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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Hippo on April 05, 2003, 09:12:19 pm
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the GTA had to take a while and discover the easiest way to put an intersystem subspace drive into a fighter. the vasudans had already done it. Isis. its smaller than a ulysseys, so the power system can't be much bigger, and yet it makes inter-system jumps.
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--Hippo
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Have a medal
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Ooh! Is it shiny? I want one!
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Now if only command would remember to use the node to earth from Alpha Centauri...
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The Earth side was proably collapsed when Luci went up like a roman candle...yeah, that's a suitable "don't ruin the sequel by correcting continuity errors from the first one answer".
Truth be told they could probalby make the trip from Alpha Centauri by using a series of subspace jumps. That would still be a long trip, jumping intra-system distances at a time like that.
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Originally posted by Liberator
That would still be a long trip, jumping intra-system distances at a time like that.
But wouldn't that be impossible too, I thought intra-system jumps had to be done within the gravitational influence of the system... and inter-system jumps use the nodes.
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It is assumed that Intersystem subspace nodes exist at the lagrange point(s) between a system's primary and the largest planets within the system.
However, because all the ships seem capable of prying their way into subspace without a node(at the end of every mission) we can assume that they are capable of jumping into subspace for su-interstellar travel without a node of any kind, unless the drives themselves carry some kind of micronode as part of the core or something.
I mean if a natural node was required to make the transition to subspace, there would be ships backed up dozens of kilometers to make use of them.
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Go back to the tech room, Lib. There are intra-system drives that only work within a system, and inter-system drives that require the use of a node. All ships have intra-system drives but, until the last missions of FS1, inter-system drives weren't able to be mounted on fighters.
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Originally posted by Liberator
I mean if a natural node was required to make the transition to subspace, there would be ships backed up dozens of kilometers to make use of them.
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Get moving you juggernaught
*yelling* hey you in the corvette! yeah, you, hurry up! i got a sun to destroy!
ooh! Toll Booths! charge by the passenger... a dollar each... ;7 :devil: :drevil:
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Hippo, have you only just discovered the spoiler tag or what? That's two pointless uses in one night...
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Now if only command would remember to use the node to earth from Alpha Centauri...
Yeah, but with command being incompetent about everything else, is this really a big suprise? ;)
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Now if only command would remember to use the node to earth from Alpha Centauri...
Or either Earth and/Or the GTVA would send few radio messages from Alpha Centauri to Earth, or Vice Versa. Even a simple "We're not Dead" would be a decent start, and it'd only take 4 yers to get there.
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But ALpH4 CeNturaI is teh \/4$uDaN SystuM!!11(http://www.the-rift.net/images/smilies/tard.gif)
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I belive that the size of the Isis is an error. To this end, I propose it be at least doubled.
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What about the basic terran transport (the one that`s shaped like a grey rectangular box)
That thing is not much larger (IMO) than the herc fighter and not an URSA, especially when you have to consider that most of the size inside is given over to carrying people and stuff...
A fighter is all engine and weaponry (tiny cockpit for 1 person)
Surely the engine space could have a subspace drive in it...
AHHHHH HANG ON.
One possible explanation (or way out).
A freighter does not travel very fast compared to fighters, nor does it have many weapons OR the ability to bank fast in a fight.
So, what if the "inertial drive) which is needed to allow fighters to bank so quicky interferes with the subspace drive of fighters but not freighters even if they are smaller.
The GTVA solving the puzzle of making a fighter jump inter could be down to solving the incompatibility of the drive systems.
(bombers have a problem due to the massive inertia drive required by them)
Anyone else, care to step up and come up with a T.B.S explanation?
;7
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Originally posted by hobnob1978
What about the basic terran transport (the one that`s shaped like a grey rectangular box)
That thing is not much larger (IMO) than the herc fighter and not an URSA,
I take it you mean the Elysium. The thing is actually quite large. Play that FS1 mission where you have to capture MacCarthy. If you disable the Isis (rasputin I thinks it called) you will see an Elysium dock with it, and you will be greatly shock by the size difference.
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Or either Earth and/Or the GTVA would send few radio messages from Alpha Centauri to Earth, or Vice Versa. Even a simple "We're not Dead" would be a decent start, and it'd only take 4 yers to get there.
This Earth communication issue has been brought up a couple of times around here; I personally think that the best explanation is that the GTVA has actually contacted Sol but either did not recieve any response at all or got some distressing news, and are not publicizing it to prevent public morale from suffering.
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Sounds about right.
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Well, we really don't know what happened in Sol when the Luci got destroyed in subspace. I may be completely wrong, but didn't the Lucifer come out of subspace as it was blowing up (based on the movies?) Couldn't it be possible that it undocked every fighter it had in its bays right before it went completely down?
Or, in destroying the Luci in subspace, maybe it caused some sort of rift or blast of some sort that took out the Earths atmosphere.
Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm........"
