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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on April 30, 2003, 03:17:57 pm
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Not saying you'll get one, but I'm curious. ;)
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Why make a separate subforum?
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No.
Edit: Are you feeling ok Sandwich? ;)
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No.
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Well, the admins are in agreement :p
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If properly moderated, but it goes against GS, our site... pretty much everything but the fact we're a community.
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If you do make one, it will end up as a sort of "The Pit®"...
If you moderate it well enough, it could turn out to be a good thing.
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[color=66ff00]The forum you're actually looking for is Holy Light Productions. I don't know the URL.[/color]
Originally posted by Tiara
:p
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Make it a Debate forum as a sort of outlet for people. It lessens the clutter in the main forum as well. All sorts of stuff can end up there like politics, religion, science. then you can keep the main board purely gaming/computer related.
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Versus debates, eh?
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No not versus (although that'd be FUN) just general debates as in the religion thread and war thread.
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no. I think those threads should be banned from HLP actually ( a gaming website if I'm not mistaken ).
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That's why I said 'no' to the concept. I am fully aware it's a gaming site. Having a religion subforum is just silly and doesn't fit at all.
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no.
*goes back to playing strip poker with 3 16-year-old girlies*
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People are going to talk about it one way or another. Unless you want to punish those who do (which seems quite dictatorish) I think it "can" be done. Though its not very... well whatever... I frankly don't care :p
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Who's being punished? Did I mention anything about punishing people?
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Originally posted by Tiara
People are going to talk about it one way or another. Unless you want to punish those who do (which seems quite dictatorish)
RIIIIGHT
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Originally posted by Shrike
Who's being punished? Did I mention anything about punishing people?
oooooooooooh yeeeees, punish ussssss! yeeeees!!!!!!
somehow that really doesn't sound right when I write that :doubt:
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Originally posted by Shrike
Who's being punished? Did I mention anything about punishing people?
:blah:
I quote: "UNLESS"
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Originally posted by Venom
oooooooooooh yeeeees, punish ussssss! yeeeees!!!!!!
somehow that really doesn't sound right when I write that :doubt:
It could be worse. You could be attracted to spanking small wuddly lesbian poodles, like me.
I did not say that.
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don't care. :D
There aren't really enough topics on that to warrant a whole forum though; just one every few months, for which I think this forum should work fine.
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Originally posted by CP5670
don't care. :D
I can't really say this comes as a relief.:doubt:
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well if I have time, I will drop a couple of essays into one of those topics for fun, but making a new forum for that isn't going to really make any difference...
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It'll end up having a couple of thousand posts, and then being locked as the Iraq thread. Which is the only way fo rthese threads/forums to go
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The arguing provides some enjoyment at any rate; that's all I care about as far as those threads go. :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
don't care. :D
There aren't really enough topics on that to warrant a whole forum though; just one every few months, for which I think this forum should work fine.
What he said. :yes:
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It'd give Stryke something to do, at least
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I say no.
If I wanted to hear a bunch of regurgitated arguements about whats right and wrong and where babies/the universe really come from, I'd pay attention in chuch.
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you mean you actually go to church? :wtf:
that was unexpected
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You're not assuming I wanted to in the first place, are you?
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and I thought that church thing was only in Simpsons...
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Originally posted by Stunaep
no.
*goes back to playing strip poker with 3 16-year-old girlies*
You pimp you.
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Even Bart has to hear each sunday morning about how he's going to hell. Thing most people don't realise is that they're already there :doubt:
Originally posted by 01010
You pimp you.
Who said he was winning?
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No, not really
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no
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errr....no.
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yes
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Vote Green!
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No, more people would see debates here anyway.
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yes, i think it would be a great idea, i'm just not sure wheter or not the admins are up to the immens worklaod of moderating it. if there would be some extra moderators just for that forum it MIGHT work.
