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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: vyper on April 21, 2003, 07:37:32 am
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(http://www.geocities.com/lionrampant31uk/hazmat.txt)
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Now that's just... Unfair... :sigh:
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ROFLMFAO!
:lol:
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Nope, I'm pretty sure the PS2 version had girls in it.........
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I will wait until Tiara sees it, before commenting.
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I wonder what the critical mass is...
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...when tiara gets here
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I think she's probably pretty focued on getting me back for THIS (http://www.nodewar.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1004), so vyper should be okay for a little while.
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lol
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Originally posted by an0n
I think she's probably pretty focued on getting me back for THIS (http://www.nodewar.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1004), so vyper should be okay for a little while.
I could have lived so happily without knowing about that. :eek2:
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I remember reading a rule somewhere that said 'PMT is your problem, not his'
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:lol: :lol:
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What a good thing that girls aren't generally immature enough to do stupid things like this about men. That would sure destroy a few bloated egos, there would be a lot more to say about us than we can say about them, and it wouldn't just be the same old cliched crap that this is.
I don't know why people think this is funny. It's not like it's saying anything different to what guys usually say in effort to make themselves feel better about their sad little lives.
And no, I'm not a hypocrite, I'm willing to apply all this little rant to myself too :)
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Originally posted by Odyssey
What a good thing that girls aren't generally immature enough to do stupid things like this about men. That would sure destroy a few bloated egos, there would be a lot more to say about us than we can say about them, and it wouldn't just be the same old cliched crap that this is.
I don't know why people think this is funny. It's not like it's saying anything different to what guys usually say in effort to make themselves feel better about their sad little lives.
And no, I'm not a hypocrite, I'm willing to apply all this little rant to myself too :)
:wtf: :blah: gee of little humour.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
:wtf: :blah: gee of little humour.
I laughed the first time I heard jokes like this. The second, meh... etc. etc.
By now? It's just, well, the same joke a few hundred times. Like the jokes stereotypical dads tell. Ain't funny.
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Quite often these things are done in pairs, with the joke applied first to one sex and then the other. For instance the 'how to shower like a man/woman' thing, or the 'rules for men/women' - both of which have been posted on HLP in the past. Both of these I printed off and stuck up in our halls last year. IIRC, men and women laughed at the jokes, which ever sex they were aimed at, on the 'it's funny because it's true' basis :nod:
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Quite often these things are done in pairs, with the joke applied first to one sex and then the other. For instance the 'how to shower like a man/woman' thing, or the 'rules for men/women' - both of which have been posted on HLP in the past. Both of these I printed off and stuck up in our halls last year. IIRC, men and women laughed at the jokes, which ever sex they were aimed at, on the 'it's funny because it's true' basis :nod:
'Quite often', a lot of stuff happens. My comments aren't meant as pure fact, because people will never fit into specific groups. I'm simply taking the other side of a generalisation. That side being that men are much quicker to degrade women than women are to men.
As for 'it's funny because it's true', how much of that image is pure fact? And how much is BS that only applies to a few 'specimens'?
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Originally posted by Odyssey
'Quite often', a lot of stuff happens.
Solid temporal physics there. By any chance do you read Discworld?
My comments aren't meant as pure fact
Neither is the thing at the top of the page
I'm simply taking the other side of a generalisation.
I can respect that - since there are no women here you're taking up the other side of the argument. I do the same thing myself, especially when that side is losing badly - I like the challenge :)
That side being that men are much quicker to degrade women than women are to men.
When women get together and drink they 'degrade' men, just like we do to them. It's what the sexes when they're away from each other. It might be best to accept it rather than fight it :nod:
As for 'it's funny because it's true', how much of that image is pure fact?[/b]
I've gone through it again just for you, and I can safely say all of it, whether you or the women you represent agree with it or not.
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I'm sure I read a version of this on a BBS about 15 years ago. Ah, here it is (http://www.textfiles.com/humor/female.jok).
Oh yeah, and get off my lawn!
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I will wait until Tiara sees it, before commenting.
...when tiara gets here
... ok yeah whatever ... :blah: I'm not even bothering with you guys anymore... Hopelessness is a mens top feature. :p
I think she's probably pretty focued on getting me back for THIS, so vyper should be okay for a little while.
I KNEW it was you who posted it.
*kicks the crap out of an0n*
*again*
*and again*
*walks away*
*comes back*
*kicks the crap out of an0n again just for fun*
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Nope, never read discworld.
I never said that women didn't degrade men, I merely said that men do the adverse more often. Which is true. I would never think of believing that women were perfect and would never do something like that - I agree with you in that complaining is what the (majority of the) two seperate genders do, and I'm not going to dispute the fact. But at least most women don't go around blatantly toting their opinions - that's a trait of a lot of men.
All of the image is true. Sometimes. Anything is true. Sometimes. But most of the time, a lot of it isn't. That's the case here.
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Originally posted by Odyssey
Nope, never read discworld.