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Humanity needs something to unite it, and the same probably goes for the Vasudans. First, it was exploring subspace. Then it was the 14-year war. Then the Shivans, then the Reconstruction, and then the Shivans again. Now the Knossos-to-Sol project will unite humanity's efforts, and hopefully stop it falling apart and splintering like it so often does. If the human populations learned that Earth was fux0red, most people would think there was nothing left to strive for and eventually it'd all collapse. Until the next Shivan incursion, of course... but that's a Nightmare scenario ;7
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Or the Ancients come back and try to finish what the shivans started.
J3Vr6: The Lucifer was half-way out of the vortex when it exploded. The explosion severed the connection between that node and the other side.
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
J3Vr6: The Lucifer was half-way out of the vortex when it exploded. The explosion severed the connection between that node and the other side.
But what about the jump-nesses to other systems? Their nodes would be the other side of the Sol system.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
But what about the jump-nesses to other systems? Their nodes would be the other side of the Sol system.
They don`t exist okay? Even in FS1 they were a mistake cause [V] claim that Sol was cut off in FS1 itself not just in FS2.
Besides even if they did exist who says they wouldn`t all be next to each other like in Alpha Centuri?
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
J3Vr6: The Lucifer was half-way out of the vortex when it exploded. The explosion severed the connection between that node and the other side.
I didn't say anything to the contrary, Vertigo, and no part of my post was expressing that the node didn't collapse or to any lack of knowledge on my part concerning it, I've played FS1 (albeit a while ago) and FS2.
I was saying that since the Luci was halfway out of the node that it may have undocked as many fighters it could before succumbing to its death. That seems unlikely, but hey it's worth a shot.
The other comment was that since it collapse the node in a huge blast, that maybe the blast caused a shockwave that affected the planet (maybe take out communication satellites).
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It was too far away from Earth for the shockwave to have done anything. The allied fighters just BARELY made it out ahead of the Lucy. If the blast had been of THAT magnaturde, the fighters would've been atomized.
As for the fighters, they would've been caught in the collapse of the jump node and crushed even if they did make it out of the landing bay.
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Originally posted by karajorma
They don`t exist okay? Even in FS1 they were a mistake cause [V] claim that Sol was cut off in FS1 itself not just in FS2.
Besides even if they did exist who says they wouldn`t all be next to each other like in Alpha Centuri?
All the jumpnodes from earth are gone, but the shivans can rebuild them. I am told we can expect them again, but not in my lifetime. Such, is liberation.
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Don't you think The 1st Fleet would still have a big enough force to take down any amount of fighters the possibly alive lucy half could throw?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Don't you think The 1st Fleet would still have a big enough force to take down any amount of fighters the possibly alive lucy half could throw?
Especially with Alpha 1 the first with them for backup,.....
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Heh, the all-mighty Alpha 1!!! So, let's say we did have radio transmissions from Earth... What circumstances do you think they'd keep that from the rest of the GTVA, including military personnel? Sol system was the terran's anchor, so you would think that they'd release to everyone that they've been in contact with Earth/Sol system just to keep morale and hopes up... Unless something so bad had gone down in Sol to keep it from everyone else.
What do you guys think was so bad that they'd keep it from everyone? Civil unrest? At least with Earth, we've survived thousands of years on our own and don't think we'd crumble so quickly; we're pretty adaptive. Maybe other colonies getting stupid and attacking Earth? Possible... Do we know how many colonies there were in the Sol system besides Earth?
I can imagine that during the decades away from Sol that a lot of terran citizens of the GTVA would protest, complain massively and noticably, and generally be restless about getting contact to Earth. And I think people in that age would know it would only take a few years (maybe less if technology was that advanced) for a radio transmission to reach Sol. It would certainly be interesting to see a campaign about those times of Sol's uncertainty...
I'm sure they probably did contact Sol during those years, or at least lied to the populations that they did (just to calm them). I think it was one of those historical things that V didn't put into the game either because they didn't have time (like the developers of Mechwarrior 2, where they had this history database that was never finished because they ran out of time) or because they didn't think it was relevant to the actual game.
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Or its probably something that would've been explained properly in another sequel.
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How the hell did this thread reach two pages?
*throws half-brick at Hippo*
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it didn't.
change your post view to 50 per thread.
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the Global Terran Alliance colonized the entire solar system already...I believe :D
Edit: i know the GTA actually means Galactic terran Alliance.
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Originally posted by Vertigo1
It was too far away from Earth for the shockwave to have done anything. The allied fighters just BARELY made it out ahead of the Lucy. If the blast had been of THAT magnaturde, the fighters would've been atomized.
As for the fighters, they would've been caught in the collapse of the jump node and crushed even if they did make it out of the landing bay.
The front separated before it blew up, my guess is the real explosion occured with the part still inside the node.
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I wonder what happened to the vasudans that popped out after the luci blew? They'd be the only ones in a system filled with billions of humans. They would get choice pick of the headz though... :yes:
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Originally posted by tEAbAG
I wonder what happened to the vasudans that popped out after the luci blew? They'd be the only ones in a system filled with billions of humans. They would get choice pick of the headz though... :yes:
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