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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: JC128 on April 17, 2003, 06:29:47 pm
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Hey everyone, I have been playing Freespace and Freespace 2 since they came out but I have never touched the editor till a few days ago (shocking isnt it?)
Well I wanted to make a mission in which it was the player in the Shivans perspective. Is there a quick and painless way to fly the Shivan fighters as a player? Im aware there is a Mara listed under the terrans ship list but it doesn't carry Shivan weaponry.
Thanks,
JC
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The quickest and easiest way is to adjust your table files. You'll need to make the Shivan weapons player usable.
I'd do it myself, but I can't do attachments. :(
Download VPView from the HLP FreeSpace downloads page, extract the weapons.tbl from root.vp and adjust the Shivan Laser entries.
Don't play with the ships.tbl for the moment, although that will allow you to let players fly the other Shivan ships.
Anyway, once you've extracted the weapons.tbl replace the Shivan Light Laser entry with this:
$Name: Shivan Light Laser
+Title: XSTR("Shivan Light Laser", -1)
+Description:
XSTR(
"Standard Issue
Level 3 Hull Damage
Level 2 Shield Damage", -1)
$end_multi_text
+Tech Title: XSTR("Shivan Light Laser", -1)
+Tech Anim: Tech_Subach_HL-7
+Tech Description:
XSTR(
"The least powerful of the Shivan lasers.", -1)
$end_multi_text
$Model File: none ; laser1-1.pof
; The following fields (preceded by @) are only required for laser (the 3 ellipse
; thing) rendering, which requires that "Model File:" be none.
; These are the same values that used to be hard-coded:
@Laser Bitmap: laserglow01
@Laser Glow: 2_laserglow03
@Laser Color: 250, 30, 30
@Laser Color2: 250, 30, 30
@Laser Length: 7.0
@Laser Head Radius: 0.90
@Laser Tail Radius: 0.30
$Mass: 0.2
$Velocity: 450.0 ;; speed of the weapon (initially) -- may or may not change
$Fire Wait: 0.3 ;; in seconds
$Damage: 8
$Armor Factor: 1.0
$Shield Factor: 1.0
$Subsystem Factor: 1.0
$Lifetime: 2.0 ;; How long this thing lives
$Energy Consumed: 0.30 ;; Energy used when fired
$Cargo Size: 0.0 ;; Amount of space taken up in weapon cargo
$Homing: NO
$LaunchSnd: 100 ;; The sound it makes when fired
$ImpactSnd: 85 ;; The sound it makes when it hits something
$Flags: ("in tech database" "player allowed")
$Icon: iconSD4
$Anim: SD4
$Impact Explosion: none
That'll give you one of them at least! :D
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:confused:
i tried it like you said, extracted and edited the weapons table. Put it in the tables directory (cause it looked like a good place :lol: )
But I got nothing
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weapon has to have the "player allowed" tag to be used bt the player.
Just add that to weapons you wanna use.
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You seem to forget, that the Terran Mara doesn't have Shivan Light laser allowed as a primary bank. Find the Mara entries in the ships.tbl and add "Shivan Light Laser" or whatever to the "Allowed PBanks" list.
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And if you want to fly the other Shivan Ships, add "player-ship" to their flags.
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OK heres where im at with these stupid weapons, I set the weapon flags to user playable or whatever the term is. Im not looking at the code right now, I edited all shivan ships to flyable.
The only shivan weapon that is only the loadout screen is the Light Laser but no shivan vessels are accepting and combination of weapons Mega, Light, Heavy (i checked what they could carry and everything and loaded out what I wanted in FRED) still nothing..
Further thoughts?
JC The Confused One :confused:
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You've not enabled the Heavy and Mega lasers by the sound of it. :)
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Wasn't someone working on a Shivan mod? Where you are the shivan equivalent of alpha1 and you invade the GTVA? If so I 'd suggest you get with them. maybe they would let you beta test for them...
If not then I suggest starting your own mod. In anyevent good luck with that!
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all weapons have the 'player allowed' flag but the shivan ships wont use em, 'splain that :lol: and of course the shivan ships have them listed in the pbanks
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Check for spelling errors! :D
Other than that, it may be an error in the tables....
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Maybe V never wanted you to fly Shivan fighters, and it's coded that you can't?
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Maybe V never wanted you to fly Shivan fighters, and it's coded that you can't?
Nope...thats not it. You can fly Shivan fighters...TBP uses that for the Thunderbolt and the Frazi for instance.
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Flying them is the easy part, using shivan weapons.. Thats hard :nod:
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How so?
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How? the shivan ships refuse to use them :p
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Originally posted by JC128
How? the shivan ships refuse to use them :p
That doesn't make any sense...AI enemy ships will accept whatever loadout is assigned to them...permissions or no.