I never said that women didn't degrade men, I merely said that men do the adverse more often. Which is true. I would never think of believing that women were perfect and would never do something like that - I agree with you in that complaining is what the (majority of the) two seperate genders do, and I'm not going to dispute the fact. But at least most women don't go around blatantly toting their opinions - that's a trait of a lot of men.
All of the image is true. Sometimes. Anything is true. Sometimes. But most of the time, a lot of it isn't. That's the case here.
Ow... you are SO wrong ;7
[mumble]Stupid three-legged, unable to cook dinner for themselves, unknowing how to take a shower-men[/mumble]
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Originally posted by Odyssey
But at least most women don't go around blatantly toting their opinions - that's a trait of a lot of men.
There's a bit of that, granted. But there's also the fact that things like this are usually circulated on the internet, which I would guess has a larger male population that female - for example, the last time I checked Tiara was outnumbered nearly 500 to one please don't smack me Tiara and while HLP does not represent the internet as a whole, well, you see what I mean yesno.
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Originally posted by Tiara
Ow... you are SO wrong ;7
[mumble]Stupid three-legged, unable to cook dinner for themselves, unknowing how to take a shower-men[/mumble]
Here we have an example of an unconventional female. Hi. :p
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
There's a bit of that, granted. But there's also the fact that things like this are usually circulated on the internet, which I would guess has a larger male population that female - for example, the last time I checked Tiara was outnumbered nearly 500 to one please don't smack me Tiara and while HLP does not represent the internet as a whole, well, you see what I mean yesno.
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Diamond Geezer has a liking for Indian food
By trait of males, I meant generally. Everywhere, anywhere. Not just in matters like this, but in most stuff that an opinion can be put to. Males will generally try harder to get their opinion noticed. Something to do with gender personality...
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Originally posted by Odyssey
Here we have an example of an unconventional female. Hi. :p
And I'm proud of that!
Last thing I want to be is normal, average, etc... :doubt:
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Originally posted by Tiara
And I'm proud of that!
Last thing I want to be is normal, average, etc... :doubt:
And good for you. Although the inbuilt fascination for guns does not bode well for anyone of any sex...
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You're really getting a lot of things off your chest today, aren't you? Alright, I'll bet you twenty units of unspecified currency that Tiara, obsessed with guns as she may be, lives her whole life without ever shooting dead another human being. Well, maybe an0n, but that doesn't count.
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An obsession for anything at all is bad :p But especially guns, at least in the UK (yes, I know Tiara isn't in the UK, but I'm just saying), because the laws here are being tightened so much I wouldn't be surprised if I got arrested in 10 years time for even looking at a picture of one.
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Over the last four years I've collected half a dozen airguns that look like the real thing at arm's length. I've also never been arrested.
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Diamond Geezer never chews gum
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Odyssey I`ve just got to ask you, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON!
Seriously women are just as bad as men about denigrating the other sex. If they weren`t they wouldn`t call it the "Battle of the Sexes" cause men would have already won it.
Have you really never heard a women say "Men, they're all bastards" or anything of the sort.
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Over the last 4 years, stuff wasn't happening. Honestly, plastic guns have to be painted bright pretty colours now so that they don't look like real guns - so police officers won't give a damn about brightly coloured guns. Oh good say terrorists, terrorists paint their guns pink.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Odyssey I`ve just got to ask you, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON!
Seriously women are just as bad as men about denigrating the other sex. If they weren`t they wouldn`t call it the "Battle of the Sexes" cause men would have already won it.
Have you really never heard a women say "Men, they're all bastards" or anything of the sort.
Please read my posts more carefully. I explicitly said that 'I never said that women didn't degrade men'... And what makes you think that just because only one side is fighting means that the side is winning?
EDIT: oh, and yeah, I live on Earth. Howdy.
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This got dull pretty fast..
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Originally posted by Odyssey
Over the last 4 years, stuff wasn't happening.
Now, see, that's not sounds temporal physics. I can think of at least five or six things that happened over the last four years.
Now, about brightly coloured plastic guns...
(http://rivendell.tky.hut.fi/ilendil/airsoft/MP5K_c.gif)
Wanna guess if it's real or not?
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Did I get "obsessed" by guns without anyone telling me? :blah:
Why are people drawing conclusions about a person just by looking at their posts? Kinda impossible :p
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Fake.
I don't think the real one has the bright letters on the side.
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Something tells me Odyssey's never been the only guy in a car with four women on a three-hour-long road trip. In other words, shut up, junior. Both sides are a sexist as can be, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that so long as they mostly don't bother each other. However, I will note that many women leap at the opportunity to be pretty damn vicious to a guy when they've got strength in numbers and he's too tired to fight back (see reference to long, long road trip).
Though I suspect most guys, at least at my age, hold off mainly because they want to get in said womens' pants. Which is pretty lame, considering that last I checked nobody I know lives in a porn movie, and women don't routinely hand out sexual favors for not being insulted.
