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Title: Shivans
Post by: tEAbAG on April 27, 2003, 02:58:38 pm
Has any one made little shivans?
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Post by: LAW ENFORCER on April 27, 2003, 03:32:05 pm
:wtf:
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Post by: Solatar on April 27, 2003, 03:58:10 pm
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Originally posted by LAW ENFORCER
:wtf:
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Post by: karajorma on April 27, 2003, 04:05:57 pm
Carl's sex life is a matter for him. Keep your nose out. :D
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Post by: Galemp on April 27, 2003, 04:09:03 pm
He means, little Shivan POFs that can be launched from fighterbays and attack fighters with a special short-range beam cannon.

The answer is no... but it would be awesome. Venom has a hi-poly Shivan model, maybe he can tone it down and turn it into a POF.
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Post by: Amon_Re on April 27, 2003, 04:10:43 pm
speaking of little beings.... i'm currently looking for a pof of a human (in spacesuit, but dead nonetheless, preferably with some bloodstains)..... anyone have one?

Cheers,
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Post by: Hippo on April 27, 2003, 04:31:22 pm
Lucarts wuld probably have yur head, but you could use either the Civ, Imp, or Rebel pilots from XWA...

As for the shivan Idea, it would be good, very good
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Post by: Amon_Re on April 27, 2003, 04:33:39 pm
XWA?

What's that? :)

Cheers,
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Post by: CP5670 on April 27, 2003, 04:34:44 pm
How about a fighter-smashing shiphit2 style Shivan? :D
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Post by: Amon_Re on April 27, 2003, 04:40:32 pm
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Originally posted by CP5670
How about a fighter-smashing shiphit2 style Shivan? :D


A what? :confused:
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Post by: tEAbAG on April 27, 2003, 04:40:43 pm
Exactily CP5670.  Like the one that attacks the Vasudan in one of the extra movies.  Unfortunately I have zero modding skills:(   Does anyone competent want to make this?  (Or already has?)
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Post by: Knight Templar on April 27, 2003, 07:38:17 pm
XWA = Xwing Alliance.

It would be cool to have them as a sort of ejection deal too.
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Post by: Nico on April 28, 2003, 02:06:33 am
I'll make that... some day.
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Post by: Amon_Re on April 28, 2003, 02:28:05 am
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Originally posted by Venom
I'll make that... some day.


Woohooo! ;)
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Post by: Rampage on April 28, 2003, 02:25:52 pm
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Originally posted by Amon_Re
speaking of little beings.... i'm currently looking for a pof of a human (in spacesuit, but dead nonetheless, preferably with some bloodstains)..... anyone have one?

Cheers,


Descent3 has some human models.  See if you can extract them or whatnot.
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Post by: Galemp on April 28, 2003, 07:13:15 pm
If anyone knows how to extract D3 models into 3DS format, let me know. I've got a hankering to compare a Magnum to a Herc...
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Post by: Hippo on April 28, 2003, 08:10:05 pm
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
If anyone knows how to extract D3 models into 3DS format, let me know. I've got a hankering to compare a Magnum to a Herc...


i doubt a Herc can survive 5 blacksharks+gunboys


ooh, carnage... :D
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Post by: Nico on April 29, 2003, 01:51:38 am
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Originally posted by Hippo


i doubt a Herc can survive 5 blacksharks+gunboys


ooh, carnage... :D


blackshark? I dubt a herc SHOULD be able to survive one :p
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Post by: TrashMan on April 29, 2003, 04:54:03 am
I can imagine squads of marines is space suits fliying from the transport to the dock of a ship they're boarding.
Or a fight in-space of shivans and marines......:D

*runs off to make simple human/shivan models*
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Post by: AqueousShadow on April 30, 2003, 12:28:47 am
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Originally posted by Venom


blackshark? I dubt a herc SHOULD be able to survive one :p


:nod: Amen, brother. :lol: I doubt it's even fast enough to get away from the explosion...Speaking of D3, I remember somewhere that someone had successfully gotten a Phoenix into Freespace....oh how I'd love to use a Pheenie in Freespace to shoot down some naughty Shivans ;7 But then there'd be no slide...bleh...
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Post by: Galemp on April 30, 2003, 01:08:27 am
Yes there is, just put it in the tables, and map some keys with FS2_Open. Boosh!