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im not talking about the AI. They use em no problem im talking about when i fly a shivan ship.
all weapons have the 'player allowed' flag but the shivan ships wont use em, shivan ships have them listed in the pbanks of course But still when a player flies a shivan ship they dont accept the shivan primaries. maybe im doing something wrong.
take a look
; ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$Name: Shivan Mega Laser
$Model File: none ; laser1-1.pof
@Laser Bitmap: laserglow01
@Laser Glow: 2_laserglow03
@Laser Color: 250, 30, 30
@Laser Color2: 250, 30, 30
@Laser Length: 15.0
@Laser Head Radius: 0.50
@Laser Tail Radius: 0.30
$Mass: 0.3
$Velocity: 400.0 ;; speed of the weapon (initially) -- may or may not change
$Fire Wait: 0.75 ;; in seconds
$Damage: 30
$Armor Factor: 1.0
$Shield Factor: 0.6
$Subsystem Factor: 1.0
$Lifetime: 1.5
$Energy Consumed: 0.90 ;; Energy used when fired
$Cargo Size: 0.0 ;; Amount of space taken up in weapon cargo
$Homing: NO
$LaunchSnd: 108 ;; The sound it makes when fired
$ImpactSnd: 85 ;; The sound it makes when it hits something
$Flags: ( "player allowed")
$Icon: icongun05
$Anim: LoadGun07
$Impact Explosion: none
; ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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When you say 'won't use them' are you talking about in-game or in the loadout screen?
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both, my wingmen have them but my primary banks are empty
heres a cut from the ship tables, just to prove the pbank has the weapon listed and is player allowed. :)
$Name: SF Aeshma
$Short name: SFight21
$Species: Shivan
+Tech Description:
XSTR(
"The SF Aeshma is a relatively rare, and only recently encountered, class of Shivan fighter. It appears to be a heavy attack fighter, like the Basilisk. With a low known top speed, Aeshmas seem to target slower-moving vessels, such as bombers, freighters, and gas miners. Their powerful lasers make them a danger to all such craft, so they must be engaged and destroyed as quickly as possible.", -1)
$end_multi_text
$POF file: fighter2s-01.pof
$Detail distance: (0, 80, 220, 900)
$ND: 247 2 2
$ND: 159 7 7
$ND: 204 5 5
$Show damage: YES
$Density: 1
$Damp: 0.2
$Rotdamp: 0.4
$Max Velocity: 17.0, 17.0, 68.0
$Rotation time: 3.3, 3.3, 3.7
$Rear Velocity: 20.0
$Forward accel: 3.0
$Forward decel: 1.5
$Slide accel: 2.0
$Slide decel: 2.0
$Expl inner rad: 33.0
$Expl outer rad: 66.0
$Expl damage: 20.0
$Expl blast: 1000.0
$Expl Propagates: NO ;; If set to Yes, then when the ship dies, the explosion propagates through it.
$Shockwave Speed: 0.0 ;; speed shockwave expands at, 0 means no shockwave
$Default PBanks: ( "Shivan Mega Laser" "Shivan Heavy Laser" )
$Default SBanks: ( "Trebuchet" )
$SBank Capacity: ( 80 )
$Shields: 850
$Shield Color: 255 92 92
$Power Output: 2.25
$Max Oclk Speed: 68.0
$Max Weapon Eng: 150.0
$Hitpoints: 125
$Flags: ( "fighter" "player_ship" )
$AI Class: Captain
$Afterburner: YES
+Aburn Max Vel: 0.0, 0.0, 110.0
+Aburn For accel: 0.7
+Aburn Fuel: 300.0
+Aburn Burn Rate: 50.0
+Aburn Rec Rate: 25.0
$Countermeasures: 20
$Scan time: 2000
$EngineSnd: 132 ;; Engine sound of ship
$Closeup_pos: 0.0, -2.0, -35
$Closeup_zoom: 0.5
$Shield_icon: shieldfs-01
$Score: 12
$Trail:
+Offset: 4.7 6.5 -5.9
+Start Width: 0.25
+End Width: 0.05
+Start Alpha: 1.0
+End Alpha: 0.0
+Max Life: 1.0
+Spew Time: 120
+Bitmap: Contrail01
$Trail:
+Offset: -4.7 6.5 -5.9
+Start Width: 0.25
+End Width: 0.05
+Start Alpha: 1.0
+End Alpha: 0.0
+Max Life: 1.0
+Spew Time: 120
+Bitmap: Contrail01
$Trail:
+Offset: 2.8 -6.3 -1.9
+Start Width: 0.25
+End Width: 0.05
+Start Alpha: 1.0
+End Alpha: 0.0
+Max Life: 1.0
+Spew Time: 120
+Bitmap: Contrail01
$Trail:
+Offset: -2.8 -6.3 -1.9
+Start Width: 0.25
+End Width: 0.05
+Start Alpha: 1.0
+End Alpha: 0.0
+Max Life: 1.0
+Spew Time: 120
+Bitmap: Contrail01
$Subsystem: sensors, 10,0.0
$Subsystem: communications, 10,0.0
$Subsystem: engine, 35,0.0
$Subsystem: weapons, 15,0.0
$Subsystem: navigation, 5,0.0
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Hmm.....I'm not sure why it's going wrong.
Either way, delete those spaces before "Shivan Mega Laser" so that there's only one.