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Kalfireth:
since most people seem to be opposed to a seperate forum, maybe just a special tag that can be attached to threads in the HLP general forum to indicate "politics/religion". That way, only people who want to participate in the debates can join in.
edit: on the topic of moderation. The very idea of a politics discussion can get messy for moderation. I think that minimal moderation should be used, since it is by definition a sensitive topic (eg 1)no personal attack 2)constructed arguements only etc etc)
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It is a good idea, but not for here, as it is a gaming forum. And also, my opinions would likely get me banned, so we can't have it.
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A tag? What, people can't read titles? If they see one post referring to any sort of world even they'll catch fire? Oh, horror, horror, politics thread.
Politics itself isn't the problem anyway. If someone wants to pick a fight in any subject, they can and will. We've had software threads that ended up much more a brawl than any politics thread.
However, I wouldn't object to a requirement for people to be able to provide some support for things they say, or at least be marginally informed before they express an opinion. Most really regular political posters scanning the headlines would do wonders as far as stopping the whole circular argument thing, since it generally only becomes "circular" when someone reaches the limits of their knowledge and resorts to a glorified form of "No it's not!". To which the only proper answer is "Yes, it is", followed by hypothesizing on their ancestry or sexual deviances.
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Thought --> Most every forum I've ever seen has a subforum labeled "general - rant and rave all you like"
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This one has one titled "Hard Light".
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Why hard?
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Originally posted by Slasher
Why hard?
Because these forums are powered by vBulletin.
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and soft light is a type of bulb IIRC
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Hard light and soft light are both types of lighting (for an example, sunlight on a foggy morning or dusk is soft while summer midday sun is hard), but I suspect this place was named after the hard light reference in Red Dwarf. :)
Well, there goes that idea ;)
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Light that is transmitted directly from a small point source results in coherent rays. This gives the light a hard, crisp, sharply defined appearance. Soft (diffused) light has the opposite effect.
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Stryke 9:
VOTE GREEN!
Right on! :yes:
Petrarch of the VBB:
It is a good idea, but not for here, as it is a gaming forum. And also, my opinions would likely get me banned, so we can't have it.
Same here! :nod:
I don't think that a separate forum for this is justified, or even sensible. It will turn into an argument forum, and we might end up with a membership segregated by their political/religious/moral views. There are other forums out there for this stuff. The occasional topic in Hard Light is enough for us, I think. :)
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
Same here! :nod:
Anarchist, eh?
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Actually, Anarchists where black if I recall. Peasants (and now environmentalists) are green.
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Anarchists wear whatever they want! they don't conform to your oppressive dress-code!:D
But yeah, the Anarchist flags and such tend to be black and red.
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There's no such thing as an "anarchist flag". The anarchist flag is a gun. The anarchist flag is a tree. The anarchist flag is any piece of cloth you wanna put on a stick.
Never mind that, despite the lack of need for flags (though they're generally cohesive groups), "anarchist" is not a proper group. There are tons of different varieties. It's basically just a label for anyone who still moons cops, sets fire to cars, and throws garbage. In short, a real activist, not one of those picket-circling pantywaists.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
This one has one titled "Hard Light".
But it doesn't say 'rant and rave all you like', and it never did (even before Shrike got bored). Ranting and raving in Hard Light tends to make the admins cross. What I said was that most every forum I've seen has a subforum speciafically for ranting, the point being that HLP does not. Thus, the ranting ends up allover the place, leading the admins to make this thread.
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[takes a quick look at the topics up one level]
Are we talking about the same forum here?
Outright spamming isn't allowed in excess, flamewars are (sadly) cracked down on a bit, and when a thread starts to curdle it often gets thrown out. But so? I think some political threads shouldn't be closed as soon as they are, but most do tend to peter out.
If the admins just ignored certain "political" threads, and let them run their natural course, I think that would be plenty. Not even all of them, just certain ones. A whole forum is completely unnecessary, and would probably end up killing political discussion here altogether. Which is a bit of a mixed bag, but hey.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
A whole forum is completely unnecessary, and would probably end up killing political discussion here altogether.