EDIT: Tiara? You're not obsessed by guns? Why the hell not?
[goes to baby-talk to his coilgun]
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Fake.
I don't think the real one has the bright letters on the side.
w00t, I was waiting for someone to say that :D
You're quite right, it is a fake. But here's one from the H&K website:
(http://www.heckler-koch.de/html/english/behoerden/02_submachineguns/02_images/02_08_weapon_01.jpg)
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Diamondgeezer, is that one made recently (i.e. since a few months ago) in the UK?
And Stryke, thanks for being an excellent example of what I was saying about opinionism. Thankyou for giving a reasonable argument, and I'll accept that under certain circumstances **** happens. But there was no need to judge me by age, or indeed tell me to shut up.
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Judge you by age?
Gotta love the Internet. Thousands of people, billions of pages of text, minimal rhetorical literacy.
By the way, love the new title. Whose job was that 'un?
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Originally posted by Odyssey
Diamondgeezer, is that one made recently (i.e. since a few months ago) in the UK?
First, which one? Second, I have no idea, but you can go a to a gun shop in the UK and buy a plain black or silver airgun. They only need the coloured bits on them if they're being posted. [EDIT] Here's a link (http://www.stringtownsupplies.co.uk/pi922088765.htm?categoryId=0). Enjoy.
But there was no need to judge me by age, or indeed tell me to shut up.
I think what he meant was that in a few more years you'll be in a better position to judge such matters. Having said that, he may have just wanted you to shut up *shrugs*
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Maybe I misheard and it's just one of those things that the government will bring in 'some time in the future'. Oh well. It's pretty stupid though, whenever it's going to be enforced.
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So you were wrong about the gun thing - is it then possible you were wrong about the woman thing?
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Diamond Geezer has Super Mario World skin for Winamp
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
So you were wrong about the gun thing - is it then possible you were wrong about the woman thing?
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Diamond Geezer has Super Mario World skin for Winamp
It is impossible to be wrong (or, for that matter, right) in a subject involving generalisations.
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All methane gases are toxic.
All fire is hot.
All matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
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OK, I'm giving up there cos this is rapidly turning in to really bad amateur philosphy. Nice defense though, I'll have to try it on ZB one day.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
All methane gases are toxic.
As far as we know
All fire is hot.
'Hot' is an expression of sense. Maybe the sense of heat would be different to an organism living in fire?
All matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
As far as we know
Well... Bah. I'll amend my argument: "It is very, very difficult to be proven right or wrong in an argument regarding generalisations of social behaviours in living organisms".
"All generalisations are false" (god-damn paradoxes)
EDIT: Now with more cheesy counter-arguments (tm)
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So back to men and women then: from observation of my friends I have determined that there is only one real difference between men and women - If I pass wind (as they say in polite society), women look offended while men give a score out of ten
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
So back to men and women then: from observation of my friends I have determined that there is only one real difference between men and women - If I pass wind (as they say in polite society), women look offended while men give a score out of ten
I've never given and/or recieved a score out of 10 for a fart... :p
So you don't count physical characteristics as differences?
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Originally posted by Odyssey
I've never given and/or recieved a score out of 10 for a fart... :p
Try living in a student gaff
So you don't count physical characteristics as differences?
Look deeper. See past the tits.
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Well, there are no absolute rights or wrongs. You can't say "ALL women/men are sexist", naturally. But what you CAN do is identify traits of the statistical majority. You're far more likely to find a woman with a bone to pick with those damn pigs- or a guy who likes to occasionally make fun of those lousy broads- than you are to find one who doesn't mind the other sex at all, or respects them entirely. It's a societal thing, and hence a self-sustaining trend. Never mind that bigotry and discrimination are pretty much normal states for people, since we evidently gotta build up our egos by comparing ourselves to others. Anywhere you go, you're gonna find people who dislike other people, think they're weak/stupid/jerks/whatever, based largely on how they were born and what they believe in. The crowning problem of modern society is our failure to recognize this and deal with it, rather than stick our heads in the sand about it.
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Men can have tits too... If they're really fat'n'all that. But anyway, there are still plenty of other physical differences that have to be taken into account ^_^
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You're hard work, you are
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Look deeper. See past the tits.
I choose not to.
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Well at least take a moment to admire the arse as well :nod:
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Well, there are no absolute rights or wrongs. You can't say "ALL women/men are sexist", naturally. But what you CAN do is identify traits of the statistical majority. You're far more likely to find a woman with a bone to pick with those damn pigs- or a guy who likes to occasionally make fun of those lousy broads- than you are to find one who doesn't mind the other sex at all, or respects them entirely. It's a societal thing, and hence a self-sustaining trend. Never mind that bigotry and discrimination are pretty much normal states for people, since we evidently gotta build up our egos by comparing ourselves to others. Anywhere you go, you're gonna find people who dislike other people, think they're weak/stupid/jerks/whatever, based largely on how they were born and what they believe in. The crowning problem of modern society is our failure to recognize this and deal with it, rather than stick our heads in the sand about it.