Back on topic... anyone gonna do this? I think Venom's on it, judging from this thread. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,14825.0.html)
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Post by: TrashMan on April 30, 2003, 01:45:48 am
The slide or human/shivan models?
Both is COOL!:yes:
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 02:12:42 am
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Originally posted by AqueousShadow


:nod: Amen, brother. :lol: I doubt it's even fast enough to get away from the explosion...Speaking of D3, I remember somewhere that someone had successfully gotten a Phoenix into Freespace....

yeah, that's me. also gotten the magnum, the GL, the hood, the hawk, etc etc. even made the GX from D1/D2 ( for some reason, I couldn't convert those ).

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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor

Back on topic... anyone gonna do this? I think Venom's on it, judging from this thread.


nah, nothing to do with that, but it can apply too, yeah. but as you've noticed, I'm being blatantly ignored in that thread :doubt:
what about some support, folks?
Oh well, i've nothing to do today, I'll make you a shivan, and dead terran and vasudan pilots, what about that? :)
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Post by: Knight Templar on April 30, 2003, 02:24:51 am
sweeeet :D

One thing: Don't forget how big Shivans are to humans and how big Vasudans are to humans too for that matter :)
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 02:39:01 am
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
sweeeet :D

One thing: Don't forget how big Shivans are to humans and how big Vasudans are to humans too for that matter :)

well I won't convert them, so it's not my pb :)
just making the meshs :D
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Post by: Amon_Re on April 30, 2003, 04:57:27 am
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Originally posted by Venom

....

Oh well, i've nothing to do today, I'll make you a shivan, and dead terran and vasudan pilots, what about that? :)


I could kiss you right now m8 ;) You da man! :D

Cheers,
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 06:27:59 am
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Originally posted by Amon_Re


I could kiss you right now m8 ;) You da man! :D

Cheers,


well, do some chirurgy and we'll talk about it again :D ( jocking ;) ). I promised Sandwhich to make one anyway.
mesh is done and half mapped, took a break, I'm making a ship for woomeister right now.
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 07:32:34 am
hop, I'm done, I think I've broken a new time record :D
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/variouspics/shivan.jpg)
790 polys, 1 1024*1024 map. I still have lot of room on the map, probably add more elements for a dead shivan, etc, all using the same map.

Galactic Emperor, you can add that to your list, mesh and map by venom, conversion by woomeister ( I'm sure he will :D ), for ott.
don't worry, once it's converted, i'll put it available right away anyway, but it'll find a place in ott w/o a doubt :)
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Post by: kasperl on April 30, 2003, 07:38:51 am
nice, but where's the plasma beam?
and the red eyes?
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 07:42:44 am
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Originally posted by kasperl
nice, but where's the plasma beam?
and the red eyes?


isn't the pic big enough? the plasma beam is exactly where it's supposed to be ( I've made it bigger after making that pic tho ), and the red eyes are orange, coz the pics I have from volition have shivan with orange eyes, not red.
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Post by: kasperl on April 30, 2003, 07:49:43 am
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Originally posted by Venom


isn't the pic big enough? the plasma beam is exactly where it's supposed to be ( I've made it bigger after making that pic tho ), and the red eyes are orange, coz the pics I have from volition have shivan with orange eyes, not red.


oh,ok.

i never seen any cutscenes with shivans, just the images on the descentnet website, since my FS is kinda, uhm, you know, like, err,i dopmn't wanna get banned like Stealth. but the real version is on it's way.



request: can youmake am animation of a shivan chewing up a (Free) Terran?
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 07:52:26 am
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Originally posted by kasperl


oh,ok.

i never seen any cutscenes with shivans, just the images on the descentnet website, since my FS is kinda, uhm, you know, like, err,i dopmn't wanna get banned like Stealth. but the real version is on it's way.



request: can youmake am animation of a shivan chewing up a (Free) Terran?


heh? no, I'm not gonna do the shivan skining right now lol, that's a long job, would take me half the afternoon :/
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Post by: kasperl on April 30, 2003, 08:05:22 am
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Originally posted by Venom


heh? no, I'm not gonna do the shivan skining right now lol, that's a long job, would take me half the afternoon :/


too bad, perhaps you can releasethe mesh, so someone else can.
this way, we can make an animated welcome for n00bs.