Explain
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the big ass Iraq thread was long and circular but if I wanted to discus something even remotly related to the subject I wouldn't have to make a new topic, it kept it all contained
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DG: Because if people have to go to a separate forum to access the one or two politics thread that are made a month, they're just plain not going to. Hell, I wouldn't bother, and I shuttle between the forums like anything. Never mind that half of the politics threads don't start out as political argument threads, they're generally just updates on some news trivia or, in particularly strained times, anything with mildly pro/anti-US undertones, real or imagined. And, of course, those politics thread that just make themselves would stop happening altogether, since with a dedicated politics forum the admins would undoubetdly feel obligated to lay the smack down on political arguments in here more.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
the big ass Iraq thread was long and circular but if I wanted to discus something even remotly related to the subject I wouldn't have to make a new topic, it kept it all contained
The only issue I had with that was that because it was all in one thread, it was difficult to keep track of the several lines of conversation. It was pretty big.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
There's no such thing as an "anarchist flag". The anarchist flag is a gun. The anarchist flag is a tree. The anarchist flag is any piece of cloth you wanna put on a stick.
But the Anarcho-Syndicalist flag is red and black, split diagonally.
You are right, there can be no organizations of anarchists, as it is a contradiction, which is why, despite pressure, i will not join the Anarchist federation. I still behave quite violently and in a foul-mouthed manner at any protests that I attend, though.
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Stryke: killing politcal discussion at HLP wouldn't be a bad thing
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Petrarch: Well, that's not necessarily true. First off, that's rather a lot like saying proper Marxists shouldn't make any money. There's advocating the system, and living the system, and the latter, while preferable, isn't always possible in our current framework. Second, only the most hardcore anarchists (the really nutty ones, generally, who go out and form militias and ****) are actually against all forms of organization altogether. The vast majority of anarchists I've met, including the so-called "anarcho-syndicalists" (no proper revolutionary would ever use such a lame-ass overly technical name, and indeed damn few do outside of pretentious college students who talk the talk while working on their degree so they can earn six figures in two years), believe more in an automatic unity of man, and that systems and organization are acceptable provided they are not forced upon the people, and are composed exclusively of the people. Though not always in so many words.
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I vote NO. I remember UGC (United Gamers Coalition) tried to experiment with a religion debate forum on our website last year: it was an unmitigated disater. The way politics are nowadays, with liberals and conservatives at each others throats, the "debates" would inevitably devolve into shouting matches. Our religious debate forum lasted less than two weeks. It nearly tore UGC apart with all the arguments and hurt feelings it generated.
Trust me, it will become inevitable that some conservative poster here will mortally insult a liberal by either calling her a "traitor" for disagreeing with Bush's policies or will accuse him of "going to hell" for not following the Bible or somesuch. Once that happens, the flame wars will risk burning HLP to the ground, just like it almost did to UGC.
I have enough problems at home with the Bar exam and law school with arguments and debates; I have no desire to see the same thing here.
I come to HLP to chat with my buddies and my DatDB staff peeps so I can relax.
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
I vote NO. I remember UGC (United Gamers Coalition) tried to experiment with a religion debate forum on our website last year: it was an unmitigated disater. The way politics are nowadays, with liberals and conservatives at each others throats, the "debates" would inevitably devolve into shouting matches. Our religious debate forum lasted less than two weeks. It nearly tore UGC apart with all the arguments and hurt feelings it generated.
Trust me, it will become inevitable that some conservative poster here will mortally insult a liberal by either calling her a "traitor" for disagreeing with Bush's policies or will accuse him of "going to hell" for not following the Bible or somesuch. Once that happens, the flame wars will risk burning HLP to the ground, just like it almost did to UGC.
I have enough problems at home with the Bar exam and law school with arguments and debates; I have no desire to see the same thing here.
I come to HLP to chat with my buddies and my DatDB staff peeps so I can relax.
I didn't even think of that... that's the benefit of experience, I guess. :yes:
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Yeah, that's another thing to point out.
It's really easy to hold a grudge over someone that you don't even personally know over an arguement or insults in a debate forum, and it would eventually spill over into other forums/projects/relationships.