Nicely put. It could also be noted that females often insult males primarily for the purpose of seeing the reaction. Males often insult females to both see the reaction, and have the reaction better their imaginary sense of how high up in the pecking order they are.
And in relation to the rest of your post, it's not just a crowning problem of modern society, it's a crowning problem of any human society, and, I'd be willing to bet, a lot of other sentient societies as well.
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Not really. Most societies before this one were insular and monochrome enough that they were perfectly fine with it. There's no problem with, say, racism, if all the blacks, asians, whatever, aren't in your society, and thus of secondary interest at best. Globalization kills the local mind.
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No problem with racism, sure, but certain birth abnormalities and suchlike would render certain people 'different', within one race. i.e. Siamese twins, only 4 fingers to a hand, left handedness, stuff like that
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Only a problem for those people. The rest of society had great fun making them live in the gutters, throwing stuff at them, burning them as witches, etc.
Nowadays we're so neurotic we do that ****, and then want to make sure we haven't hurt their feelings.
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Only a problem for the individual and the discerning onlooker. And the rest of the society could still have been possibly doing it to 'big up themselves' (e.g. "look at me, I'm what society defines as normal!").
I doubt soldiers who shot at iraqis cared about their target's feelings.
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That's harsh and most unfair. Granted, the US likes their soldiers to be fairly brainwashed, but do really think a soldier feels nothing for the lives he takes?
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At the time, he'd better not, or he's a damn poor soldier and dead to boot. If he gets some kinda guilt complex later... well, fine, it's his own damn fault, but at least he was a functional soldier.
You can't go around on a battlefield sympathizing with the guy you're evicting from some bunker with a 20mm round. If you did, you wouldn't be shooting him, duh.
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Professionalism and training overcome emotion, that's the whole point. And if a bunch of guys are shooting at me I'm damn well going to chuck a grenade in to their fox hole. But I don't believe a sane person could shoot another person dead and feel nothing, even a trained soldier.
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I'm pretty certain that at least some of the soldiers won't give a damn. Probably the same sort that think iraqis aren't people.
EDIT: These people would probably feel something after they shot... "Yay, I got 'un!"
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A soldier like that would make me ashamed of our armed forces. And I'm saying that as someone planning on joining up.
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DG: I'm sure when you're ducking bullets and trying to find something to hide behind, in the adrenaline rush of full combat, you feel full compassion for the guys you're picking off and are just wracked with guilt and thinking only about the families that will be getting their fathers and sons home in body bags. Uh-huh. But even if that's true, you're the only one, and there's a reason you haven't been recruited then.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Look deeper. See past the tits.
So, should I, like, move them aside or something? :D
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
So, should I, like, move them aside or something? :D
I think he's an arse man. They worry me.
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Stryke: oh hell no, when I'm up in my X-35 duking it out with the bad guys then it's him or me. Either I kill him or he kills me, that's the whole idea. But I'm not going home to my family and saying 'guess how many A-rabs I shot down today'
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
So, should I, like, move them aside or something? :D
He's probably talking about one of those funky newfangled x-ray thingummybobbies... :p
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DG: Then for ****'s sake, what the hell you joining the Army for, boy? Gonna kill people, and come back home with a syndrome, to boot.
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Dude, I'm not signing for the sake of killing people. It's part of the job but it's not the reason I'm applying.
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What is the reason you're applying, then? I see no other point to the army...
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If he says some vaunted thing about patriotism or somethin', I swear...
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
A soldier like that would make me ashamed of our armed forces. And I'm saying that as someone planning on joining up.
Read Remarque. "No changes on the Western Front" (loose translation) is an excellent bok.
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It's All Quiet on the Western Front here. Great book, yeah.
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You think people join up because the want to kill people and not get arrested? Bloody hell.
I'm applying for the Navy because:
1. I like aircraft
2. Women like the uniform
3. Making officer is a damn worthwhile goal in life
It ain't patriotism - hell, I'll have to swear by God to protect the Queen and I don't like either of them very much. I'm doing it for me. I want to fly fast jets for a living, and joining up is what it takes.
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So get a job on Northwest or something. You really imagining that you're gonna avoid active duty nowadays?
Personally, I find someone who joins the combat branch of the military without the intent to fight at all somewhat contemptible, anyway. I mean, really. Idealism is one thing, that's quite another.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
1. I like aircraft
Get a private pilot's license then... I like flying, and that's the course I'm planning to take.
2. Women like the uniform
If you say so
3. Making officer is a damn worthwhile goal in life
Why? Since when? It just shows that you're passed on less propaganda than privates get
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Stryke: What the hell? I already said the 'him or me' bit. I want to be a combat pilot. My point is I'm not going to be proud of the lives I've taken. Sure, I'd be proud if I shot down a MiG and saved three thousand pepole on my carrier, but I'd be proud of the lives I'd saved.
Odysey: Do you have any idea what an officer cadet has to go through? You like aircraft, you say. Well, when you qualify on a Cessna Skyhawk and I qualify on an FA2, then we'll meet up and have a race,
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So... you don't like killing, but you're willing, even volunteering, to kill people.
No comment.
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OK, you want an analogy... does a cop join the force beacuse he wants to ride around shooting people, or to try to improve lives in his area.
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This thread needs more beer. No wait, I need more beer. Always getting those two confused.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
You think people join up because the want to kill people and not get arrested? Bloody hell.
I'm applying for the Navy because:
1. I like aircraft
2. Women like the uniform
3. Making officer is a damn worthwhile goal in life
It ain't patriotism - hell, I'll have to swear by God to protect the Queen and I don't like either of them very much. I'm doing it for me. I want to fly fast jets for a living, and joining up is what it takes.
Hell, I'm joining the navy, too (United States, not UK).
1) I love aircraft (you'd be surprised, apparantly, every time we went on a plane when I was in the womb, I would kick and move about).
2)Meh. I think it provides a better story than:
"So, what do you do for a living?"
"Oh, I'm a fat-ass slob who writes PC games for a living."
"Right. I'll call you sometime"
3) Screw that! I don't want to be anything higher than a LT if that means I have to stop flying.
Anyways, I'd swear allegiance to the God and to my country (not the president, BTW).
Sorry if that went off-topic, but why the hell are you bashing DG for his future career choice? Hell, if I want to join up, bash me, too. I'm joining to have more excitement than flying an airline.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
OK, you want an analogy... does a cop join the force beacuse he wants to ride around shooting people, or to try to improve lives in his area.
He joins because he's going to be getting paid for doing stuff. Possibly killing a few people. He doesn't mind, so long as he gets paid.
EDIT: Don't make me crack open the YMCA gay navy 'jokes'... :shaking:
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
2)Meh. I think it provides a better story than:
"So, what do you do for a living?"
"Oh, I'm a fat-ass slob who writes PC games for a living."
"Right. I'll call you sometime"
Hehe, I wasn't going to say it myself in case I upset any HLP denizens, but it's true. And you're also right about stoppping at lieutenant. S'all about the flying :nod:
Let me know when you get your Hornet, we'll go dogfight :D
Originally posted by Odyssey
He joins because he's going to be getting paid for doing stuff. Possibly killing a few people. He doesn't mind, so long as he gets paid.
Go and find a cop and say that. Then come back and tell us if he agreed.
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Now that's pretty damn pessimistic. Even for me.
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DG: Actually, most of the cops in my area are redneck crackers who powertrip endlessly, shoot people for DWB offenses (at a rate of about one a week), menace anyone they can find to an extent that would be illegal for any non-cop, and pull all manner of dirty tricks that basically amount to entrapment so that they can bother people. To the point where they hardly ever arrest anyone for an actual crime, and murder, robbery, and drug dealing are actually pretty safe career choices. Baaad analogy.
Besides which, the basic job synopsis for a cop isn't "killing people". It's mostly "handing out tickets and arresting criminals". Contrast with the Army, whose pretty much sole job is to kill people, and they're damn proud of it.
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I hate you all so much.
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Yeah, I was going to tell you not to bother with references to cops round your way, for some reason I thought better of it. I mean, in a place where the 'he needed killin' defence is valid, the cops are gonna be pretty much out of control.
I stand by my analogy. You've just got a bad lot of cops round about you.
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And we hate you, too.
Damn, uh, this thread got REALLY off-track.
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People who write PC-games for a living are not necessarily fat slobs. I know some real party-animal code monkeys...
Originally posted by an0n
I hate you all so much.
How cute.
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That was a steroitype. I was just exaggerating to make a point.
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Oh, really? 'Cos I haven't been in many places where things are better. You ever hear of the blockades in Santa Fe? How about those corrupt assholes in NYC? Or maybe you prefer the New Jersey ones, who are famous for pulling over attractive women and forcing them to strip or get a hefty ticket?
Or are you more into the Midwest ****ers who pull over and beat just about any black guy that they find passing through? Maybe in England they're all right, but in this country cops are any asshole who wants immunity for his crimes.
They're slighly better than the ones in the southern part of the Southwest, though. Those guys picked up the whole "Mafia in uniform" thing from the Mexicans- think drug dealers with police shotguns and nasty tempers.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
That was a steroitype. I was just exaggerating to make a point.
Exaggerating to make a point is a really, really poor argument... Especially since it can be so easily reversed.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Maybe in England they're all right, but in this country cops are any asshole who wants immunity for his crimes.
Wow. Sucks to be you, huh?
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Beh. They're also stupid, so it's easy to stay out of their way if you know how. Feel sorry for all the law-abiding citizens who don't have any real experience in avoiding angry porkers.
Anyway. Care to try that one again?
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What one?
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Trying to explain the whole "Well, I don't like killing people, but I guess I'm gonna go get a job killing people anyway" thing. Strikes me as awfully similar to the executioner's stance.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Trying to explain the whole "Well, I don't like killing people, but I guess I'm gonna go get a job killing people anyway" thing. Strikes me as awfully similar to the executioner's stance.
Probably because soldiers are executioners - they get told to kill people, they kill people.
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Er... what?
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The executioner you are referring to must not be the medieval axe-wielders I thought you were referring to... Right?
Edit: aiyiyie! 5 pages already... 4 of which are completely OT :shaking:
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Okay, how about this - you have a dream job testing computer games and pies, in a penthouse office with a 19 year-old blonde secretary. But it's a two hour drive to work, meaning you have to get up at six in the morning and sit in a traffic jam. You don't like it, you don't sing about it, but you sure as hell do whay you gotta do to keep that job.
K, it's not the same as blowing a guy out of the sky, but the priciple's the same. Just scale it up.
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Scaling it up would involve many more secretaries... I'm not sure if that would be so healthy...
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It's an old joke on the whole "I'm only doing my job" thing, part of it runs "Well, I don't necessarily support the death penalty, but a living is a living, right?"
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DG: Wrong. That's a side issue, not the job itself.
Okay, you're an animal rights activist. You get a job with decent pay and good perks at a slaughterhouse. THAT'S a working analogy. The "killing people" bit isn't an unfortunate side disadvantage, it's the job itself.
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Taking your first life is hard. The second is harder. After that... you start to forget what made it hard in the first place
I'm gonna go up there, and either I get shot down or I shoot the other guy down. When I make it back, we'll see whether or not I'm in a fit state to carry on going up there. I don't think, Stryke, that you can predict how I'll react to what happens, and more than I can.
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Originally posted by an0n
I hate you all so much.
Tough **** cause I love you baby.
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Sure. You just keep not thinking about the whole deal, you'll probably do fine. Be very nearly the perfect soldier.
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We're back to where we started - to say a soldier has no feelings about zapping the other lot is, I feel, unfair. But I also know the soldier is planning on walking away from the fight, at the expense of his enemies' lives. Yes, it's him or me and I'll fight tooth and nail to be the one who flies home alive, but don't tell me I don't feel sorry for the poor bastard I just splashed.
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this thread is funny... :yes: :D
Anything is true. Sometimes.
how about the good old "This statement is false?" :D
An obsession for anything at all is bad
except for special functions
I think what he meant was that in a few more years you'll be in a better position to judge such matters. Having said that, he may have just wanted you to shut up *shrugs*
The best thing in this situation on the internet is to claim to be like 60 or something and then tell everyone else to shut up because of their ages. :D
We're back to where we started - to say a soldier has no feelings about zapping the other lot is, I feel, unfair. But I also know the soldier is planning on walking away from the fight, at the expense of his enemies' lives. Yes, it's him or me and I'll fight tooth and nail to be the one who flies home alive, but don't tell me I don't feel sorry for the poor bastard I just splashed.
You are actually probably right here, but even if this "accusation" was true, what in the world is the big deal? It is just a job like any other. :p
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Accusation? Hey, I'm defending my choice of carreer here, I'm not doing any accusing. Go accuse Stryke of accusing people.
Ow, my head
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yeah, I am talking about the other's accusation, but what I am saying is that no defending is necessary in the first place. :D
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Some people are just defensive. When you get reflexive protectiveness like that, it's generally a sign that they subconsciously don't really buy it either, and are trying to convince themselves much as anyone else.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
1. I like aircraft
2. Women like the uniform
3. Making officer is a damn worthwhile goal in life
If one of your top three reasons in getting a profession is "because chicks dig it", then DG, as awkward as it may sound coming from me, I feel really, really sorry for you.
If you're a good enough man, you'll get a respectable job (I'm sorry, I can deal with generals, and very high-ranking officers, whose job is to defend their country, who love to do that, and do that well, but guys who get paid for killing other people, and do it because "chicks dig the uniform", well, yeah:doubt: ), that others respect you and way more importantly, that you yourself respect (and I mean the, damn I'm making a difference respect, not the "chicks dig the uniform respect"), and brings in money enough to get a private jet.
[edit] counting out reason 1 (reason 3 is a damn stupid reason, I'm not going to explain this in detail, as Stryke and Odyssey has done that before), you can get a job that "chicks dig" by becoming an illegal car smuggler. Trust me, half of Estonia does that.
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how about becoming a mathematician? ;7
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Some people are just defensive. When you get reflexive protectiveness like that, it's generally a sign that they subconsciously don't really buy it either, and are trying to convince themselves much as anyone else.
Slick. The way you didn't actually mention my name really cut deep.
Peanuts - why is officering a stupid goal? Do you not think someone who has proven themselves the very best their country has to offer has achieved something to be proud of? Now, no doubt Stryke will laugh at the last sentance but it's true - do you know how many fighter pilots the navy has vs the working population of this country? It's a very very small fraction, and you don't get in it by being anything other than extraordinairy. And do me a favour - review what I've been saying to Stryke about the killing. I'll say it again, I am NOT signing up in the hope that I'll get to cap a few guys with tea-towels on their heads as quickly as possible. By God, is it really so hard to understand? I know that if I make fast jet pilot, then I'll have done my very best and more, and I'll be proud of myself and ****ing rightly so :nod:
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well, you kinda repeatedly mentioned, that you weren't doing it for patriotism, and you neither liked nor queen nor god etc. etc.
and I like my name spelt the right way round.
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Right, and I also mentioned that I WAS doing it mainly cos of the fast jets. And yet you're still asking why I want to sign up to do some huntin' an' killin'.
Amd I mean, the civil pilot's liscence thing? Getting an exec's job and buying your own jet? **** that, I'll take a pilot's wage and a Harrier, thankyouverymuch
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This thread reeks of gay.
DG wants to fly fighters. Great. I would too. So he has the possibility of killing things. Yey. That's what fighter pilots do. It's war, and it's survival. It's what you do. They other guy knows that to. He wants to kill you though. It's like any other competitive atmosphere, just the stakes are a lot higher.
Oddesys or whatever.. :wtf:
Stryke: ;7
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I like how he's assigning statements to me now. Decidedly not slick, but hey.
Though I am slighly amused that you already consider yourself the best your country has to offer. Particularly when you're so willing to toss out any principles you might have on the off-chance that your pickup lines might work a bit better.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
I like how he's assigning statements to me now. Decidedly not slick, but hey.
Though I am slighly amused that you already consider yourself the best your country has to offer. Particularly when you're so willing to toss out any principles you might have on the off-chance that your pickup lines might work a bit better.
If, by principles, you mean clothes then you're damn right and I agree 100%.
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Nah, I tried that before. Gets you a public indecency fine, but no dates oddly enough.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Nah, I tried that before. Gets you a public indecency fine, but no dates oddly enough.
Dates? Who said anything about dates?
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Though I am slighly amused that you already consider yourself the best your country has to offer. Particularly when you're so willing to toss out any principles you might have on the off-chance that your pickup lines might work a bit better.
Right now? I'm not. But the navy says I have to potential to be, and when I get my wings I'll know I am the best.
I'm not tossing out my principles - I'm willing to kill an enemy in the line of duty, never said I wasn't. What I've said over and over is that I wouldn't do it without feeling something - probably not at the time, but like I said when I got back I wouldn't be proud of having killed another person, I wouldn't crow about it. I'd be proud of a sucessful mission, but I wouldn't say 'I went up there to kill a few guys and I'm damn glad I did it'
The pick up lines - that's an added bonus. I've done some market research, and my sources suggest a guy in a pilot's uniform would be fending them off with a stick :nod:
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:lol:
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Oh come on son, you need more than that. Otherwise people will think you've run out of clever arguments :nod:
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Originally posted by Odyssey
Exaggerating to make a point is a really, really poor argument... Especially since it can be so easily reversed.
I wasn't even making an argument, numb-nuts.
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This isn't the presidential debates or anything, dude. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I'm just thoroughly enjoying this.
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I guess I must be the only one who thinks this whole thing got out of hand.
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That's natural for a thread. Get used to it.;)
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Stryke: aight, but unless you actually say something I can work with it'll all be over and you'll have to amuse yourself again :(
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well at least, for the flame war, you two are using complete and actual sentences :D
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DG: I could go on about how shallow that is, never mind commenting on "the Navy tells me" bit, but for now I'm not in a really nasty mood, and hence a bit of civility would probably be nice.
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OK, so I'm gonna be thick here - what the hell are you on about? The navy did a few tests and they reckon I've got the potential to make officer, if I can apply myself properly. I don't see where you're running with this...
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mebbe you should try the smoke that comes off the Raid Mosquito repellant rings that I've been sucking for the last hour.
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Again, I'm not getting it. So you've been sucking mosquito repellant... how does that affect me?
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Paint thinner's better.
Cactus.
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Oh, right. Well, in that case I'll leave you guys to it. Have fun :)
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Paint thinner's better.
Cactus.
!CACTUS!
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¡SI!
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
I wasn't even making an argument, numb-nuts.
Woe the day when defending a decision by making a point will not be regarded as an argument.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
¡SI!
Now you're just being a smartarse. ;)
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¡Aww, el soldado pobre está a punto de luchar el CACTO!
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
¡Aww, el soldado pobre está a punto de luchar el CACTO!
El CACTO fallecerá seguramente contra este ser humano
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Nunca mente, tu.
This is between me, DG, and the CACTUS!
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¡Luchar el CACTO no puede ser así que el malo, el soldado sobrevivirá con solamente los pinchazos de menor importancia!
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Nunca mente, tu.
This is between me, DG, and the CACTUS!
Great, I'm finally learning something and you have to go all selfish on me, well fine. I'm going to take my clothes and go play elsewhere.
:(
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¡Que Lastima por Nosotros todos...!
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¡Usted no puede defecará en EL CACTO!!!
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
¡Usted no puede defecará en EL CACTO!!!
El hombre sabio chino dice a "hombre que defeca en el cacto, tiene arse dolorido"
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No, no, es en el prison.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
No, no, es en el prison.
En la prisión, con un arse dolorido
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Está de hecho tan. Defacating en un cacto sería demasiado doloroso comtemplaba. Es bueno que el CACTO está trabado para arriba. No desearía someter cualquier persona al dolor.
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:lol:
Dammit, he didn't run with it. I woulda loved so much to see DG getting offended at the Cactus, too.:D
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Shame, that.
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what strikes me as odd that all this is almost 'normal' for the forums... and that doesn't strike me as odd the fact that it doesn't, strikes me as odd :p damn, i think i just confused myself:blah:
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ugh..spamtastic...
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To Odyssey:
Then what was I arguing about? I was just stating a fact: that saying: "I'm a fighter pilot" makes a better story than the (albeit exaggerated) "I'm a slob who programs PC games"
EDIT: You know what? Screw it. Just ****ing screw it. I'm tired of arguing today. I do it in RL, and don't need it on the forums. You're right, I'm wrong, whatever you want to think.
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Good grief. One simple little harmless post (unless you are a feminazi with a pickle the size of manhattan up your ass) and it spawns this rolling monstrosity of stupidity? Good grief guys..... Lighten up.
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Yes. Fun, no?
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:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:
8 posts when I go to sleep....
4 pages of of 50 posts of men trying to figure out women and boosting their ego when i wake up. Somehow leading to another senseless topic.
Some posts really cracked me up. Most of you guys need to either shut up or think before you post cause :lol:
*continues laughing at random people in the thread*
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Should try it sometime. It's a lot more fun than it looks. Call it participatory stream of consciousness.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Should try it sometime. It's a lot more fun than it looks. Call it participatory stream of consciousness.
Ok, but personally I prefer to call it naked time. :nervous:
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Originally posted by Tiara
:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:
8 posts when I go to sleep....
4 pages of of 50 posts of men trying to figure out women and boosting their ego when i wake up. Somehow leading to another senseless topic.
Some posts really cracked me up. Most of you guys need to either shut up or think before you post cause :lol:
*continues laughing at random people in the thread*
When you put it that way, I'm not sorry I missed it all... :nervous:
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:blah:
I go away for a little while and look what happens...
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indeed :blah:
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Originally posted by Odyssey
And good for you. Although the inbuilt fascination for guns does not bode well for anyone of any sex...
[Gunnery Sergeant hartman voice]Are you trying to offend me?[/Gunnery Sergeant hartman voice]
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Originally posted by Odyssey
What is the reason you're applying, then? I see no other point to the army...
I like tanks, i enjoyed my experiance in the RAF cadets(similar in terms of drill, treatment to the Army), its the right job for me. Im not joining as infantry, im joining as a Officer in the Armoured Corps, a tank commander.
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Ok....is this thread necessary anymore? I mean, 4 pages of off-topic posts?
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Ok....is this thread necessary anymore? I mean, 4 pages of off-topic posts?
Are you suggesting that this thread was ever really necessary? I just came in to get naked and dance. Then there was that spanish thing, and someone had an argument. I like luncheon meat but thats really not the point becuase the point is, oh wait, nope, gone.
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**** me I never expected this!
note: I assume the language filters are still on so noone get offended if my bad word appears ;)
Oh well. :devil:
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Originally posted by vyper
**** me
American/English choice of words still fascinate me.
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Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
American/English choice of words still fascinate me.
:lol: *points to location* Do I look like either of the above?
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Originally posted by vyper
:lol: *points to location* Do I look like either of the above?
That does not apply here. On this board you type english/american.
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Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
That does not apply here. On this board you type english/american.
There is not such thing as American. Its American English.
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Originally posted by vyper
There is not such thing as American. Its American English.
Don't make me swear in Dutch! :p
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Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
Don't make me swear in Dutch! :p
starting a swear war in other langauges, interesting.
i can learn something here, but not of just Dutch swearing. (look at location)
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I can swear in English, Russian, Estonian, French, Finnish, Latvian and German.:ha:
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(http://www.luhring-design.com/photography/series/shut-up/shut-up-book.jpg)
...what that says :p
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Originally posted by Stunaep
I can swear in English, Russian, Estonian, French, Finnish, Latvian and German.:ha:
Leave out the Estonian, finnish and Latvian and add Maleysian, Spanish, Portugese, Dutch and Italian for me :p
Swear words are the best part of the language!
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[color=66f00]Just don't give any examples. :rolleyes:
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...and the admin speaketh! :D