*thinks*

animation, animation

*thinks*

this might be something for that HLP animation for 3dap, don't you think?
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 08:12:59 am
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Originally posted by kasperl


too bad, perhaps you can releasethe mesh, so someone else can.
this way, we can make an animated welcome for n00bs.

*thinks*

animation, animation

*thinks*

this might be something for that HLP animation for 3dap, don't you think?


the highpoly shivan I've released is probably better for that. pb is I've lost it :p
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Post by: kasperl on April 30, 2003, 08:17:56 am
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Originally posted by Venom


the highpoly shivan I've released is probably better for that. pb is I've lost it :p

im searching, but all i found for now is a fighter and a bunch of red x's :sigh:

edit: it'sconfirmed, all i can find are red x's, i ran a search on high poly shivan in venom's posts, but to no avail.

does anyone have it?
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 08:21:29 am
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Originally posted by kasperl

im searching, but all io found for now is a fighter and a bunch of red x's :sigh:

does anyone have it?


well I had it hosted at HLP, but since the guys at 3dap have found funny to delete my folder for a fake reason, it's lost for me.
well I still have it in a scene, but it's not in basic pause and it's a pain to put back on default.
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Post by: kasperl on April 30, 2003, 08:25:12 am
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Originally posted by Venom


well I had it hosted at HLP, but since the guys at 3dap have found funny to delete my folder for a fake reason, it's lost for me.
well I still have it in a scene, but it's not in basic pause and it's a pain to put back on default.

well, let's hope that someone else has it.
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Post by: Black Wolf on April 30, 2003, 11:11:11 am
Try Vasudan Admiral - We were talking about this just the other day - I think he has the mesh... - I think.
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Post by: Amon_Re on April 30, 2003, 12:11:10 pm
How do you do those models anyway Venom? The only thing i ever managed to model (sofar) was a bucket, and the texturing went out of the window... ;)

BTW, can ships in FS be set to "move"? It would be cool if we could actually animate those shivans ingame :) (or a preset movement pattern would also do)

As for surgery... no thx ;)

Cheers,
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 12:16:50 pm
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Originally posted by Amon_Re
How do you do those models anyway Venom? The only thing i ever managed to model (sofar) was a bucket, and the texturing went out of the window... ;)

BTW, can ships in FS be set to "move"? It would be cool if we could actually animate those shivans ingame :) (or a preset movement pattern would also do)

As for surgery... no thx ;)

Cheers,


how? with my mouse, my keyboard and 3dsmax :D

and nope, sadly, can't animate models in fs2.
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Post by: Amon_Re on April 30, 2003, 12:25:38 pm
Well Duh ;)

I mean, how do you go about it? Do you do it in a 3way view, in the 3D Perspective view, how do you create the objects? With primitives or another way?

Or even better, make a tutorial ;) j/k :)

Cheers
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 12:34:05 pm
for the view, depends, I keep switching between them.
I started the shivan from a box.
I almost always start from a box, in fact.
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Post by: Black Wolf on April 30, 2003, 12:35:14 pm
I'm no expert on in game mechanics, but what about making the shivans top two arms into turrets with firepoints but no assigned weapons? Wouldn't that make them track targets? It might be a little primitive, but they'd move... to a point.
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Post by: StratComm on April 30, 2003, 12:59:24 pm
well, you'd actually need a dummy weapon with no animations and no damage for firing points to be at all useful if memory serves.  Plus there are logistical issues with "moving" the arms, and I'm sure venom has better things to do than that.
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Post by: Tiara on April 30, 2003, 12:59:31 pm
Make the Shivans flyable ;)
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Post by: Amon_Re on April 30, 2003, 01:01:49 pm
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Originally posted by Venom
for the view, depends, I keep switching between them.
I started the shivan from a box.
I almost always start from a box, in fact.


Do you edit it with boolean operations? Or just deform it untill it looks like what you want?

Cheers,
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 01:14:45 pm
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Originally posted by Amon_Re


Do you edit it with boolean operations? Or just deform it untill it looks like what you want?

Cheers,


no, I don't often use boolean unless it really makes things simpler. I extrude, bevel, weld vertices, turn edges, cut polys, etc etc.
I already thought about that turret thing for the arms, but there's a couple issues:
1) the basic position of a turret, tsupidly enough, is "pointing up". so if I let the arms in that position, when it targets something, the arms will go down ( depressed shivan :p ). if I place the arms up at the begining, the shivan will look stupid ( cheerful shivan :p )
2) they will rotate in every direction, imagine if the ship the shivan targets goes behing it ( broken shivan ).

btw, for that "weaponless turret" thinguy, a thing i've done quite some time ago, and that I  should share with you ( doesn't have much link with what's said above, but the idea is the same ):
it was for my Descent campaign, I wanted the lifter ( you know, the green bot with claws ) to scream, like in descent. how to make that? with an engine sound, it would just loop stupidly.
so I gave the thing a weapon that does not damage, no visual effects, nothing, and gave the lifter scream sound as the weapon launching sound. it worked great :)
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Post by: Goober5000 on April 30, 2003, 01:18:54 pm
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Originally posted by Venom
hop, I'm done, I think I've broken a new time record :D
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/variouspics/shivan.jpg)
790 polys, 1 1024*1024 map. I still have lot of room on the map, probably add more elements for a dead shivan, etc, all using the same map.

Galactic Emperor, you can add that to your list, mesh and map by venom, conversion by woomeister ( I'm sure he will :D ), for ott.
don't worry, once it's converted, i'll put it available right away anyway, but it'll find a place in ott w/o a doubt :)


Wow, this is awesome!  How soon can we expect to download a POF? :)
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 01:42:30 pm
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Originally posted by Goober5000


Wow, this is awesome!  How soon can we expect to download a POF? :)


her... reply to my two threads in the SCP forum, even if it's to tell me to get lost, and we'll see ;)
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Post by: Goober5000 on April 30, 2003, 01:50:46 pm
Done. :D
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Post by: Nico on April 30, 2003, 01:52:57 pm
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Done. :D

nah, you forgot one :D
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Post by: Stunaep on April 30, 2003, 04:22:16 pm
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Originally posted by Goober5000


Wow, this is awesome!  How soon can we expect to download a POF? :)

You know, added some additional polys this would make an exceptional FPS enemy.
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Post by: Sandwich on May 01, 2003, 02:24:55 am
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Originally posted by Stunaep

You know, added some additional polys this would make an exceptional FPS enemy.


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Originally posted by Venom
I promised Sandwhich to make one anyway....


;7 ;7 ;7

Serious Shivan, anyone? :D
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Post by: tEAbAG on May 01, 2003, 01:49:59 pm
Wasn't there an attempt (or two) to make a freespace FPS?
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Post by: kasperl on May 01, 2003, 01:54:03 pm
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Wasn't there an attempt (or two) to make a freespace FPS?

yeah, that's right, this also remembers me of the Fenris internal deck layout thread from Sandwich, we should finish that, now shouldn't we, my dear edible fellow?

BTW, i'm kinda hungry :drevil:
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Post by: Goober5000 on May 01, 2003, 02:59:32 pm
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Originally posted by Venom
nah, you forgot one :D


And done. :D
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Post by: Sandwich on May 04, 2003, 12:43:39 pm
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Originally posted by kasperl

yeah, that's right, this also remembers me of the Fenris internal deck layout thread from Sandwich, we should finish that, now shouldn't we, my dear edible fellow?

BTW, i'm kinda hungry :drevil:


Wow - just got back from a weekend camping/hiking trip up north. Pooped as all heck - darn hurricane winds the first night and mosquitoes the second. :p

Ahh, yes, the Fenris. As I see things, I have a more set schedule nowadays, with an actual job I got out of the house for. This means that my time at home is just that - mine. :D I have a number of HLP/FS related projects that I'd like to complete, and the current one is the reworking of the GVCa Amaunet. After (or during) that, probably a little something with Darkage, followed by finishing that asteroid base. Then perhaps reviving the FS -> Serious Sam project both here and on the Seriously forums, which would have the Fenris deck layout as part of the project. :D

Phew!
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Post by: tEAbAG on May 04, 2003, 01:00:37 pm
Vat iz thes?

Is there any complete media?
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Post by: Sandwich on May 04, 2003, 01:10:52 pm
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Originally posted by tEAbAG
Vat iz thes?

Is there any complete media?


Vhat are you talking about?
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Post by: tEAbAG on May 04, 2003, 01:15:01 pm
Ship layouts, models, art, etc. for the FSfps.
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Post by: Sandwich on May 04, 2003, 02:05:20 pm
Ahh... not sure. The first MOD was supposed to be an RF one.