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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Petrarch of the VBB on April 27, 2003, 06:15:11 am
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Yesterday I thought it would be prudent to update the drivers for my Radeon. With this in mind I downloaded the latest ones from the ATi site. when I used their own installer I kept getting the BSoD. Unphased, I decided to use the update driver doo-hiickey in the windows control panel. This worked fine until it came to restarting windows, when it locked up on the Windows logo!
In the end I had to remove the Radeon and it drivers, and am now struggling aloing with the onboard SiS card. Anyonehelp?
BTW, I'm using Win98SE, and the Radeon is the 9000Pro. I was trying to install Catalyst 3 drivers.
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did you uninstall the previous set first? not doing so can lead to some problems
sounds like you've got the same sort of configuration as me i'm running 3.1 catalyst... except my 98 isn't SE...
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Originally posted by Turnsky
did you uninstall the previous set first? not doing so can lead to some problems
OH!
Bugger!
Someone kick me in the Head!
But surely if I delete the old drivers, I'll have to use 640*480 16 colour to install the new ones?
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yeah that's a ***** i know, last time i reinstalled i did'nt install the cd drivers i went straight to ATI's website (that was a ***** let me tell you)
but otherwise... it won't be a problem for long:nod:
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True, but even with access to all you weapons, I might still be overwhelmed by the power of 78000 clones of Keiron Gillen!
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:wtf:
Petrarch, what are you smoking?
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Well, had I a pipe, it would be tea, but at the moment it is nothing more than the dust that issues forth from my Monitor.:D
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More problems... ugh, my life!
Anyway, AFAIK I know I have removed every trace of an ATi driver from my machine, in an attempt to start afresh with the Radeon again. However, it still freezes on startup when I reach the Windows logo. I can start the machine in safe mode, so I don't think the problems with the card, anyone have a list of files that I should remove to cleanse the stain from ATi from my machine?
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Get XP. That way, there's no BSoD :)
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
More problems... ugh, my life!
Anyway, AFAIK I know I have removed every trace of an ATi driver from my machine, in an attempt to start afresh with the Radeon again. However, it still freezes on startup when I reach the Windows logo. I can start the machine in safe mode, so I don't think the problems with the card, anyone have a list of files that I should remove to cleanse the stain from ATi from my machine?
Go GeForce Go.
:)
Do you NEED the latest drivers? I had this problem when I had a GF2 Mx with the later Detonator drivers, when I got them to install my system was horribly unstable, just rolled back a few versions and voila, problem solved.
It's a simple case of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
Also, you do get the BSoD in XP, but it truly is "of Death". you have to SERIOUSLY **** up to get it.
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I am going to use the drivers that came with the card, but I can't becuase they are on CD and you cant use the CD drive in safe mode!
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what breed of 9000 are you using (mine's a hercules card)?
EDIT: i hate to ask you this, but you did get the 98 Catalyst drivers not the XP didn't you?
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It's a Sapphire 9000Pro, 128meg. And they were the 98 drivers. But that matters not now, as I am trying to use the drivers that came with the card, just to get it going again. But as I say, when I install the card, the machine locks up when I get to the Windows logo on startup. But I can still start in safe mode, so the problem must be with the driver. BUT I think I have removed the driver, unless there are still some remnants of it lurking somewhere...
Also, it makes a terrible whirring noise from the fan, could this be due to a build up off too much dust?
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
..anyone have a list of files that I should remove to cleanse the stain from ATi from my machine?
I guess you didn't find this yet.
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33656771
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YEA! BOOYAH! And other such incoherencies! thank you!:)
Why can no-one else be so helpful?
:D
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Also, it makes a terrible whirring noise from the fan, could this be due to a build up off too much dust?
mine does that sometimes, it goes away after a while... it's probably just the sleave bearing fan over your gpu...
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Yeah it does go away, it just goes on for about 30 seconds when I turn on.
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weeee... tomorrow should be fun :rolleyes:
lemme see things to do:
Reformat and partition HDD,
reinstall all my little proggies/backups/drivers...
mess around with adsl...
download ****e...
d/l catalyst 3.2 drivers now...
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The Plot Thickens.
It turns out that when it locks up on start up, it is only the display that freezes. Windows continues to load, but there is no evidence for this on screen, only the Win98 logo, with the bar at the bottom, static!
I found this out when I left it for a while to see what would happen, and I heard the error-box system sound. i then pressed return (as you do) and heard the windows start sound! (O Fortuna)!
I then proceeded to shut down in the normal fashion.
Anyone have any ideas?
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- Step ONE, boot in save mode (hold SHIFT while booting)
- Step TWO, remove videodrivers & install the standard VGA driver (standard PCI GFX card or something like that)
- step THREE, try to boot into normal mode
- If step THREE works, proceed to install new driver
- If step THREE fails, you're registry is most likely ****ed up, make a backup copy of it, (scanreg /backup) and delete the ENUM key under HK_LOCAL_MACHINE (do this in save mode, beware, this will KILL ALL DRIVERS)
- If this doesn't work, that you really should do a new install
(To install without formatting, rename the windows & program files dirs, and delete or rename win.com)
PS: If you have more questions, PM me, i'll help you if i can
Cheers,
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I have removed every trace of the ATi drivers, and are using the onboard GFX card. I can use the machine perfectly well like this, but all my games run crap.
Are you saying that I am to install the ATi drivers before I physically install the card?
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No, i'm saying you are most likely having problems with your registry, you might want to look at the ENUM section, there are most likely still entries left of the ATI drivers.
If you can boot using the standard PCI gfx driver, that means that windows itself is still in a (by M$'s norms) fixable form.
Also, you might want to check the contents of ntkern.vxd, this is a combined file with all sorts of other vxd's in it, and there might be an older ATI vxd in that.
Cheers,
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But I ahve used regcleaner, andhave removed all references to ATi from the registry. AFAIK.
I'll try what you said, though.
I can't stand this crappy SiS card any longer!
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You do know how to check ntkern.vxd right? :)
Cheers,
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Err, no, actually.
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Check the following links:
MS Knowledge base (the pit of hell) (http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?withinResults=false&QuerySource=gASr_Query&Catalog=LCID%3D1033%26CDID%3DEN-US-KB%26PRODLISTSRC%3DON&Product=w98&Queryc=ntkern.vxd&Query=ntkern.vxd&KeywordType=ANY&maxResults=25&Titles=false&numDays=)
http://tweakhomepc.virtualave.net/upd/vmm32.html (http://tweakhomepc.virtualave.net/upd/vmm32.html)
And finally, http://www.bigedtech.com/articles/100.php (http://www.bigedtech.com/articles/100.php) .
These should get you started (i suggest the last link first actually, the M$ pithole is rubbish :))
Cheers,
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The KB is a fairly extensive resource, it's just the search facility that sucks.
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Fear not, for I have got it working again, thanks to Amon-Re's ENUM suggestion!
Thank You! I can play decent games again!