You never know, by some bizarre fluke that might be the problem! :D
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Did you create a custom mission? Did you check in the team loadouts window to see if they were enabled.
If they are player allowed, it does not mean that they are automatically added to the list in FRED. You have to go in and do that yourself :D
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I have an identical problem with a custom weapon now
; Gauss Rifle
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$Name: @Gauss Rifle
+Title: XSTR("Gauss Rifle", -1)
+Description:
XSTR("Long-Range Projectile Weapon", -1)
$end_multi_text
+Tech Title: XSTR("GSS Gauss Rifle", -1)
+Tech Anim: Tech_GTW_ML-70
+Tech Description:
XSTR(
"", -1)
$end_multi_text
$Model File: none
@Laser Bitmap: laserglow01
@Laser Color: 0, 255, 54
@Laser Length: 0.0
@Laser Head Radius: 0.3
@Laser Tail Radius: 0.3
$Mass: 5.2
$Velocity: 200.0 ;; speed of the weapon (initially) -- may or may not change
$Fire Wait: 0.5 ;; in seconds
$Damage: 500
$Armor Factor: 1.0
$Shield Factor: 0.2
$Subsystem Factor: 0.0
$Lifetime: 4.0
$Energy Consumed: 0.30 ;; Energy used when fired
$Cargo Size: 0.0 ;; Amount of space taken up in weapon cargo
$Homing: NO
$LaunchSnd: 125 ;; The sound it makes when fired
$ImpactSnd: 88 ;; The sound it makes when it hits something
+Weapon Range: 100000 ;; Limit to range at which weapon will actively target object
$Flags: ( "in tech database" "player allowed" "beam")
$Icon: iconflail
$Anim: Flail2
$Impact Explosion: none
It shows up in the tech room, shows up in fred but not the loadout screen. I'll check what you said about telling fred to do a custom loadout screen. (and yes im aware that a gauss rifle isnt a beam weapon but it looks cooler that way) maybe i can solve all my weapon problems in one shot (pardon the pun)
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Try adding
$Allowed PBanks: ( "Shivan Mega Laser" "Shivan Heavy Laser" ) before the Default PBanks line. Do the same for the secondary banks.
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Well, I got all 3 shivan weapons into the loadout screen. They aren't in the tech database and it still wont let me load them onto any Shivan ships...
On the plus side I succesfully created my Gauss Rifle, put it in the tech database, loadout screen, used it in game.. Why I can't do that with shivan weapons is beyond me :wtf:
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I think Spicious has hit the nail on the head. If you look at any of the player flyable ships you`ll notice that is has an $allowed PBanks entry as well as the $Default PBanks.
You enter all the weapons you want the ship to be able to carry in the allowed section and the weapons that it will be carrying when you place a new ship in FRED go in the default section.
Since you only have the default section the game doesn`t know which weapons the ship is allowed so it won`t let you have the shivan ones.
BTW you might want to click on my FAQ and have a look at GE's VPView Tutorial. It should help you with any aspects of the weapons and ships table files you`re having trouble with.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I think Spicious has hit the nail on the head. If you look at any of the player flyable ships you`ll notice that is has an $allowed PBanks entry as well as the $Default PBanks.
You enter all the weapons you want the ship to be able to carry in the allowed section and the weapons that it will be carrying when you place a new ship in FRED go in the default section.
Since you only have the default section the game doesn`t know which weapons the ship is allowed so it won`t let you have the shivan ones.
BTW you might want to click on my FAQ and have a look at GE's VPView Tutorial. It should help you with any aspects of the weapons and ships table files you`re having trouble with.
:nod:
Yea I did what he said with the Allowed Pbanks made all the necessary entries and it didn't change anything.. Im stumped lol
But yea karajorma i'll check your faq and see if i missed something if you wanna take a look at the tables give me an e-mail and i'll cut the shivan ship & weapons section and send it to you and anyone who wants to double check :)
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Right, take the entry for a regular player ship like the Perseus. Change the name of the model to a Shivan fighter. Try flying it. Now edit other stuff like speed and what have you to suit the class. Sorted.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Right, take the entry for a regular player ship like the Perseus. Change the name of the model to a Shivan fighter. Try flying it. Now edit other stuff like speed and what have you to suit the class. Sorted.
Now there is an idea :nod:
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Thanks me with pie
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Originally posted by JC128
:nod:
Yea I did what he said with the Allowed Pbanks made all the necessary entries and it didn't change anything.. Im stumped lol
But yea karajorma i'll check your faq and see if i missed something if you wanna take a look at the tables give me an e-mail and i'll cut the shivan ship & weapons section and send it to you and anyone who wants to double check :)
I think DG had a good idea there. If you`re still having problems I`m not really the person to ask (I`m not a table moder. The table section was writen specially for the FAQ by GE).
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Originally posted by Spicious
Try adding$Allowed PBanks: ( "Shivan Mega Laser" "Shivan Heavy Laser" ) before the Default PBanks line. Do the same for the secondary banks. [/B]
Would you believe I missed that?:o:D
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its ok killfrenzy, i did too.. But im a noob to table editing so I have an excuse :lol: