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Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Labcoatguy on April 20, 2003, 12:35:01 pm
http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/merzo/
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Ulundel on April 20, 2003, 01:05:59 pm
(http://www.hot.ee/ulundel/stuff.jpg)

:p
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Post by: Sandwich on April 20, 2003, 01:13:20 pm
WAY cool site! :yes: :yes:
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Post by: Tiara on April 20, 2003, 01:15:21 pm
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/screens/Gigasnode.jpg)
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Post by: FreeTerran on April 20, 2003, 02:30:18 pm
:eek2: Whats this ? :eek2:
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Post by: LAM3O on April 20, 2003, 02:43:36 pm
If you are talking about the ship above Terran, it's the gigas from the campaign/project INFERNO.  And to think it's not the biggest ship, not even close.
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Riven on April 20, 2003, 02:51:39 pm
whats LEXX? cos thats one uber cool ship
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Post by: LAM3O on April 20, 2003, 02:53:23 pm
Lexx was on Sci-Fi, i never liked it, but that ship was a good design, even if it looks like a giant penis.
Title: not to start anything but
Post by: Star Dragon on April 20, 2003, 03:23:01 pm
It's just my opinion that most of those ships though technically the right size (all numbers match) in game are WAY TOO SMALL!!! Seriously, take the galactica for instance,  In order to hold all the fighter squadrons alone would have to be increased, not counting all the command staff and technicians, medical personel, and all other occupations... The problem with Most sci-fi ships is that the designers make awesome models, but realisticly they are why off on the scale of what they made... I really don't care what any boo or movie says, it's just my opinion... Hmm let me see if there is a aircraft carrier picture I can compare to the starships...
Title: Re: not to start anything but
Post by: Sandwich on April 20, 2003, 05:07:59 pm
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
Seriously, take the galactica for instance,  In order to hold all the fighter squadrons alone would have to be increased, not counting all the command staff and technicians, medical personel, and all other occupations...


Actually, the Galactica fighters were far smaller then their FS/FS2 counterparts - more on the scale of Star Wars fighters.
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Pera on April 20, 2003, 05:29:50 pm
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SHIP NAME/TYPE:  Warrior Bug
 
LENGTH:  4m (Body)
 
BUILDER/COMMENTS:  Klendathu Hive
 
SOURCE:  Starship Troopers
 
 
SHIP NAME/TYPE:  Warrior Bug
 
LENGTH:  4m (Body)
 
BUILDER/COMMENTS:  Volkswagen Hive
 
SOURCE:  1970



 
:lol:  :lol:
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: karajorma on April 20, 2003, 06:08:57 pm
Yeah. I noticed that site a few months back. It's pretty good :) I was surprised that the Sath was up there especially since I don`t remember seeing anything from any other space games.
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Post by: Blue Lion on April 20, 2003, 06:16:45 pm
Do we have level shot enabled here?
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Post by: Turnsky on April 20, 2003, 06:43:35 pm
SHIP NAME/TYPE:  Zentraedi Fulbtzs Berrentzs class Home Base
 
HEIGHT:  1400 km. This height is significant in that it reflects the length of the Japanese Isles.
 
BUILDER/COMMENTS:  Built by Zentraedi, under Supreme Commander Dolza. This is the version of the Zentraedi Mobile Command Base that appears in the television series.
 
SOURCE:  Robotech/Macross animated television series, image drawn by JR  

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Shrike on April 20, 2003, 06:55:59 pm
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Originally posted by Labcoatguy
For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Actually, it's not size that's important, but what you do with that size.

A Culture ROU could turn a Sathanas into any number of amusing shapes in the blink of an eye, but it's smaller than a Deimos.

It is a cool site though, I've poked around it before.
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Post by: Turnsky on April 20, 2003, 07:00:42 pm
like the macross, (sdf-1 for us westerners) for such a small and isolated ship it certainly took a bit of punishment, and delt it too...

and the Death star II was defeated by a X-wing and a certain highly modified corellian yt-1300 transport..
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Post by: diamondgeezer on April 20, 2003, 09:21:05 pm
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Originally posted by LAM3O
Lexx was on Sci-Fi, i never liked it, but that ship was a good design, even if it looks like a giant penis.

*shakes fist*

Lexx was the best thing to come out of Canada   *hides from Shrike*

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Diamond Geezer likes to bring things down to 'street level'
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Post by: Falcon X on April 20, 2003, 09:29:24 pm
That's your best?  Gee I guess we can't expect much from you canucks then.  :D
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Turnsky on April 20, 2003, 10:08:57 pm
i just noticed something, there's no farscape references in there.. or worse yet, where's Red Dwarf?;)
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Post by: Shrike on April 20, 2003, 10:10:06 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
*shakes fist*

Lexx was the best thing to come out of Canada   *hides from Shrike*
LEXX is practically softcore porn at times.  In space!  How can it not be good!

And the Lexx was a bug... not a giant penis.
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Turnsky on April 20, 2003, 10:12:02 pm
it resembles a giant wingless dragonfly to me..

([ot] shrike, i answered a long dormant question in the foxfire thread..[/ot])
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Post by: diamondgeezer on April 20, 2003, 10:13:10 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Carl
LEXX is teh space pr0n!!!!1
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Knight Templar on April 20, 2003, 11:24:08 pm
It has the Death Star II as 820 km in diameter with the entire original death star fitting in the superlaser diameter with room to spare :blah:
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Post by: Sandwich on April 21, 2003, 01:24:40 am
Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
It has the Death Star II as 820 km in diameter with the entire original death star fitting in the superlaser diameter with room to spare :blah:


Yer point?
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Turnsky on April 21, 2003, 01:37:58 am
i hate to pick holes in SW, but how long did the Death star II take to build? i mean it was obviously started after the battle of Yavin, but Damn they musta used a helluva lot of labor to get that thing up to spec in such a short period of time
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Pez on April 21, 2003, 02:31:03 am
Taken from Starwars.com:

Death Star: Height: 120 kilometers in diameter

Death Star II: Height: 160 kilometers in diameter

"Within three years of the Death Star's demise, the Galactic Empire again proved its evil nature with the construction of a second Death Star in a remote region of space"

I guess that Darth Vadar are good at "motivating" his men.
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Turnsky on April 21, 2003, 02:33:45 am
hmmm... i thought the Deathstar II was a little 'too big'
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: karajorma on April 21, 2003, 03:14:45 am
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Originally posted by Turnsky
i hate to pick holes in SW, but how long did the Death star II take to build? i mean it was obviously started after the battle of Yavin, but Damn they musta used a helluva lot of labor to get that thing up to spec in such a short period of time


More to the point why did it take them so long to build the first one? They show them having the specs for it in AotC!

As for Lexx it's got a really weird original storyline and naked girls. What more could you want?
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: J.F.K. on April 21, 2003, 05:11:56 am
Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
A Culture ROU could turn a Sathanas into any number of amusing shapes in the blink of an eye, but it's smaller than a Deimos.


Hey, the Culture! You read Banks? I've got a few of his books. One of my favourite writers. :yes:
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Nico on April 21, 2003, 07:22:46 am
Quote
Originally posted by Turnsky
SHIP NAME/TYPE:  Zentraedi Fulbtzs Berrentzs class Home Base
 
HEIGHT:  1400 km. This height is significant in that it reflects the length of the Japanese Isles.
 
BUILDER/COMMENTS:  Built by Zentraedi, under Supreme Commander Dolza. This is the version of the Zentraedi Mobile Command Base that appears in the television series.
 
SOURCE:  Robotech/Macross animated television series, image drawn by JR  

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:


yeah, but it's just a station ( a spacedock actually ), and it's completly hollow it seems. no super laser like the deathstar or anything.
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Post by: neo_hermes on April 21, 2003, 08:26:33 am
that station must have millions of those little laser turrets. i also  belive the station is hollow besides the thousands of ships that are docked inside. *i want one*
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Post by: Nico on April 21, 2003, 10:26:58 am
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Originally posted by neo_hermes
that station must have millions of those little laser turrets. i also  belive the station is hollow besides the thousands of ships that are docked inside. *i want one*


well, it's hollow coz we see inside it in the show.
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Post by: Nico on April 21, 2003, 10:42:13 am
damn, if you take a tanker and put it vertically against a building, the only ones that aren't smùaller ar the VC tower and the hongkong towers :eek2:
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Knight Templar on April 21, 2003, 11:27:36 am
Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich


Yer point?


That the DSII is at least 600 km in diameter off scale.
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: gevatter Lars on April 21, 2003, 11:52:37 am
Hey I just saw that the Super Star Destroyer is just 17,6km long...well the Kilrathi Dreadnought is about 22km long....so at last I can show my friend that the Kilrathi build bigger ships then the Empire ^___^
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Post by: Nico on April 21, 2003, 12:00:54 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar


That the DSII is at least 600 km in diameter off scale.

yeah, the DS2 is 160km wide I think.
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Sandwich on April 21, 2003, 01:33:40 pm
I  think he based his DS2 size off the horizon measurement that people did when the SSD Executor crashed into the DS2 hull - the curvature of the horizon (or lack thereof - I forget) made the supposed 160km diameter waaaay too small IIRC.
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Post by: Tar-Palantir on April 21, 2003, 02:08:04 pm
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i hate to pick holes in SW, but how long did the Death star II take to build? i mean it was obviously started after the battle of Yavin, but Damn they musta used a helluva lot of labor to get that thing up to spec in such a short period of time


Well, the Empire did have the resources of an entire galaxy to draw on.

Does anyone know why the hell Sanathanas is in the website?
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Post by: diamondgeezer on April 21, 2003, 02:22:59 pm
The Sathanas fair enough - check the p1mp the site gets at Slashdot, even they mention FS. But Why not the Colossus?
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Post by: Sandwich on April 21, 2003, 02:40:50 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
The Sathanas fair enough - check the p1mp the site gets at Slashdot, even they mention FS.


Linky (to article, not just slashdot)?

 
Quote
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
But Why not the Colossus?


Because people would point and laugh at the oversized phaser?
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Post by: beatspete on April 21, 2003, 03:05:37 pm
Excelent idea for a site, and well executed too :yes:  Now if only i can get the Sathanas to fire at the Titan AE ship... :drevil:
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Post by: Falcon X on April 21, 2003, 03:16:49 pm
I just love how the Vorlons planet killer is bigger than the SSD.  GO B5!
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Post by: Nico on April 21, 2003, 04:00:50 pm
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Originally posted by Tar-Palantir


Well, the Empire did have the resources of an entire galaxy to draw on.



they're pretty good, they managed to bring everything in the same system w/o anybody noticing :doubt:

Quote
Sandwich


 I think he based his DS2 size off the horizon measurement that people did when the SSD Executor crashed into the DS2 hull - the curvature of the horizon (or lack thereof - I forget) made the supposed 160km diameter waaaay too small IIRC.


which is pretty laughable when you know they used the exact same plan to calculate the size of the SSD. both screwed up :P
it's inconsistency in the movie, that's all.
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Post by: Knight Templar on April 21, 2003, 04:04:21 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich
I  think he based his DS2 size off the horizon measurement that people did when the SSD Executor crashed into the DS2 hull - the curvature of the horizon (or lack thereof - I forget) made the supposed 160km diameter waaaay too small IIRC.


Which makes it even more ****ed up to try and go by judging stuff 'to scale'. 17 km Exec. still pisses me off.
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Post by: Stealth on April 21, 2003, 04:25:58 pm
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Originally posted by Turnsky
but Damn they musta used a helluva lot of labor to get that thing up to spec in such a short period of time


hehehehehe.  not to break your bubble, but it is fiction you know... they can do extraordinary things when it comes to fiction:lol:
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Post by: Stryke 9 on April 21, 2003, 04:28:35 pm
RUN! THE FRAGGLES ARE STAMPEDING!
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Post by: Shrike on April 21, 2003, 04:38:47 pm
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Originally posted by J.F.K.
Hey, the Culture! You read Banks? I've got a few of his books. One of my favourite writers. :yes:
Yes, I've read every Culture book.  You missed my Culture phase last year. ;)

Quote
Originally posted by venom2506
which is pretty laughable when you know they used the exact same plan to calculate the size of the SSD. both screwed up :P
it's inconsistency in the movie, that's all.
Actually, no.  The simplest way of judging sizes is comparing the bridge towers.

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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Which makes it even more ****ed up to try and go by judging stuff 'to scale'. 17 km Exec. still pisses me off.
Eh, why?  Because the '11 time ISD' version fits the model?
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Post by: Nico on April 21, 2003, 05:32:07 pm
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Originally posted by Knight Templar


Which makes it even more ****ed up to try and go by judging stuff 'to scale'. 17 km Exec. still pisses me off.


well, it's the right size so live with it. it was writen down on some Lucasfilm cards given away in some movie convention.
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Post by: Stryke 9 on April 21, 2003, 05:33:52 pm
The right size is something like four feet long.
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Turnsky on April 21, 2003, 05:38:26 pm
i'm surprised they didn;t add a orion in there.. i mean, other than a sath, the orions have to be the most recoginisable ship in the FS series.

hmm, sath vs titan.... heh, on creates planets while the other (with all it's friends) completely obliterates the system
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Post by: Visionism on April 21, 2003, 05:57:55 pm
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Originally posted by Shrike
A Culture ROU could turn a Sathanas into any number of amusing shapes in the blink of an eye, but it's smaller than a Deimos.


And a GSV could probably swallow several of them whole. Heh..
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Post by: Sandwich on April 22, 2003, 01:05:28 am
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Originally posted by venom2506
which is pretty laughable when you know they used the exact same plan to calculate the size of the SSD. both screwed up :P
it's inconsistency in the movie, that's all.


Meaning what? The SSD is 11 times the ISD (11x1.6km=16km), a size which is born out by bridge size comparisons, as Shrike said, and other filmiometrical (I think I just invented a word) calculations.
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Post by: Nico on April 22, 2003, 02:07:23 am
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Originally posted by Sandwich


Meaning what? The SSD is 11 times the ISD (11x1.6km=16km), a size which is born out by bridge size comparisons, as Shrike said, and other filmiometrical (I think I just invented a word) calculations.


what? I said people used that plan to scale the SSD too. so that's stupid. and you don't need to explain all that to me, the ssd is a subject that comes often in the "Venom/Killmenow's Daily Argument" :p
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Post by: diamondgeezer on April 23, 2003, 02:42:20 am
Just had a thought - no Nostromo or Sulaco in there :blah:
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Falcon X on April 23, 2003, 03:15:20 am
Where's Space Ball One?
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Nico on April 23, 2003, 03:19:23 am
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Originally posted by Diamondgeezer
Just had a thought - no Nostromo or Sulaco in there :blah:


well, the only measurment we know about the nostromo is it's weight ( under earth gravity I suppose... ). No stats known to the sulacco, afaik ( but I admit I've never searched for it ).
still, there's a lot of ships missing in there ( the guy is obviously more a ST freak than a SW geek :p ) but that's quite some work you gotta admit :)
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Post by: Turnsky on April 23, 2003, 03:29:31 am
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Originally posted by Falcon X
Where's Space Ball One?


there's not even a starbug or red-dwarf in there either
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Nico on April 23, 2003, 03:32:01 am
hell, the red dwarf probably fits in the SSD size range...
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Post by: Turnsky on April 23, 2003, 03:37:57 am
yes, and has to be the biggest damn unarmedship i have ever seen....

by unarmed i mean by having no actual weapons of it's own, not the smegheads wielding enough weaponry (and stupidity) to vaporise a small planet
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: diamondgeezer on April 23, 2003, 03:38:29 am
The Dwarf was six miles long, and had its own metro system. While I'm here, somebody make a Starbug for FS2 when they've a spare five minutes...
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Nico on April 23, 2003, 03:43:39 am
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Originally posted by Turnsky
yes, and has to be the biggest damn unarmedship i have ever seen....

by unarmed i mean by having no actual weapons of it's own, not the smegheads wielding enough weaponry (and stupidity) to vaporise a small planet


hehehe, smeghead :D
I forgot about that :D
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Post by: Turnsky on April 23, 2003, 03:46:24 am
jeez, how long was it since you've seen red drawf, it's been a couple of year for me:(  (stupid ABC!:mad: -aussie version peeps )
Title: Sci fi ship scale comparison...For all your "Sathanas vs etc etc" needs
Post by: Nico on April 23, 2003, 03:47:52 am
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Originally posted by Turnsky
jeez, how long was it since you've seen red drawf, it's been a couple of year for me:(  (stupid ABC!:mad: -aussie version peeps )


same here, and I haven't seen them all :(

hehehe, smeghead sounds so much better than dr00fus, gonna use that now :D
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Post by: Turnsky on April 23, 2003, 03:50:50 am
here's a quick run-down of the Dwarf.. - from the official site..;)

(http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/deck03/images/reddwarf.jpg)

Following reconstruction by the nanobots, Red Dwarf reverted to its pre-cut-backs state, which included a quark-level matter/anti-matter generator and a karaoke bar. They also rebuilt the top secret prison facility on floor 13.

Transcribed from the original Red Dwarf JMC publicity video, hosted by Bing Baxter:
Owned by the Jupiter Mining Corporation and crewed by the Space Corps, Red Dwarf is fully five miles long - that's five miles long!

See this? This is the 'scoop,' it sucks hydrogen from the currents of space and converts it into fuel. But I don't need to blind you with science, this baby sells itself. Sure it has a small moon imbedded on its underside, but hey, it just adds character!

The ship also features a fully operational metro system - running both inside and outside the ship - and has the provisional power to generate one hologramatical human, right back from the dead!

This ship features a full compliment of accommodation for its 1,169 crew members - twin bunks or twin singles for the majority of the crew, and look at this - the captain's quarters features a double bed! Mmn, naughty...

Officers' quarters are naturally far superior to the technicians' - there's no need for the achievers to slum it! But we also have the very best in leisure facilities - bars, restaurants, night-clubs and cinemas. If it's a just snack you're after, try any one of these cheery dispensing machines, or drop in to the refectory any time!

As well as teaching and exam rooms for the officer looking to better himself, the well-stocked medical unit comes complete with quarantine facilities - perfect for those tricky contagious diseases! There's even an observation deck for those who want to get a little closer to space. Whoops - be careful near that Plexiglas!

The difficulties of travelling through deep space are amply provisioned as well - Red Dwarf features a main drive room, a scanning room, cargo and storage decks, diesel decks, a photo lab plus various docking bays and a network of supply pipes and ductways.

So what are you waiting for? This is the next generation of mining craft - get one in orbit today!
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Post by: karajorma on April 23, 2003, 04:22:04 am
As an aside I very recently got to watch the pilot for the american remake of Red Dwarf. It was actually surprisingly funny. Worth tracking down if you can find it.