9 nitpicks are:

- No right-click vedio resize stuff
- Slow on a Celeron 500Mhz running Windows 2000 and 128Mb RAM.

Aside from those issues, which are ones I consider important, it does look quite nice. I liked the look that RealOne introduced, and WMP adopted that.
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 05, 2003, 02:31:55 am: WMP9's too bulky for me... for Video play I use Radlight and with that I could play any video file that I needed when WMP couldn't.

And WinXP sucks, it's shown to be upwards of 30 percent slower than 2k.
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Post by: Sandwich on April 05, 2003, 02:40:34 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kamikaze
And WinXP sucks, it's shown to be upwards of 30 percent slower than 2k.

*likes Kamikaze*

:p
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 05, 2003, 02:41:45 am: I'm not entirely sure if I should overjoyed or be scared now :p

.... :nervous:
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 05, 2003, 02:44:37 am: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich
- No right-click vedio resize stuff

When I right-click a movie in MP9 I see options for Full-Screen and a three factor (50%, 100% and 200%) zoom control. When I do the same in MP6.4 I see the same options, are you referring to something different?

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- Slow on a Celeron 500Mhz running Windows 2000 and 128Mb RAM.

As I said, under XP and with 128Mb RAM on my old Pentium II (which was a 400 running at 496) it wasn't slow at all.
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Post by: Sandwich on April 05, 2003, 02:47:37 am: Quote
Originally posted by Admiral LSD

When I right-click a movie in MP9 I see options for Full-Screen and a three factor (50%, 100% and 200%) zoom control. When I do the same in MP6.4 I see the same options, are you referring to something different?

Funny, that's exactly what I mean, yet I don't have those options. What ver are you using? I have 9.00.00.2980.

EDIT: Correction: I have those options in Full mode, but not in skin mode.
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 05, 2003, 02:51:51 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kamikaze
And WinXP sucks, it's shown to be upwards of 30 percent slower than 2k.

2000 is typical half-finished Microsoft garbage. Microsoft made what is possibly the worst mistake they could ever make in releasing it. It's not as bad as the mistake made in releasing 98 (2000 is NT based after all) but still pretty bad. A large proportion of what they promised was never fully implemented and half-heartedly covered up. It'd be like buying a car without stuff like a radio, air-conditioning, power steering and whatnot yet still being able to clearly see where they were supposed to go. If 2000 was anywhere near as good as it was supposed to be then Windows ME would never have been released, it never would have been necessary. XP is the OS Microsoft promised when they announced 2000 and the one they should have released instead even if it meant delaying the release of the product for another year. I'll never regret getting rid of 2000 and will never install it, or any of its variants, on any of my systems ever again.
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 05, 2003, 02:59:53 am: http://www2.idg.com.au/infoage1.nsf/all/735EB5E6A0D63032CA256B11001D517A?OpenDocument

I'll just stick to my nice unix-based systems... :p :D
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 05, 2003, 03:01:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich
EDIT: Correction: I have those options in Full mode, but not in skin mode.

Ah, I don't use skin mode, too much functionality is lost and I have to keep switching between full- and skin mode to get it back so it just isn't worth it.
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Post by: Fetty on April 05, 2003, 03:34:57 am: hokey tested
same movie codec : divx , full make it better options
mp8 (xp std player)
cpu usage 48-60
mp6.4
cpu usage 42-57
not much diffrence on a 450 pIII 256mb ram
büt
mp8/9 r way to bulky for me n skin mode sucks
but has movie control options in fullscreen
mp 6.4 slim no crapy extras i never use will use
no DRM builtin :rolleyes: im just dont like that the media player comunicates arround without my control
but no fullscreen control :(

btw sand i always upgrade my winamp when i reinstall my system :D
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Post by: Stunaep on April 05, 2003, 03:55:31 am: Two things I have always tried to keep out of my system:

Windows Media Player
RealPlayer
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on April 05, 2003, 10:02:17 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kamikaze
And WinXP sucks

:yes:

But I'm still using 98!
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Post by: diamondgeezer on April 05, 2003, 11:20:41 am: My personal record:

WinXP Pro - Three crashes in one year of use

Win98 - Half a dozen crashes in one evening of use

Do the maths :)
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Post by: Odyssey on April 05, 2003, 11:25:15 am: What if we like crashes? The risqué on-the-edge you-know-you're-using-a-microsoft-product syndrome. I like it ^_^ I see no real reason to upgrade from 98SE, it runs everything I need fine, crashes are usually related to me doing something that a normal user wouldn't dream of doing anyway :) Sure, I hate it, but only in the same way I hate any MS product.
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Post by: kode on April 05, 2003, 11:36:45 am: I didn't like the "video support" in wa3, since it violently took over all video playback, cuz I was to lazy to uncheck the microscopic box. the playback of it was also choppy. so I uninstalled that resource hog. I've got some version of winamp 2 now. I use it to play teh music.
winamp for music
wmp for other stuff
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Post by: Fetty on April 05, 2003, 03:48:22 pm: exactly :)
win98se for games
winxp for working stuff
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 05, 2003, 04:50:23 pm: I prefer a setup like this:

win98se to mainly play old games
win2k for general gaming + graphics
debian for actual work (now the work if mostly done on the laptop though)
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Post by: diamondgeezer on April 05, 2003, 05:05:28 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Fetty
exactly :)
win98se for games
winxp for working stuff

If you like. All of my games work on XP bar C&C Win95... but then you'd expect that :)

That said, even C&C Win95 will run perfectly on XP with a patch - the only problem is the patch disables LAN play for some reason. So now I've got a double boot purely for C&C's benefit :D
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Post by: Fetty on April 05, 2003, 05:12:57 pm: 98se is fater with my current hardware
if it shakes in xp it works on 98se in most cases
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Post by: Alikchi on April 05, 2003, 09:07:10 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Admiral LSD
Windows Media Player 9 is however ;)

*stab*
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 06, 2003, 12:35:54 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kamikaze
debian for actual work (now the work if mostly done on the laptop though)

At least your choice in Linux distros is decent ;)